OT: I need a new car. Help me out... foreign or domestic?

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If you were to buy a new car right now, would it be foreign (non-USA) or domestic (USA)?

I would buy a U.S. vehicle and not worry about their potential looming bankruptcy.
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I would buy a non-U.S. vehicle because it would be too risky to buy a U.S. vehicle.
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Postby strangegrey » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:50 pm

In 2001, I bought a Buick Regal GS. I was enamored with the supercharger under the hood...and the car really had some get up and go. However, since the day I drove it off the lot, there was a rattle behind the dashboard. I brought the car back no less than 6 seperate times...and they couldn;'t find the rattle. 4 of those times resulted in complete removal of the dashboard.

Here's some more distubing scenarios with this car:

The horn incident
One evening at 4 in the morning, a police officer is knocking on my door. He informs me that my car alarm had been ringing for an hour and that it just sounded like the battery died. He was right, the battery WAS dead...but he was also wrong. It was the horn, not the alarm. The car horn was somehow stuck on....as soon as I hooked it up to my wifes car to give it a jumpstart, the horn start blaring....I drove this car from my house 5 miles to my buick dealer with the horn stuck in the on position...Incidentally, for those of you that would say "just pull the fuse"..I couldn't even do that, because the fuse for the horn was on the same circuit as the fucking fuel pump! How's that for idiotic engineering!!! :roll:

The car was fixed two days later, after they replaced the entire steering wheel loaded horn assembly, including the air bag and all of the electronics. exactly 1 week later...I get that same knock on the door from that same police man. I shit you not...same problem...

It took a total of 2 additional returns over the course of that winter to service to get the problem solved....

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my driverside window stopped working. I had it in for service the following day. They fixed it that afternoon...and I drove it home. As I'm driving home, I pull down the window...sure enough it works. I hit the button for the passenger side front window...that one doesnt work. I freak out...try the other windows...they work fine. I drive it back the next morning and demand that they not only fix the window on the passenger side, but make sure there are no problems with the rear 2 windows that have yet to break. "Sure, no problem" they tell me...

I get back to the dealer later that evening...get in my car and try the passenger side window. works fine...so does the drivers side. Before I drive off the lot, Icheck the rear windows. Both BROKEN.

The car stayed there for another 4 days...they had to remove and replace the entire wiring harness going to the windows.


Since then, I have only driven Hondas. Seriously....I wont fucking touch another car other than a Honda or a Toyota. I've never had one problem with any of my Hondas....one has 2X the clocked miles that my buick had...and all I've had to do is change the oil on a frequent basis.


If you want to buy an american car because you've got some hang up about being a patriot...or have a grand daddy that used to kill japs during WWII and would be rolling in his grave he he knew you bought a Honda....well, then, all I can say is sorry.....because if you're that pig headed to remain hog tied to a 35 year failed auto industry in this country, you've got bigger problems.



While people will counter with "but hondas are made in this country too...american cars cant be all that bad"....you need to recognize that the problem with the american car industry is its QC standards and its entitlement programs. Americans make good cars....but even americans dont give a fuck when they have a guaranteed job, gauranteed pension and are working for a company that cares more about reporting earnings through fake accounting and cooked books...than it does delivering a solid product.



I'm sure some of you have heard the stories about american cars getting returned to the dealer after rattles have been noticed in the quarter panels.....turns out, someone on a GM line was sneaking into work with beer every day and the only way to dispose of the cans without getting caught, is to drop the cans into areas in the cars where the welds would be sealed....Try and sit there with a straight face and tell me that this would happen on a Honda or Toyota line as well? You cant.....but deep down in your gut, you can see this happening on a GM line...and that's what's scary.


It's a waste of money to buy an american car....just because it's american. Not only that, but you're doing the industry NO good. Thinking you're a patriot because you're "buying american" is stupid...



...what's american about this process...is the vetting out of industry. It's darwinism for corporate america. Sometimes businesses fail. They fuck up...and fail. For 30 years, the Big 3 american auto manufacturers have been failing....only to survive through fraudulant means.

