What is "Success" for "The Voice's Return?

[madsplash]

What do you think would be a success for SP's comeback?(Which I told you was coming on my first post on this board, it's not if , it's WHEN?)
I mean it'll probably be a Wal-Mart or ITunes record, so what will be the measuring stick for "success"?

Gold, Platinum, just showing off the newly repaired "voice" ?(Which, again, I told you was coming........Just watch).

I think success for him would be to put out songs that he wrote and believes in, shows he can still sing his ass off at 60 and tells any of the nay-sayers, to be thankfull for what he gave you. His voice at 60, is still FUCKING MAGIC!

That's what I think would equal success. What do you think?



P.S. When the return happens, what do I get for bringing the "meat" on my first post, that my sister's friend told her about that I got questioned for?

Nah, just as long as the SP comeback is as big as I KNOW it will be........that's enough for me.

LOONS unite! Especiallly us male, non-gay, love SP for his unmatched talent loons, are ready for! "The Voice" will be heard from again...Sooooooon!

[lights1961]

What do you think would be a success for SP's comeback?(Which I told you was coming on my first post on this board, it's not if , it's WHEN?)
I mean it'll probably be a Wal-Mart or ITunes record, so what will be the measuring stick for "success"?

Gold, Platinum, just showing off the newly repaired "voice" ?(Which, again, I told you was coming........Just watch).

I think success for him would be to put out songs that he wrote and believes in, shows he can still sing his ass off at 60 and tells any of the nay-sayers, to be thankfull for what he gave you. His voice at 60, is still FUCKING MAGIC!

That's what I think would equal success. What do you think?



P.S. When the return happens, what do I get for bringing the "meat" on my first post, that my sister's friend told her about that I got questioned for?

Nah, just as long as the SP comeback is as big as I KNOW it will be........that's enough for me.

LOONS unite! Especiallly us male, non-gay, love SP for his unmatched talent loons, are ready!

UM...to actually get it to print and out to the public is success.

[Saint John]

My only measuring stick for the guy would be singing live. Journey and Perry have always been live phenomenons and I think that would be the true way to judge him going forward.

[Rhiannon]

so what will be the measuring stick for "success"?

The same as with anything else. Consumer reception, level of goodness v. suckitude, and actual existence in the 3-D realm.

[Don]

If it doesn't do at least half as well as Revelation, the youtube comments are going to be brutal.

[bluejeangirl76]

so what will be the measuring stick for "success"?

The same as with anything else. Consumer reception, level of goodness v. suckitude, and actual existence in the 3-D realm.

Marketing. Marketing is key.

If you don't market well, you can't hope to sell. (c) Bjg

[CHELBEL]

Here's what I believe:
1. He has a cd or at least one in the works.
2. His plan is to market the cd thru us rather than thru conventional means.
3. He'll open his web page and that will be where his music will be accessable for purchase.
4. ... and it will be made known thru fanasylum ... it will snowball from there. He'll make available not only his new stuff but also a compilation of vintage unseen videos.
5. On his webpage we'll be able to download his music and/or videos.
6. He never has to tour because he'll be at our fingertips at all times.
7. Doing the talk show circuit is optional as far as he is concerned. If he does it, it'll be by choice not by need.
8. You're right ... he's brilliant!
9. He WILL be back!
10. The measure of his success is that he will sell millions by word of mouth only ... no marketing necessary.

[CHELBEL]

Be gentle with me ... I'm new here

[bluejeangirl76]

Here's what I believe:
1. He has a cd or at least one in the works.
2. His plan is to market the cd thru us rather than thru conventional means.
3. He'll open his web page and that will be where his music will be accessable for purchase.
4. ... and it will be made known thru fanasylum ... it will snowball from there. He'll make available not only his new stuff but also a compilation of vintage unseen videos.
5. On his webpage we'll be able to download his music and/or videos.
6. He never has to tour because he'll be at our fingertips at all times.
7. Doing the talk show circuit is optional as far as he is concerned. If he does it, it'll be by choice not by need.
8. You're right ... he's brilliant!
9. He WILL be back!
10. The measure of his success is that he will sell millions by word of mouth only ... no marketing necessary.

