OT- NFL WEEK 11

[Saint John]

I see them yank starters in the late season and the backups will lose one of the later games. (Pit, Indy)

You're out of your freakin' mind if you seriously believe that the Titans are going to start pulling starters if they are still undefeated. I don't care if they have home field wrapped up right through the AFC Championship game. They aren't benching ANYONE, if they're undefeated! WILL NOT HAPPEN!


John from Boston

Eh, we'll see. Depends on the situation at that given time. When things are wrapped up, head coaches have been leaning towards resting their best players for the playoffs in fear of injury.. and with an old school Coach like Jeff Fischer, I can def. see him sitting some starters. Not all, but some.

On the flip side, the bye week that comes along with being the number one seed has been known to make teams a bit rusty and some coaches have actually been playing their starters for about 3 full quarters during the 16th game. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out if they get that far undefeated. I would certainly rest banged up players, but don't see any real reason to bench healthy starters for any more than the final quater.

[Enigma869]

Eh, we'll see. Depends on the situation at that given time. When things are wrapped up, head coaches have been leaning towards resting their best players for the playoffs in fear of injury.. and with an old school Coach like Jeff Fischer, I can def. see him sitting some starters. Not all, but some.

Dude...I've been watching football longer than you've been alive, and I'm telling you that there is NO coach who has EVER benched their players with a shot to go undefeated. I remember the Colts team who was 13-0, and all of their starters played the entire game (meaning the first game) that they lost. Dungy didn't rest anyone, until they actually lost their first game. Only then did Dungy decide to "rest his players", which cost him in the playoffs. Resting NFL players is fucking stupid and NEVER EVER works! Fisher began his coaching career with the 1985 Bears (after retiring as a player from the Bears in 1984). That team only lost one game (late in the season to Miami), so he appreciates how impossible it is to go 16-0. There is no way that Fisher or any other NFL coach is going to pass up a chance at NFL immortality! It simply isn't happening!


John from Boston

[YoungJRNY]

Eh, we'll see. Depends on the situation at that given time. When things are wrapped up, head coaches have been leaning towards resting their best players for the playoffs in fear of injury.. and with an old school Coach like Jeff Fischer, I can def. see him sitting some starters. Not all, but some.

Dude...I've been watching football longer than you've been alive, and I'm telling you that there is NO coach who has EVER benched their players with a shot to go undefeated. I remember the Colts team who was 13-0, and all of their starters played the entire game (meaning the first game) that they lost. Dungy didn't rest anyone, until they actually lost their first game. Only then did Dungy decide to "rest his players", which cost him in the playoffs. Resting NFL players is fucking stupid and NEVER EVER works! Fisher began his coaching career with the 1985 Bears (after retiring as a player from the Bears in 1984). That team only lost one game (late in the season to Miami), so he appreciates how impossible it is to go 16-0. There is no way that Fisher or any other NFL coach is going to pass up a chance at NFL immortality! It simply isn't happening!


John from Boston

Ok man, calm down. I agree that no starters should sit at any time during the season no matter what their record is. Its a double sided coin when dealing with it. Last time I remembered, 16-0 doesn't earn you a Super Bowl Title and in the end that's all that matters. 16 games is a long, brutal stretch and the game takes its toll on players, esp veterans and when games become meaningless towards the end of the year coaches tend to sit some guys. It all depends on preference of coaching. The other side of that coin is the rust going into the playoffs. If I know some key players needed rest one week to perform better when it's back to 0-0 then hot damn am I giving them that chance. Nothing is guaranteed but sitting players isn't all that wrong late in the season (and when I mean late I mean last 2 weeks, TOPS), even though I believe they should at least play for reps to stay fresh and sharp, then get pulled after a significant mount of time.

