OT: Dustin Pedroia named A.L. MVP!

[conversationpc]

Couldn't have happened to a better guy...and it's only his second year in the league!

[Enigma869]

Couldn't have happened to a better guy...and it's only his second year in the league!

You forgot to mention that he won Rookie of the Year last season and the Gold Glove this season. That little fucker is a monster player.

[conversationpc]

Couldn't have happened to a better guy...and it's only his second year in the league!

You forgot to mention that he won Rookie of the Year last season and the Gold Glove this season. That little fucker is a monster player.

Nope, didn't forget...Just didn't mention it.

[Tito]

If Carlos Quentin didn't fuck up and break his wrist, he would've won it hands down.

[Enigma869]

If Carlos Quentin didn't fuck up and break his wrist, he would've won it hands down.

Yeah, and if David Tyree didn't miraculously catch that pass in the Super Bowl for the Giants, the Patriots would have had a perfect season. Don't bore me would the "would haves", douche!

[conversationpc]

If Carlos Quentin didn't fuck up and break his wrist, he would've won it hands down.

Yeah, and if David Tyree didn't miraculously catch that pass in the Super Bowl for the Giants, the Patriots would have had a perfect season. Don't bore me would the "would haves", douche!

Tito's comment didn't quite deserve that kind of response, did it?

[Tito]

Quentin

2008 CWS 130 G 480 AB 96 R 138 H 26 2B 1 3B 36 HR 100 RBI 66 BB 80K 7 SB 3 CS .288 AVG. .394OBP .571 SLG .965 OPS

Pedroia

2008 Bos 157G 653 AB 118R 213 H 54 2B 2 3B 17 HR 83 RBI 50 BB 52 K 20 SB 1 CS .326 AVG. .376 OBP .493 SLG. .869 OPS

Actually, if you could make a case he still should've won it despite missing the last month of the season. The Red Sox still would've been good without Pedroia, the White Sox would never had been in the playoffs had Quentin not had the year he had.

[Enigma869]

Quentin

2008 CWS 130 G 480 AB 96 R 138 H 26 2B 1 3B 36 HR 100 RBI 66 BB 80K 7 SB 3 CS .288 AVG. .394OBP .571 SLG .965 OPS

Pedroia

2008 Bos 157G 653 AB 118R 213 H 54 2B 2 3B 17 HR 83 RBI 50 BB 52 K 20 SB 1 CS .326 AVG. .376 OBP .493 SLG. .869 OPS

Actually, if you could make a case he still should've won it despite missing the last month of the season. The Red Sox still would've been good without Pedroia, the White Sox would never had been in the playoffs had Quentin not had the year he had.

You're a fucking clown. Stop whining like a little bitch and get over it, Taco Boy. Quentin didn't even finish in the top 4 and shouldn't have! There is more to baseball than HR's. People who have forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know voted for Pedroia, and they got it right, douche!

[S2M]

Quentin

2008 CWS 130 G 480 AB 96 R 138 H 26 2B 1 3B 36 HR 100 RBI 66 BB 80K 7 SB 3 CS .288 AVG. .394OBP .571 SLG .965 OPS

Pedroia

2008 Bos 157G 653 AB 118R 213 H 54 2B 2 3B 17 HR 83 RBI 50 BB 52 K 20 SB 1 CS .326 AVG. .376 OBP .493 SLG. .869 OPS

Actually, if you could make a case he still should've won it despite missing the last month of the season. The Red Sox still would've been good without Pedroia, the White Sox would never had been in the playoffs had Quentin not had the year he had.

You're a fucking clown. Stop whining like a little bitch and get over it, Taco Boy. Quentin didn't even finish in the top 4 and shouldn't have! There is more to baseball than HR's. People who have forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know voted for Pedroia, and they got it right, douche!

Yeah, and that douchebag, Evan Grant, didn't even have Dustin on his ballot.....what a fucking assclown.

