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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:53 am

Onestepper wrote:I would hardly call David Schuster and Andrea Mitchell straight down the middle.


I would.
Andrew Mitchell at times, alot like Tim Russert, tries too hard to be fair, and the truth gets blurred as a consequence.

I won't even mention Chris Mathews, who, if anything, has proven himself to be an utmost political opportunist.
For every recent case of him experiencing Obama-inspired leg-tingles, there exists just as many, if not more, of him formerly gushing over Bush's Lincoln-esque "suny nobility" and Fred Thompson's "manly aqua-velva cigar musk."
Total whore, now vainly chasing after Olbermann's vaportrail.
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Postby Onestepper » Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:56 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Onestepper wrote:I would hardly call David Schuster and Andrea Mitchell straight down the middle.


I would.
Andrew Mitchell at times, alot like Tim Russert, tries too hard to be fair, and the truth gets lost as a consequence.

I won't even mention Chris Mathews, who, if anything, has proven himself to be an utmost political opportunist.
For every recent case of him experiencing Obama-inspired leg-tingles, there exists just as many, if not more, of him gushing over Bush's Lincoln-esque "suny nobility" and Fred Thompson's "manly aqua-velva cigar musk."


I lost all respect for Mathews when he said that it was 'his job as a journalist' to make sure that Obama has a successful presidency. I have no interest in anything he says again as a journalist. If he wants to become a politician or advocate, that is another story.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:57 am

Onestepper wrote:I lost all respect for Mathews when he said that it was 'his job as a journalist' to make sure that Obama has a successful presidency. I have no interest in anything he says again as a journalist. If he wants to become a politician or advocate, that is another story.


I never viewed that guy as a journalist.
Just another loud mouthed Irishman like O'Reilly.
Only difference is, Bill-O figured out a long time ago which side of the partisan divide to cash his chips.
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Postby Onestepper » Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:59 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Onestepper wrote:I lost all respect for Mathews when he said that it was 'his job as a journalist' to make sure that Obama has a successful presidency. I have no interest in anything he says again as a journalist. If he wants to become a politician or advocate, that is another story.


I never viewed that guy as a journalist.
Just another loud mouthed Irishman like O'Reilly.
Only difference is, Bill-O figured out a long time ago which side of the partisan divide to cash his chips.


Exactly, and CM is making millions as a commentator, not a journalist. Doesn't matter which side of the aisle he sits. It's him that needs to figure out the difference.
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Postby Voyager » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:06 am

If they are forced into Chapter 11 bankruptcy it will end up with an asset sell-off and become a Chapter 7. Then we will have no more GM or Chrysler, and maybe no Ford. The greedy unions will have ran off the last viable large manufacturing sector that we have left in the country.

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Postby Jana » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:07 am

Onestepper wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Onestepper wrote:I lost all respect for Mathews when he said that it was 'his job as a journalist' to make sure that Obama has a successful presidency. I have no interest in anything he says again as a journalist. If he wants to become a politician or advocate, that is another story.


I never viewed that guy as a journalist.
Just another loud mouthed Irishman like O'Reilly.
Only difference is, Bill-O figured out a long time ago which side of the partisan divide to cash his chips.


Exactly, and CM is making millions as a commentator, not a journalist. Doesn't matter which side of the aisle he sits. It's him that needs to figure out the difference.


Yeah, but that comment was over the top even for him. I was watching Morning Joe when he said it. His treatment of Hillary is when I couldn't stomach him anymore. He was blatantly for Obama.
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Postby Onestepper » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:13 am

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The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Onestepper wrote:I lost all respect for Mathews when he said that it was 'his job as a journalist' to make sure that Obama has a successful presidency. I have no interest in anything he says again as a journalist. If he wants to become a politician or advocate, that is another story.


I never viewed that guy as a journalist.
Just another loud mouthed Irishman like O'Reilly.
Only difference is, Bill-O figured out a long time ago which side of the partisan divide to cash his chips.


Exactly, and CM is making millions as a commentator, not a journalist. Doesn't matter which side of the aisle he sits. It's him that needs to figure out the difference.


