OT - I've seen the 'next' Barry Sanders

[S2M]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

[AlteredDNA]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

He's on my fantasy team...and has a great matchup next week to start our playoffs...

[S2M]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

He's on my fantasy team...and has a great matchup next week to start our playoffs...

What do you think about him?

[AlteredDNA]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

He's on my fantasy team...and has a great matchup next week to start our playoffs...

What do you think about him?

I saw him running over defensive players like they were children. He is, if not Barry, the next LT...

[S2M]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

He's on my fantasy team...and has a great matchup next week to start our playoffs...

What do you think about him?

I saw him running over defensive players like they were children. He is, if not Barry, the next LT...

I have NEVER seen a running back, save Barry, able to reach the edge quicker than that cat....and he has Barry's jump-stop ankle breaking move.....simply amazing.....

[livin2do]

I traded for him like eight weeks ago in my fantasy league, and haven't lost since. Now I'm 11-3 and on my way to the playoffs!

[Enigma869]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

Dude...put down the crack pipe! Williams is having a great season, but let's not forget that this is his third season in the NFL. Prior to this season, he rushed for 700 and 500 yards with a career rushing TD total of FIVE in two seasons! Again, he's having a great season for a solid team, but he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with Sanders!

[S2M]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

Dude...put down the crack pipe! Williams is having a great season, but let's not forget that this is his third season in the NFL. Prior to this season, he rushed for 700 and 500 yards with a career rushing TD total of FIVE in two seasons! Again, he's having a great season for a solid team, but he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with Sanders!

John, you are the one who needs to chill out. Is there a time when you haven't jumped down a poster's throat if you didn't agree with the post? For fuck's sake, dude....It is MY opinion.

[Enigma869]

John, you are the one who needs to chill out. Is there a time when you haven't jumped down a poster's throat if you didn't agree with the post? For fuck's sake, dude....It is MY opinion.

Right, and I offered my opinion. If you're not looking for opinions, then don't put posts on a public message board. If a contrary opinion isn't one you want to hear, too fucking bad!

[S2M]

John, you are the one who needs to chill out. Is there a time when you haven't jumped down a poster's throat if you didn't agree with the post? For fuck's sake, dude....It is MY opinion.

Right, and I offered my opinion. If you're not looking for opinions, then don't put posts on a public message board. If a contrary opinion isn't one you want to hear, too fucking bad!

Man you almost had me. I thought I was going to finally see one of your responses w/o the word 'fuck'....didn't happen though.

[S2M]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

Dude...put down the crack pipe! Williams is having a great season, but let's not forget that this is his third season in the NFL. Prior to this season, he rushed for 700 and 500 yards with a career rushing TD total of FIVE in two seasons! Again, he's having a great season for a solid team, but he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with Sanders!

Williams also has less than half of the carries that Barry had each of those years. Sanders was THE featured back when he entered the league in '89. The other guys: Carl Painter, Paul Palmer, and Tony Paige.

BTW, Barry was no touchdown machine himself....

[Tito]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

I still haven't seen the next Walter Payton.

[S2M]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

I still haven't seen the next Walter Payton.

His sad, early death aside....Barry was better. Now go listen to your Cain songs....

[Tito]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

I still haven't seen the next Walter Payton.

His sad, early death aside....Barry was better. Now go listen to your Cain songs....

I disagree.

[S2M]

[S2M]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

I still haven't seen the next Walter Payton.

His sad, early death aside....Barry was better. Now go listen to your Cain songs....

I disagree.

Ok, Make your case........

[Enigma869]

I still haven't seen the next Walter Payton.

Payton was a great football player who was taken from this earth FAR too early. That said, Barry was absolutely the better back. It's not even debateable. He played on FAR worse teams, never had an offensive line, and had more moves than Payton could dream of having. Payton has a whopping 1400 more career rushing yards but played 3 more seasons than Sanders played. Payton averaged 4.4 yards per carry over the course of his career. Sanders averaged an astonishing 5.0 yards per carry, behind HORRENDOUS offensive lines, over the course of his career! I was fortunate to see both guys play a lot of games. I always thought Payton was a great player, but he simply wasn't in the same league as Sanders and I don't know anyone outside of Chicago who believes he was.

[S2M]

I still haven't seen the next Walter Payton.