[Tito]

Quentin

2008 CWS 130 G 480 AB 96 R 138 H 26 2B 1 3B 36 HR 100 RBI 66 BB 80K 7 SB 3 CS .288 AVG. .394OBP .571 SLG .965 OPS

Pedroia

2008 Bos 157G 653 AB 118R 213 H 54 2B 2 3B 17 HR 83 RBI 50 BB 52 K 20 SB 1 CS .326 AVG. .376 OBP .493 SLG. .869 OPS

Actually, if you could make a case he still should've won it despite missing the last month of the season. The Red Sox still would've been good without Pedroia, the White Sox would never had been in the playoffs had Quentin not had the year he had.

You're a fucking clown. Stop whining like a little bitch and get over it, Taco Boy. Quentin didn't even finish in the top 4 and shouldn't have! There is more to baseball than HR's. People who have forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know voted for Pedroia, and they got it right, douche!

The Red Sox had a loaded team with or without Pedroia, the White Sox had shit and I still can't believe they actually made the playoffs. Grant it, Detroit choking this year (this also belongs in my Michigan thread) and Cleveland underperforming had more to do with anything they did. But if it wasn't for Quentin the Sox wouldn't even had a winning record, hence MVP. Don't kid yourself had he played the final month, he would've won. Homeruns are overrated but look at his RBIs as well as runs scored in 170 less ABs.

[Tito]

Quentin

2008 CWS 130 G 480 AB 96 R 138 H 26 2B 1 3B 36 HR 100 RBI 66 BB 80K 7 SB 3 CS .288 AVG. .394OBP .571 SLG .965 OPS

Pedroia

2008 Bos 157G 653 AB 118R 213 H 54 2B 2 3B 17 HR 83 RBI 50 BB 52 K 20 SB 1 CS .326 AVG. .376 OBP .493 SLG. .869 OPS

Actually, if you could make a case he still should've won it despite missing the last month of the season. The Red Sox still would've been good without Pedroia, the White Sox would never had been in the playoffs had Quentin not had the year he had.

You're a fucking clown. Stop whining like a little bitch and get over it, Taco Boy. Quentin didn't even finish in the top 4 and shouldn't have! There is more to baseball than HR's. People who have forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know voted for Pedroia, and they got it right, douche!

Yeah, and that douchebag, Evan Grant, didn't even have Dustin on his ballot.....what a fucking assclown.

Thanks for reminding about JFB aka fag lover other point. The baseball media are morons. They all have their little biases,etc. As SM how can a writer not even have the MVP winner on their ballot. Don't overestimate the intelligence of the baseball media or media in general.

[S2M]

Quentin

2008 CWS 130 G 480 AB 96 R 138 H 26 2B 1 3B 36 HR 100 RBI 66 BB 80K 7 SB 3 CS .288 AVG. .394OBP .571 SLG .965 OPS

Pedroia

2008 Bos 157G 653 AB 118R 213 H 54 2B 2 3B 17 HR 83 RBI 50 BB 52 K 20 SB 1 CS .326 AVG. .376 OBP .493 SLG. .869 OPS

Actually, if you could make a case he still should've won it despite missing the last month of the season. The Red Sox still would've been good without Pedroia, the White Sox would never had been in the playoffs had Quentin not had the year he had.

You're a fucking clown. Stop whining like a little bitch and get over it, Taco Boy. Quentin didn't even finish in the top 4 and shouldn't have! There is more to baseball than HR's. People who have forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know voted for Pedroia, and they got it right, douche!

The Red Sox had a loaded team with or without Pedroia, the White Sox had shit and I still can't believe they actually made the playoffs. Grant it, Detroit choking this year (this also belongs in my Michigan thread) and Cleveland underperforming had more to do with anything they did. But if it wasn't for Quentin the Sox wouldn't even had a winning record, hence MVP. Don't kid yourself had he played the final month, he would've won. Homeruns are overrated but look at his RBIs as well as runs scored in 170 less ABs.

Tito, you are proving our point. RBIs just prove that you got a hit with MEN ON BASE. You can't get RBIs if you don't have teammates getting on in front of you....Pedroia bats second meaning the 8,9, and 1 hitter must get on base for him to drive them in. Bottom of our lineup was putrid this year. If Quentin knocked in that many with 170 less at bats, that only proves that CWS had a better team than the Sox, and consequently would have done fairly well without him....

