New Perry effort...

[bluejeangirl76]

Perry had FOUR top 40 hits off of Street Talk, Einsteins. Tell me again which one of his Journey bandmates accomplished that in their solo careers???????

What was the fourth one?

[Jana]

He alread has Elvis status

L O L

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... ic_artists

Hmmmmmm.................

SP only has "Elvis Status" to his fans. Hell, his solo career barely puts him above Lisa Marie Presley status.

Perry had FOUR top 40 hits off of Street Talk, Einsteins. Tell me again which one of his Journey bandmates accomplished that in their solo careers???????

I'm just being a smartass here but Bad English did have a number one song, something Journey nor Perry ever had.

Bad English was neither Cain's or Schon's band. It was John Waite's band. Compare apples to apples. Waite made all the decisions, including telling Cain that his half written instrumental piano ditty Open Arms was sappy crap. Good thing Perry liked it, told Cain "let's work on it", helped him write the words and made it famous.

Actually, it was when Jon was in the Babys (not Bad English) with Waite that he didn't like Open Arms, wasn't it? Or am I wrong?

By interviews I've read on Bad English, the first album was written as a goup effort with all involvedin the songwriting process. Really good first album. The problems came in during the making of the second album, where Jon and John battled on writing songs, and Neal, and was it Ricky?, were getting pushed out in the songwriting process. John Waite wanted control and look what happened. They broke up and failure on the second album.

[G.I.Jim]

He alread has Elvis status

L O L

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... ic_artists

Hmmmmmm.................

SP only has "Elvis Status" to his fans. Hell, his solo career barely puts him above Lisa Marie Presley status.

Perry had FOUR top 40 hits off of Street Talk, Einsteins. Tell me again which one of his Journey bandmates accomplished that in their solo careers???????

I'm just being a smartass here but Bad English did have a number one song, something Journey nor Perry ever had.

Bad English was neither Cain's or Schon's band. It was John Waite's band. Compare apples to apples. Waite made all the decisions, including telling Cain that his half written instrumental piano ditty Open Arms was sappy crap. Good thing Perry liked it, told Cain "let's work on it", helped him write the words and made it famous.

Actually, it was when Jon was in the Babys (not Bad English) with Waite that he didn't like Open Arms, wasn't it? Or am I wrong?

By interviews I've read on Bad English, the first album was written as a goup effort with all involvedin the songwriting process. Really good first album. The problems came in during the making of the second album, where Jon and John battled on writing songs, and Neal, and was it Ricky?, were getting pushed out in the songwriting process. John Waite wanted control and look what happened. They broke up and failure on the second album.

too bad they never released their third album! It's not too bad, but the music scene at the time definitely wouldn't have embraced it. I like a few of the songs. I just wish I had a better quality recording of the album.

[madsplash]

Let's be real here. Perry, outside of Journey, has been a complete failure. Street Talk was recorded while he was in Journey and he needed Herbie to hold his hand. Was the album good? Hell yes it was. But what happened to Perry when he went out completely on his own? 1 album that the label was embarrassed by and refused to release and the other was a colossal failure. If Perry had half the work ethic or love for music that Schon had he'd be on a stage instead of on the back of milk cartons.

I have to disagree with you on that. FTLOSM wasn't a complete failure. "You Better Wait" had plenty of radio airplay during a time where grunge and alternative rock was mostly played on the radio, so that in itself is quite a success. "Missing You" wasn't played as much, but I did hear it some on the radio. Heck, I was even surprised when I heard "Tuesday, Heartache" played on the radio when I was in a restaurant one evening. I Just about choked on a french fry...lol! Now, if you're comparing it to his first solo effort and all of the Journey albums prior to this release, yeah it didn't have nearly the same amount of success, but it wasn't a complete failure.

Fair enough. However, I don't ever remeber hearing You Better Wait or Missing You more than once or twice each here in Chicago. It didn't get any airplay over here. YBW is an ok song, but MY is just plain boring. The whole album remains musically challenged. Mr. Perfectionist layed a giant egg in picking that gang of mediocre musicians. And that decision killed the album.

