OT - Satriani sues Coldplay!!because of (La Vida)

[Arkansas]

http://popsquire.com/2008/01/15/avril-l ... -all-over/


later~

[JohnH]

I play music by ear although I did get a degree. Play pro in several bands. Saw the video where it plays both songs at the same time. Coldplay are guilty guys.

[JohnH]

Check this one out!

Jefferson Starship- "Jane"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PwG6962 ... re=related

Aldo Nova- "Fantasy"...just skip past the 1st minute or so of bullshit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GylirgHFqeQ

I actually like the Aldo Nova album and was a huge Jeff Starship fan and I can honestly say I never put these two songs together until now. Pretty weird. At least Aldo Nova changed it up into a separate song, compared to the Coldplay BS.

It's always been obvious to me where Aldo Nova got the riff from but the songs are so different that he pulled it off well.

[TRAGChick]

Coldplay's return salvo:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/2008120 ... p_eo/72454

Coldplay to Satriani: Get Off Our Backs!

Josh Grossberg – 55 mins ago

Los Angeles (E! Online) – Say it ain't so, Joe!

Coldplay has finally gotten around to shooting down Joe Satriani's allegations of song-swiping made in a copyright-infringement suit filed last week.

In a statement Tuesday, Chris Martin and crew flatly deny lifting the melody of the guitar whiz's 2004 track "If I Could Fly" for their chart-dominating "Viva La Vida."

"If there are any similarities between our two pieces of music, they are entirely coincidental, and just as surprising to us as to him," Coldplay says. "Joe Satriani is a great musician, but he did not write the song 'Viva La Vida.' We respectfully ask him to accept our assurances of this and wish him well with all future endeavors."

We're guessing the compliment will fall on deaf ears. Satriani just told the site Music Radar that hearing Coldplay's tune "felt like a dagger went right through my heart, it hurt so much."

"The second I heart it, I knew it was 'If I Could Fly,' " he said. "I spent so long writing the song, thinking about it, loving it, nursing it, and then finally recording it ...and then somebody comes along and plays the exact same song and calls it their own."
And scores an iPod ad and three Grammy nominations—Record of the Year, Song of the Year and Best Pop Vocal Performance by a Duo or a Group.

[Saint John]

Coldplay should tell Satriani to go fuck himself.

[FishinMagician]

I'm with Coldplay on this one and I hate them fuckers. Satch is being a big fuckin' baby and should shut his mouth. Not enough there to convince me.

Come off it dude - when the tracks are laid over each its even the same KEY!

I don't know whether you meant they changed the pitch in the video( which they did), or that the two songs are in the same key. Satch's is in D major and ColdFucks is in A maj I think... but they are different nonetheless. Not that it matters though because there is no way to prove Coldplay heard the song before, and that is what it comes down to.

[finalfight]

I'm with Coldplay on this one and I hate them fuckers. Satch is being a big fuckin' baby and should shut his mouth. Not enough there to convince me.

Come off it dude - when the tracks are laid over each its even the same KEY!

I don't know whether you meant they changed the pitch in the video( which they did), or that the two songs are in the same key. Satch's is in D major and ColdFucks is in A maj I think... but they are different nonetheless. Not that it matters though because there is no way to prove Coldplay heard the song before, and that is what it comes down to.

No way to prove they didn't either. It's like you rear ending another vehicle = you are liable regardless of the circumstances because you came from behind and should have been paying more attention. Coldplay came from behind and will feel the loss financially.

[brywool]

Actually, there's a Satriani tune that sounds very much like a Lionel Richie tune. Can't remember it off the top of my head, but I could totally put the words of it to the instrumental.

While I think the CP and Satch songs are really similar, I think it's dumb that he's suing them over it.

[Jana]

Actually, there's a Satriani tune that sounds very much like a Lionel Richie tune. Can't remember it off the top of my head, but I could totally put the words of it to the instrumental.

While I think the CP and Satch songs are really similar, I think it's dumb that he's suing them over it.

Didn't Avril Lavigne have the same problem?

[skinsguy]

I'm curious as to how all of this will turn out. Like you guys said previously, musicians "steal" riffs and stuff from others all the time. Of course, listening to the melody of Satch's song and the Melody of Viva La Vida, it's almost identical in melody.

[Rockindeano]

I'm curious as to how all of this will turn out. Like you guys said previously, musicians "steal" riffs and stuff from others all the time. Of course, listening to the melody of Satch's song and the Melody of Viva La Vida, it's almost identical in melody.

On the Stern Show just now, Coldplay has publicly said, that "any similarities are purely coincidental."

I agree, guilty.

[FishinMagician]

this whole thing is stupid. It's just a semantics issue as well as the good 'ole "correlation does not equal causation".

[brywool]

My Sweet Lord
(Do Lang Do Lang Do Lang)

[Rockindeano]

Want to bet that Coldplay and Satch end up on some awards show, together, playing it together, and thus making it a huge success. This shit always happens.

Dan, Coldplay sucks, and with regard to talent, they can't carry Satch's axe, or songwriting abilities.

[Ehwmatt]

Want to bet that Coldplay and Satch end up on some awards show, together, playing it together, and thus making it a huge success. This shit always happens.

Dan, Coldplay sucks, and with regard to talent, they can't carry Satch's axe, or songwriting abilities.