Yeah, but that comment was over the top even for him. I was watching Morning Joe when he said it. His treatment of Hillary is when I couldn't stomach him anymore. He was blatantly for Obama.


Yep I was watching as well. I was shocked. JoeS even gave him the opportunity to get out of it and he refused. The resident liberal on Morning Joe, Bzinzski even said she couldn't believe he just said it.
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Postby Jana » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:21 am

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Fact Finder wrote:Why the change of subject from Blago/Obama to the Auto Industry? Hmmmmm...some seem touchy about this mess in Chi-Town...as well they should.


Personally, I'm not touchy. I didn't vote for that fucker and I hope he goes down hard.

I'm pretty pissed though. He's made us look horrible and he might cost us the Olympic bid. If that happens, Mayor Daley is gonna have him fitted for cement shoes pronto.


I'm not touchy either. Put him in jail and lock up the key. But Obama wasn't trying to make a deal. Of course, they're going to have had conversations re the pick, and by "they," I mean someone connected to Obama. And if you want to know the truth, if it comes out he made an overture and they turned him down and didn't report it, I don't care. I wouldn't care if it was McCain.

I'm worried about the economy and hoping this recession doesn't turn into a depression.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:22 am

Onestepper wrote: The resident liberal on Morning Joe, Bzinzski....


Uhhh, no.
Just because her vag blushes everytime Obama is mentioned does not make her "the resident liberal.'
Joe was actually a Republican congressman who frequently expresses beliefs in small gov't, low taxes etc.
What ideology does Mike Brzezinski stand for, aside from blind celebrity worship?
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Postby strangegrey » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:25 am

Rockindeano wrote:Absolutely. I like MSNBC because I am left, and think Rachel is pretty damned right on all the time, and love Keith's hammering on Bush, but it does get nauseating. Too much political bias for me. I can't change Lula's mind, so we have to watch that channel all fuckin night. I want to put the game on but always lose out to MSNBC.

The only thing Fox News has on MSNBC is hotter chicks, and to be honest, Contessa Brewer and that one dirty slut looking bitch Soledad whatshername(kind of hot), are making the game a little closer.

Ever notice Fox pans out to show off their female anchor's legs? MSNBC should do that.


Rachel is fucking fantastic. I never thought I would dig a butch lesbian as much as I do. She's sharp as a razor and she actually researches her material. I watch MSNBC because of her...if there was ever a smart, sharp radio/tv threat to conservatism, it's her.

As far as Olberman goes...his vile gets very old very quickly. Also...as much as Rachel researches her material, Olberman doesn't. He often will spew something from an aire of 'in the know', and what he's really doing is spewing talking points that were never researched at the DNC. I enjoy it when he's *right* and hammers bush accordingly....but when he's wrong, and delivers it from that aire or worse, from vile churning anger...it reminds me why liberals can leave a bad taste in my mouth. Olberman does as much harm to spreading liberalism as Limbaugh does to spreading conservatism.



Also agreed about the poontang they are showing on Fox. Great stuff. I've noticed that female news anchors have gotten more and more...well...hot. I think HD tv has alot to do with that...
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Postby AlteredDNA » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:25 am

Voyager wrote:CNN just reported that Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has petitioned the State Supreme Court to shit-can Blago.

Good riddance!

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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:27 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Why the change of subject from Blago/Obama to the Auto Industry? Hmmmmm...some seem touchy about this mess in Chi-Town...as well they should.


I figured this was coming. Sorry, but I was preoccupied taking a shit and listening to Jim Rome.

Dude, tjis is where you don't get it. I hope Blago goes to prison along with his wife. I am an equal opportunity basher for BOTH parties. The problem I have with you is trying to connect Obama with this.

Obama has proven what a good guy he is. To come up in politics, in the dirtiest political city, and remain straight as an arrow, says something about his integrity.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:28 am

strangegrey wrote:As far as Olberman goes...his vile gets very old very quickly. Also...as much as Rachel researches her material, Olberman doesn't. He often will spew something from an aire of 'in the know', and what he's really doing is spewing talking points that were never researched at the DNC. I enjoy it when he's *right* and hammers bush accordingly....but when he's wrong, and delivers it from that aire or worse, from vile churning anger...it reminds me why liberals can leave a bad taste in my mouth. Olberman does as much harm to spreading liberalism as Limbaugh does to spreading conservatism....