As an american, your duty, first and foremost, is to buy the BETTER product. That's free enterprise. That's capitalism. That's what matters. It forces those that are not making the better product, to do so....and it rewards the hard work of those making the better product.

Blindly supporting the fucked american car manufacturers, just because you think it's patriotic....is ironically, more like comunism. Forced support of an industry....


It's not right.




As americans, you need to stop buying shit. That goes for chinese crap, american cars, shitty lying weasel republican douchebags from arizona, dope smoking president-elects from chicago....it doesnt matter....

...this country's dying because people have become complacent and have been supporting the wrong things in all the wrong ways.



The japanese auto industry is actually one of the better run industries in the world. It's tooled for flexibility. It's well-budgeted. It takes care of it's workers, foreign and domestic...and it makes a good product.


Why the fuck would you buy a car from a company, just because it's american...when the company has been misappropriating funds for 30 years, bowing to union pressure, maintaining a drunkard workforce (due to the company's unwillingness to tell the unions to fuck off), releasing shitty products, etc??!?!?!?!

That's not patriotism....that's buying a product that doesn't work, because it's for the good of the state.....how fucking ludicrous.



What's sad is most of the people that would chest thump and vag-flap about buying an american car....would probably spit through their teeth that they are more hardy americans than most......but they certainly dont act like it.


You want to buy american? Buy a product that works. That's free enterprise!
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Postby WIX » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:53 pm

option 3


I will buy a 1989 jeep for 3000 and if it breaks down so what !
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Postby strangegrey » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:59 pm

WIX wrote:option 3


I will buy a 1989 jeep for 3000 and if it breaks down so what !



If?! You're sure as shit an optimist!!! ;)
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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:45 am

Saint John wrote:how much do you weigh now??? :shock:



About a scosh north of a box of Oreos :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:
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Re: OT: I need a new car. Help me out... foreign or domestic

Postby Enigma869 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:48 am

Rhiannon wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:(I hate ALL Jeeps)


How'd I miss this? You just like everything good and pure about the world? :P



I bought my wife a Jeep Liberty when we lived in North Carolina, and the lack of cargo space in that thing was astonishing! We could barely fit a gallon of milk in the tailgate :shock: Also, the Jeep line is the most guilty line of automobiles in the industry with horrendous gas mileage. I don't believe they make a single model that is remotely respectable in the gas mileage department.
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Re: OT: I need a new car. Help me out... foreign or domestic

Postby Rhiannon » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:01 am

Enigma869 wrote:I bought my wife a Jeep Liberty when we lived in North Carolina


I had an '06 Liberty Renegade that I bought in NC, too... small world! :P

We could barely fit a gallon of milk in the tailgate :shock:


You're exaggerating, Sir! :lol:

I don't believe they make a single model that is remotely respectable in the gas mileage department.


I do agree with you in general, but that is why you never buy automatics! My Liberty was a 6-cylinder/3.7 but it was a 6-speed manual and I got close to 30 mpg on the highway! Loved that thing! Never had a single problem out of it at all, except for the tire I put a leak in off-roading and the cracked windshield courtesy of a gravel truck going up I-77.

I think, in order to have a Jeep, and like having a Jeep, you have to just be a dopey Jeep person. And I am. :D
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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:14 am

When I was young and dumb, I owned a Jeep Wrangler. That thing was the biggest hunk of shit ever built. A fucking square box with ZERO aerodynamics. The thing honestly could not go over 60MPH, even with the gas pedal floored. True story...I once got out of a speeding ticket by proving my Wrangler couldn't go over 60MPH. After driving a Wrangler, a fucking Yugo would feel like a Cadillac. Then I tried taking the hard top off by myself one day (because it was REALLY nice out and I just had to go to the beach). I didn't realize it was a two person job and nearly killed myself :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Postby Saint John » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:49 am

strangegrey wrote:
I'm sure some of you have heard the stories about american cars getting returned to the dealer after rattles have been noticed in the quarter panels.....turns out, someone on a GM line was sneaking into work with beer every day and the only way to dispose of the cans without getting caught, is to drop the cans into areas in the cars where the welds would be sealed....Try and sit there with a straight face and tell me that this would happen on a Honda or Toyota line as well? You cant.....but deep down in your gut, you can see this happening on a GM line...and that's what's scary.