[Tito]

Quentin

2008 CWS 130 G 480 AB 96 R 138 H 26 2B 1 3B 36 HR 100 RBI 66 BB 80K 7 SB 3 CS .288 AVG. .394OBP .571 SLG .965 OPS

Pedroia

2008 Bos 157G 653 AB 118R 213 H 54 2B 2 3B 17 HR 83 RBI 50 BB 52 K 20 SB 1 CS .326 AVG. .376 OBP .493 SLG. .869 OPS

Actually, if you could make a case he still should've won it despite missing the last month of the season. The Red Sox still would've been good without Pedroia, the White Sox would never had been in the playoffs had Quentin not had the year he had.

You're a fucking clown. Stop whining like a little bitch and get over it, Taco Boy. Quentin didn't even finish in the top 4 and shouldn't have! There is more to baseball than HR's. People who have forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know voted for Pedroia, and they got it right, douche!

The Red Sox had a loaded team with or without Pedroia, the White Sox had shit and I still can't believe they actually made the playoffs. Grant it, Detroit choking this year (this also belongs in my Michigan thread) and Cleveland underperforming had more to do with anything they did. But if it wasn't for Quentin the Sox wouldn't even had a winning record, hence MVP. Don't kid yourself had he played the final month, he would've won. Homeruns are overrated but look at his RBIs as well as runs scored in 170 less ABs.

Tito, you are proving our point. RBIs just prove that you got a hit with MEN ON BASE. You can't get RBIs if you don't have teammates getting on in front of you....Pedroia bats second meaning the 8,9, and 1 hitter must get on base for him to drive them in. Bottom of our lineup was putrid this year. If Quentin knocked in that many with 170 less at bats, that only proves that CWS had a better team than the Sox, and consequently would have done fairly well without him....

You're kidding me? First, scoring runs is how you win games. If you think the White Sox had a good team, you obviously didn't watch them. The Red Sox did have a loaded team. The Red Sox had a leadoff hitter the White Sox did not. Pedroia had the heart of the order protecting him, Quentin was the only guy in that lineup with the exception of Dye at times that was worth anything.

[conversationpc]

Tito, you are proving our point. RBIs just prove that you got a hit with MEN ON BASE. You can't get RBIs if you don't have teammates getting on in front of you....Pedroia bats second meaning the 8,9, and 1 hitter must get on base for him to drive them in. Bottom of our lineup was putrid this year. If Quentin knocked in that many with 170 less at bats, that only proves that CWS had a better team than the Sox, and consequently would have done fairly well without him....

Plus Quentin didn't hit 1st or 2nd, did he? Driving in as many runs as Pedroia did while hitting either 1st or 2nd is pretty damn good.

[Enigma869]

Tito, you are proving our point. RBIs just prove that you got a hit with MEN ON BASE. You can't get RBIs if you don't have teammates getting on in front of you....Pedroia bats second meaning the 8,9, and 1 hitter must get on base for him to drive them in. Bottom of our lineup was putrid this year. If Quentin knocked in that many with 170 less at bats, that only proves that CWS had a better team than the Sox, and consequently would have done fairly well without him....

Don't even try reasoning with this douche! Tito seems to forget that Quentin bats cleanup and that Dustin Pedroia bats at the top of the lineup. He also seems to forget that Pedroia is about 5'6" and 160lbs. Pedroia's average was also 40 points higher, and that matters!

[conversationpc]

You're kidding me? First, scoring runs is how you win games. If you think the White Sox had a good team, you obviously didn't watch them. The Red Sox did have a loaded team. The Red Sox had a leadoff hitter the White Sox did not. Pedroia had the heart of the order protecting him, Quentin was the only guy in that lineup with the exception of Dye at times that was worth anything.

The White Sox had a good all-around offense this year and were near the top of the league in homers and runs scored, so they had plenty of guys on in front of Quentin, including Dye, Ramirez, Konerko (during the last half), Swisher (not a high batting average but got on base), Thome, and Crede when he wasn't injured. Your argument is going down in flames.

[Tito]

Don't even try reasoning with this douche! Tito seems to forget that Quentin bats cleanup and that Dustin Pedroia bats at the top of the lineup. He also seems to forget that Pedroia is about 5'6" and 160lbs. Pedroia's average was also 40 points higher, and that matters!

Quentin had a higher On Base Percentage.