[Enigma869]

Ok man, calm down. I agree that no starters should sit at any time during the season no matter what their record is. Its a double sided coin when dealing with it. Last time I remembered, 16-0 doesn't earn you a Super Bowl Title and in the end that's all that matters. 16 games is a long, brutal stretch and the game takes its toll on players, esp veterans and when games become meaningless towards the end of the year coaches tend to sit some guys. It all depends on preference of coaching. The other side of that coin is the rust going into the playoffs. If I know some key players needed rest one week to perform better when it's back to 0-0 then hot damn am I giving them that chance. Nothing is guaranteed but sitting players isn't all that wrong late in the season (and when I mean late I mean last 2 weeks, TOPS), even though I believe they should at least play for reps to stay fresh and sharp, then get pulled after a significant mount of time.

We're talking about two different issues. I agree with you that it is not unusual (even though I personally think it's idiotic) for a coach to rest some key players if their playoff position is all wrapped up. The point I was making was specifically with the Titans when you suggested Fisher might rest guys, even if they were undefeated. That simply is not happening, by any coach. You are absolutely correct that going 16-0 guarantees you absolutely nothing, as the Patriots proved last season. It doesn't change the fact that most coaches are well aware of the history of the game and will NEVER pass up a chance to make history (and their players would never allow their coach to pass up a chance to make history)! Parcells always had the best line when asked if he was going to rest players. His response was always "Football players play". That about sums it up. I agree with SJ that it only makes sense to rest guys who are nursing injuries or might be banged up. As someone who grew up playing football, I personally believe that resting does more harm than good. Football is only played once a week, so taking time off can really negatively affect your timing. It's far more important to keep yourself sharp (assuming you're healthy) than it is to get rest. Belichick has never once rested Brady, even when they had their playoff position wrapped up, and I believe that is the right approach to take.


John from Boston

[YoungJRNY]

Ok man, calm down. I agree that no starters should sit at any time during the season no matter what their record is. Its a double sided coin when dealing with it. Last time I remembered, 16-0 doesn't earn you a Super Bowl Title and in the end that's all that matters. 16 games is a long, brutal stretch and the game takes its toll on players, esp veterans and when games become meaningless towards the end of the year coaches tend to sit some guys. It all depends on preference of coaching. The other side of that coin is the rust going into the playoffs. If I know some key players needed rest one week to perform better when it's back to 0-0 then hot damn am I giving them that chance. Nothing is guaranteed but sitting players isn't all that wrong late in the season (and when I mean late I mean last 2 weeks, TOPS), even though I believe they should at least play for reps to stay fresh and sharp, then get pulled after a significant mount of time.

We're talking about two different issues. I agree with you that it is not unusual (even though I personally think it's idiotic) for a coach to rest some key players if their playoff position is all wrapped up. The point I was making was specifically with the Titans when you suggested Fisher might rest guys, even if they were undefeated. That simply is not happening, by any coach. You are absolutely correct that going 16-0 guarantees you absolutely nothing, as the Patriots proved last season. It doesn't change the fact that most coaches are well aware of the history of the game and will NEVER pass up a chance to make history (and their players would never allow their coach to pass up a chance to make history)! Parcells always had the best line when asked if he was going to rest players. His response was always "Football players play". That about sums it up. I agree with SJ that it only makes sense to rest guys who are nursing injuries or might be banged up. As someone who grew up playing football, I personally believe that resting does more harm than good. Football is only played once a week, so taking time off can really negatively affect your timing. It's far more important to keep yourself sharp (assuming you're healthy) than it is to get rest. Belichick has never once rested Brady, even when they had their playoff position wrapped up, and I believe that is the right approach to take.


John from Boston

Yeah I'd have to agree on all of that esp. the players playing to keep the timing and sharpness at its peak since I also played as well.

Now with that said, why does Fox or NBC or ESPN have to show fuckwad Jerry Jones after EVERY PLAY regarding a Dallas Cowboys game? You don't see no other owner get as much tv time than this guy. Ok, I understand he's the owner of Dallas.. but does he need to be shown after EVERY PLAY? What a god damn annoyance.

