My Crossroads Moment Review

[Journey/Survivor]

With respect to this "review" thread

What's with the quotes Marcel Jordan?

1) Is your implication that the review was too positive?

and if so,

2) Will the anti-Peterik/Jamison crowd ever come right out and voice a complaint or is it easier to continue the passive/agressive campaign of innuendos, mock references to "legendary" status and damning with faint praise?

In all honesty, I don't think that MarcelJordan was trying to insult Peterik or Jamison in any way. In fact he did say that he likes the album quite a bit. Hell, I said the album would have been even better yet if Sullivan and Droubay were on it too, and I'm as big of a Jamison and Peterik fan as you'll find.

[MarcelJordan]

With respect to this "review" thread

What's with the quotes Marcel Jordan?

1) Is your implication that the review was too positive?

and if so,

2) Will the anti-Peterik/Jamison crowd ever come right out and voice a complaint or is it easier to continue the passive/agressive campaign of innuendos, mock references to "legendary" status and damning with faint praise?

With regards to your first point. No. Infact I think the review (happy now? ) is spot on! The album is REALLY THAT GOOD. Also my quote was meant to highlight that the thread was deviating a bit, and lets concentrate more REVIEW than questioning how one feels or assumes about someone who comments on this thread. Hope its clear now.

[Red13JoePa]

Ah, as usual I guess I read the tealeaves wrong.

Thatnks for straightening it out.

[Joe Vana]

Am I reading JV's last post wrong or does he seem not to like Jim Peterik?

Im the last to be a police here, but these kind of things should be put in private,imo. The private msgs tool works quite well.

With respect to this "review" thread, I think the lyrics in CR album are the strongest since Burning Heart.

Just stating that Jamo is a vocal legend, JP is not.....as far as songwriting the opposite is true.....

No knock on anybody.....JV

[TageRyche]

Just stating that Jamo is a vocal legend, JP is not.....as far as songwriting the opposite is true.....

No knock on anybody.....JV

JV,

Thanks for clearing up my confusion.

[Eyeof]

JV...are you kidding? JJ not a song writing legend!!! Didn't you ever hear Johney's Got a Shotgun...

pure legend man!

[Red13JoePa]

Well, I will agree that as a writer, er, Jimi Jamison's one hell of a vocalist.

ALTHOUGH, there is that one claim of his that he should've gotten a cowrite credit on Burning Heart.

Never heard Sullivan and Peterik weigh in on that, that song just seems like more of the oft-demonstrated Sullivan/Peterik magic.

[Slander]

Well, I will agree that as a writer, er, Jimi Jamison's one hell of a vocalist.

ALTHOUGH, there is that one claim of his that he should've gotten a cowrite credit on Burning Heart.

Never heard Sullivan and Peterik weigh in on that, that song just seems like more of the oft-demonstrated Sullivan/Peterik magic.

JP never mentions JJ during his story on how Burning Heart came to be. I believe you can read the story on jimpeterik.com

[Tito]

Well, I will agree that as a writer, er, Jimi Jamison's one hell of a vocalist.

ALTHOUGH, there is that one claim of his that he should've gotten a cowrite credit on Burning Heart.

Never heard Sullivan and Peterik weigh in on that, that song just seems like more of the oft-demonstrated Sullivan/Peterik magic.

Is that what may have been missing from taking Survivor to the next level? A third writer, preferably the singer. Journey had three writers: Perry, Cain, and Schon.

[Red13JoePa]

Well, I will agree that as a writer, er, Jimi Jamison's one hell of a vocalist.

ALTHOUGH, there is that one claim of his that he should've gotten a cowrite credit on Burning Heart.

Never heard Sullivan and Peterik weigh in on that, that song just seems like more of the oft-demonstrated Sullivan/Peterik magic.

Is that what may have been missing from taking Survivor to the next level? A third writer, preferably the singer. Journey had three writers: Perry, Cain, and Schon.

Don't kid yourself.
The magic comes from Schon/Cain there.

Look no further than the sheer number of ghost writers deployed on Street Talk and FTLOSM.

