New Perry effort...

[larryfromnextdoor]

And BTW, it's not like they sound incredible on their albums, either.

A lot of them were mouseketeers .

are you making fun of annette? annette in one generation ,, and lisa welch in the other..

ehwmatt is making fun of this.... ugh.... just foolin .. dude..

[Don]

And BTW, it's not like they sound incredible on their albums, either.

A lot of them were mouseketeers .

are you making fun of annette? annette in one generation ,, and lisa welch in the other..

ehwmatt is making fun of this.... ugh.... just foolin .. dude..

Annette is really struggling with MS. I remember watching her movies with my grandparents. Time and health have been very cruel to her.

[Jana]

And BTW, it's not like they sound incredible on their albums, either.

A lot of them were mouseketeers and got selected because they actually could sing well enough to be on T.V. It's not like they were talentless kids who got lucky.

I don't disagree with you

Britney could sing when she was younger. I've seen clips of her at 13 belting out songs, but something has happened. Now on her last album her voice didn't even sound real most of the time with all the stuff they used. My niece and her friends pointed it out to me and that she never sings live. She only lipsynchs and has done that for many, many years. When a person can't get up and sing one song without lipsynching there's something wrong with that picture. It doesn't mean she can't make a cool club album with great beats, but live don't expect any real singing. Her new CD I haven't heard yet except the youtube clip one song. But at 27 where will she go eventually with her career if she can only lipsynch? Maybe all that smoking didn't help.

[Don]

And BTW, it's not like they sound incredible on their albums, either.

A lot of them were mouseketeers and got selected because they actually could sing well enough to be on T.V. It's not like they were talentless kids who got lucky.

I don't disagree with you

Britney could sing when she was younger. I've seen clips of her at 13 belting out songs, but something has happened. Now on her last album her voice didn't even sound real most of the time with all the stuff they used. My niece and her friends pointed it out to me and that she never sings live. She only lipsynchs and has done that for many, many years. When a person can't get up and sing one song without lipsynching there's something wrong with that picture. It doesn't mean she can't make a cool club album with great beats, but live don't expect any real singing. Her new CD I haven't heard yet except the youtube clip one song. But at 27 where will she go eventually with her career if she can only lipsynch? Maybe all that smoking didn't help.

Perry loons will tell you that singing live is over rated.

[Matthew]

And BTW, it's not like they sound incredible on their albums, either.

A lot of them were mouseketeers and got selected because they actually could sing well enough to be on T.V. It's not like they were talentless kids who got lucky.

I don't disagree with you

Britney could sing when she was younger. I've seen clips of her at 13 belting out songs, but something has happened. Now on her last album her voice didn't even sound real most of the time with all the stuff they used. My niece and her friends pointed it out to me and that she never sings live. She only lipsynchs and has done that for many, many years. When a person can't get up and sing one song without lipsynching there's something wrong with that picture. It doesn't mean she can't make a cool club album with great beats, but live don't expect any real singing. Her new CD I haven't heard yet except the youtube clip one song. But at 27 where will she go eventually with her career if she can only lipsynch? Maybe all that smoking didn't help.

Perry loons will tell you that singing live is over rated.

It is!

[Matthew]

Matthew,

It was a joke. Hence the smiley.
My serious sentiment is in the post immediately following what you quoted.

Hey WD - I think I was quoting a remark from Saint John - so no offense taken.

It all comes down to the assertion that he can't sing anymore, for whatever
reason. Right now there's only the absence of proof that he can --save to a
number of individuals who've told of hearing him sing privately, and claimed
that Perry still has it

There's no proof he can't either - other than perhaps one dodgy bootleg from the FTLOSM tour and a post-match sing-a-long at the World Series. It's pure speculation either way.

My own view though is that Perry can still sing - but not consistently. If he were to tour then we could get one superb number and then he'd croak up on the next one. No evidence to support this. Just a hunch...

[skinsguy]

I say, if the man wants to work behind the scenes or if he wants to be retired from writing albums and touring, let him do so without us having to speculate. Doesn't mean we can't debate on Perry's career, but debating on things about the guy that we as fans have no idea and proof on seems to me kind of silly. Just my opinion, though, but I see people getting kind of worked up on Perry's present abilities when neither on either side of the debate knows the truth. Maybe Lora and Cyndy are the only ones who know for sure, but even still, the rest of us haven't heard Perry sing with our own two years in a long time (and I'm not talking about backing vocals either!)