#1 and #3 aren't the craziest ideas I've heard... both would be reasonable possibilities.

The rest.... I dunno. I think you're giving "us" too much play in this scenario. It would take a whole lot more than that no matter who we were talking about.

#4 - compilation of unseen videos... I'm thinking more than likely not. Provided enough of those exist, he could do (or could have done) that at any time. Would have nothing to do with releasing new things.

#10 - no way in hell. God himself couldn't sell a CD that way. Marketing is important - yes even for the great SMFP.

[Rhiannon]

10. The measure of his success is that he will sell millions by word of mouth only ... no marketing necessary.

If you said "a few thousand", I'd be apt to agree here. But millions in an economy such as this with a music industry failing like it is and you think an artist could sell millions of albums just by (for lack of a better descriptive term) blogging about it? And they tell two people, and they tell two people, and they tell two people... sure, word will get around a bit. But you need to see the consumer public as a lazy cow who won't go out of their way to do anything unless the TV or advertisements tell them to. A devisive marketing strategy would be his only hope of selling millions of albums. Especially if it is only available for download online like you were suggesting.

[Don]

Here's what I believe:
1. He has a cd or at least one in the works.
2. His plan is to market the cd thru us rather than thru conventional means.
3. He'll open his web page and that will be where his music will be accessable for purchase.
4. ... and it will be made known thru fanasylum ... it will snowball from there. He'll make available not only his new stuff but also a compilation of vintage unseen videos.
5. On his webpage we'll be able to download his music and/or videos.
6. He never has to tour because he'll be at our fingertips at all times.
7. Doing the talk show circuit is optional as far as he is concerned. If he does it, it'll be by choice not by need.
8. You're right ... he's brilliant!
9. He WILL be back!
10. The measure of his success is that he will sell millions by word of mouth only ... no marketing necessary.

#1 and #3 aren't the craziest ideas I've heard... both would be reasonable possibilities.

The rest.... I dunno. I think you're giving "us" too much play in this scenario. It would take a whole lot more than that no matter who we were talking about.

#4 - compilation of unseen videos... I'm thinking more than likely not. Provided enough of those exist, he could do (or could have done) that at any time. Would have nothing to do with releasing new things.

#10 - no way in hell. God himself couldn't sell a CD that way. Marketing is important - yes even for the great SMFP.

Sony owns the rights to most of the video stuff, and as we saw with the Houston DVD, both sides (Perry and Neal) would have to sign off on any Journey related videos being released.

[Arianddu]

10. The measure of his success is that he will sell millions by word of mouth only ... no marketing necessary.

If you said "a few thousand", I'd be apt to agree here. But millions in an economy such as this with a music industry failing like it is and you think an artist could sell millions of albums just by (for lack of a better descriptive term) blogging about it? And they tell two people, and they tell two people, and they tell two people... sure, word will get around a bit. But you need to see the consumer public as a lazy cow who won't go out of their way to do anything unless the TV or advertisements tell them to. A devisive marketing strategy would be his only hope of selling millions of albums. Especially if it is only available for download online like you were suggesting.

Not entirely - a good single with a catchy/amusing/interesting video clip and YouTube can do wonders for an albums sales, basically because they become the advertising.
Remember this? http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pv5zWaTEVkI

[CHELBEL]

10. The measure of his success is that he will sell millions by word of mouth only ... no marketing necessary.

If you said "a few thousand", I'd be apt to agree here. But millions in an economy such as this with a music industry failing like it is and you think an artist could sell millions of albums just by (for lack of a better descriptive term) blogging about it? And they tell two people, and they tell two people, and they tell two people... sure, word will get around a bit. But you need to see the consumer public as a lazy cow who won't go out of their way to do anything unless the TV or advertisements tell them to. A devisive marketing strategy would be his only hope of selling millions of albums. Especially if it is only available for download online like you were suggesting.

