Feds take [Illinois] Gov. Blagojevich into custody

[Rockindeano]

I hope you guys remember the outcry when Bush fired those 2 Prosecutors.

Try 7.
Many outspoken Conservatives, like Davig Iglesias.
You really are a felch gargling whore, FF.
You seem to revel in the Tom Delay, Karl Rove wing of your party.

LOL. Last night for shits and giggles, Lula and I turned on good ol Sean Hannity to see him spin his way into the ground like a fuckin top. Anyway, as he was rambling like the idiot he is, it dawned on me; he sounds exactly like FF. Thus, it's safe to assume they both subscribe to the Limbau Letter or GOP Talking Points Weekly. Regurgitated bullshit is even worse than original bullshit.

Oh and about Rove? He is acting non partisan when he is on Fixed News. At least he is smart and calculated, unlike Hannity who is too stupid to know he is being used by the powers that be in the GOP. He is their microphone on tv, and their slow pitch softball interviewer when the GOP needs a image boosting media infomercial.

[Ehwmatt]

How is this turning into a partisan pissing match? This guy sucks, a lot. End of story.

[conversationpc]

I hope you guys remember the outcry when Bush fired those 2 Prosecutors.

Try 7.
Many outspoken Conservatives, like Davig Iglesias.
You really are a felch gargling whore, FF.
You seem to revel in the Tom Delay, Karl Rove wing of your party.

Oops..7. So fucking what, Clinton fired all fucking 93 of them.

How's it feel to be on the other side? Not even in the Big House yet and a scandal bigger than Watergate has broken out.

Pass the popcorn and oh....Merry Fitzmas!

I don't get all the hubbub...So he fired them. Big deal. From what I've learned, they can be fired at any time for any reason. Whether or not it was unethical, rather than illegal, is another story.

[Rockindeano]

I don't get all the hubbub...So he fired them. Big deal. From what I've learned, they can be fired at any time for any reason. Whether or not it was unethical, rather than illegal, is another story.

The hubbub is yes, a new president usually wipes clean the slate of federal attorney's because he wants his own in there. No biggie. Rove and Bush fired the US Attorney's because they weren't willing to prosecute active Democratic politicians who posed political obstacles for republican ones. The fact that there was nary an ounce of information to investigate, no trail of corruption, and that it was purely political in nature, is what the hubbub is all about. When Clinton fired 41's attorney's it wasn't political in nature.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oops..7. So fucking what, Clinton fired all fucking 93 of them.

As is common at the start of a new President's term.
Reagan and Nixon did it too.
While U.S. attorneys do serve at the pleasure of the president, that shouldn't paper-over what appears to be a further politicization of the justice department.
By their own admission, these attorneys were dumped midterm when they chose to uphold the rule of law, instead of pursuing politically-motivated vote fraud against Democrats.

But, hey, when you already put on a happy face for unilateral invasions, illegal wiretaps, and torture, I can understand why a little partisan sandbagging wouldn't keep you guys up at night.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC, you think O should fire Fitz?

I haven't read anything to indicate he isn't up to the job.
So no.

[Rockindeano]

TNC, you think O should fire Fitz?

I don't. Fitz is fine, but I do wonder why Cheney was never implicated in the Plame case. That reeked so much of GOP stink it was funny. It was at that time, I just threw my hands up and laughed. We as a people were screwed until the elections. We took care of that shit quick enough though, eh?

[bluejeangirl76]

I'm suspicious right away... one word:

Chicago’s Fox affiliate.

Heard a joke made on the news this morning about changing the state bird from the cardinal to the jailbird. Pffft. Mine was funnier. These people need to leave it to the pros.

[Rhiannon]

Random question... why is Fox Network's TV programming so liberal bias (Family Guy, etc) and Fox News more to the right?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Random question... why is Fox Network's TV programming so liberal bias (Family Guy, etc) and Fox News more to the right?

Family Guy has taken their fair share of potshots at the GOP and Bush, but Rush Limbaugh did lend his voice to the Star Wars episode and it was damn funny.

Fox News yields right simply because there was a void in the marketplace.
Ted Turner summed it up pretty well: "I also said in there that I knew that that was our most vulnerable spot before I even went on the air with CNN that a right wing network would pose a threat because not only was CNN pretty much in the middle but so were CBS, NBC, and ABC. And you’re right. The far right did not have a voice."

[Rockindeano]

She's got legs...

You DO know that you are the only who who believes this, right? I don't see the other Cons in here trumpeting the call to political war. Only you. It is quite comical.