[Saint John]

Ok man, calm down. I agree that no starters should sit at any time during the season no matter what their record is. Its a double sided coin when dealing with it. Last time I remembered, 16-0 doesn't earn you a Super Bowl Title and in the end that's all that matters. 16 games is a long, brutal stretch and the game takes its toll on players, esp veterans and when games become meaningless towards the end of the year coaches tend to sit some guys. It all depends on preference of coaching. The other side of that coin is the rust going into the playoffs. If I know some key players needed rest one week to perform better when it's back to 0-0 then hot damn am I giving them that chance. Nothing is guaranteed but sitting players isn't all that wrong late in the season (and when I mean late I mean last 2 weeks, TOPS), even though I believe they should at least play for reps to stay fresh and sharp, then get pulled after a significant mount of time.

We're talking about two different issues. I agree with you that it is not unusual (even though I personally think it's idiotic) for a coach to rest some key players if their playoff position is all wrapped up. The point I was making was specifically with the Titans when you suggested Fisher might rest guys, even if they were undefeated. That simply is not happening, by any coach. You are absolutely correct that going 16-0 guarantees you absolutely nothing, as the Patriots proved last season. It doesn't change the fact that most coaches are well aware of the history of the game and will NEVER pass up a chance to make history (and their players would never allow their coach to pass up a chance to make history)! Parcells always had the best line when asked if he was going to rest players. His response was always "Football players play". That about sums it up. I agree with SJ that it only makes sense to rest guys who are nursing injuries or might be banged up. As someone who grew up playing football, I personally believe that resting does more harm than good. Football is only played once a week, so taking time off can really negatively affect your timing. It's far more important to keep yourself sharp (assuming you're healthy) than it is to get rest. Belichick has never once rested Brady, even when they had their playoff position wrapped up, and I believe that is the right approach to take.


John from Boston

Yeah I'd have to agree on all of that esp. the players playing to keep the timing and sharpness at its peak since I also played as well.

Now with that said, why does Fox or NBC or ESPN have to show fuckwad Jerry Jones after EVERY PLAY regarding a Dallas Cowboys game? You don't see no other owner get as much tv time than this guy. Ok, I understand he's the owner of Dallas.. but does he need to be shown after EVERY PLAY? What a god damn annoyance.

Embrace it because it'll be fuckin' great watching him as the seconds tick away during another first round playoff loss.

[YoungJRNY]

Ok man, calm down. I agree that no starters should sit at any time during the season no matter what their record is. Its a double sided coin when dealing with it. Last time I remembered, 16-0 doesn't earn you a Super Bowl Title and in the end that's all that matters. 16 games is a long, brutal stretch and the game takes its toll on players, esp veterans and when games become meaningless towards the end of the year coaches tend to sit some guys. It all depends on preference of coaching. The other side of that coin is the rust going into the playoffs. If I know some key players needed rest one week to perform better when it's back to 0-0 then hot damn am I giving them that chance. Nothing is guaranteed but sitting players isn't all that wrong late in the season (and when I mean late I mean last 2 weeks, TOPS), even though I believe they should at least play for reps to stay fresh and sharp, then get pulled after a significant mount of time.

We're talking about two different issues. I agree with you that it is not unusual (even though I personally think it's idiotic) for a coach to rest some key players if their playoff position is all wrapped up. The point I was making was specifically with the Titans when you suggested Fisher might rest guys, even if they were undefeated. That simply is not happening, by any coach. You are absolutely correct that going 16-0 guarantees you absolutely nothing, as the Patriots proved last season. It doesn't change the fact that most coaches are well aware of the history of the game and will NEVER pass up a chance to make history (and their players would never allow their coach to pass up a chance to make history)! Parcells always had the best line when asked if he was going to rest players. His response was always "Football players play". That about sums it up. I agree with SJ that it only makes sense to rest guys who are nursing injuries or might be banged up. As someone who grew up playing football, I personally believe that resting does more harm than good. Football is only played once a week, so taking time off can really negatively affect your timing. It's far more important to keep yourself sharp (assuming you're healthy) than it is to get rest. Belichick has never once rested Brady, even when they had their playoff position wrapped up, and I believe that is the right approach to take.