Are you a musician, SJ? Because if you are, saying that Lincoln Brewster and Moyes Lucas JR. are mediocre musicians is just silly. Those guys play there asses off. Lincoln played Neal's leads note for note EVERY night on the FTLOSM tour. I heard him twice and as far as the parts, Neal wasn't missed one bit.

You don't gotta like the album,(enough others did to make it go gold, without packaging 2 discs and counting them both to acheive platinum) but to say those guys aren't good musicians makes you look dumb, and is flat out wrong.
Lincoln is a monster player and could sit and play duets note for note with Neal all day long.

[AlteredDNA]

Let's be real here. Perry, outside of Journey, has been a complete failure. Street Talk was recorded while he was in Journey and he needed Herbie to hold his hand. Was the album good? Hell yes it was. But what happened to Perry when he went out completely on his own? 1 album that the label was embarrassed by and refused to release and the other was a colossal failure. If Perry had half the work ethic or love for music that Schon had he'd be on a stage instead of on the back of milk cartons.

I have to disagree with you on that. FTLOSM wasn't a complete failure. "You Better Wait" had plenty of radio airplay during a time where grunge and alternative rock was mostly played on the radio, so that in itself is quite a success. "Missing You" wasn't played as much, but I did hear it some on the radio. Heck, I was even surprised when I heard "Tuesday, Heartache" played on the radio when I was in a restaurant one evening. I Just about choked on a french fry...lol! Now, if you're comparing it to his first solo effort and all of the Journey albums prior to this release, yeah it didn't have nearly the same amount of success, but it wasn't a complete failure.

Fair enough. However, I don't ever remeber hearing You Better Wait or Missing You more than once or twice each here in Chicago. It didn't get any airplay over here. YBW is an ok song, but MY is just plain boring. The whole album remains musically challenged. Mr. Perfectionist layed a giant egg in picking that gang of mediocre musicians. And that decision killed the album.

Are you a musician, SJ? Because if you are, saying that Lincoln Brewster and Moyes Lucas JR. are mediocre musicians is just silly. Those guys play there asses off. Lincoln played Neal's leads note for note EVERY night on the FTLOSM tour. I heard him twice and as far as the parts, Neal wasn't missed one bit.

You don't gotta like the album,(enough others did to make it go gold, without packaging 2 discs and counting them both to acheive platinum) but to say those guys aren't good musicians makes you look dumb, and is flat out wrong.
Lincoln is a monster player and could sit and play duets note for note with Neal all day long.

So, does that make him a "Schon Clone"?

[madsplash]

Let's be real here. Perry, outside of Journey, has been a complete failure. Street Talk was recorded while he was in Journey and he needed Herbie to hold his hand. Was the album good? Hell yes it was. But what happened to Perry when he went out completely on his own? 1 album that the label was embarrassed by and refused to release and the other was a colossal failure. If Perry had half the work ethic or love for music that Schon had he'd be on a stage instead of on the back of milk cartons.

I have to disagree with you on that. FTLOSM wasn't a complete failure. "You Better Wait" had plenty of radio airplay during a time where grunge and alternative rock was mostly played on the radio, so that in itself is quite a success. "Missing You" wasn't played as much, but I did hear it some on the radio. Heck, I was even surprised when I heard "Tuesday, Heartache" played on the radio when I was in a restaurant one evening. I Just about choked on a french fry...lol! Now, if you're comparing it to his first solo effort and all of the Journey albums prior to this release, yeah it didn't have nearly the same amount of success, but it wasn't a complete failure.

Fair enough. However, I don't ever remeber hearing You Better Wait or Missing You more than once or twice each here in Chicago. It didn't get any airplay over here. YBW is an ok song, but MY is just plain boring. The whole album remains musically challenged. Mr. Perfectionist layed a giant egg in picking that gang of mediocre musicians. And that decision killed the album.

