NFL Week 15

[Rockindeano]

You think his feet were clearly down? I just don't see it.

It just blows my mind how this team keeps pulling these ugly ass games out, lol.

Yep, they were down. Dude, they have HI Def in the stadium war rooms. They HAD to get this right.

[Luvsaugeri]

There wasn't shit there to refute the original call. Way too much of a toss-up.

I thought the same thing.

It was a touchdown. The ball doesn't have to cross the white line- just touch it. The "plane" is the front of the white line. Clearly a TD.

I'd have to see it again I guess. It didn't look to me like it touched the line once he had posession. It was a close call either way.....and usually those go with the way it's called on the field.

[squirt1]

Muffed call in the 2nd qt that TV showed the refs as befuddled.It favored Pittsburgh. One thing I did learn from the network announcers of the Bengals win vs Redskins was that they have only 4 starters on offense and 3 on defense that were the original starters. Most importantly would be Carson Palmer,now out 10 weeks. Many games they have ALMOST won with names I don't recognize. Out of the last 19 yrs ,this is the only season I can cut Mikey Boy Brown any slack.

[Rockindeano]

Muffed call in the 2nd qt that TV showed the refs as befuddled.It favored Pittsburgh. One thing I did learn from the network announcers of the Bengals win vs Redskins was that they have only 4 starters on offense and 3 on defense that were the original starters. Most importantly would be Carson Palmer,now out 10 weeks. Many games they have ALMOST won with names I don't recognize. Out of the last 19 yrs ,this is the only season I can cut Mikey Boy Brown any slack.

That blown call in the 2nd was a non factor. No, Parker didn't get the 1st down, but that drive stalled anyway....

Tip your hat to Pittsburgh. Calls are part of the game.

[squirt1]

Deano -Always on duty,I see. I guess I am a little skeptical of ref's having agenda's ,especially after the Pro Basketball ref's getting nailed. I just think that young players and the rest of the team know about the blown calls on the field and it affects their physics' . I've seen TV show blown calls for yrs and yearly rule changes by the NFL that render any old ref incompentent. I hate watching games that people sit through, have spent hundreds to attend ,to see victories snatched by incompentence of NFL employees that are not easily dismissed. I am so glad you are back, but where were you ? I missed any details or didn't understand them if someone mentioned it.

[TRAGChick]

Broncos @ Panthers - The Panthers are the better team and win a close one.

Yup!

GO PANTHERS!

[squirt1]

Oops! I meant NFL employees that are not easily dismissed from their jobs. Now ,I must watch Giant and Dallas. Go Giants !!!

[Enigma869]

Most importantly would be Carson Palmer,now out 10 weeks. Many games they have ALMOST won with names I don't recognize. Out of the last 19 yrs ,this is the only season I can cut Mikey Boy Brown any slack.

Mike Brown is an idiot, and no Bengal fans should be cutting that shit organization ANY slack. They and all their criminal players are a fucking embarrassment to the NFL. Sure, injuries affect teams, and most teams in the NFL will not win if their starting QB goes down. I'm fairly confident that if Peyton Manning and Eli Manning got hurt, neither of their teams would finish much over .500 and neither team would get a sniff of the playoffs. That said, injuries are part of the NFL, and teams have to overcome them. As far as I can tell, the Bengals aren't the only team without their starting QB or many other positions. Another point I would make is that Palmer has been a complete bust in the NFL, with maybe one season of actually resembling an NFL QB. I don't think the loss of Palmer is anyhwere near as big as you might think, given how bad both he and the Bengals have been with him in there.

[S2M]

Anyone care to explain to me WHY the Bills lost today?

1) Injuries
2) Level of Talent
3) Play calling

Which one?

Because the Jets are a better team!

WRONG again John.....Bills had a 2nd and 5 with 2 mins left....instead of running the ball, the COACHES chose to pass. Bonehead call. THAT cost them the game. Jets played horrible. Bill's coaching staff handed them(literally) the game.

Play calling cost them the game.

[Luvsaugeri]

Anyone care to explain to me WHY the Bills lost today?

1) Injuries
2) Level of Talent
3) Play calling

Which one?

Because the Jets are a better team!

WRONG again John.....Bills had a 2nd and 5 with 2 mins left....instead of running the ball, the COACHES chose to pass. Bonehead call. THAT cost them the game. Jets played horrible. Bill's coaching staff handed them(literally) the game.

Play calling cost them the game.

Why couldn't it have been that the Jets were better and they proved that the whole game and if the Bills were better it wouldn't have come down to ONE play call?

Didn't the Bills fumble the ball at the end when they were trying to run out the clock?

[squirt1]

John- I agree, but idiot is not strong enough ! The only thing Mike understands is the bottom line. I think we are stuck with him until 2026 and I feel sorry for all the careers that are lost here. In the NFL families own franchises and are considered property and inherited. Mike Browns qualifications were IMO " sperm lucky. Many I know are not renewing or have stopped going.Bengals tickets can be bought for $ 5-10 bucks. That he will understand, maybe. I will get back to you on a video abt the Carson loss. I would like your opinion.

