What is "Success" for "The Voice's Return?

[bluejeangirl76]

.. maybe with his connection to Jackson, maybe a stint with Idle???

Isn't he already Idle?

But, no I don't think we'll see him on American Idol.

[stevew2]

That I would care again would make the comeback a success.

You are full of shit,go change your tail light, you sack lover

[Don]

Steve Perry seemingly has Randy Jackson and David Cooke at his disposal. If he puts out something that's even moderately good and does a cameo or two with Cooke and sings on AI you will see sales in the millions. David Cooke is probably the hottest thing going and AI is probably the best marketing tool for music in the last 100 years. Put those two together with "the dude that sings Don't Stop Believin" and you'll have some monstrous sales. This is of course assuming that Perry puts out something that's hot. I have always maintained that there's a starved audience that's been waiting for this guy to sing again and I also think that there's a very large young demographic that would check out anything that "the dude that sings Don't Stop Believin'" puts out.

To sell millions requires promotion of his Journey roots and I don't see anyone fronting the capital for marketing that without a tour to follow. If he tours , he has to sing Journey songs whether he likes it or not. If he could still sing that catalog now, even an octave lower, I think he would have done so already. If word got out that he was only doing his solo stuff, the tour would be dead after two weeks.

[escapefan]

I stilll say he will do it his way, his time with him driving the vehicle. The younger generation that likes DSB. Total Ipod generations. My teenager doesn't even purchase CD's anymore, only downloads electronically. So would Itunes, or his own website be the avenue. My guess would be yes. He would be in control. PR - I don't see it happening with him. Uncle Joe, Ray Foley are only a handful of media personell that he might trust... Open up his website - jez have you ever google SP. There is stuff out there every day. When Journey tours, his name is always in the article.. So why invest money in PR when you can get it for free. JMO

[bluejeangirl76]

If he tours , he has to sing Journey songs whether he likes it or not.

That's true. And didn't he say once, not that long ago, that he wouldn't want to be out there doing the same stuff at the same time Journey was doing it? I wouldn't be looking for and kind of tour anyway (just don't expect that would happen), but if he meant that... then there you go.

[annie89509]

Number, one just having the loyal fan base that he has will be a huge factor; Number two He will have to start courting the media; he's gonna have to learn to trust them; the media of yesterday no longer exist; there's a whole new breed of media personalities today; Number three, he's gonna have to start openly interacting with the other band members, openly embracing Arnel as a friend would help pull in a stronger Asian fanbase, just as Arnel being Journey's frontman has done for them, and finally marketing, the younger generation has money but we have more money, and we (fans) love exposing our children to the best; that's two generations right there alone with a third coming up fast, My grandchildren know more about Journey and Steve Perry than need be. They can tell a journey/Perry song from another room in three notes, they have their own personal favorites; because they were exposed to journey at a young age. JMO.

Not laughing at you, Annpea, but this point is so far-fetched it made me lol . I don't think he would need to do that as he already has a sizeable Japanese fanbase that reveres him and most definitely remembers his time with Journey. Have Sony spread the word, and I'll bet he'll sell loads of copies (at least in Japan).

[bluejeangirl76]

Number, one just having the loyal fan base that he has will be a huge factor; Number two He will have to start courting the media; he's gonna have to learn to trust them; the media of yesterday no longer exist; there's a whole new breed of media personalities today; Number three, he's gonna have to start openly interacting with the other band members, openly embracing Arnel as a friend would help pull in a stronger Asian fanbase, just as Arnel being Journey's frontman has done for them, and finally marketing, the younger generation has money but we have more money, and we (fans) love exposing our children to the best; that's two generations right there alone with a third coming up fast, My grandchildren know more about Journey and Steve Perry than need be. They can tell a journey/Perry song from another room in three notes, they have their own personal favorites; because they were exposed to journey at a young age. JMO.

Not laughing at you, Annpea, but this point is so far-fetched it made me lol . I don't think he would need to do that as he already has a sizeable Japanese fanbase that reveres him and most definitely remembers his time with Journey. Have Sony spread the word, and I'll bet he'll sell loads of copies (at least in Japan).

You're pretty well on the money there, annie. He doesn't need to get in bed with Journey to pull it off.

[Don]

Number, one just having the loyal fan base that he has will be a huge factor; Number two He will have to start courting the media; he's gonna have to learn to trust them; the media of yesterday no longer exist; there's a whole new breed of media personalities today; Number three, he's gonna have to start openly interacting with the other band members, openly embracing Arnel as a friend would help pull in a stronger Asian fanbase, just as Arnel being Journey's frontman has done for them, and finally marketing, the younger generation has money but we have more money, and we (fans) love exposing our children to the best; that's two generations right there alone with a third coming up fast, My grandchildren know more about Journey and Steve Perry than need be. They can tell a journey/Perry song from another room in three notes, they have their own personal favorites; because they were exposed to journey at a young age. JMO.