[S2M]

Don't even try reasoning with this douche! Tito seems to forget that Quentin bats cleanup and that Dustin Pedroia bats at the top of the lineup. He also seems to forget that Pedroia is about 5'6" and 160lbs. Pedroia's average was also 40 points higher, and that matters!

Quentin had a higher On Base Percentage.

AGAIN, which means he came up with 2 guys on base already, and they walked him.....man, do we need to teach you everything!? How many fucking intentional walks did he have?

[Tito]

You're kidding me? First, scoring runs is how you win games. If you think the White Sox had a good team, you obviously didn't watch them. The Red Sox did have a loaded team. The Red Sox had a leadoff hitter the White Sox did not. Pedroia had the heart of the order protecting him, Quentin was the only guy in that lineup with the exception of Dye at times that was worth anything.

The White Sox had a good all-around offense this year and were near the top of the league in homers and runs scored, so they had plenty of guys on in front of Quentin, including Dye, Ramirez, Konerko (during the last half), Swisher (not a high batting average but got on base), Thome, and Crede when he wasn't injured. Your argument is going down in flames.

You did NOT watch the White Sox this year. If you think Konerko had a good a first half, we need to talk. If you think Swisher did anything this year we need to talk. If you think the White Sox had a good all around offense we need to talk.

Also, Youklis finished third. So, a Red Sox finished 1st and 3rd, Quentin finished 5th (and missed a month). Obviously, Pedroia had help.

[Tito]

Don't even try reasoning with this douche! Tito seems to forget that Quentin bats cleanup and that Dustin Pedroia bats at the top of the lineup. He also seems to forget that Pedroia is about 5'6" and 160lbs. Pedroia's average was also 40 points higher, and that matters!

Quentin had a higher On Base Percentage.

AGAIN, which means he came up with 2 guys on base already, and they walked him.....man, do we need to teach you everything!? How many fucking intentional walks did he have?

What the fuck are you talking about?

[S2M]

You're kidding me? First, scoring runs is how you win games. If you think the White Sox had a good team, you obviously didn't watch them. The Red Sox did have a loaded team. The Red Sox had a leadoff hitter the White Sox did not. Pedroia had the heart of the order protecting him, Quentin was the only guy in that lineup with the exception of Dye at times that was worth anything.

The White Sox had a good all-around offense this year and were near the top of the league in homers and runs scored, so they had plenty of guys on in front of Quentin, including Dye, Ramirez, Konerko (during the last half), Swisher (not a high batting average but got on base), Thome, and Crede when he wasn't injured. Your argument is going down in flames.

You did NOT watch the White Sox this year. If you think Konerko had a good a first half, we need to talk. If you think Swisher did anything this year we need to talk. If you think the White Sox had a good all around offense we need to talk.

Also, Youklis finished third. So, a Red Sox finished 1st and 3rd, Quentin finished 5th (and missed a month). Obviously, Pedroia had help.

Dude, did you actually WATCH babseball this year?!

Youkilis played TWO positions, and filled in nicely for Lowell. THAT'S why he got 3rd.....He wasn't that much of an offensive monster this year, but he filled in quite outstandingly(if thats a word).....

[conversationpc]

Don't even try reasoning with this douche! Tito seems to forget that Quentin bats cleanup and that Dustin Pedroia bats at the top of the lineup. He also seems to forget that Pedroia is about 5'6" and 160lbs. Pedroia's average was also 40 points higher, and that matters!

Quentin had a higher On Base Percentage.

Here's the final, unassailable argument...

Pedroia...Played the entire season
Won the gold glove
Scored 22 more runs than Quentin
Had nearly 80 more hits
More than twice as many doubles
2 triples to Quentin's 1
Struck out only 52 times compared to Quentin's 80
Batting average almost 40 points higher
Nearly 50 more total bases
Almost three times more stolen bases while only being caught once
Far more sac hits & sac flies than Quentin

Quentin...Yes, more homers, RBI, Higher slugging % & OBP
However...Out for the last month, the most important time of the season

[Tito]

Don't even try reasoning with this douche! Tito seems to forget that Quentin bats cleanup and that Dustin Pedroia bats at the top of the lineup. He also seems to forget that Pedroia is about 5'6" and 160lbs. Pedroia's average was also 40 points higher, and that matters!