Have no idea where you're getting any of this.
Keith was the guy who forced the network to give Maddow her own show.
Some nights I tune her out cuz she is just repeating news stories Olbermann already covered.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:28 am

Fact Finder wrote:Dude, you're gonna get 4 years of shit from me on O, just like you guys did to W. Goose/Gander thingEy.


If Obama deserves it, fire away. Hell, I will join you. But at least give the guy a chance to govern.
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:31 am

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Fact Finder wrote:Dude, you're gonna get 4 years of shit from me on O, just like you guys did to W. Goose/Gander thingEy.


If Obama deserves it, fire away. Hell, I will join you. But at least give the guy a chance to govern.


Exactly, the guy has not even been in office yet. That's why it's called President ELECT.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:32 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
strangegrey wrote:As far as Olberman goes...his vile gets very old very quickly. Also...as much as Rachel researches her material, Olberman doesn't. He often will spew something from an aire of 'in the know', and what he's really doing is spewing talking points that were never researched at the DNC. I enjoy it when he's *right* and hammers bush accordingly....but when he's wrong, and delivers it from that aire or worse, from vile churning anger...it reminds me why liberals can leave a bad taste in my mouth. Olberman does as much harm to spreading liberalism as Limbaugh does to spreading conservatism....


Have no idea where you're getting any of this.
Keith was the guy who forced the network to give Maddow her own show.
Some nights I tune her out cuz she is just repeating news stories Olbermann already covered.


Yes, but Dan Abrams who now runs the channel, was a big Rachel guy. He was as big a reason as Keith for bringing Rachel onboard, because she took his time slot. He basically picked his successor. I dig Abrams legal stuff. He would hammer everyone and was very smart and competent.
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Postby Jana » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:35 am

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Rockindeano wrote:Absolutely. I like MSNBC because I am left, and think Rachel is pretty damned right on all the time, and love Keith's hammering on Bush, but it does get nauseating. Too much political bias for me. I can't change Lula's mind, so we have to watch that channel all fuckin night. I want to put the game on but always lose out to MSNBC.

The only thing Fox News has on MSNBC is hotter chicks, and to be honest, Contessa Brewer and that one dirty slut looking bitch Soledad whatshername(kind of hot), are making the game a little closer.

Ever notice Fox pans out to show off their female anchor's legs? MSNBC should do that.


Rachel is fucking fantastic. I never thought I would dig a butch lesbian as much as I do. She's sharp as a razor and she actually researches her material. I watch MSNBC because of her...if there was ever a smart, sharp radio/tv threat to conservatism, it's her.

As far as Olberman goes...his vile gets very old very quickly. Also...as much as Rachel researches her material, Olberman doesn't. He often will spew something from an aire of 'in the know', and what he's really doing is spewing talking points that were never researched at the DNC. I enjoy it when he's *right* and hammers bush accordingly....but when he's wrong, and delivers it from that aire or worse, from vile churning anger...it reminds me why liberals can leave a bad taste in my mouth. Olberman does as much harm to spreading liberalism as Limbaugh does to spreading conservatism.


I agree. I did not think I was going to like her, but she's great and knowledgeable and very respectful to the Republicans she has on the show, while disagreeing with them. Olbermann I can't take. The problem with Rachael is she doesn't have, for the most part, a good enough balance with some great contributors yet. Sometimes the show seems flat and it's just her and that geeky guy she has on a lot. Of course, I haven't watched in a while, so maybe it's improved.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:39 am

Rockindeano wrote:Yes, but Dan Abrams who now runs the channel,


Not anymore. He's back to being the NBC on-staff legal ace and nothing more.

Rockindeano wrote:[Abrams] was a big Rachel guy. He was as big a reason as Keith for bringing Rachel onboard, because she took his time slot. He basically picked his successor.


False.
According to New York Magazine, upon learning he was being cancelled for the second time, and that the upstart Maddow was replacing him, his reaction was "What the fuck."
It was widely reported that Olbermann used his clout to browbeat the suits into giving her the gig.