Not laughing at you, Annpea, but this point is so far-fetched it made me lol . I don't think he would need to do that as he already has a sizeable Japanese fanbase that reveres him and most definitely remembers his time with Journey. Have Sony spread the word, and I'll bet he'll sell loads of copies (at least in Japan).

It's all about touring. No tour = No Sony = No marketing.
Japanese fans loved Journey Pre ROR. Steve Perry sans Journey is a different matter. I'm not saying he should not put anything out but Millions of units selling is just not realistic.

[Onestepper]

No major label is gonna pump the money it would take to put something out given the amount of other acts that are out there that could complete a full tour schedule with no resistance. It would be different if he had only been away without something new for a few years. 14 is another story. He'd have to put it out himself and strike a side marketing deal. His base would go far and wide for him, so it would do him good to start an interaction with them to pump up new material ahead of time to bring back the non loons that loved him, but have moved on.

[Foolish Heart]

Steve Perry seemingly has Randy Jackson and David Cooke at his disposal. If he puts out something that's even moderately good and does a cameo or two with Cooke and sings on AI you will see sales in the millions. David Cooke is probably the hottest thing going and AI is probably the best marketing tool for music in the last 100 years. Put those two together with "the dude that sings Don't Stop Believin" and you'll have some monstrous sales. This is of course assuming that Perry puts out something that's hot. I have always maintained that there's a starved audience that's been waiting for this guy to sing again and I also think that there's a very large young demographic that would check out anything that "the dude that sings Don't Stop Believin'" puts out.

I believe there is a much bigger "starved audience" and "large young demographic" then we all think.............

[bluejeangirl76]

and I also think that there's a very large young demographic that would check out anything that "the dude that sings Don't Stop Believin'" puts out.

I swear to you all... the same instant I was reading THAT line ^... the damn thing came on the radio.

[annie89509]

Number, one just having the loyal fan base that he has will be a huge factor; Number two He will have to start courting the media; he's gonna have to learn to trust them; the media of yesterday no longer exist; there's a whole new breed of media personalities today; Number three, he's gonna have to start openly interacting with the other band members, openly embracing Arnel as a friend would help pull in a stronger Asian fanbase, just as Arnel being Journey's frontman has done for them, and finally marketing, the younger generation has money but we have more money, and we (fans) love exposing our children to the best; that's two generations right there alone with a third coming up fast, My grandchildren know more about Journey and Steve Perry than need be. They can tell a journey/Perry song from another room in three notes, they have their own personal favorites; because they were exposed to journey at a young age. JMO.

Not laughing at you, Annpea, but this point is so far-fetched it made me lol . I don't think he would need to do that as he already has a sizeable Japanese fanbase that reveres him and most definitely remembers his time with Journey. Have Sony spread the word, and I'll bet he'll sell loads of copies (at least in Japan).

It's all about touring. No tour = No Sony = No marketing.
Japanese fans loved Journey Pre ROR. Steve Perry sans Journey is a different matter. I'm not saying he should not put anything out but Millions of units selling is just not realistic.

See, I don't get this perception that people suddenly got turned off to Journey when ROR was released. So, they only sold 4m copies vs. 6m for Frontiers vs. 10m for Escape (or whatever the figures were/are). There was a definite decline in interest as the years went by, so far as sales figures go ..., maybe because Journey had peaked in '83 (and not because of any change in musical direction).

I know .... many American J fans despised ROR because it didn't "rock" enough ... but general feedback tells me many music fans in Europe, Asia, and Australia loved ROR. Some there even considered ROR 2nd only to Escape as best they ever recorded.

[WIX]

Success is defined as having a 12" Penise and knowing where to put it.

How this relates to music I do not know, but it relates to a mans success.

If a man is sticking it in all the wrong places, the 12" Penise is a burden and not a Gift !!

God Bless everyone here on this board !

[Don]

Number, one just having the loyal fan base that he has will be a huge factor; Number two He will have to start courting the media; he's gonna have to learn to trust them; the media of yesterday no longer exist; there's a whole new breed of media personalities today; Number three, he's gonna have to start openly interacting with the other band members, openly embracing Arnel as a friend would help pull in a stronger Asian fanbase, just as Arnel being Journey's frontman has done for them, and finally marketing, the younger generation has money but we have more money, and we (fans) love exposing our children to the best; that's two generations right there alone with a third coming up fast, My grandchildren know more about Journey and Steve Perry than need be. They can tell a journey/Perry song from another room in three notes, they have their own personal favorites; because they were exposed to journey at a young age. JMO.