Are you a musician, SJ? Because if you are, saying that Lincoln Brewster and Moyes Lucas JR. are mediocre musicians is just silly. Those guys play there asses off. Lincoln played Neal's leads note for note EVERY night on the FTLOSM tour. I heard him twice and as far as the parts, Neal wasn't missed one bit.

You don't gotta like the album,(enough others did to make it go gold, without packaging 2 discs and counting them both to acheive platinum) but to say those guys aren't good musicians makes you look dumb, and is flat out wrong.
Lincoln is a monster player and could sit and play duets note for note with Neal all day long.

So, does that make him a "Schon Clone"?

Well, kinda, in that he can play anything Neal can, and I'm sure Neal can play anything he can, so I guess Neal could ba Lincoln clone then, also. I would love to hear play Neal all of the stuff on "Somewhere's There's Hope". That's a killer tune off of the album that Lincoln just rips up and I'd love to hear Neal's take on it, which I'm sure we never will.

Saying those guys aren't good players is wrong, and that's not an opinion. Moye's is agreat drummer and also arranges and produces. He's played with and toured with everyone from Michael Bolton to Kenny Loggins (who is another perfectionist like SP).

Like I said, the album is a matter of taste, those guys musicianship isn't. It's fact. They play their tails off.

[Saint John]

Listen, mudspunk, no one heard of those guys before that tour or after. They're simply not good enough to be on a Steve Perry album...period And I don't give a shit that Brewster could imitate Schon...it's doing original work on the album that was sorely lacking. And Lucas almost single-handedly destroyed the tour with his horrendous backing vox. Perry's decision making from the advent of that tour to it's untimely end (go figure) sucked.

[madsplash]

Listen, mudspunk, no one heard of those guys before that tour or after. They're simply not good enough to be on a Steve Perry album...period And I don't give a shit that Brewster could imitate Schon...it's doing original work on the album that was sorely lacking. And Lucas almost single-handedly destroyed the tour with his horrendous backing vox. Perry's decision making from the advent of that tour to it's untimely end (go figure) sucked.

You listen Saint-JOHNSON, so you think that SP auditioned musician's and picked out ones that couldn't play or add to the original material? You think that he would choose poeple who would HURT the album's chance for success?

When I heard them live twice, the backing vocals were spot on and by the way were all sung LIVE, not with recordings like Journey is doing these days. Check out LincolnBrewster.com and see what he's doing today before you rattle your Dorito-chute about a guy you don't know anything about.

You're attitude about SP is a joke. Everything he's ever done with Neal is bad unless he had he had Herbie with him? C'mon man, I know that's just your opinion and you're entiltled to it, but it's obviously so biased you look silly.

You didn't answer the question: Are you a musician? I can't imagine that you would be. Most mature musician's don't have the need to constantly rag on and try and tear down other musician's accomplishments.

And let's stop with the name calling, huh? It just sounds immature.


Oh my god, I edited this post. What could happen, what could happen? There goes my credibility!

[bluejeangirl76]

And let's stop with the name calling, huh? It just sounds immature.

Then why are you doing it back?

[Saint John]

before you rattle your Dorito-chute

That's a good one. Made me lol. Nice.

And let's stop with the name calling, huh? It just sounds immature.

That's the whole point!!! If I wanted to be "mature" I'd start doing work.


PS No, I'm not a musician, but most umpires weren't baseball players, either. Just calling the balls and strikes the way I see them, man.

[skinsguy]

Let's be real here. Perry, outside of Journey, has been a complete failure. Street Talk was recorded while he was in Journey and he needed Herbie to hold his hand. Was the album good? Hell yes it was. But what happened to Perry when he went out completely on his own? 1 album that the label was embarrassed by and refused to release and the other was a colossal failure. If Perry had half the work ethic or love for music that Schon had he'd be on a stage instead of on the back of milk cartons.