[RockitRide]

And BTW, it's not like they sound incredible on their albums, either.

A lot of them were mouseketeers and got selected because they actually could sing well enough to be on T.V. It's not like they were talentless kids who got lucky.

I don't disagree with you

Britney could sing when she was younger. I've seen clips of her at 13 belting out songs, but something has happened. Now on her last album her voice didn't even sound real most of the time with all the stuff they used. My niece and her friends pointed it out to me and that she never sings live. She only lipsynchs and has done that for many, many years. When a person can't get up and sing one song without lipsynching there's something wrong with that picture. It doesn't mean she can't make a cool club album with great beats, but live don't expect any real singing. Her new CD I haven't heard yet except the youtube clip one song. But at 27 where will she go eventually with her career if she can only lipsynch? Maybe all that smoking didn't help.

Perry loons will tell you that singing live is over rated.

It is!

Singing live is all that matters when it comes to measuring the quality of a voice and the ability of the singer. Recordings are no substitute for a live performance, at least from a singers perspective. I have sung live and on recording. Having unlimited takes in a recording studio is no comparison to the ability to execute live in front of an audience. Unfortunately no one cares about the quality of a voice and that is why radio sounds like it does. You can take so many hours of video and splice together nine 1,2,3 innings from the worst pitcher in baseball and make it look like he pitched a perfect game.

[Saint John]

You can take so many hours of video and splice together nine 1,2,3 innings from the worst pitcher in baseball and make it look like he pitched a perfect game.

Which is exactly why TBF and FTLOSM took so long to record.

[Marabelle]

and which is why he will not ever sing live more than once or twice if that many times again. touring is too exhausting and it is doubtful his voice would be capable of a tour and at his age why would he want to do that to his body.

[Don]

The only singers that ever appear to come back from a 10 year layoff are the one's that PBS can entice to help them with their pledges or singers that have been come destitute. I would think Perry would have done a charity show or two over the years if he felt comfortable singing. I'm sure he has been approached over the years and everyone here is always saying how he is such a kind and caring soul so for him not to to do it leads me to believe that something is amiss with his ability to perform. Dan Fogelberg lost two steps with his voice but continued to sell out shows which goes to show the fans will love you unconditionally if you don't turn your back on them too long.

[Deb]

And BTW, it's not like they sound incredible on their albums, either.

A lot of them were mouseketeers .

are you making fun of annette? annette in one generation ,, and lisa welch in the other..

ehwmatt is making fun of this.... ugh.... just foolin .. dude..

Holy crap, I gotta email that to my mom, does she ever look like her in that pic!

[Matthew]

And BTW, it's not like they sound incredible on their albums, either.

A lot of them were mouseketeers and got selected because they actually could sing well enough to be on T.V. It's not like they were talentless kids who got lucky.

I don't disagree with you

Britney could sing when she was younger. I've seen clips of her at 13 belting out songs, but something has happened. Now on her last album her voice didn't even sound real most of the time with all the stuff they used. My niece and her friends pointed it out to me and that she never sings live. She only lipsynchs and has done that for many, many years. When a person can't get up and sing one song without lipsynching there's something wrong with that picture. It doesn't mean she can't make a cool club album with great beats, but live don't expect any real singing. Her new CD I haven't heard yet except the youtube clip one song. But at 27 where will she go eventually with her career if she can only lipsynch? Maybe all that smoking didn't help.

Perry loons will tell you that singing live is over rated.

It is!

Singing live is all that matters when it comes to measuring the quality of a voice and the ability of the singer. Recordings are no substitute for a live performance, at least from a singers perspective. I have sung live and on recording. Having unlimited takes in a recording studio is no comparison to the ability to execute live in front of an audience. Unfortunately no one cares about the quality of a voice and that is why radio sounds like it does. You can take so many hours of video and splice together nine 1,2,3 innings from the worst pitcher in baseball and make it look like he pitched a perfect game.