Why the fuck would you buy a car from a company, just because it's american...when the company has been misappropriating funds for 30 years, bowing to union pressure, maintaining a drunkard workforce (due to the company's unwillingness to tell the unions to fuck off), releasing shitty products, etc??!?!?!?!


lol...I have a buddy that drinks a 12 pack every day with one of his co-workers during lunch period at Ford. Additionally, and I know some of you will find this hard to believe but it is a fact...the same guy actually smokes pot on the assembly line at Ford motor company. When he was finally yelled at by his supervisor he merely told him "Fuck off you non-union asshole." I don't believe he was ever reprimanded either. I live a half mile from the Ford plant in Chicago and I have long heard stories of prostitues, gambling, drinking and crack smoking. I'll find the article...below is only a tiny fraction of what was going on there. They had their own "Lotto" and guys passing out "parlay cards." The link after the excerpt also brings up a lot of other alarming shit.


Meanwhile, in August, 1998, Chicago police broke up a late-night party in the assembly plant parking lot that allegedly featured strippers and prostitutes. Female workers say male co-workers routinely pass around photos of lewd behavior at employee parties on and off Ford premises. A spokesperson says such displays are ''unacceptable.''

http://www.businessweek.com/careers/con ... 655145.htm
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:22 am

Saint John wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
I'm sure some of you have heard the stories about american cars getting returned to the dealer after rattles have been noticed in the quarter panels.....turns out, someone on a GM line was sneaking into work with beer every day and the only way to dispose of the cans without getting caught, is to drop the cans into areas in the cars where the welds would be sealed....Try and sit there with a straight face and tell me that this would happen on a Honda or Toyota line as well? You cant.....but deep down in your gut, you can see this happening on a GM line...and that's what's scary.






Why the fuck would you buy a car from a company, just because it's american...when the company has been misappropriating funds for 30 years, bowing to union pressure, maintaining a drunkard workforce (due to the company's unwillingness to tell the unions to fuck off), releasing shitty products, etc??!?!?!?!


lol...I have a buddy that drinks a 12 pack every day with one of his co-workers during lunch period at Ford. Additionally, and I know some of you will find this hard to believe but it is a fact...the same guy actually smokes pot on the assembly line at Ford motor company. When he was finally yelled at by his supervisor he merely told him "Fuck off you non-union asshole." I don't believe he was ever reprimanded either. I live a half mile from the Ford plant in Chicago and I have long heard stories of prostitues, gambling, drinking and crack smoking. I'll find the article...below is only a tiny fraction of what was going on there. They had their own "Lotto" and guys passing out "parlay cards." The link after the excerpt also brings up a lot of other alarming shit.


Meanwhile, in August, 1998, Chicago police broke up a late-night party in the assembly plant parking lot that allegedly featured strippers and prostitutes. Female workers say male co-workers routinely pass around photos of lewd behavior at employee parties on and off Ford premises. A spokesperson says such displays are ''unacceptable.''

http://www.businessweek.com/careers/con ... 655145.htm
Thats fucked up. I wouldnt own a Ford anyway.Other than the mustang, there cars look gay,like a beige malibu
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Postby StevePerryHair » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:56 am

Saint John wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
I'm sure some of you have heard the stories about american cars getting returned to the dealer after rattles have been noticed in the quarter panels.....turns out, someone on a GM line was sneaking into work with beer every day and the only way to dispose of the cans without getting caught, is to drop the cans into areas in the cars where the welds would be sealed....Try and sit there with a straight face and tell me that this would happen on a Honda or Toyota line as well? You cant.....but deep down in your gut, you can see this happening on a GM line...and that's what's scary.