I have to disagree with you on that. FTLOSM wasn't a complete failure. "You Better Wait" had plenty of radio airplay during a time where grunge and alternative rock was mostly played on the radio, so that in itself is quite a success. "Missing You" wasn't played as much, but I did hear it some on the radio. Heck, I was even surprised when I heard "Tuesday, Heartache" played on the radio when I was in a restaurant one evening. I Just about choked on a french fry...lol! Now, if you're comparing it to his first solo effort and all of the Journey albums prior to this release, yeah it didn't have nearly the same amount of success, but it wasn't a complete failure.

Fair enough. However, I don't ever remeber hearing You Better Wait or Missing You more than once or twice each here in Chicago. It didn't get any airplay over here. YBW is an ok song, but MY is just plain boring. The whole album remains musically challenged. Mr. Perfectionist layed a giant egg in picking that gang of mediocre musicians. And that decision killed the album.

It's all subjective to taste. I mean, if one listens to Journey mainly for Neal Schon or Jon Cain, then they probably wouldn't care for any Perry solo efforts. If one listens to Journey mainly for Steve Perry, then they probably would think anything Perry does is gold! For myself, Journey will always be Steve Perry, Neal Schon, Jon Cain, Gregg Rolie, Ross Valory, and Steve Smith. However, I respect those who came in to keep the Journey going, Deen Castronovo, Steve Augeri, Jeff Scott Soto, and Arnel Pindea. However, I have enjoyed listening to anything that Steve Perry has put out for his fans, even though they were not Journey albums. I don't believe that was ever Perry's intentions in the first place.

But yeah, I heard YBW quite a bit on radio here in my town, as well as MY, and TH. And believe me, the stations around where I live mainly play the top 20 hits all the time (not heardly even the top 40!) so, to hear those other songs was outstanding!
Unfortunately, the same couldn't be said for Journey's Arrival, Generations, or Revelation albums. None of that stuff was ever given a first glance. When You Love a Woman and If He Should Break Your Heart WAS played quite a bit in my town though!

I guess I just live in a pro Perry region...lol!

[madsplash]

And let's stop with the name calling, huh? It just sounds immature.

Then why are you doing it back?

Who pulled your chain? Go back to sleep. Nobody was talking to you. I did it back in response once to show how silly it is. You've never heard me do it first, now have ya BluejeanSquirrel? (Kidding)

[madsplash]

before you rattle your Dorito-chute

That's a good one. Made me lol. Nice.

And let's stop with the name calling, huh? It just sounds immature.

That's the whole point!!! If I wanted to be "mature" I'd start doing work.


PS No, I'm not a musician, but most umpires weren't baseball players, either. Just calling the balls and strikes the way I see them, man.

I get that, SJ. It's cool. I dig how passionate you are about what you believe. You're usually WRONG about most things, but I dig it.

I don't wanna grow up either, really. I'm 39, have the mind of a 21 year old and my body feels like it's 60 from all of the athletic abuse I gave it in my youth. Oh well, I guess we all gotta get old. Even SP, Neal and the boys.

[bluejeangirl76]

And let's stop with the name calling, huh? It just sounds immature.

Then why are you doing it back?

Who pulled your chain? Go back to sleep. Nobody was talking to you.

Didn't know I needed your permission to post.
Andrew failed to inform me of that change.

[Saint John]

Didn't know I needed your permission to post.
Andrew failed to inform me of that change.

He's been slacking lately.

[madsplash]

And let's stop with the name calling, huh? It just sounds immature.

Then why are you doing it back?

Who pulled your chain? Go back to sleep. Nobody was talking to you.

Didn't know I needed your permission to post.
Andrew failed to inform me of that change.

Just kidding, don't get everything in a bunch. Geez. How could you need MY permission around here for anything?
I have about 25 people who like me and 50-100 that don't exactly love me.

I think I may delete this post, just for the fun of it... Oops, I had to edit it to say that. Now I'm really screwed.