John from Boston

Yeah I'd have to agree on all of that esp. the players playing to keep the timing and sharpness at its peak since I also played as well.

Now with that said, why does Fox or NBC or ESPN have to show fuckwad Jerry Jones after EVERY PLAY regarding a Dallas Cowboys game? You don't see no other owner get as much tv time than this guy. Ok, I understand he's the owner of Dallas.. but does he need to be shown after EVERY PLAY? What a god damn annoyance.

Embrace it because it'll be fuckin' great watching him as the seconds tick away during another first round playoff loss.

A-MEN!

[YoungJRNY]

Standings through Week 11:

John from Boston: 13-3-1 (Nice change on the Baltimore game and the changing of counting the upset )

YoungJRNY: 12-5



Others who picked but didn't pick 6 to count:

mikemarrs: 10-2-1 (Still has Mon Pick)

Rick: 10-2-1 (Still has Mon Pick)

Maui Tom:1-0

Saint John:1-0

Deano: 0-1

[Don]

Can someone enlighten Jim Fassel that writing handwritten letters to Al Davis in hopes of coaching the Raiders is not cool.

[X factor]

Have I told you guys lately that my Titans are STILL UNDEFEATED!

Unbelievable squad...and congrats to that.. that defense was playing well for years, they just needed an offense to compliment. Kerry Collins is proving me wrong, he really has a hold and tight grasp on that offense and he is proven to be the leader of it and it's showing. He's made some heck of a nice throws, and he manages well.

BUT, they might be peaking A BIT TOO EARLY Sometimes going undefeated this late in the season or AT ALL seems to come back and bight a team in the ass. Come to think of it, when was the last time a first seeded team won the Superbowl?

Hence my theory that they will tank against the Lions!

Dude.. they aren't losing to the Lions... bank on it. If they do lose then they might just play 6 on defense or 4 on offense. Not happening. I see them yank starters in the late season and the backups will lose one of the later games. (Pit, Indy) Kind of like the Colts did in '05. Started 13-0 then lost the last 3.

Unless Home Field is on the line of course.

I know, man. I'm just being facetious...but I do think (and quite frankly, kinda HOPE) they will lose at some point. I think the whole "perfect season" is just too big of a monkey on a team's back. And it broke my heart to see the Pats go undefeated UNTIL the Super Bowl (and I'm not even a big fan of their's ) so I certainly don't want to see something similiar happen to my guys.
On the flip side, it is kinda funny to see some of the ESPN talking heads who keep saying "No, THIS is the week they'll lose"... or "NO WAY they make it to THIS mark..." etc...

[Enigma869]

Can someone enlighten Jim Fassel that writing handwritten letters to Al Davis in hopes of coaching the Raiders is not cool.

I think someone should enlighten Jim Fassel that being anywhere near the Raiders is "not cool". The Raiders organization is NFL purgatory and certain death for a coach. At this point, I would say it's a three way tie for the worst run organizations in the NFL between the Raiders, Lions, and Bungles!


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

On the flip side, it is kinda funny to see some of the ESPN talking heads who keep saying "No, THIS is the week they'll lose"... or "NO WAY they make it to THIS mark..." etc...

Most of the guys on ESPN know as much about football as the fans watching the station. They all have their biases, as well. John Clayton and Tom Jackson DESPISE New England. Jackson came out the season after Belichick got there and said on the air "All the New England players despise Coach Belichick and will not play for him". They went out and won 3 of the next 4 Super Bowls. Another brilliant prediction by another ESPN dope!