Why the fuck would you buy a car from a company, just because it's american...when the company has been misappropriating funds for 30 years, bowing to union pressure, maintaining a drunkard workforce (due to the company's unwillingness to tell the unions to fuck off), releasing shitty products, etc??!?!?!?!


lol...I have a buddy that drinks a 12 pack every day with one of his co-workers during lunch period at Ford. Additionally, and I know some of you will find this hard to believe but it is a fact...the same guy actually smokes pot on the assembly line at Ford motor company. When he was finally yelled at by his supervisor he merely told him "Fuck off you non-union asshole." I don't believe he was ever reprimanded either. I live a half mile from the Ford plant in Chicago and I have long heard stories of prostitues, gambling, drinking and crack smoking. I'll find the article...below is only a tiny fraction of what was going on there. They had their own "Lotto" and guys passing out "parlay cards." The link after the excerpt also brings up a lot of other alarming shit.


Meanwhile, in August, 1998, Chicago police broke up a late-night party in the assembly plant parking lot that allegedly featured strippers and prostitutes. Female workers say male co-workers routinely pass around photos of lewd behavior at employee parties on and off Ford premises. A spokesperson says such displays are ''unacceptable.''

http://www.businessweek.com/careers/con ... 655145.htm


Maybe these stories will help me feel less bad when the start getting laid off :P :lol:
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Postby WIX » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:59 am

I scored an 1989 Jeep Woody Grand Wagoneer original 80k near mint interior, the Cats Meow of Classics. On craiglist for a low price of $3000. Shit I scored!
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Postby Rick » Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:04 am

WIX wrote:I scored an 1989 Jeep Woody Grand Wagoneer original 80k near mint interior, the Cats Meow of Classics. On craiglist for a low price of $3000. Shit I scored!


You keep riding around in that bad baby and you'll continue to score. {If you know what I mean} ;)
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Postby Jana » Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:05 am

I've only owned foreign cars for years. Their value is so much better when you go to sell or trade in. My cars never seem to break down. Well, a Nissan I once owned did have a few problems. Why don't you try a Toyota 4-Runner. Great SUV. But I have several friends who have Ford Explorers and love them and said they don't have any problems at all. Dodge Durangos have terrible gas mileage.
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Postby Don » Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:17 am

WIX wrote:I scored an 1989 Jeep Woody Grand Wagoneer original 80k near mint interior, the Cats Meow of Classics. On craiglist for a low price of $3000. Shit I scored!


Here in L.A., most Wagoneers (along with Rav4s and Xterras for that matter) have little rainbow stickers in their back windows.
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:26 am

Gunbot wrote:
WIX wrote:I scored an 1989 Jeep Woody Grand Wagoneer original 80k near mint interior, the Cats Meow of Classics. On craiglist for a low price of $3000. Shit I scored!


Here in L.A., most Wagoneers (along with Rav4s and Xterras for that matter) have little rainbow stickers in their back windows.
The last vehicle on my street with a rainbow sticker on it was found in a ditch @ 3:00 am
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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:33 am

Jana wrote: Dodge Durangos have terrible gas mileage.


Not mine. Only a 6 cylinder and not 4 wheel drive! Mileage is quite reasonable. Thankfully, my wife only works 2 miles from the house, so gas mileage isn't even a thought for us.
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Postby Granny » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:34 pm

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Postby WIX » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:24 am

Rick wrote:
WIX wrote:I scored an 1989 Jeep Woody Grand Wagoneer original 80k near mint interior, the Cats Meow of Classics. On craiglist for a low price of $3000. Shit I scored!


You keep riding around in that bad baby and you'll continue to score. {If you know what I mean} ;)


yes sir, the Aspen Cadillac, score with snow THE bunnies. SCORE! and who did I see, Emilio Estevez, The MIGHTY DUCKMAN!


as far as the rainbow stickers, whats wrong with getting high if you have access to it?

Besides It gives me a big woody to drive (where ever I want) while I park my Magnum and rest the 20" bling for the winter.

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