Quentin had a higher On Base Percentage.

Here's the final, unassailable argument...

Pedroia...Played the entire season
Won the gold glove
Scored 22 more runs than Quentin
Had nearly 80 more hits
More than twice as many doubles
2 triples to Quentin's 1
Struck out only 52 times compared to Quentin's 80
Batting average almost 40 points higher
Nearly 50 more total bases
Almost three times more stolen bases while only being caught once
Far more sac hits & sac flies than Quentin

Quentin...Yes, more homers, RBI, Higher slugging % & OBP
However...Out for the last month, the most important time of the season

I'm not denying any of that and I'm not saying he shouldn't have won. What my point was HAD Quentin been healthy he would've won. He still finish 5th in the voting and missed the last month.

[Enigma869]

You're kidding me? First, scoring runs is how you win games.

Right, and Pedroia was NUMBER ONE IN THE LEAGUE in scoring runs, genius!

The Red Sox did have a loaded team.

The Red Sox weren't close to being "loaded" this season and weren't even good enough to win their division.

The Red Sox had a leadoff hitter the White Sox did not.

The Red Sox leadoff hitter hit a whopping .280 this past season. Really not anything to write home about. He also struck out a ton!

Pedroia had the heart of the order protecting him

You are truly fucking clueless. Pedroia hit over .600 (yes, I said .600) for an entire month, after Manny (who SUCKED with the Red Sox) was traded. Pedroia didn't need any protection in the lineup. He was an offensive machine this season! Stop your fucking whining. It's embarrassing.

[S2M]

You're kidding me? First, scoring runs is how you win games.

Right, and Pedroia was NUMBER ONE IN THE LEAGUE in scoring runs, genius!

The Red Sox did have a loaded team.

The Red Sox weren't close to being "loaded" this season and weren't even good enough to win their division.

The Red Sox had a leadoff hitter the White Sox did not.

The Red Sox leadoff hitter hit a whopping .280 this past season. Really not anything to write home about. He also struck out a ton!

Pedroia had the heart of the order protecting him

You are truly fucking clueless. Pedroia hit over .600 (yes, I said .600) for an entire month, after Manny (who SUCKED with the Red Sox) was traded. Pedroia didn't need any protection in the lineup. He was an offensive machine this season! Stop your fucking whining. It's embarrassing.

BREAKING NEWS: This just in....Tito is a finalist for the 2009 Whiney Awards.

[Enigma869]

What my point was HAD Quentin been healthy he would've won.

Right, and if I had been born 10 years earlier, I'd still be in my twenties! You are a fucking MORON!

[Tito]

Konerko (during the last half), Swisher (not a high batting average but got on base),

Konerko missed nearly a month in the latter part of June to early July. Through July Konerko hit a whoping .214 with 9 HR, 35 RBI.

Swisher was benched by the end of the year. Ironically, his best part of the season was when konerko went down and he moved to first. Note, Swisher has already been traded to the Yankees last week and his stint by all accounts was a failure.

[Tito]

What my point was HAD Quentin been healthy he would've won.

Right, and if I had been born 10 years earlier, I'd still be in my twenties! You are a fucking MORON!

Your reading comprehension skills amaze me. Where did I say Pedroia should not have won. All I said was HAD Quentin stayed healthy he would've won the award. I think the evidence that he finished 5th in voting despite missing the last month proves that.

[S2M]

What my point was HAD Quentin been healthy he would've won.

Right, and if I had been born 10 years earlier, I'd still be in my twenties! You are a fucking MORON!

Your reading comprehension skills amaze me. Where did I say Pedroia should not have won. All I said was HAD Quentin stayed healthy he would've won the award. I think the evidence that he finished 5th in voting despite missing the last month proves that.

And if Humpty Dumpty was hardboiled.......

[Rick]

What my point was HAD Quentin been healthy he would've won.

Right, and if I had been born 10 years earlier, I'd still be in my twenties! You are a fucking MORON!

Your reading comprehension skills amaze me. Where did I say Pedroia should not have won. All I said was HAD Quentin stayed healthy he would've won the award. I think the evidence that he finished 5th in voting despite missing the last month proves that.

And if Humpty Dumpty was hardboiled.......

If my aunt had balls....