Not entirely - a good single with a catchy/amusing/interesting video clip and YouTube can do wonders for an albums sales, basically because they become the advertising.
Remember this? http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pv5zWaTEVkI

Exactly! Perhaps I'm the forever optimist but I say it's possible given the decicated following he still has, the curiosity of many and his appeal to most. Grant you, the ball is in his court now. For all of the above to occur ... the song/video HAS to be outstanding! As for the compilitation of unseen videos, years ago I'd read somewhere that he has home movies that were taken on some of the tours. Probably just someone's hopeful wish.

[mikemarrs]

i don't see wal-mart releasing anything of his solo like the journey deal.however if steve was to rejoin journey i could see wal-mart rushing to be the first one so they could put it out but as far as a solo CD i don't think they'd do it.

[Loneman1]

10. The measure of his success is that he will sell millions by word of mouth only ... no marketing necessary.

If you said "a few thousand", I'd be apt to agree here. But millions in an economy such as this with a music industry failing like it is and you think an artist could sell millions of albums just by (for lack of a better descriptive term) blogging about it? And they tell two people, and they tell two people, and they tell two people... sure, word will get around a bit. But you need to see the consumer public as a lazy cow who won't go out of their way to do anything unless the TV or advertisements tell them to. A devisive marketing strategy would be his only hope of selling millions of albums. Especially if it is only available for download online like you were suggesting.

Not entirely - a good single with a catchy/amusing/interesting video clip and YouTube can do wonders for an albums sales, basically because they become the advertising.
Remember this? http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pv5zWaTEVkI

Not the same. I agree with Rhiannon on this. Yeah, as we all know anyone can have a hit on YouTube for doing various things, but while Perry is possibly still a pretty big name with a certain group of people, I don't see any kind of solo project going anywhere unless he ties it to the name Journey. I love the guy's voice, but realistically, all the efforts he has made since "Street Talk" tell the story. It would be GREAT to hear from him again, don't get me wrong, but commercially it would probably be a flop.

[Saint John]

Steve Perry seemingly has Randy Jackson and David Cooke at his disposal. If he puts out something that's even moderately good and does a cameo or two with Cooke and sings on AI you will see sales in the millions. David Cooke is probably the hottest thing going and AI is probably the best marketing tool for music in the last 100 years. Put those two together with "the dude that sings Don't Stop Believin" and you'll have some monstrous sales. This is of course assuming that Perry puts out something that's hot. I have always maintained that there's a starved audience that's been waiting for this guy to sing again and I also think that there's a very large young demographic that would check out anything that "the dude that sings Don't Stop Believin'" puts out.

[ScarabGator]

Does a Perry solo album come close to matching Revelation in sales? In all honesty I dont think it does because of the Arnel media blitz and the name Journey not being attached...

[Angel]

Does a Perry solo album come close to matching Revelation in sales? In all honesty I dont think it does because of the Arnel media blitz and the name Journey not being attached...

I agree.

[bluejeangirl76]

Does a Perry solo album come close to matching Revelation in sales? In all honesty I dont think it does because of the Arnel media blitz and the name Journey not being attached...

But... Steve Perry does have the name Journey attached because he made it what it was to start with. You basically never hear Journey talked about with the words "Steve Perry" coming into it. And you never hear Steve Perry talked about without the word "Journey". "Former lead singer of Journey..." or "Steve Perry of Journey..." He's got that name attached whether he wants it or not.

Does that mean it would sell the way Revelation did? Well... Strange Medicine hit 500,000 and so did Revelation (we're talking physical copies, not gold vs. platinum status). Yes I know, Strange Medicine was 14 years ago... would he hit or surpass the same numbers today? Proper marketing, the availability of digital downloads... could happen. If its done right, yes, it could match or pass Revelation.

[Saint John]

Does a Perry solo album come close to matching Revelation in sales?