Not laughing at you, Annpea, but this point is so far-fetched it made me lol . I don't think he would need to do that as he already has a sizeable Japanese fanbase that reveres him and most definitely remembers his time with Journey. Have Sony spread the word, and I'll bet he'll sell loads of copies (at least in Japan).

It's all about touring. No tour = No Sony = No marketing.
Japanese fans loved Journey Pre ROR. Steve Perry sans Journey is a different matter. I'm not saying he should not put anything out but Millions of units selling is just not realistic.

See, I don't get this perception that people suddenly got turned off to Journey when ROR was released. So, they only sold 4m copies vs. 6m for Frontiers vs. 10m for Escape (or whatever the figures were/are). There was a definite decline in interest as the years went by, so far as sales figures go ..., maybe because Journey had peaked in '83 (and not because of any change in musical direction).

I know .... many American J fans despised ROR because it didn't "rock" enough ... but general feedback tells me many music fans in Europe, Asia, and Australia loved ROR. Some there even considered ROR 2nd only to Escape as best they ever recorded.

I was in Japan during that time and after. Hairbands were all the rage over there in 1986 and Journey was going the opposite direction including almost NO Japanese tour dates for the Album and a new sound that was not anything like Bon Jovi, Winger or the the other groups that were catching the attention of the Japanese press at that time. Aerosmith, Guns and Roses and Poison were all getting promotion while Journey faded into the backround. 80-84, Journey owned Japan, after that, they fell off the map.

[Saint John]

Success is defined as having a 12" Penise and knowing where to put it.

How this relates to music I do not know, but it relates to a mans success.

If a man is sticking it in all the wrong places, the 12" Penise is a burden and not a Gift !!

God Bless everyone here on this board !

lol..you are fucking insane, man!!! Thanks for the laugh.

[Tito]

Success is defined as having a 12" Penise and knowing where to put it.

How this relates to music I do not know, but it relates to a mans success.

If a man is sticking it in all the wrong places, the 12" Penise is a burden and not a Gift !!

God Bless everyone here on this board !

[annie89509]

Number, one just having the loyal fan base that he has will be a huge factor; Number two He will have to start courting the media; he's gonna have to learn to trust them; the media of yesterday no longer exist; there's a whole new breed of media personalities today; Number three, he's gonna have to start openly interacting with the other band members, openly embracing Arnel as a friend would help pull in a stronger Asian fanbase, just as Arnel being Journey's frontman has done for them, and finally marketing, the younger generation has money but we have more money, and we (fans) love exposing our children to the best; that's two generations right there alone with a third coming up fast, My grandchildren know more about Journey and Steve Perry than need be. They can tell a journey/Perry song from another room in three notes, they have their own personal favorites; because they were exposed to journey at a young age. JMO.

Not laughing at you, Annpea, but this point is so far-fetched it made me lol . I don't think he would need to do that as he already has a sizeable Japanese fanbase that reveres him and most definitely remembers his time with Journey. Have Sony spread the word, and I'll bet he'll sell loads of copies (at least in Japan).

It's all about touring. No tour = No Sony = No marketing.
Japanese fans loved Journey Pre ROR. Steve Perry sans Journey is a different matter. I'm not saying he should not put anything out but Millions of units selling is just not realistic.

See, I don't get this perception that people suddenly got turned off to Journey when ROR was released. So, they only sold 4m copies vs. 6m for Frontiers vs. 10m for Escape (or whatever the figures were/are). There was a definite decline in interest as the years went by, so far as sales figures go ..., maybe because Journey had peaked in '83 (and not because of any change in musical direction).

I know .... many American J fans despised ROR because it didn't "rock" enough ... but general feedback tells me many music fans in Europe, Asia, and Australia loved ROR. Some there even considered ROR 2nd only to Escape as best they ever recorded.

I was in Japan during that time and after. Hairbands were all the rage over there in 1986 and Journey was going the opposite direction including almost NO Japanese tour dates for the Album and a new sound that was not anything like Bon Jovi, Winger or the the other groups that were catching the attention of the Japanese press at that time. Aerosmith, Guns and Roses and Poison were all getting promotion while Journey faded into the backround. 80-84, Journey owned Japan, after that, they fell off the map.

okay, I see your point.

[DracIsBack]

Does a Perry solo album come close to matching Revelation in sales? In all honesty I dont think it does because of the Arnel media blitz and the name Journey not being attached...