[YoungJRNY]

You think his feet were clearly down? I just don't see it.

It just blows my mind how this team keeps pulling these ugly ass games out, lol.

Kind of cool to see a good team pull it out with the game in their hands, huh?

The Steelers have been doing this all season and when it MATTERS, and when it COUNTS.. offensively , they get it done. PERIOD. That's what good teams do, and that's how games are won. In the 4th quarter, 60 minutes of football. THEY FIND.. WAYS TO.. WIN. With that said....

.. I need a shark tranquillizer.. being a die hard, my heart can't handle this every week. Steelers again moved the ball at will at certain times, but simply couldn't reduce drives into points. Missed opportunities all around the field. Flacco finally looked like a rookie, but how can't you against that defense? Baltimore's defense has many holes than what people expect, but they are an unbelievable group nonetheless and I thank them for another thriller. Good rivalry. Steelers also won the "harder hits battle." Lastly I thank Baltimore for the #2 seed and the AFC NORTH BELT. Also many thanks to Houston for upsetting Tennessee to set the tone for next weekend. Home Field Advantage on the line.

The Holmes catch was legit. I was skeptical at first, but you clearly see the tire treads of the turf of Holmes' feet kick up when he possesses the ball, and the ball clearly broke the plain. BREAKING THE PLAIN doesn't mean the whole football needs to pass the whole white line. Just a tiny, tiny fabric of the pigskin goes near it, and breaks it is 6. The evidence was clear and to overrule the original call on the field on this given play needed MAD reviewing and they got it right.

I still can't breathe. Let me be, and hibernate until next week as we go for the #1 seed in the AFC Playoffs!

Congrats to all if any of your teams won.

[YoungJRNY]

Do we get bonus points for picking the EXACT score? Indy 31- Lionness 21?

Good job picking this week, Dean. Kickass to talk football with you and John.

..As for the bonus points. I Wish. I picked numerous games on the money by how teams would win & by how many points. I remember picking a good handful of them, including Cinci's earlier upset of Jacksonville by 2.

..I picked the Steelers by 4 this week.

.. 13-9.

Good picks this week, boys.

[Rockindeano]

Deano -Always on duty,I see. I guess I am a little skeptical of ref's having agenda's ,especially after the Pro Basketball ref's getting nailed. I just think that young players and the rest of the team know about the blown calls on the field and it affects their physics' . I've seen TV show blown calls for yrs and yearly rule changes by the NFL that render any old ref incompentent. I hate watching games that people sit through, have spent hundreds to attend ,to see victories snatched by incompentence of NFL employees that are not easily dismissed. I am so glad you are back, but where were you ? I missed any details or didn't understand them if someone mentioned it.

Of the 4 major sports, NFL by far has the worst officials. The game is not that fast, like hockey, baseball or even basketball. The problem is they are 98 yrs old and have never played a fuckin down of college football, let alone pro ball, and couldn't pass the visio test at the Goddamned DMV. These bafoons, as you rightly called them, blow planty of calls and games, but you can't use it as an excuse. That Super Bowl that Pittsburgh "won" against Seattle was a job if there ever was one, and I was pissed, but I can't keep bitching about it.

As to your comment about NBA refs being thieves; well, you would be correct. That league is not even real. Might as well call that the Prima donna Nat'l Basketball Federation. It's so biased and slanted it is unwatchable. I have never seen so many whiny assholes men who complain and bitch more than the common housewife. Guys missing 5 games due to a hangnail. Gimme a break already.

[S2M]

Anyone care to explain to me WHY the Bills lost today?

1) Injuries
2) Level of Talent
3) Play calling

Which one?

Because the Jets are a better team!

WRONG again John.....Bills had a 2nd and 5 with 2 mins left....instead of running the ball, the COACHES chose to pass. Bonehead call. THAT cost them the game. Jets played horrible. Bill's coaching staff handed them(literally) the game.

Play calling cost them the game.

Why couldn't it have been that the Jets were better and they proved that the whole game and if the Bills were better it wouldn't have come down to ONE play call?

Didn't the Bills fumble the ball at the end when they were trying to run out the clock?[/quote]

That's the point.....they fumbled because they were trying to PASS the ball. Play calling at its worst. All they had to do was run the ball 3 more times, and the game was over.....

[YoungJRNY]

Anyone care to explain to me WHY the Bills lost today?

1) Injuries
2) Level of Talent
3) Play calling

Which one?

Because the Jets are a better team!

WRONG again John.....Bills had a 2nd and 5 with 2 mins left....instead of running the ball, the COACHES chose to pass. Bonehead call. THAT cost them the game. Jets played horrible. Bill's coaching staff handed them(literally) the game.