Well..however you want to measure it...Steve Perry was the greatest singer of his generation and why he needs to enter into some kind of trial or contest to prove his talent now to a bunch of messageboard schlubs is completely beyond me.

Also...as someone pointed out earlier...Pro Tools or any other kind of studio trickery....or even multiple takes...can only take a voice so far. It might help with pitch and range, I guess...but talent and soul just can't be simulated.

That's why I think Journey's studio back catalogue has a real value and it isn't just about those numbingly predictable concerts they do. They are all highly produced records but the brilliance of the chemistry and the musicianship is what make those records so classic. And twenty years on I listen to the studio records far more often than I do to live bootlegs...and I suspect 99% of Journey fans do the same.

Sure - knowing Perry's voice was so strong live makes him all the more impressive. But if he'd never played a live gig in his life his voice on the back catalogue would still be extraordinary.

[Matthew]

You can take so many hours of video and splice together nine 1,2,3 innings from the worst pitcher in baseball and make it look like he pitched a perfect game.

Which is exactly why TBF and FTLOSM took so long to record.

There are accounts of Perry's perfectionism on every Journey record. That's another reason why he set and reached such an incredibly high standard. TBF wasn't that drawn-out given that the band reformed in 1995 and the album came out in 1996. And from what I've read a streak of perfectionism ran through all the performances and indeed the producer's attitude too.

[Rick]

You can take so many hours of video and splice together nine 1,2,3 innings from the worst pitcher in baseball and make it look like he pitched a perfect game.

Which is exactly why TBF and FTLOSM took so long to record.

There are accounts of Perry's perfectionism on every Journey record. That's another reason why he set and reached such an incredibly high standard. TBF wasn't that drawn-out given that the band reformed in 1995 and the album came out in 1996. And from what I've read a streak of perfectionism ran through all the performances and indeed the producer's attitude too.

Yeah, there was a LOT riding on that record. No doubt everyone wanted their best effort.

[Don]

And BTW, it's not like they sound incredible on their albums, either.

A lot of them were mouseketeers and got selected because they actually could sing well enough to be on T.V. It's not like they were talentless kids who got lucky.

I don't disagree with you

Britney could sing when she was younger. I've seen clips of her at 13 belting out songs, but something has happened. Now on her last album her voice didn't even sound real most of the time with all the stuff they used. My niece and her friends pointed it out to me and that she never sings live. She only lipsynchs and has done that for many, many years. When a person can't get up and sing one song without lipsynching there's something wrong with that picture. It doesn't mean she can't make a cool club album with great beats, but live don't expect any real singing. Her new CD I haven't heard yet except the youtube clip one song. But at 27 where will she go eventually with her career if she can only lipsynch? Maybe all that smoking didn't help.

Perry loons will tell you that singing live is over rated.

It is!

Singing live is all that matters when it comes to measuring the quality of a voice and the ability of the singer. Recordings are no substitute for a live performance, at least from a singers perspective. I have sung live and on recording. Having unlimited takes in a recording studio is no comparison to the ability to execute live in front of an audience. Unfortunately no one cares about the quality of a voice and that is why radio sounds like it does. You can take so many hours of video and splice together nine 1,2,3 innings from the worst pitcher in baseball and make it look like he pitched a perfect game.

Well..however you want to measure it...Steve Perry was the greatest singer of his generation and why he needs to enter into some kind of trial or contest to prove his talent now to a bunch of messageboard schlubs is completely beyond me.

Also...as someone pointed out earlier...Pro Tools or any other kind of studio trickery....or even multiple takes...can only take a voice so far. It might help with pitch and range, I guess...but talent and soul just can't be simulated.

That's why I think Journey's studio back catalogue has a real value and it isn't just about those numbingly predictable concerts they do. They are all highly produced records but the brilliance of the chemistry and the musicianship is what make those records so classic. And twenty years on I listen to the studio records far more often than I do to live bootlegs...and I suspect 99% of Journey fans do the same.

Sure - knowing Perry's voice was so strong live makes him all the more impressive. But if he'd never played a live gig in his life his voice on the back catalogue would still be extraordinary.

Captured is still a favorite of mine, even though it's live. Steve really shined (provided overdubbing hasn't totally altered the finished product that we hear on the LP).