[Ehwmatt]

Let's be real here. Perry, outside of Journey, has been a complete failure. Street Talk was recorded while he was in Journey and he needed Herbie to hold his hand. Was the album good? Hell yes it was. But what happened to Perry when he went out completely on his own? 1 album that the label was embarrassed by and refused to release and the other was a colossal failure. If Perry had half the work ethic or love for music that Schon had he'd be on a stage instead of on the back of milk cartons.

I have to disagree with you on that. FTLOSM wasn't a complete failure. "You Better Wait" had plenty of radio airplay during a time where grunge and alternative rock was mostly played on the radio, so that in itself is quite a success. "Missing You" wasn't played as much, but I did hear it some on the radio. Heck, I was even surprised when I heard "Tuesday, Heartache" played on the radio when I was in a restaurant one evening. I Just about choked on a french fry...lol! Now, if you're comparing it to his first solo effort and all of the Journey albums prior to this release, yeah it didn't have nearly the same amount of success, but it wasn't a complete failure.

Fair enough. However, I don't ever remeber hearing You Better Wait or Missing You more than once or twice each here in Chicago. It didn't get any airplay over here. YBW is an ok song, but MY is just plain boring. The whole album remains musically challenged. Mr. Perfectionist layed a giant egg in picking that gang of mediocre musicians. And that decision killed the album.

It's all subjective to taste. I mean, if one listens to Journey mainly for Neal Schon or Jon Cain, then they probably wouldn't care for any Perry solo efforts. If one listens to Journey mainly for Steve Perry, then they probably would think anything Perry does is gold! For myself, Journey will always be Steve Perry, Neal Schon, Jon Cain, Gregg Rolie, Ross Valory, and Steve Smith. However, I respect those who came in to keep the Journey going, Deen Castronovo, Steve Augeri, Jeff Scott Soto, and Arnel Pindea. However, I have enjoyed listening to anything that Steve Perry has put out for his fans, even though they were not Journey albums. I don't believe that was ever Perry's intentions in the first place.

But yeah, I heard YBW quite a bit on radio here in my town, as well as MY, and TH. And believe me, the stations around where I live mainly play the top 20 hits all the time (not heardly even the top 40!) so, to hear those other songs was outstanding!
Unfortunately, the same couldn't be said for Journey's Arrival, Generations, or Revelation albums. None of that stuff was ever given a first glance. When You Love a Woman and If He Should Break Your Heart WAS played quite a bit in my town though!

I guess I just live in a pro Perry region...lol!

Both TBF songs u mention are great songs, but you can't compare the eras by looking at radio play. In 96, the radio and even record industry at large were somewhat alive. By 2001, they were in their dying throes. If TBF came out today it wouldn't have a chance of being played past maybe the first month (I heard Never Walk Away and After All These Years regularly on my classic rock terrestrial station for 2 months, then never again)

[Red13JoePa]

Perry had FOUR top 40 hits off of Street Talk, Einsteins. Tell me again which one of his Journey bandmates accomplished that in their solo careers???????

I'm just being a smartass here but Bad English did have a number one song, something Journey nor Perry ever had.

Which was written by Diane Warren...

But you need an Excel Spreadsheet to tabulate the array of writers who wrote the ST and FTLOSM material.

[bluejeangirl76]

But you need an Excel Spreadsheet to tabulate the array of writers who wrote the ST and FTLOSM material.

True.

I'm great with Excel. I can do it.

[skinsguy]

Let's be real here. Perry, outside of Journey, has been a complete failure. Street Talk was recorded while he was in Journey and he needed Herbie to hold his hand. Was the album good? Hell yes it was. But what happened to Perry when he went out completely on his own? 1 album that the label was embarrassed by and refused to release and the other was a colossal failure. If Perry had half the work ethic or love for music that Schon had he'd be on a stage instead of on the back of milk cartons.

I have to disagree with you on that. FTLOSM wasn't a complete failure. "You Better Wait" had plenty of radio airplay during a time where grunge and alternative rock was mostly played on the radio, so that in itself is quite a success. "Missing You" wasn't played as much, but I did hear it some on the radio. Heck, I was even surprised when I heard "Tuesday, Heartache" played on the radio when I was in a restaurant one evening. I Just about choked on a french fry...lol! Now, if you're comparing it to his first solo effort and all of the Journey albums prior to this release, yeah it didn't have nearly the same amount of success, but it wasn't a complete failure.