Everybody but you me and Saint John wrote those songs.

[weatherman90]

Well, I will agree that as a writer, er, Jimi Jamison's one hell of a vocalist.

ALTHOUGH, there is that one claim of his that he should've gotten a cowrite credit on Burning Heart.

Never heard Sullivan and Peterik weigh in on that, that song just seems like more of the oft-demonstrated Sullivan/Peterik magic.

Is that what may have been missing from taking Survivor to the next level? A third writer, preferably the singer. Journey had three writers: Perry, Cain, and Schon.

Don't kid yourself.
The magic comes from Schon/Cain there.

Look no further than the sheer number of ghost writers deployed on Street Talk and FTLOSM.

Everybody but you me and Saint John wrote those songs.

It seems to me that Perry and Jamison had similar levels of involvement in the writing process. A few songs here and there, with the majority being penned by the main songwriting duo.

[Tito]

Well, I will agree that as a writer, er, Jimi Jamison's one hell of a vocalist.

ALTHOUGH, there is that one claim of his that he should've gotten a cowrite credit on Burning Heart.

Never heard Sullivan and Peterik weigh in on that, that song just seems like more of the oft-demonstrated Sullivan/Peterik magic.

Is that what may have been missing from taking Survivor to the next level? A third writer, preferably the singer. Journey had three writers: Perry, Cain, and Schon.

Don't kid yourself.
The magic comes from Schon/Cain there.

Look no further than the sheer number of ghost writers deployed on Street Talk and FTLOSM.

Everybody but you me and Saint John wrote those songs.

Agreed Schon and Cain are the heart and soul of the band. Perry contributed just enough. The songs he predomiately wrote were brutal.

[kgdjpubs]

Well, I will agree that as a writer, er, Jimi Jamison's one hell of a vocalist.

ALTHOUGH, there is that one claim of his that he should've gotten a cowrite credit on Burning Heart.

Never heard Sullivan and Peterik weigh in on that, that song just seems like more of the oft-demonstrated Sullivan/Peterik magic.

Is that what may have been missing from taking Survivor to the next level? A third writer, preferably the singer. Journey had three writers: Perry, Cain, and Schon.

You can have the best songwriting team in the world, and without the correct management and promotion, it won't get you anywhere. THAT was the major problem that Survivor had.

[Journey/Survivor]

Well, I will agree that as a writer, er, Jimi Jamison's one hell of a vocalist.

ALTHOUGH, there is that one claim of his that he should've gotten a cowrite credit on Burning Heart.

Never heard Sullivan and Peterik weigh in on that, that song just seems like more of the oft-demonstrated Sullivan/Peterik magic.

I think that Jimi is a good songwriter, but in moderation. He doesn't seem to do much songwriting compared to guys like Peterik and Cain, and it seems like he feels that he needs a co-writer, seeing as I've never seen a writing credit for him alone. But without question, Jimi's major talent is his singing.

[Journey/Survivor]

Well, I will agree that as a writer, er, Jimi Jamison's one hell of a vocalist.

ALTHOUGH, there is that one claim of his that he should've gotten a cowrite credit on Burning Heart.

Never heard Sullivan and Peterik weigh in on that, that song just seems like more of the oft-demonstrated Sullivan/Peterik magic.

Is that what may have been missing from taking Survivor to the next level? A third writer, preferably the singer. Journey had three writers: Perry, Cain, and Schon.

Don't kid yourself.
The magic comes from Schon/Cain there.

Look no further than the sheer number of ghost writers deployed on Street Talk and FTLOSM.

Everybody but you me and Saint John wrote those songs.

Yeah, I remember when Perry called me up and begged me to write some songs for him. He told me that at that moment Carrot Top was in the middle of writing one of the songs for Street Talk, and that after I finished writing my song for Street Talk, that William Shatner was going to get to work on the next song.

[Jeremy Holiday]

You can have the best songwriting team in the world, and without the correct management and promotion, it won't get you anywhere. THAT was the major problem that Survivor had.