I don't think it will either, but not just for the reasons you list. Frankly, I don't think Revelation was a hit because of either Arnel or the Journey name.

Take away the DVD of greatest hits (packed with Perry era tunes). Take away the CD of Arnel singing greatest hits (that Perry made famous). Take away the "2 CDs and a DVD for peanuts" price point.

What you're left with is something similar saleswise to Journey with Steve Augeri.

[annpea]

Number, one just having the loyal fan base that he has will be a huge factor; Number two He will have to start courting the media; he's gonna have to learn to trust them; the media of yesterday no longer exist; there's a whole new breed of media personalities today; Number three, he's gonna have to start openly interacting with the other band members, openly embracing Arnel as a friend would help pull in a stronger Asian fanbase, just as Arnel being Journey's frontman has done for them, and finally marketing, the younger generation has money but we have more money, and we (fans) love exposing our children to the best; that's two generations right there alone with a third coming up fast, My grandchildren know more about Journey and Steve Perry than need be. They can tell a journey/Perry song from another room in three notes, they have their own personal favorites; because they were exposed to journey at a young age. JMO.

Not laughing at you, Annpea, but this point is so far-fetched it made me lol . I don't think he would need to do that as he already has a sizeable Japanese fanbase that reveres him and most definitely remembers his time with Journey. Have Sony spread the word, and I'll bet he'll sell loads of copies (at least in Japan).

I think, Japan is not the only Asian fanbased country; and a theory is just what it is a theory; and my theory is that some fences need to mended and some new bridges need to be crossed, thus creating a strong base of support that each one could fall back on if need be. I, also said *openly* because I cannot blindly believe that they don't interact on some level that we the fans don't and probably never will know of; a divided fanbase is no different than any broken home someone's gonna come out short changed. A connected fanbase will support both without all the God damned confusion that's floating around at this time.

[peridactyl]

Success is defined as having a 12" Penise and knowing where to put it.

How this relates to music I do not know, but it relates to a mans success.

If a man is sticking it in all the wrong places, the 12" Penise is a burden and not a Gift !!

God Bless everyone here on this board !

Are you referring to THIS:

(check out 2:44)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv5v4stC6OA

[bluejeangirl76]

Success is defined as having a 12" Penise and knowing where to put it.

How this relates to music I do not know, but it relates to a mans success.

If a man is sticking it in all the wrong places, the 12" Penise is a burden and not a Gift !!

God Bless everyone here on this board !

Are you referring to THIS:

(check out 2:44)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv5v4stC6OA

Wow. I didn't even need to click that to know what it is.
Are we seriously posting exact timestamps to oogle Steve Perry's dick now?

That's just kind of...

[Jana]

Does a Perry solo album come close to matching Revelation in sales? In all honesty I dont think it does because of the Arnel media blitz and the name Journey not being attached...

But... Steve Perry does have the name Journey attached because he made it what it was to start with. You basically never hear Journey talked about with the words "Steve Perry" coming into it. And you never hear Steve Perry talked about without the word "Journey". "Former lead singer of Journey..." or "Steve Perry of Journey..." He's got that name attached whether he wants it or not.

Does that mean it would sell the way Revelation did? Well... Strange Medicine hit 500,000 and so did Revelation (we're talking physical copies, not gold vs. platinum status). Yes I know, Strange Medicine was 14 years ago... would he hit or surpass the same numbers today? Proper marketing, the availability of digital downloads... could happen. If its done right, yes, it could match or pass Revelation.

You're right, BJG, but Steve did the FTLOSM tour. So it would entail Steve Perry really supporting a new album and getting out there and touring and making appearances and promoting it, and I just don't see that happening. Maybe if 12 years had not gone by, I would have thought possibly. But that's a long time without releasing anything or singing, and he is 60. But I believe he could release an album and not tour and it still be pretty successful. As far as the amount of copies sold without touring, I have no clue. I'll leave that up to someone else to make a guess.

[bluejeangirl76]

Does a Perry solo album come close to matching Revelation in sales? In all honesty I dont think it does because of the Arnel media blitz and the name Journey not being attached...

But... Steve Perry does have the name Journey attached because he made it what it was to start with. You basically never hear Journey talked about with the words "Steve Perry" coming into it. And you never hear Steve Perry talked about without the word "Journey". "Former lead singer of Journey..." or "Steve Perry of Journey..." He's got that name attached whether he wants it or not.