Payton was a great football player who was taken from this earth FAR too early. That said, Barry was absolutely the better back. It's not even debateable. He played on FAR worse teams, never had an offensive line, and had more moves than Payton could dream of having. Payton has a whopping 1400 more career rushing yards but played 3 more seasons than Sanders played. Payton averaged 4.4 yards per carry over the course of his career. Sanders averaged an astonishing 5.0 yards per carry, behind HORRENDOUS offensive lines, over the course of his career! I was fortunate to see both guys play a lot of games. I always thought Payton was a great player, but he simply wasn't in the same league as Sanders and I don't know anyone outside of Chicago who believes he was.

Good looking out....

[Tito]

I still haven't seen the next Walter Payton.

Payton was a great football player who was taken from this earth FAR too early. That said, Barry was absolutely the better back. It's not even debateable. He played on FAR worse teams, never had an offensive line, and had more moves than Payton could dream of having. Payton has a whopping 1400 more career rushing yards but played 3 more seasons than Sanders played. Payton averaged 4.4 yards per carry over the course of his career. Sanders averaged an astonishing 5.0 yards per carry, behind HORRENDOUS offensive lines, over the course of his career! I was fortunate to see both guys play a lot of games. I always thought Payton was a great player, but he simply wasn't in the same league as Sanders and I don't know anyone outside of Chicago who believes he was.

However, Payton played in two strike shortened years (9 games in 1982 and 12 in 1987) and his first 3 seasons they only played 14 regular season games compared to the 16 they played now.

[Blueskies]

John, you are the one who needs to chill out. Is there a time when you haven't jumped down a poster's throat if you didn't agree with the post? For fuck's sake, dude....It is MY opinion.

Right, and I offered my opinion. If you're not looking for opinions, then don't put posts on a public message board. If a contrary opinion isn't one you want to hear, too fucking bad!

Post of the day!
( nothing towards you STM, but he makes a great point for all to realize )

[S2M]

John, you are the one who needs to chill out. Is there a time when you haven't jumped down a poster's throat if you didn't agree with the post? For fuck's sake, dude....It is MY opinion.

Right, and I offered my opinion. If you're not looking for opinions, then don't put posts on a public message board. If a contrary opinion isn't one you want to hear, too fucking bad!

Post of the day!
( nothing towards you STM, but he makes a great point for all to realize )

Who asked you? Hmmmm? Quit sticking your nose in other's business.....

[Blueskies]

John, you are the one who needs to chill out. Is there a time when you haven't jumped down a poster's throat if you didn't agree with the post? For fuck's sake, dude....It is MY opinion.

Right, and I offered my opinion. If you're not looking for opinions, then don't put posts on a public message board. If a contrary opinion isn't one you want to hear, too fucking bad!

Post of the day!
( nothing towards you STM, but he makes a great point for all to realize )

Who asked you? Hmmmm? Quit sticking your nose in other's business.....

I'll stick my nose where eva I wanna because I can!

[Michigan Girl]

His name is D'angelo Williams. I'm not saying he is Barry, but he is the closest thing I've seen to Barry since.....Barry.

Noooooooooooooooooooo.....

[Don]

Anybody see that catch by Bryant? Top 10 play of the year.

http://buccaneers.fandome.com/video/107 ... Catch/?q=k

[Tito]

Walter's offensive lines absolutely sucked until the mid-80's. They were notoriously bad. Walter was a more complete back, he could run (Sanders is obviously faster though), block (I never seen a highlight reel of Sanders' blocks like I have of Payton's), catch (Walter lead in career RB receptions until Faulk), and throw (9 career TD passes). Hell, he even punted a few times and returned kicks early in his career as well. Didn't the Lions use to take Sanders out of goal line and short yardage situations? Also, although Sanders's line may have been suspect at times, he had the luxury of playing in that spread out run and shoot bullshit. Had Walter had the luxury of going against 6 DBs, he may have still been running (at the time).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxE-NWENCmE

[Enigma869]

However, Payton played in two strike shortened years (9 games in 1982 and 12 in 1987) and his first 3 seasons they only played 14 regular season games compared to the 16 they played now.

I don't care how many "strike shortened" seasons that Payton played in. Yards per carry is irrelevant in terms of how many games one guy has played versus the other. Sanders is one of the few running backs in the history of the NFL who has ever managed to average 5 yards per carry, over a 10 year career. Only 3 other running backs in the history of the NFL have ever averaged more than 5 yards per carry, and Payton isn't one of them! The fact that Barry did it behind some of the worst offensive lines ever assembled makes it that much more remarkable. I can tell you that if Barry ever ran behind Emmitt Smith's lines, he'd have every NFL record that exists for a running back and probably would have won 5 championships!