Play calling cost them the game.

Why couldn't it have been that the Jets were better and they proved that the whole game and if the Bills were better it wouldn't have come down to ONE play call?

Didn't the Bills fumble the ball at the end when they were trying to run out the clock?[/quote]

That's the point.....they fumbled because they were trying to PASS the ball. Play calling at its worst. All they had to do was run the ball 3 more times, and the game was over.....

Greediness gets the best of you sometimes. The Jets couldn't stop the run all game long, and all the Bills needed to do was to get a first down. Get greedy, and that's what happens. The coaching staff from top to bottom lost them that game, and the Bills deserved it.

[Enigma869]

WRONG again John.....Bills had a 2nd and 5 with 2 mins left....instead of running the ball, the COACHES chose to pass. Bonehead call. THAT cost them the game. Jets played horrible. Bill's coaching staff handed them(literally) the game.

Play calling cost them the game.

I never said that Jauron and his staff were geniuses. That doesn't change the fact that the Jets are the better team. One team is 9-5 and in first place while the other team is 6-8 and in dead last place. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce from that the Jets have more talent than the Bills. The Bills have been DREADFUL for the past two months!

[squirt1]

John- You Tube -Can't be touched Chad Ocho Cinco- and tell me what you think of Carson Palmer as a huge loss for this team ?

[Enigma869]

John- You Tube -Can't be touched Chad Ocho Cinco- and tell me what you think of Carson Palmer as a huge loss for this team ?

A couple of points. First and foremost, I didn't need to watch a Chad Johnson highlight film to know that Carson Palmer can throw the ball. That's not really the issue. Jeff George could throw the football as well as any QB I've ever seen in the NFL and he was a horrendous QB. He couldn't lead and he couldn't win. Your number one job as a QB in the NFL is to win football games, and Palmer has been an abysmal failure in that area. I don't care what his passing stats are if he can't win. The reality is that Palmer has had a losing record every year of his career, except one. While I don't lay all the blame at Palmer's feet, he can't be let completely off the hook either. The reality is that the Bengals did have some very good players a couple of years back and should have been able to put together more than one winning season. I also have ZERO doubt that with or without Palmer this season, the Bengals weren't winning 7 games! I remember watching Kenny Anderson QB the Bengals. He wasn't half as talented as Palmer, but I'd take Anderson all day long on my team. Palmer hasn't proven a thing to me in his 5 seasons in the NFL, except that he can make some deep throws, which is sort of a pre-requisite to be an NFL QB.

[YoungJRNY]

John- You Tube -Can't be touched Chad Ocho Cinco- and tell me what you think of Carson Palmer as a huge loss for this team ?

A couple of points. First and foremost, I didn't need to watch a Chad Johnson highlight film to know that Carson Palmer can throw the ball. That's not really the issue. Jeff George could throw the football as well as any QB I've ever seen in the NFL and he was a horrendous QB. He couldn't lead and he couldn't win. Your number one job as a QB in the NFL is to win football games, and Palmer has been an abysmal failure in that area. I don't care what his passing stats are if he can't win. The reality is that Palmer has had a losing record every year of his career, except one. While I don't lay all the blame at Palmer's feet, he can't be let completely off the hook either. The reality is that the Bengals did have some very good players a couple of years back and should have been able to put together more than one winning season. I also have ZERO doubt that with or without Palmer this season, the Bengals weren't winning 7 games! I remember watching Kenny Anderson QB the Bengals. He wasn't half as talented as Palmer, but I'd take Anderson all day long on my team. Palmer hasn't proven a thing to me in his 5 seasons in the NFL, except that he can make some deep throws, which is sort of a pre-requisite to be an NFL QB.

Palmer can have his pro-bowl stats. The guys the ultimate corn-holer and a top notch choke artist.. right behind him is Tony Romo for obvious reasons.

[T-Bone]

Vikes blew the doors off the Cardinals... HeeHaw...



Jackson still needs to be ousted along with that humanoid they call a Head Coach

[S2M]

WRONG again John.....Bills had a 2nd and 5 with 2 mins left....instead of running the ball, the COACHES chose to pass. Bonehead call. THAT cost them the game. Jets played horrible. Bill's coaching staff handed them(literally) the game.

Play calling cost them the game.

I never said that Jauron and his staff were geniuses. That doesn't change the fact that the Jets are the better team. One team is 9-5 and in first place while the other team is 6-8 and in dead last place. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce from that the Jets have more talent than the Bills. The Bills have been DREADFUL for the past two months!

The point wasn't 'who is better?', 'who is more talented?'...or somesuch like that. The point was why did the Bills lose that game. They lost due to horrendous play calling. Period.

There is not ONE argument that can be made that play calling is not the number one reason why teams lose. Is it the reason why every team loses every game? No. But is the number one reason overall.