Fair enough. However, I don't ever remeber hearing You Better Wait or Missing You more than once or twice each here in Chicago. It didn't get any airplay over here. YBW is an ok song, but MY is just plain boring. The whole album remains musically challenged. Mr. Perfectionist layed a giant egg in picking that gang of mediocre musicians. And that decision killed the album.

It's all subjective to taste. I mean, if one listens to Journey mainly for Neal Schon or Jon Cain, then they probably wouldn't care for any Perry solo efforts. If one listens to Journey mainly for Steve Perry, then they probably would think anything Perry does is gold! For myself, Journey will always be Steve Perry, Neal Schon, Jon Cain, Gregg Rolie, Ross Valory, and Steve Smith. However, I respect those who came in to keep the Journey going, Deen Castronovo, Steve Augeri, Jeff Scott Soto, and Arnel Pindea. However, I have enjoyed listening to anything that Steve Perry has put out for his fans, even though they were not Journey albums. I don't believe that was ever Perry's intentions in the first place.

But yeah, I heard YBW quite a bit on radio here in my town, as well as MY, and TH. And believe me, the stations around where I live mainly play the top 20 hits all the time (not heardly even the top 40!) so, to hear those other songs was outstanding!
Unfortunately, the same couldn't be said for Journey's Arrival, Generations, or Revelation albums. None of that stuff was ever given a first glance. When You Love a Woman and If He Should Break Your Heart WAS played quite a bit in my town though!

I guess I just live in a pro Perry region...lol!

Both TBF songs u mention are great songs, but you can't compare the eras by looking at radio play. In 96, the radio and even record industry at large were somewhat alive. By 2001, they were in their dying throes. If TBF came out today it wouldn't have a chance of being played past maybe the first month (I heard Never Walk Away and After All These Years regularly on my classic rock terrestrial station for 2 months, then never again)

I'm not really sure what the difference is unless you're talking about the increasing use of XM/Sirus radio compared to terrestrial radio. In my area, the large majority continue to listen to terrestrial radio as opposed to XM. So, terrestrial radio is still very much alive in at least certain areas. I don't live in a major US city, so I tend to rely on terrestrial radio for weather, local news, and traffic reports.

But, I do believe that when it comes down to a success of a record, from the fans' standpoint, you'd measure it with how much radio play it gets. How commercial the album is. I mean, to me, I don't really care if the artist is making 10 million dollars off the album (because I'm obviously not getting a sniff of that money.) I'm wanting to hear their stuff played on the radio and I want other radio listeners to hear it as well. And, I think most artists who are in the music biz want to hear their stuff played and get recognized. I could be wrong though.

[Ehwmatt]

I'm not really sure what the difference is unless you're talking about the increasing use of XM/Sirus radio compared to terrestrial radio. In my area, the large majority continue to listen to terrestrial radio as opposed to XM. So, terrestrial radio is still very much alive in at least certain areas. I don't live in a major US city, so I tend to rely on terrestrial radio for weather, local news, and traffic reports.

But, I do believe that when it comes down to a success of a record, from the fans' standpoint, you'd measure it with how much radio play it gets. How commercial the album is. I mean, to me, I don't really care if the artist is making 10 million dollars off the album (because I'm obviously not getting a sniff of that money.) I'm wanting to hear their stuff played on the radio and I want other radio listeners to hear it as well. And, I think most artists who are in the music biz want to hear their stuff played and get recognized. I could be wrong though.

The point is, terrestrial classic rock radio hasn't been interested in playing new material from the likes of Journey or Styx in 10+ years. In 96, they at least had a chance.