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Postby strangegrey » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:39 am

Rockindeano wrote:It is NOT a bailout. It is a LOAN.

And they are NOT right. GM says it can not make it through December. That means they go into Bankruptcy, which leads to liquidation. People do not and have never bought cars, from a company in bankruptcy.

Are the Auto makers guilty of remaining sterile and not adapting to change? Absolutely. However, a 30 billion loan is a far cry from a 700 billion dollar bailout.

And lest you think America is truly a capitalistic state, think again. The fact that the Administration sent out a tax rebate check to stimulate the economy is proof of that. Just call America Socialism Light, without the passionate programs that real Socialism economies cover.


Dean, that argument is 100% spot on for banks. Consumer confidence in banks is absolutely paramount in order for the banks to stay in business...as the assets of the bank are not actually controlled by the bank. The second people loose confidence in the bank, they'll take their money elsewhere. A bailout prevents that...although, another time and another discussion, we need to talk about whether the Economic Stablization Act of 2008 is actually doing as advertised...Regardless, the intent of bailing out banks is a just intent.


However, a bailout or a loan to the car industry is not sound. Consumer confidence isn't the issue here...you cant sit there with a straight face and say that people will start buying Suburbans, Explorers and Jeeps....just because the big three have been given enough taxpayer money to get them through to jan 31, 2009 (or more likely, just to year end). That doesn't fly.

Comsumer confidence isn't the issue. Poor product is the issue. If a company is making poor product that no one wants to buy....there's a reason for that. And to that same end...if no one wants to buy it as a consumer, they darn well dont want to fucking buy it as a taxpayer! :?

Now you are most certainly right in saying that people dont buy cars from a failing auto company....but the bailout is NOT going to change the underlying problems that put detroit in the dire circumstances it's in....and if you think, after the lobbyists are done with our so called representatives, that a bailout is going to ensure that those underlying problems are completely irradicated from the Big 3's business structure....I submit that the government would be better off spending 15-30 billion on a bridge in alaska...
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:43 am

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The_Noble_Cause wrote:The GOP was anti-union even back in the pre-FDR days of kids working in coal mines seven days a week.
The deceptively attractive meme of "they've outlasted their use" is just a new sheen on an old crock of bull.


I don't care what the history is...Labor unions are one of the problems now, not the solution. There is still a place for them but something needs to be done about the power they hold over employers.


With all due respect TNC, that sounds a little scorched earth to me. Oh well, we'll never live to see your theory tested.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:43 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Yes, but Dan Abrams who now runs the channel,


Not anymore. He's back to being the NBC on-staff legal ace and nothing more.

Rockindeano wrote:[Abrams] was a big Rachel guy. He was as big a reason as Keith for bringing Rachel onboard, because she took his time slot. He basically picked his successor.


False.
According to New York Magazine, upon learning he was being cancelled for the second time, and that the upstart Maddow was replacing him, his reaction was "What the fuck."
It was widely reported that Olbermann used his clout to browbeat the suits into giving her the gig.

http://nymag.com/news/media/51822/index3.html


Thanks for the correction. I obviously heard wrong. I wonder if Dan will go elsewhere, to CNN or even Court TV and take that C*$t Nancy Grace's gig?
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Postby Onestepper » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:44 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Onestepper wrote: The resident liberal on Morning Joe, Bzinzski....


Uhhh, no.
Just because her vag blushes everytime Obama is mentioned does not make her "the resident liberal.'
Joe was actually a Republican congressman who frequently expresses beliefs in small gov't, low taxes etc.
What ideology does Mike Brzezinski stand for, aside from blind celebrity worship?


Who cares. I was merely making the point that the person who steps up to the liberal agenda on the show thought Mathews comments were out of bounds. Nothing more or less.
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Postby Onestepper » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:45 am

Rockindeano wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Yes, but Dan Abrams who now runs the channel,


Not anymore. He's back to being the NBC on-staff legal ace and nothing more.

Rockindeano wrote:[Abrams] was a big Rachel guy. He was as big a reason as Keith for bringing Rachel onboard, because she took his time slot. He basically picked his successor.