It's proven Obama nor any of his staff are involved. There are more important things out there to be honest, like the auto loan that three assholes of your party blocked, for political purposes. It is so disgraceful for what your party has become, that even the White House agrees, and is going to pay the loan out of the 700B dollar bailout. See, republican senators McConnell-KY, Corker-TN and Shelby-AL, all blocked this due to the fact that the UAW is involved and ding ding ding! They side with the Democrats. It isn't a coincidence either that all three of these jerkoffs come from the South. The South is good for absolutely nothing except Nascar and Jack Daniels.

Anout this scandal having legs. Dude, try turning the channel. Yes, CNN and MSNBC have run this ad nauseum as well, but Fixed News is out of control. 24/7 scandal...lol You folks on the extreme right are going to love the next decade.

[Rockindeano]

Fox News yields right simply because there was a void in the marketplace.

Yes, and the fact Rupert Murdoch is a founding father of Conservatism played a role in finding the capital to fund Fixed News.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It must be working with so many libs hating them and the ratings thru the roof.

Like Limbaugh, they continually win the demographic of 65-embalmed.
Fox News, like most of the AM white noise echo chamber, wins very little converts and is not sustainable.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Fox News yields right simply because there was a void in the marketplace.

Yes, and the fact Rupert Murdoch is a founding father of Conservatism played a role in finding the capital to fund Fixed News.

Yeh, but even he is increasingly embarassed of it.
Roger Ailes, the former Rush Limbaugh producer and GOP political operative, really runs the network.
As others have mentioned, that is the equivalent of, say, James Carville or Paul Begala put in charge of CNN.

[The_Noble_Cause]

See, republican senators McConnell-KY, Corker-TN and Shelby-AL, all blocked this due to the fact that the UAW is involved and ding ding ding! They side with the Democrats.

They can't help it - they're just following their genetic code.
The GOP would love nothing more than to drive a stake through the unions once and for all.
In a way, they are finally making good on their promise to return to "Reagan-conservatism."
What better way to honor their PATCO-busting hero than to destroy one of the last holdouts of organized labor in this country?

[Ehwmatt]

See, republican senators McConnell-KY, Corker-TN and Shelby-AL, all blocked this due to the fact that the UAW is involved and ding ding ding! They side with the Democrats.

They can't help it - they're just following their genetic code.
The GOP would love nothing more than to drive a stake through the unions once and for all.
In a way, they are finally making good on their promise to return to "Reagan-conservatism."
What better way to honor their PATCO-busting hero than to destroy one of the last holdouts of organized labor in this country?

How do you think the unions help themselves or this country today? Not trying to attack/make fun, I'm just curious. Seems to me they exhausted their usefulness/original purpose long ago.

[Voyager]

CNN just reported that Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has petitioned the State Supreme Court to shit-can Blago.

Good riddance!

[strangegrey]

Fox News yields right simply because there was a void in the marketplace.

Yes, and the fact Rupert Murdoch is a founding father of Conservatism played a role in finding the capital to fund Fixed News.

Right, but I think the initial push was to try to capture conservative viewers...as there was a legitimate business market for it. I think that doesn't wash these days. CNN has moved very much to the center, unlike the way it was in the mid 90s....

In fact, I would submit that CNN is the most balanced news network on TV right now. They're fair and balanced, where as fox...who uses the very slogan to advertise itself....is not.

[Onestepper]

Fox News yields right simply because there was a void in the marketplace.

Yes, and the fact Rupert Murdoch is a founding father of Conservatism played a role in finding the capital to fund Fixed News.

Right, but I think the initial push was to try to capture conservative viewers...as there was a legitimate business market for it. I think that doesn't wash these days. CNN has moved very much to the center, unlike the way it was in the mid 90s....

In fact, I would submit that CNN is the most balanced news network on TV right now. They're fair and balanced, where as fox...who uses the very slogan to advertise itself....is not.

Agreed. While I despise the fact that as partisan as Fox is, MSNBC has become unwatchable for the same reasons, just on the left. How they don't get more criticism for their blatant partisanship I'll never understand. I have spent more time watching CNN over the last few months than I did over the last several years.

[Blueskies]

Fox News yields right simply because there was a void in the marketplace.

Yes, and the fact Rupert Murdoch is a founding father of Conservatism played a role in finding the capital to fund Fixed News.

Right, but I think the initial push was to try to capture conservative viewers...as there was a legitimate business market for it. I think that doesn't wash these days. CNN has moved very much to the center, unlike the way it was in the mid 90s....

In fact, I would submit that CNN is the most balanced news network on TV right now. They're fair and balanced, where as fox...who uses the very slogan to advertise itself....is not.