[whirlwind]

I'm not really sure what the difference is unless you're talking about the increasing use of XM/Sirus radio compared to terrestrial radio. In my area, the large majority continue to listen to terrestrial radio as opposed to XM. So, terrestrial radio is still very much alive in at least certain areas. I don't live in a major US city, so I tend to rely on terrestrial radio for weather, local news, and traffic reports.

But, I do believe that when it comes down to a success of a record, from the fans' standpoint, you'd measure it with how much radio play it gets. How commercial the album is. I mean, to me, I don't really care if the artist is making 10 million dollars off the album (because I'm obviously not getting a sniff of that money.) I'm wanting to hear their stuff played on the radio and I want other radio listeners to hear it as well. And, I think most artists who are in the music biz want to hear their stuff played and get recognized. I could be wrong though.

The point is, terrestrial classic rock radio hasn't been interested in playing new material from the likes of Journey or Styx in 10+ years. In 96, they at least had a chance.

IMO. any new material from both bands, in the past decade, has not been good enough. Even with Arnel, I feel that it's the voice that is great and the only reason Journey's last album got any attention. Arnel got the bands legendary name and Journey got a great vocalist to get them a few good songs.

[Ehwmatt]

I'm not really sure what the difference is unless you're talking about the increasing use of XM/Sirus radio compared to terrestrial radio. In my area, the large majority continue to listen to terrestrial radio as opposed to XM. So, terrestrial radio is still very much alive in at least certain areas. I don't live in a major US city, so I tend to rely on terrestrial radio for weather, local news, and traffic reports.

But, I do believe that when it comes down to a success of a record, from the fans' standpoint, you'd measure it with how much radio play it gets. How commercial the album is. I mean, to me, I don't really care if the artist is making 10 million dollars off the album (because I'm obviously not getting a sniff of that money.) I'm wanting to hear their stuff played on the radio and I want other radio listeners to hear it as well. And, I think most artists who are in the music biz want to hear their stuff played and get recognized. I could be wrong though.

The point is, terrestrial classic rock radio hasn't been interested in playing new material from the likes of Journey or Styx in 10+ years. In 96, they at least had a chance.

IMO. any new material from both bands, in the past decade, has not been good enough. Even with Arnel, I feel that it's the voice that is great and the only reason Journey's last album got any attention. Arnel got the bands legendary name and Journey got a great vocalist to get them a few good songs.

You're kidding yourself if you thinks songs like Higher Place, All The Way, To Be Alive Again, Never Walk Away, After All These Years, and Change For The Better wouldn't have been huge radio hits 25 years ago. The material is plenty strong enough.

[whirlwind]

I'm not really sure what the difference is unless you're talking about the increasing use of XM/Sirus radio compared to terrestrial radio. In my area, the large majority continue to listen to terrestrial radio as opposed to XM. So, terrestrial radio is still very much alive in at least certain areas. I don't live in a major US city, so I tend to rely on terrestrial radio for weather, local news, and traffic reports.

But, I do believe that when it comes down to a success of a record, from the fans' standpoint, you'd measure it with how much radio play it gets. How commercial the album is. I mean, to me, I don't really care if the artist is making 10 million dollars off the album (because I'm obviously not getting a sniff of that money.) I'm wanting to hear their stuff played on the radio and I want other radio listeners to hear it as well. And, I think most artists who are in the music biz want to hear their stuff played and get recognized. I could be wrong though.

The point is, terrestrial classic rock radio hasn't been interested in playing new material from the likes of Journey or Styx in 10+ years. In 96, they at least had a chance.

IMO. any new material from both bands, in the past decade, has not been good enough. Even with Arnel, I feel that it's the voice that is great and the only reason Journey's last album got any attention. Arnel got the bands legendary name and Journey got a great vocalist to get them a few good songs.

You're kidding yourself if you thinks songs like Higher Place, All The Way, To Be Alive Again, Never Walk Away, After All These Years, and Change For The Better wouldn't have been huge radio hits 25 years ago. The material is plenty strong enough.