[Andrew]

You can take so many hours of video and splice together nine 1,2,3 innings from the worst pitcher in baseball and make it look like he pitched a perfect game.

Which is exactly why TBF and FTLOSM took so long to record.

There are accounts of Perry's perfectionism on every Journey record. That's another reason why he set and reached such an incredibly high standard. TBF wasn't that drawn-out given that the band reformed in 1995 and the album came out in 1996. And from what I've read a streak of perfectionism ran through all the performances and indeed the producer's attitude too.

Yeah, there was a LOT riding on that record. No doubt everyone wanted their best effort.

Right on both counts Rick and Matthew...

And I've heard a few studio outakes from the TBF sessions...everyone sounded like they were having a blast.

[Red13JoePa]

He alread has Elvis status

L O L

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... ic_artists

Hmmmmmm.................

SP only has "Elvis Status" to his fans. Hell, his solo career barely puts him above Lisa Marie Presley status.

[Jana]

You can take so many hours of video and splice together nine 1,2,3 innings from the worst pitcher in baseball and make it look like he pitched a perfect game.

Which is exactly why TBF and FTLOSM took so long to record.

There are accounts of Perry's perfectionism on every Journey record. That's another reason why he set and reached such an incredibly high standard. TBF wasn't that drawn-out given that the band reformed in 1995 and the album came out in 1996. And from what I've read a streak of perfectionism ran through all the performances and indeed the producer's attitude too.

Yeah, there was a LOT riding on that record. No doubt everyone wanted their best effort.

Right on both counts Rick and Matthew...

And I've heard a few studio outakes from the TBF sessions...everyone sounded like they were having a blast.

My favorite article was "Steve Smith: Journey Revisted" in Modern Drummer 1997. What an honest interview about how they got back together for this album and the chemistry between these guys in the making of TBF.

[EightyRock]

He alread has Elvis status

L O L

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... ic_artists

Hmmmmmm.................

SP only has "Elvis Status" to his fans. Hell, his solo career barely puts him above Lisa Marie Presley status.

Perry had FOUR top 40 hits off of Street Talk, Einsteins. Tell me again which one of his Journey bandmates accomplished that in their solo careers???????

[Don]

He alread has Elvis status

L O L

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... ic_artists

Hmmmmmm.................

SP only has "Elvis Status" to his fans. Hell, his solo career barely puts him above Lisa Marie Presley status.

Perry had FOUR top 40 hits off of Street Talk, Einsteins. Tell me again which one of his Journey bandmates accomplished that in their solo careers???????

I'm just being a smartass here but Bad English did have a number one song, something Journey nor Perry ever had.

[Arianddu]

Perry had FOUR top 40 hits off of Street Talk, Einsteins. Tell me again which one of his Journey bandmates accomplished that in their solo careers???????

I'm just being a smartass here but Bad English did have a number one song, something Journey nor Perry ever had.

Which was written by Diane Warren...

[finalfight]

Perry had FOUR top 40 hits off of Street Talk, Einsteins. Tell me again which one of his Journey bandmates accomplished that in their solo careers???????

I'm just being a smartass here but Bad English did have a number one song, something Journey nor Perry ever had.

Which was written by Diane Warren...

Great songwriter, prolific even.

[Ehwmatt]

Perry had FOUR top 40 hits off of Street Talk, Einsteins. Tell me again which one of his Journey bandmates accomplished that in their solo careers???????

I'm just being a smartass here but Bad English did have a number one song, something Journey nor Perry ever had.

Which was written by Diane Warren...

Great songwriter, prolific even.

Chicago - You're Not Alone

Another killer DW song

[EightyRock]

He alread has Elvis status

L O L

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... ic_artists

Hmmmmmm.................

SP only has "Elvis Status" to his fans. Hell, his solo career barely puts him above Lisa Marie Presley status.

Perry had FOUR top 40 hits off of Street Talk, Einsteins. Tell me again which one of his Journey bandmates accomplished that in their solo careers???????

I'm just being a smartass here but Bad English did have a number one song, something Journey nor Perry ever had.