On another note, I couldn't agree with you more on wanting a team to lose. I was hoping the Patriots would lose a regular season game last season. The regular season isn't relevant, once you've secured your playoff positioning.


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

Standings through Week 11:

John from Boston: 13-3-1 (Nice change on the Baltimore game and the changing of counting the upset )

Yeah...I wasn't that married to the Baltimore pick. I think the Giants are the best team in the NFL, but upsets happen in the NFL all the time, so I threw it out there. Although I wasn't shocked the Giants won the game, I was very surprised that the Ravens sucked as bad as they sucked. It's the first time in over 2 years that they gave up over 100 yards rushing. They just looked AWFUL! One thing is very apparent, Baltimore is fucked, if they get behind in a game. They simply have no offense, and cannot come back in a game.


John from Boston

[mikemarrs]

i've got the bills tonight against the browns.but who knows brady quinn could have a monster game tonight.quinn is the opposite of anderson because while anderson likes the deep ball quinn likes to throw shorter passes and quinn could also be good at keeping the time of possession in favor of the browns.the bills are hard to figure out because while they had a good start they've been pretty unpredictable lately.i chose the bills mainly because they are at home but this could go either way....

[mikemarrs]

congrats to everyone on their picks.we have some great ones here....

[Enigma869]

What a stupid fuck McNabb is. I can't believe this fucker genuinely didn't know that an NFL game could end in a tie (and admitted to it). He then goes on to say "I hate to see what is going to happen in the playoffs if there is a tie". Hey...stupid fuck, McNutbag....THERE ARE NO TIES IN THE PLAYOFFS, you fucking moron!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3709095


John from Boston

[Saint John]

What a stupid fuck McNabb is. I can't believe this fucker genuinely didn't know that an NFL game could end in a tie (and admitted to it). He then goes on to say "I hate to see what is going to happen in the playoffs if there is a tie". Hey...stupid fuck, McNutbag....THERE ARE NO TIES IN THE PLAYOFFS, you fucking moron!

I can guarantee that he got the old "athletic C" while attending the same high school that I did. No way this guy had passing grades. I still remember watching him and Antoine Walker play basketball in high school. Man, was McNabb a fuckin' baller. I still think he chose to focus on the wrong sport. Around his junior year in high school he really started to focus on football and considering he's the highest paid quarterback of all-time I guess it paid off for him, but I think he would have been more successful as a basketball player, money aside.

[Red13JoePa]

Enigma, St John you boys know me.

As an Iggles Zealot, I've been telling you guys for at LEAST 2 years that McLorenzen is a fraud.

SJ. A year ago I was telling some knotheaded Eagles fan pals of mine what you told ME about his chokes all the way back to the Chicago City Title games @ Mt Carmel that the DNA is there, it can't be overcome.

McSixTheOtherWay will always apple up when the chips are down.

As a big Birds fan, I keep telling people: I'm favor of regime change there all around and until it happens, I'll invest ALL my football stock on the slings and arrows of the fortunes of Penn State and merely observe the car wreck that is the Eagles w/ calousness.

As an aside, being the mentally ill diva drama queen attention seeking crybaby he IS, I don't rule out McHyperVentilate INVENTING the story about not knowing the OT rule this week JUST so he can create drama and whine about being a victim again.
The Stigmata Complex is what I call it.

[Saint John]

Here is the stretch of greatness that my old high school had, 13. Let's see if you can plug in the McNabb era.

"Coach Frank Lenti has guided the team to 9 additional state crowns in 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2002."

Answer: the years ending 92, 93, 94 and 95.

[Enigma869]

I don't rule out McHyperVentilate INVENTING the story about not knowing the OT rule this week JUST so he can create drama and whine about being a victim again.