None of those songs are even in the same category as Journey's greatest hits. Whole different ballpark. Lots of Perry's solo work would have been great Journey songs as they were unique, just as Journey GH are.

[Don]

I'm not really sure what the difference is unless you're talking about the increasing use of XM/Sirus radio compared to terrestrial radio. In my area, the large majority continue to listen to terrestrial radio as opposed to XM. So, terrestrial radio is still very much alive in at least certain areas. I don't live in a major US city, so I tend to rely on terrestrial radio for weather, local news, and traffic reports.

But, I do believe that when it comes down to a success of a record, from the fans' standpoint, you'd measure it with how much radio play it gets. How commercial the album is. I mean, to me, I don't really care if the artist is making 10 million dollars off the album (because I'm obviously not getting a sniff of that money.) I'm wanting to hear their stuff played on the radio and I want other radio listeners to hear it as well. And, I think most artists who are in the music biz want to hear their stuff played and get recognized. I could be wrong though.

The point is, terrestrial classic rock radio hasn't been interested in playing new material from the likes of Journey or Styx in 10+ years. In 96, they at least had a chance.

IMO. any new material from both bands, in the past decade, has not been good enough. Even with Arnel, I feel that it's the voice that is great and the only reason Journey's last album got any attention. Arnel got the bands legendary name and Journey got a great vocalist to get them a few good songs.

Revelation was really the product of a perfect storm:
A guy that sounds like Perry
Hometown fans looking to buy a product to support their new star
Walmart pricing plus dvd and second disc of favorites
Affordable tickets plus Heart on tour
Youtube story with Homeless angle and ELLEN appearance

All these things came together and the album scraped it's way to platinum. 25 years ago, Multiplatinum would have been a cinch under these circumstances. Now though, it's just considered a somewhat decent album, barely memorable.

[Saint John]

A guy that sounds like Perry

Arnel sounds nothing like Perry with perhaps the exception of Like A Sunshower.

[Don]

A guy that sounds like Perry

Arnel sounds nothing like Perry with perhaps the exception of Like A Sunshower.

Dude, Every review of Revelation has said the guy sounds like Perry, that's what the people that buy this album are going to read or hear, not Us on this site that realize he has his own distinct voice. What was Ellen's big push on her show? That Journey found a guy on youtube that is a doppelganger of Steve vocally. That's where people get there info, not from MR.

[Saint John]

A guy that sounds like Perry

Arnel sounds nothing like Perry with perhaps the exception of Like A Sunshower.

Dude, Every review of Revelation has said the guy sounds like Perry, that's what the people that buy this album are going to read or hear, not Us on this site that realize he has his own distinct voice. What was Ellen's big push on her show? That Journey found a guy on youtube that is a doppelganger of Steve vocally. That's where people get there info, not from MR.

He's able to channel him when he wants to (the old songs), but there isn't one song on the new album where even one of my friends said "Man, that sounds like the old guy."

[bluejeangirl76]

A guy that sounds like Perry

Arnel sounds nothing like Perry with perhaps the exception of Like A Sunshower.

Dude, Every review of Revelation has said the guy sounds like Perry, that's what the people that buy this album are going to read or hear, not Us on this site that realize he has his own distinct voice. What was Ellen's big push on her show? That Journey found a guy on youtube that is a doppelganger of Steve vocally. That's where people get there info, not from MR.

He's able to channel him when he wants to (the old songs),

Noooo way. Not on the classics. Not a chance.

[Rick]

A guy that sounds like Perry

Arnel sounds nothing like Perry with perhaps the exception of Like A Sunshower.

Dude, Every review of Revelation has said the guy sounds like Perry, that's what the people that buy this album are going to read or hear, not Us on this site that realize he has his own distinct voice. What was Ellen's big push on her show? That Journey found a guy on youtube that is a doppelganger of Steve vocally. That's where people get there info, not from MR.

He's able to channel him when he wants to (the old songs),

Noooo way. Not on the classics. Not a chance.

Not on your classic. He does most of them really well though. I agree though, SIL is not one of his better songs.