Bad English was neither Cain's or Schon's band. It was John Waite's band. Compare apples to apples. Waite made all the decisions, including telling Cain that his half written instrumental piano ditty Open Arms was sappy crap. Good thing Perry liked it, told Cain "let's work on it", helped him write the words and made it famous.

[Saint John]

Let's be real here. Perry, outside of Journey, has been a complete failure. Street Talk was recorded while he was in Journey and he needed Herbie to hold his hand. Was the album good? Hell yes it was. But what happened to Perry when he went out completely on his own? 1 album that the label was embarrassed by and refused to release and the other was a colossal failure. If Perry had half the work ethic or love for music that Schon had he'd be on a stage instead of on the back of milk cartons.

[amaron]

He alread has Elvis status

L O L

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... ic_artists

Hmmmmmm.................

SP only has "Elvis Status" to his fans. Hell, his solo career barely puts him above Lisa Marie Presley status.

Perry had FOUR top 40 hits off of Street Talk, Einsteins. Tell me again which one of his Journey bandmates accomplished that in their solo careers???????

How many Journey members, other than SP, released material that was intended to be commercial?

Take your time... I'll wait.

[skinsguy]

Let's be real here. Perry, outside of Journey, has been a complete failure. Street Talk was recorded while he was in Journey and he needed Herbie to hold his hand. Was the album good? Hell yes it was. But what happened to Perry when he went out completely on his own? 1 album that the label was embarrassed by and refused to release and the other was a colossal failure. If Perry had half the work ethic or love for music that Schon had he'd be on a stage instead of on the back of milk cartons.

I have to disagree with you on that. FTLOSM wasn't a complete failure. "You Better Wait" had plenty of radio airplay during a time where grunge and alternative rock was mostly played on the radio, so that in itself is quite a success. "Missing You" wasn't played as much, but I did hear it some on the radio. Heck, I was even surprised when I heard "Tuesday, Heartache" played on the radio when I was in a restaurant one evening. I Just about choked on a french fry...lol! Now, if you're comparing it to his first solo effort and all of the Journey albums prior to this release, yeah it didn't have nearly the same amount of success, but it wasn't a complete failure.

[AlteredDNA]

He alread has Elvis status

L O L

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... ic_artists

Hmmmmmm.................

SP only has "Elvis Status" to his fans. Hell, his solo career barely puts him above Lisa Marie Presley status.

Perry had FOUR top 40 hits off of Street Talk, Einsteins. Tell me again which one of his Journey bandmates accomplished that in their solo careers???????

I'm just being a smartass here but Bad English did have a number one song, something Journey nor Perry ever had.

Bad English was neither Cain's or Schon's band. It was John Waite's band. Compare apples to apples. Waite made all the decisions, including telling Cain that his half written instrumental piano ditty Open Arms was sappy crap. Good thing Perry liked it, told Cain "let's work on it", helped him write the words and made it famous.

You do know that Bad English was formed after the Escape album, right?

[Saint John]

Let's be real here. Perry, outside of Journey, has been a complete failure. Street Talk was recorded while he was in Journey and he needed Herbie to hold his hand. Was the album good? Hell yes it was. But what happened to Perry when he went out completely on his own? 1 album that the label was embarrassed by and refused to release and the other was a colossal failure. If Perry had half the work ethic or love for music that Schon had he'd be on a stage instead of on the back of milk cartons.

I have to disagree with you on that. FTLOSM wasn't a complete failure. "You Better Wait" had plenty of radio airplay during a time where grunge and alternative rock was mostly played on the radio, so that in itself is quite a success. "Missing You" wasn't played as much, but I did hear it some on the radio. Heck, I was even surprised when I heard "Tuesday, Heartache" played on the radio when I was in a restaurant one evening. I Just about choked on a french fry...lol! Now, if you're comparing it to his first solo effort and all of the Journey albums prior to this release, yeah it didn't have nearly the same amount of success, but it wasn't a complete failure.

Fair enough. However, I don't ever remeber hearing You Better Wait or Missing You more than once or twice each here in Chicago. It didn't get any airplay over here. YBW is an ok song, but MY is just plain boring. The whole album remains musically challenged. Mr. Perfectionist layed a giant egg in picking that gang of mediocre musicians. And that decision killed the album.