Well, he's even a bigger dope if he actually just invented this story, because it makes the guy look beyond stupid. I've been a diehard NFL guys since the 70's and I've never once heard a guy come out and say "Gee, I didn't know that NFL games could end in a tie". Let alone, go on to say "I can't wait to see what happens when there is a tie in a playoff game". What a fucking clown. On another note, it's definitely time for Reid and McNabb to get out of Philadelphia. Kevin Colb is waiting in the wings and Bill Cowher is well liked in the state of Pennsylvania!

[Red13JoePa]

Kevin Colb is waiting in the wings and Bill Cowher is well liked in the state of Pennsylvania!

Unfortunately for the Eagles they are the 3rd biggest coaching job in PA behind Penn State and the Stillas and PSU happens to be in the market for a coach soon.

[Rhiannon]

Bill Cowher is well liked in the state of Pennsylvania!

He's well liked everywhere... or should be. He's awesome. One of my favorite coaches.

[YoungJRNY]

[Saint John]

If that jar-faced fuckhead Cowher is the next Penn State coach it'll be extremely hard for me to root for them. His over the top theatrics and constant slobbering and spitting while he speaks are hard to swallow. He's a great coach, but I just don't see the need to act like an overzealous asshole.

[YoungJRNY]

If that jar-faced fuckhead Cowher is the next Penn State coach it'll be extremely hard for me to root for them. His over the top theatrics and constant slobbering and spitting while he speaks are hard to swallow. He's a great coach, but I just don't see the need to act like an overzealous asshole.

Cowher won't be the next coach for Penn State, or anywhere else for that matter. For now, it looks like he is content on not coaching and is enjoying his football career as a analyst. Last year, he confirmed that Washington threw the big bucks at him, but he refused, stating he is enjoying his life outside of the coaching world. The itch will be back.. esp when his youngest daughter graduates from college (who was the main reason he resigned in the first place.) He bought a mansion in Cali, and I don't see him coming out of "retirement" for a couple more years. He will be back though, but by then who knows where the NFL will stand.. and it WILL be in the NFL. The Browns? Maybe. As much as it'll make me PUKE large chunks of feces all over myself!

He's a great coach, but I just don't see the need to act like an overzealous asshole.

Acting like an overzealous asshole does wonders for teams.. and it speaks passion for the game that noone else could match, and that passion leaked out on his players as they brought him a 161-99-1 record (including playoffs.. *149-90-1 in regular season.)

In Cowher’s 15 seasons, the Steelers captured eight division titles, earned ten postseason playoff berths, played in 21 playoff games, advanced to six AFC Championship games and made two Super Bowl appearances, winning one. He is one of only six coaches in NFL history to claim at least seven division titles. His fierce way of being a motivator (and an overzealous asshole that drools all over himself) will forever be missed, and the energy that he brought to the game will never be seen again, until he comes back that is. LONG LIVE THE CHIN! (unless he goes to Cleveland)

[Enigma869]

If that jar-faced fuckhead Cowher is the next Penn State coach it'll be extremely hard for me to root for them.

Cowher isn't going to Penn State or any other college! I can't think of a single successful NFL head coach (and Cowher was very successful) who has ever gone back to coach college. I suspect that Cowher is waiting for John Fox to leave Carolina (which doesn't look likely, based on the season they're having). He's a Carolina guy, and I believe that's where he'll eventually land.

[mikemarrs]

congrats rick on that browns-bills game.that thing came down to the wire.buffalo has definitely imploded the last few weeks.brady quinn is going to be a huge success in the future in my opinion especially if they get rid of that numbnut crennell and get some new coaches....

[Rick]

congrats rick on that browns-bills game.that thing came down to the wire.buffalo has definitely imploded the last few weeks.brady quinn is going to be a huge success in the future in my opinion especially if they get rid of that numbnut crennell and get some new coaches....

Thanks. I hope you're right. I like Quinn, but in my opinion, he looked like he was letting the pressure eat him up. He just needs to toughen up a little. If he were to make the playoffs, there's a lot more pressure to bare.