It blows it out of the water. Perry has every promotional tool in existence at his disposal. A new Perry album would sell a million copies easily. That's assuming he uses his connections with Randy Jackson and David Cooke to his advantage. He is not going to put out an album that sells less than Revelation. He'd buy a few hundred thousand copies himself before he let that happen.

[ScarabGator]

Does a Perry solo album come close to matching Revelation in sales? In all honesty I dont think it does because of the Arnel media blitz and the name Journey not being attached...

But... Steve Perry does have the name Journey attached because he made it what it was to start with. You basically never hear Journey talked about with the words "Steve Perry" coming into it. And you never hear Steve Perry talked about without the word "Journey". "Former lead singer of Journey..." or "Steve Perry of Journey..." He's got that name attached whether he wants it or not.

Does that mean it would sell the way Revelation did? Well... Strange Medicine hit 500,000 and so did Revelation (we're talking physical copies, not gold vs. platinum status). Yes I know, Strange Medicine was 14 years ago... would he hit or surpass the same numbers today? Proper marketing, the availability of digital downloads... could happen. If its done right, yes, it could match or pass Revelation.

BJG, I cant see it matching. Consider the whole Wal Mart promotion. Doubtful Steve would have anything close to that. It would be based on his name only and as that is more than enough for us and those on this board, for the rest of the world Im afraid may have passed him by.

[bluejeangirl76]

He'd buy a few hundred thousand copies himself before he let that happen.

[annpea]

Number, one just having the loyal fan base that he has will be a huge factor; Number two He will have to start courting the media; he's gonna have to learn to trust them; the media of yesterday no longer exist; there's a whole new breed of media personalities today; Number three, he's gonna have to start openly interacting with the other band members, openly embracing Arnel as a friend would help pull in a stronger Asian fanbase, just as Arnel being Journey's frontman has done for them, and finally marketing, the younger generation has money but we have more money, and we (fans) love exposing our children to the best; that's two generations right there alone with a third coming up fast, My grandchildren know more about Journey and Steve Perry than need be. They can tell a journey/Perry song from another room in three notes, they have their own personal favorites; because they were exposed to journey at a young age. JMO.

[bluejeangirl76]

Number two He will have to start courting the media; he's gonna have to learn to trust them; the media of yesterday no longer exist; there's a whole new breed of media personalities today;

Yeah, and they're a lot worse.

[Tito]

That I would care again would make the comeback a success.

[Art Vandelay]

I'd imagine anything that Steve Perry records at this point is strictly for artistic expression. He's a perfectionist, so anything that he feels is at the level to be recorded and released should be considered, in his eyes, a successful achievement. The man doesn't need gold or platinum records, or the cash, to have gratification at this point.

[brywool]

pretty much any album he puts out would be a success for him as far as I"m concerned. Not a 'critical' or 'sales' success, but a success just to hear new stuff.

If he puts out a bunch of redone greatest hits or something, I'll be pissed, however...

[belar]

Sorry, but how do we know that his voice is still magic at 60? Has anyone outside of Lora and Cyndy heard him?

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think a new Perry album even comes close to Revelation in sales. I'll be first in line to buy my copy, though.

[annpea]

Number two He will have to start courting the media; he's gonna have to learn to trust them; the media of yesterday no longer exist; there's a whole new breed of media personalities today;

Yeah, and they're a lot worse.

This maybe so , but without media coverage he might as well stay home and debate over painting the fence or mowing the lawn.

[lights1961]

Number two He will have to start courting the media; he's gonna have to learn to trust them; the media of yesterday no longer exist; there's a whole new breed of media personalities today;

Yeah, and they're a lot worse.

This maybe so , but without media coverage he might as well stay home and debate over painting the fence or mowing the lawn.

if he comes out with new CD he WILL HAVE to do promotions all over the place... I could see him on DTWS ala Arthea Franklyn ---maybe next srping... hey who would have thought you would
see arthea Franklyn on DTWS... SHE WAS GREAT BTW... look what DWTS did for DEF last year.. maybe with his connection to Jackson, maybe a stint with Idle???

Rick