Pretty likely scenario. I'm willing to bet that guys that are "famous" in some circles, but not really "big," like Satch and Steve Vai, have done well with their music careers but aren't loaded by any means. I'm sure Satch is legitimately pissed/miffed at the whole thing and wants a piece of the money pie.

But still, proving they ripped him in court would be an uphill battle, I would think.

[Saint John]

Want to bet that Coldplay and Satch end up on some awards show, together, playing it together, and thus making it a huge success. This shit always happens.

Dan, Coldplay sucks, and with regard to talent, they can't carry Satch's axe, or songwriting abilities.

I fuckin' hate Coldplay, but I hate crybabies like Satriani even worse. He has a weak case at best.

[Ehwmatt]

Want to bet that Coldplay and Satch end up on some awards show, together, playing it together, and thus making it a huge success. This shit always happens.

Dan, Coldplay sucks, and with regard to talent, they can't carry Satch's axe, or songwriting abilities.

I fuckin' hate Coldplay, but I hate crybabies like Satriani even worse. He has a weak case at best.

Satch is awesome. He's also always come across as a very humble guy in any interview/piece I've seen on him. I don't think he's trying to split hairs or attention monger. This is a guy who put countless hours into becoming the virtuoso he is and countless hours into his songwriting. He legitimately feels he was ripped off and is watching someone get rich off of his work. Like I touched on above, I really doubt Satch is anywhere near being able to just kick back and retire. I'm sure he lives comfortably, but isn't loaded with millions of dollars. He wants a cut, it would help him out.

I personally believe Coldplay ripped him off. I also agree with you that he has a weak case. The biggest issue is that its a guitar melody vs a vocal melody. Unless the adjudicator(s) in the case are seasoned in music, that's strike #1. Plus, it is indeed hard to prove plagiarism with the limited amounts of possible note combinations/keys/chord progressions etc etc.

[Uno_up]

ANY press these days is GOOD press for Joe. How many people have clicked on his youtube videos or sampled some of his other songs just because of this?...It's a WIN/WIN...

The method to his madness? He pays a few grand to lawyers and recoups quadruple that in music sales...

Also, a nice lead in for the Chickenfoot project.

[TRAGChick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=related

Hmmmmmm.... curiouser & curiouser....

Clicked this link, and got this:

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by EMI Music"

[finalfight]

Want to bet that Coldplay and Satch end up on some awards show, together, playing it together, and thus making it a huge success. This shit always happens.

Dan, Coldplay sucks, and with regard to talent, they can't carry Satch's axe, or songwriting abilities.

Pretty likely scenario. I'm willing to bet that guys that are "famous" in some circles, but not really "big," like Satch and Steve Vai, have done well with their music careers but aren't loaded by any means. I'm sure Satch is legitimately pissed/miffed at the whole thing and wants a piece of the money pie.

But still, proving they ripped him in court would be an uphill battle, I would think.

Won't happen. It would basically be a public admission of guilt from Coldplay and go against the recent statement in which they said the claim was unfounded (although anyone with ears can tell it obviously isn't).

[hoagiepete]

Want to bet that Coldplay and Satch end up on some awards show, together, playing it together, and thus making it a huge success. This shit always happens.

Dan, Coldplay sucks, and with regard to talent, they can't carry Satch's axe, or songwriting abilities.

I fuckin' hate Coldplay, but I hate crybabies like Satriani even worse. He has a weak case at best.

Just curious how you felt about the boys from Journey calling out Kansas and Rush in the liner notes of Times 3? I thought they were whiners, but after the listen, I agreed with them, even though I am huge Kansas and Rush fans. the Coldplay deal is much more obvious than those those two references.

[inaweofschon]

Joe Satriani has huge endorsement contracts with Ibanez guitars and Peavey Amps. Not to mention additional endorsements of pedals, strings, straps, etc. He might not have as much $ as the Coldplay guys but I doubt he's that far behind.

[weatherman90]

Coldplay sucks, and with regard to talent, they can't carry Satch's axe, or songwriting abilities.

We may not see eye to eye on Springsteen, but for once I agree with you!

Coldplay sucks!

[larryfromnextdoor]

coldplay fans are saying joe satch stole his song from cat stevens...

this is an amazing tune.. but i dont know..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUXda-RTE_c

[JH'sTXfan]

Speaking of soundalikes...yesterday I heard a song start up on the radio and thought it was "Never Walk Away"..........listen to the intros

Van Halen-Dance the Night Way- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEvpreZcAfI

Never Walk Away- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TLurt26ne4

[larryfromnextdoor]

Speaking of soundalikes...yesterday I heard a song start up on the radio and thought it was "Never Walk Away"..........listen to the intros

Van Halen-Dance the Night Way- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEvpreZcAfI

Never Walk Away- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TLurt26ne4

does sound close ..

[slucero]

From Berklee's course "The Legal Aspects of Music": http://akamai.www.berkleemusic.com/asse ... gement.pdf


"The first thing to keep in mind is that only the person who owns the copyright can bring a copyright infringement suit. Once ownership is established, it must be proved that the person infringing had access to the song in question and that their song is substantially similar to the original. These terms are somewhat vague, and that is deliberate. "

Since Satch is the copyright owner... he brings the suit... Coldplay's singer has to prove he never had access to the song... which is highly unlikely... since it was a Satch hit...