Right on! ..I really worry about people who only listen to Fox news and Limbaugh, etc....those people scare me.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

See, republican senators McConnell-KY, Corker-TN and Shelby-AL, all blocked this due to the fact that the UAW is involved and ding ding ding! They side with the Democrats.

They can't help it - they're just following their genetic code.
The GOP would love nothing more than to drive a stake through the unions once and for all.
In a way, they are finally making good on their promise to return to "Reagan-conservatism."
What better way to honor their PATCO-busting hero than to destroy one of the last holdouts of organized labor in this country?

Whatever their motivtions, they're actually right about this one- Go ahead and keep bailing out every industry and what you get is a temporary recovery for three years, followed by a permanent morass of permament strutural unemployment 8- 10 % like they have in France Italy, Spain and had in the UK back when the govt used to own everything. Keynesianism never worked. Reagan, Bush I and Clinton never believed it. Unfortunatley Bush II and Obama are dyed in the wool Keynesians and well pay for it if no one stands up to it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How do you think the unions help themselves or this country today? Not trying to attack/make fun, I'm just curious. Seems to me they exhausted their usefulness/original purpose long ago.

The GOP was anti-union even back in the pre-FDR days of kids working in coal mines seven days a week.
The deceptively attractive meme of "they've outlasted their use" is just a new sheen on an old crock of bull.
Without unions, you can say goodbye to weekends, holidays (if ur still lucky enough to have them), and say hello to working conditions that rival Manilla sweatshops.
Even now, in Bush's 11th hour regulatory overturn blitz, he is encroaching on workers' family and sick leave, while increasing the number of hours truckers drive consecutively. Before that, in 2004, there was his failed push to gut overtime pay for many professions.
If not the unions, who exactly is supposed to be the counterweight to all this?
The corporate press who can't even bring themselves to report it?

The right to organize never gets old.

[Rockindeano]

See, republican senators McConnell-KY, Corker-TN and Shelby-AL, all blocked this due to the fact that the UAW is involved and ding ding ding! They side with the Democrats.

They can't help it - they're just following their genetic code.
The GOP would love nothing more than to drive a stake through the unions once and for all.
In a way, they are finally making good on their promise to return to "Reagan-conservatism."
What better way to honor their PATCO-busting hero than to destroy one of the last holdouts of organized labor in this country?

Whatever their motivtions, they're actually right about this one- Go ahead and keep bailing out every industry and what you get is a temporary recovery for three years, followed by a permanent morass of permament strutural unemployment 8- 10 % like they have in France Italy, Spain and had in the UK back when the govt used to own everything. Keynesianism never worked. Reagan, Bush I and Clinton never believed it. Unfortunatley Bush II and Obama are dyed in the wool Keynesians and well pay for it if no one stands up to it.

It is NOT a bailout. It is a LOAN.

And they are NOT right. GM says it can not make it through December. That means they go into Bankruptcy, which leads to liquidation. People do not and have never bought cars, from a company in bankruptcy.

Are the Auto makers guilty of remaining sterile and not adapting to change? Absolutely. However, a 30 billion loan is a far cry from a 700 billion dollar bailout.

And lest you think America is truly a capitalistic state, think again. The fact that the Administration sent out a tax rebate check to stimulate the economy is proof of that. Just call America Socialism Light, without the passionate programs that real Socialism economies cover.

[Rockindeano]

Fox News yields right simply because there was a void in the marketplace.

Yes, and the fact Rupert Murdoch is a founding father of Conservatism played a role in finding the capital to fund Fixed News.

Right, but I think the initial push was to try to capture conservative viewers...as there was a legitimate business market for it. I think that doesn't wash these days. CNN has moved very much to the center, unlike the way it was in the mid 90s....

In fact, I would submit that CNN is the most balanced news network on TV right now. They're fair and balanced, where as fox...who uses the very slogan to advertise itself....is not.

Absolutely. I like MSNBC because I am left, and think Rachel is pretty damned right on all the time, and love Keith's hammering on Bush, but it does get nauseating. Too much political bias for me. I can't change Lula's mind, so we have to watch that channel all fuckin night. I want to put the game on but always lose out to MSNBC.

The only thing Fox News has on MSNBC is hotter chicks, and to be honest, Contessa Brewer and that one dirty slut looking bitch Soledad whatshername(kind of hot), are making the game a little closer.

Ever notice Fox pans out to show off their female anchor's legs? MSNBC should do that.

[conversationpc]

The GOP was anti-union even back in the pre-FDR days of kids working in coal mines seven days a week.
The deceptively attractive meme of "they've outlasted their use" is just a new sheen on an old crock of bull.