[Jeremy Holiday]

I think that Jimi is a good songwriter, but in moderation. He doesn't seem to do much songwriting compared to guys like Peterik and Cain, and it seems like he feels that he needs a co-writer, seeing as I've never seen a writing credit for him alone. But without question, Jimi's major talent is his singing.

I don't think Jimi has as much confidence in his songwriting (or co-writing) abilities as he should. Even though he's not that prolific, he's been involved in some killer tunes -- "Too Hot To Sleep," "Rock Hard," "Cry Alone," "It's Only Love," "Give Me The Word," just for starters. I tried to encourage him on Crossroads Moment and in fact, my second favorite song recorded for the album was a Jamison co-write (which ended up not making the album). There's a certain vibe he brings to his co-writes which differentiates them from exclusively Peterik-penned or Peterik/Sullivan material.

[Journey/Survivor]

You can have the best songwriting team in the world, and without the correct management and promotion, it won't get you anywhere. THAT was the major problem that Survivor had.

Being on a label that was frequently feuding with its distributor didn't help Survivor's cause. This is what sunk any real promotion for Caught In the Game and Too Hot To Sleep.

Yeah, Scotti Brothers didn't do very much promotion for the band. I've always felt that with the right label, promotion and management that Survivor could have been just as big as Journey.

I think that after the success that EOTT had, that Scotti Brothers thought that they didn't need to do very much promotion for the CITG album, and as a result it didn't sell nearly as well as it should have.

I also thought that the THTS album was going to be a huge commercial hit, but then with such a lack of promotion the album faded away without much notice from people who weren't already huge fans of the band.

[Journey/Survivor]

I think that Jimi is a good songwriter, but in moderation. He doesn't seem to do much songwriting compared to guys like Peterik and Cain, and it seems like he feels that he needs a co-writer, seeing as I've never seen a writing credit for him alone. But without question, Jimi's major talent is his singing.

I don't think Jimi has as much confidence in his songwriting (or co-writing) abilities as he should. Even though he's not that prolific, he's been involved in some killer tunes -- "Too Hot To Sleep," "Rock Hard," "Cry Alone," "It's Only Love," "Give Me The Word," just for starters. I tried to encourage him on Crossroads Moment and in fact, my second favorite song recorded for the album was a Jamison co-write (which ended up not making the album). There's a certain vibe he brings to his co-writes which differentiates them from exclusively Peterik-penned or Peterik/Sullivan material.

Yeah, Jimi's credited as a co-writer on a lot of really great songs. He just doesn't pump them out in really large numbers. But I've always liked the songs that he's co-written.

[slysystem]

Hi, i'm a french survivor fan since the rocky tracks...

I love the new JJ cd...it sounds a lot better than Reach !

Despite Fire Makes steel and Gimme the love...Reach was a let down to me.

Crosswinds is really good...not perfect but really good...It reminds me the first Survivor albums and that says a lot...

The Trac N° 1 and 3 and also behind the music are epic as was the first Tracks of survivor...

Jimi Jamison is the Man...

Thanks to him !

[Journey/Survivor]

Hi, i'm a french survivor fan since the rocky tracks...

I love the new JJ cd...it sounds a lot better than Reach !

Despite Fire Makes steel and Gimme the love...Reach was a let down to me.

Crosswinds is really good...not perfect but really good...It reminds me the first Survivor albums and that says a lot...

The Trac N° 1 and 3 and also behind the music are epic as was the first Tracks of survivor...

Jimi Jamison is the Man...

Thanks to him !

Yeah, Fire Makes Steel & Give Me The Word are my two favorite songs off the album, and I also love Reach & Talkin About Love. But I don't think the rest of the album was quite up to the normal high standard of Survivor albums.

[squirt1]

Although Frankie won the legal use of the name Survivor he is running that into the ground. Meanwhile Jim & JImi will SURVIVE he he he ! Frankie is NOT of the caliber of Eddie Van Halen, Neal Schon , Brian May, Ritchie Sambora or Joe Perry. He is small status along with Foreigner,Styx, & Journey is a real shame. They have written slop since Perry isn't there to keep Cain from too much mush.