False.
According to New York Magazine, upon learning he was being cancelled for the second time, and that the upstart Maddow was replacing him, his reaction was "What the fuck."
It was widely reported that Olbermann used his clout to browbeat the suits into giving her the gig.

http://nymag.com/news/media/51822/index3.html


Thanks for the correction. I obviously heard wrong. I wonder if Dan will go elsewhere, to CNN or even Court TV and take that C*$t Nancy Grace's gig?


He started at Courtv, it's not high profile enough for him now that they are doing reality crap. I think as soon as his contract is up, he is gone. I could see him doing well at CNN.
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Postby Voyager » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:47 am

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Voyager wrote:CNN just reported that Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has petitioned the State Supreme Court to shit-can Blago.

Good riddance!

8)


No due process?


Not if he is determined to be unfit to govern. The guy is obviously mentally ill.

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Postby Onestepper » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:50 am

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AlteredDNA wrote:
Voyager wrote:CNN just reported that Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has petitioned the State Supreme Court to shit-can Blago.

Good riddance!

8)


No due process?


Not if he is determined to be unfit to govern. The guy is obviously mentally ill.

8)


Unfit can also be classified as impaired judgment of issues or the conducting of state business over charged ethical violations. I think he's pretty much got that covered.
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Postby Jana » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:50 am

Onestepper wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Onestepper wrote: The resident liberal on Morning Joe, Bzinzski....


Uhhh, no.
Just because her vag blushes everytime Obama is mentioned does not make her "the resident liberal.'
Joe was actually a Republican congressman who frequently expresses beliefs in small gov't, low taxes etc.
What ideology does Mike Brzezinski stand for, aside from blind celebrity worship?


Who cares. I was merely making the point that the person who steps up to the liberal agenda on the show thought Mathews comments were out of bounds. Nothing more or less.


I never even realized she was for Obama until McCain had his meltdown with her that day. I just enjoyed the show, even thought I'm a Democrat, because during the primaries he had a wide variety of guests on the show from both sides and also contributors I like for analyses, such as Russert (until he died) and Brokaw, etc. But Joe is starting to show a little bittnerness since the election :lol: .
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Postby Onestepper » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:53 am

Jana wrote:
Onestepper wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Onestepper wrote: The resident liberal on Morning Joe, Bzinzski....


Uhhh, no.
Just because her vag blushes everytime Obama is mentioned does not make her "the resident liberal.'
Joe was actually a Republican congressman who frequently expresses beliefs in small gov't, low taxes etc.
What ideology does Mike Brzezinski stand for, aside from blind celebrity worship?


Who cares. I was merely making the point that the person who steps up to the liberal agenda on the show thought Mathews comments were out of bounds. Nothing more or less.


I never even realized she was for Obama until McCain had his meltdown with her that day. I just enjoyed the show, even thought I'm a Democrat, because during the primaries he had a wide variety of guests on the show from both sides and also contributors I like for analyses, such as Russert (until he died) and Brokaw, etc. But Joe is starting to show a little bittnerness since the election :lol: .


Yeah, I thought their pre-election shows were much better. He seems to have an agenda to make something out of nothing in regards to Obama, which is surprising given how relatively down the center he was leading up the election.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:53 am

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Rockindeano wrote:It is NOT a bailout. It is a LOAN.

And they are NOT right. GM says it can not make it through December. That means they go into Bankruptcy, which leads to liquidation. People do not and have never bought cars, from a company in bankruptcy.

Are the Auto makers guilty of remaining sterile and not adapting to change? Absolutely. However, a 30 billion loan is a far cry from a 700 billion dollar bailout.

And lest you think America is truly a capitalistic state, think again. The fact that the Administration sent out a tax rebate check to stimulate the economy is proof of that. Just call America Socialism Light, without the passionate programs that real Socialism economies cover.


Dean, that argument is 100% spot on for banks. Consumer confidence in banks is absolutely paramount in order for the banks to stay in business...as the assets of the bank are not actually controlled by the bank. The second people loose confidence in the bank, they'll take their money elsewhere. A bailout prevents that...although, another time and another discussion, we need to talk about whether the Economic Stablization Act of 2008 is actually doing as advertised...Regardless, the intent of bailing out banks is a just intent.