I don't care what the history is...Labor unions are one of the problems now, not the solution. There is still a place for them but something needs to be done about the power they hold over employers.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

See, republican senators McConnell-KY, Corker-TN and Shelby-AL, all blocked this due to the fact that the UAW is involved and ding ding ding! They side with the Democrats.

They can't help it - they're just following their genetic code.
The GOP would love nothing more than to drive a stake through the unions once and for all.
In a way, they are finally making good on their promise to return to "Reagan-conservatism."
What better way to honor their PATCO-busting hero than to destroy one of the last holdouts of organized labor in this country?

Whatever their motivtions, they're actually right about this one- Go ahead and keep bailing out every industry and what you get is a temporary recovery for three years, followed by a permanent morass of permament strutural unemployment 8- 10 % like they have in France Italy, Spain and had in the UK back when the govt used to own everything. Keynesianism never worked. Reagan, Bush I and Clinton never believed it. Unfortunatley Bush II and Obama are dyed in the wool Keynesians and well pay for it if no one stands up to it.

It is NOT a bailout. It is a LOAN.

And they are NOT right. GM says it can not make it through December. That means they go into Bankruptcy, which leads to liquidation. People do not and have never bought cars, from a company in bankruptcy.

Are the Auto makers guilty of remaining sterile and not adapting to change? Absolutely. However, a 30 billion loan is a far cry from a 700 billion dollar bailout.

And lest you think America is truly a capitalistic state, think again. The fact that the Administration sent out a tax rebate check to stimulate the economy is proof of that. Just call America Socialism Light, without the passionate programs that real Socialism economies cover.

It aint a goddamn loan its away for the government ot get hold another industry and to get the jackboot on the back of our necks.

Yes the tax rebate had keynesian motivations and it was uneffective an wrong. Only permament reductions in marginal rates which encourage investment are prudent tax cuts.

and whether its Socialist lite amerian style or French socialism or russian socialism it willl all fail - in varying degrees. its like the difference between american beer and european beer. it might take 20 american beers go get you as drunk as 8 european ones, but it will still get you eventually.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Agreed. While I despise the fact that as partisan as Fox is, MSNBC has become unwatchable for the same reasons, just on the left. How they don't get more criticism for their blatant partisanship I'll never understand. I have spent more time watching CNN over the last few months than I did over the last several years.

Aside from their primetime lineup of Olbermann and his rugmuncher friend, the lineup is as straight and narrow as Shep Smith is on Fox.
While Olbermann's show has now evolved into something of a liberal media stronghold, (with regular guests from The Nation and Air America), the Right was bitching already when he merely tackled this corrupt administration head-on.
That wasn't being liberal.
That was doing his job.

[Blueskies]

Fox News yields right simply because there was a void in the marketplace.

Yes, and the fact Rupert Murdoch is a founding father of Conservatism played a role in finding the capital to fund Fixed News.

Right, but I think the initial push was to try to capture conservative viewers...as there was a legitimate business market for it. I think that doesn't wash these days. CNN has moved very much to the center, unlike the way it was in the mid 90s....

In fact, I would submit that CNN is the most balanced news network on TV right now. They're fair and balanced, where as fox...who uses the very slogan to advertise itself....is not.

Right on! ..I really worry about people who only listen to Fox news and Limbaugh, etc....those people scare me.

Boo!

Yes, you do scare me!

[Onestepper]

Agreed. While I despise the fact that as partisan as Fox is, MSNBC has become unwatchable for the same reasons, just on the left. How they don't get more criticism for their blatant partisanship I'll never understand. I have spent more time watching CNN over the last few months than I did over the last several years.

Aside from their primetime lineup of Olbermann and his rugmuncher friend, the lineup is as straight and narrow as Shep Smith is on Fox.
While Olbermann's show has now evolved into something of a liberal media strong hold, (with regular guests from The Nation and Air America), the Right was bitching already when he merely tackled this corrupt administration head-on.
That wasn't being liberal.
That was doing his job.

While I think Olbermann is the worst offender of the bias (given his anchor position for a time during the height of the election), I think it's a stretch to say that network has been straight and narrow. Between Hardball, and the RM show, they pretty much have the left side of the dial in full orgasm mode around the clock. I would hardly call David Schuster and Andrea Mitchell straight down the middle.

[bluejeangirl76]

Why the change of subject from Blago/Obama to the Auto Industry? Hmmmmm...some seem touchy about this mess in Chi-Town...as well they should.

Personally, I'm not touchy. I didn't vote for that fucker and I hope he goes down hard.

I'm pretty pissed though. He's made us look horrible and he might cost us the Olympic bid. If that happens, Mayor Daley is gonna have him fitted for cement shoes pronto.