[S2M]

However, Payton played in two strike shortened years (9 games in 1982 and 12 in 1987) and his first 3 seasons they only played 14 regular season games compared to the 16 they played now.

I don't care how many "strike shortened" seasons that Payton played in. Yards per carry is irrelevant in terms of how many games one guy has played versus the other. Sanders is one of the few running backs in the history of the NFL who has ever managed to average 5 yards per carry, over a 10 year career. Only 3 other running backs in the history of the NFL have ever averaged more than 5 yards per carry, and Payton isn't one of them! The fact that Barry did it behind some of the worst offensive lines ever assembled makes it that much more remarkable. I can tell you that if Barry ever ran behind Emmitt Smith's lines, he'd have every NFL record that exists for a running back and probably would have won 5 championships!

and, I might add....Emmitt owns the record because Barry retired.....

and when you get drafted by a team who has Rodney Peete for a QB....you are pretty much resigned to perpetual suckiness(TM)

[Tito]

However, Payton played in two strike shortened years (9 games in 1982 and 12 in 1987) and his first 3 seasons they only played 14 regular season games compared to the 16 they played now.

I don't care how many "strike shortened" seasons that Payton played in. Yards per carry is irrelevant in terms of how many games one guy has played versus the other. Sanders is one of the few running backs in the history of the NFL who has ever managed to average 5 yards per carry, over a 10 year career. Only 3 other running backs in the history of the NFL have ever averaged more than 5 yards per carry, and Payton isn't one of them! The fact that Barry did it behind some of the worst offensive lines ever assembled makes it that much more remarkable. I can tell you that if Barry ever ran behind Emmitt Smith's lines, he'd have every NFL record that exists for a running back and probably would have won 5 championships!

Walter played with just as bad of offensive lines until the mid-80's. The 5 yard average was helped by that playground offensive scheme they played. As far as Dallas's offensive line, that is why no one ever talks about Emmit as the greatest despite being the career leader. Obviously he was great back but he had the luxury of playing with a great offensive line and a balanced attack with a hall of fame quarterback and wide receiver. Payton never had any quarterback (Sanders really didn't either, they just had inflated stats with that shit system) and the Bears never had a wide receiver worth a damn. If I recall, Payton was the team's leading receiver for a number of years.

[Enigma869]

Walter's offensive lines absolutely sucked until the mid-80's.

It doesn't change the fact that Sanders NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER had a decent offensive line!

Walter was a more complete back

The question isn't who was "more complete". The question is which running back was better. A running back's primary job is to run with the football, and nobody did it better than Sanders!

Didn't the Lions use to take Sanders out of goal line situations?

Yes, and he still finished with just 11 fewer career rushing TD's than Payton not playing on the goal line and playing 3 fewer seasons! What's your point? Sorry Taco Boy...You're fighting an argument that can't be won. I don't know of any football historians who rank Payton ahead of Sanders. There is life outside of Chicago and just because a player played for your team doesn't make him better! Payton was a great back, and I'd take him over a lot of backs (including Emmitt Smith). He simply wasn't Barry Sanders. Hell, I'd even take Bo Jackson ahead of Payton and a lot of other guys for the brief time he was in the NFL.

[Michigan Girl]

Walter's offensive lines absolutely sucked until the mid-80's.

It doesn't change the fact that Sanders NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER had a decent offensive line!

Walter was a more complete back

The question isn't who was "more complete". The question is which running back was better. A running back's primary job is to run with the football, and nobody did it better than Sanders!

Didn't the Lions use to take Sanders out of goal line situations?

Yes, and he still finished with just 11 fewer career rushing TD's than Payton not playing on the goal line and playing 3 fewer seasons! What's your point? Sorry Taco Boy...You're fighting an argument that can't be won. I don't know if any football historians who rank Payton ahead of Sanders. There is life outside of Chicago and just because a player played for your team doesn't make him better! Payton was a great back, and I'd take him over a lot of backs (including Emmitt Smith). He simply wasn't Barry Sanders. Hell, I'd even take Bo Jackson ahead of Payton and a lot of other guys for the brief time he was in the NFL.

That's right.....punk!!!