However, a bailout or a loan to the car industry is not sound. Consumer confidence isn't the issue here...you cant sit there with a straight face and say that people will start buying Suburbans, Explorers and Jeeps....just because the big three have been given enough taxpayer money to get them through to jan 31, 2009 (or more likely, just to year end). That doesn't fly.

Comsumer confidence isn't the issue. Poor product is the issue. If a company is making poor product that no one wants to buy....there's a reason for that. And to that same end...if no one wants to buy it as a consumer, they darn well dont want to fucking buy it as a taxpayer! :?

Now you are most certainly right in saying that people dont buy cars from a failing auto company....but the bailout is NOT going to change the underlying problems that put detroit in the dire circumstances it's in....and if you think, after the lobbyists are done with our so called representatives, that a bailout is going to ensure that those underlying problems are completely irradicated from the Big 3's business structure....I submit that the government would be better off spending 15-30 billion on a bridge in alaska...


Ok look. I know it stings, but what is the Gov't supposed to do? Let them fail? You have any idea of the major ramifications we would experience? The jobless claims would rival the population of Colorado, the image of America would be seriously injured and mocked and that is a big deal by the way. People out of work don't behave very nice. They tend to get chippy, and get hungry as well. They tend to commit crimes in order to feed themselves and their families. So the Big 2(Chrysler sucks), has proven they have NO vision. They let Honda and Toyota keep rolling right along, and now Nissan is a big power again. The three assholes, Waggoner, Nardelli and the Ford clown, are now asking for a loan, not free money. Those dolts arrived at the Capitol in domestic cars this last time, rather than three separate private jets, and maybe they get the message. If the government turns their backs on the Auto industry, who knows what next industry will fail. You pick, could be anyone. This Bush economy has hurt a lot of people. Manufacturing is down, and as a result, so are sales. So in this one little example, When Toro stopped making their new 2009 lawnmowers and weedeaters, Home Depot stopped ordering them, and Union Pacific stopped delivering them, thus Toro and Home Depot laid off workers..and so on and so on. This economy is a result of a failed Bush presidency, and tax breaks for the wealthy. Trickle down failed-again. I do know this economy and the auto situation is different caused by different variables, but we as a people are all in this together. And for those asshole Senators in the South, fuck you. Next time a hurricane buries your sorry states, how would you like it if people of Michigan and Indiana and NY said, "deal with it" ??
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Postby Jana » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:54 am

Onestepper wrote:
Jana wrote:
Onestepper wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Onestepper wrote: The resident liberal on Morning Joe, Bzinzski....


Uhhh, no.
Just because her vag blushes everytime Obama is mentioned does not make her "the resident liberal.'
Joe was actually a Republican congressman who frequently expresses beliefs in small gov't, low taxes etc.
What ideology does Mike Brzezinski stand for, aside from blind celebrity worship?


Who cares. I was merely making the point that the person who steps up to the liberal agenda on the show thought Mathews comments were out of bounds. Nothing more or less.


I never even realized she was for Obama until McCain had his meltdown with her that day. I just enjoyed the show, even thought I'm a Democrat, because during the primaries he had a wide variety of guests on the show from both sides and also contributors I like for analyses, such as Russert (until he died) and Brokaw, etc. But Joe is starting to show a little bittnerness since the election :lol: .


Yeah, I thought their pre-election shows were much better. He seems to have an agenda to make something out of nothing in regards to Obama, which is surprising given how relatively down the center he was leading up the election.


Exactly.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:56 am

Onestepper wrote:Who cares. I was merely making the point that the person who steps up to the liberal agenda on the show thought Mathews comments were out of bounds. Nothing more or less.


Giggling like a twit and twirling her hair at every mention of "Obama" is not implementing a "liberal agenda."
Rachel Maddow steps up to the liberal agenda.
Mika, on the other hand, is just an telemprompter reader in Obama's big tent personality cult.

I'm just weary of everyone in the media being indiscriminately tarred as "a liberal" when so little liberal orthodoxy makes it into that day's fishwrap.
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