Does that mean it would sell the way Revelation did? Well... Strange Medicine hit 500,000 and so did Revelation (we're talking physical copies, not gold vs. platinum status). Yes I know, Strange Medicine was 14 years ago... would he hit or surpass the same numbers today? Proper marketing, the availability of digital downloads... could happen. If its done right, yes, it could match or pass Revelation.

You're right, BJG, but Steve did the FTLOSM tour. So it would entail Steve Perry really supporting a new album and getting out there and touring and making appearances and promoting it, and I just don't see that happening. Maybe if 12 years had not gone by, I would have thought possibly. But that's a long time without releasing anything or singing, and he is 60. But I believe he could release an album and not tour and it still be pretty successful. As far as the amount of copies sold without touring, I have no clue. I'll leave that up to someone else to make a guess.

Well no one knows for sure, all we can do it pretend we know what we're talking about and guess all day. But I don't accept people using his age as a reason why he wouldn't/couldn't do something. Roger Daltrey is almost 65 and he still does it. He's gonna brain himself good with that fucking mic one of these days the way he still swings it like its 1970 but that's not the point. Frankie Valli has to be older than god and he still does it too. All these guys that are upwards of 60 have taken 5, 10 plus years off and came back to it, so I don't see a reason why he couldn't if he wanted to.

[Jana]

Does a Perry solo album come close to matching Revelation in sales? In all honesty I dont think it does because of the Arnel media blitz and the name Journey not being attached...

But... Steve Perry does have the name Journey attached because he made it what it was to start with. You basically never hear Journey talked about with the words "Steve Perry" coming into it. And you never hear Steve Perry talked about without the word "Journey". "Former lead singer of Journey..." or "Steve Perry of Journey..." He's got that name attached whether he wants it or not.

Does that mean it would sell the way Revelation did? Well... Strange Medicine hit 500,000 and so did Revelation (we're talking physical copies, not gold vs. platinum status). Yes I know, Strange Medicine was 14 years ago... would he hit or surpass the same numbers today? Proper marketing, the availability of digital downloads... could happen. If its done right, yes, it could match or pass Revelation.

You're right, BJG, but Steve did the FTLOSM tour. So it would entail Steve Perry really supporting a new album and getting out there and touring and making appearances and promoting it, and I just don't see that happening. Maybe if 12 years had not gone by, I would have thought possibly. But that's a long time without releasing anything or singing, and he is 60. But I believe he could release an album and not tour and it still be pretty successful. As far as the amount of copies sold without touring, I have no clue. I'll leave that up to someone else to make a guess.

Well no one knows for sure, all we can do it pretend we know what we're talking about and guess all day. But I don't accept people using his age as a reason why he wouldn't/couldn't do something. Roger Daltrey is almost 65 and he still does it. He's gonna brain himself good with that fucking mic one of these days the way he still swings it like its 1970 but that's not the point. Frankie Valli has to be older than god and he still does it too. All these guys that are upwards of 60 have taken 5, 10 plus years off and came back to it, so I don't see a reason why he couldn't if he wanted to.

Good point, BJG. If he wanted to, contrary to what some say, I still believe his voice is good enough to do it. I just mentioned his age in regards to how much time has passed with no move towards it. But, hey, he may feel better now than when he was 50. If we see photos of him out running or working out in the gym, we'll know he's getting ready for a tour

[Don]

Good point, BJG. If he wanted to, contrary to what some say, I still believe his voice is good enough to do it. I just mentioned his age in regards to how much time has passed with no move towards it. But, hey, he may feel better now than when he was 50. If we see photos of him out running or working out in the gym, we'll know he's getting ready for a tour

Where, to Dairy Queen?

[bluejeangirl76]

Good point, BJG. If he wanted to, contrary to what some say, I still believe his voice is good enough to do it. I just mentioned his age in regards to how much time has passed with no move towards it. But, hey, he may feel better now than when he was 50. If we see photos of him out running or working out in the gym, we'll know he's getting ready for a tour

Where, to Dairy Queen?

Hey.

He's a Cold Stone guy.

[Jana]

Good point, BJG. If he wanted to, contrary to what some say, I still believe his voice is good enough to do it. I just mentioned his age in regards to how much time has passed with no move towards it. But, hey, he may feel better now than when he was 50. If we see photos of him out running or working out in the gym, we'll know he's getting ready for a tour

Where, to Dairy Queen?

Hey.

He's a Cold Stone guy.

[Don]

If I ever see him at Cinnabon, I'm snapping a picture, whether he likes it or not.

[S2M]

If I ever see him at Cinnabon, I'm snapping a picture, whether he likes it or not.

He seems like a Bed, Bath, & Beyond type of chap......

[Rhiannon]

You're all wrong. He hangs out at the adoption center in Petsmart.