Revelations sales totals

[strangegrey]

Doesn't have to be written by Augeri to be from the Arrival sessions...

And how do you know this song was originally written for Arrival?

Strangegrey worked in some type of capacity for Journey so I think he probably knows, if any one does.

Let's not use the limited capacity of my not getting paid by Journey as justification for that Last thing I need is Mathew or that dog-faced **** Suzi to start in with their shite.. LOL.


...however, I do know that sunshower was an old augeri-era track....and if you actually objectively listen to the song, you can hear augeri singing it much more than you can picture him singing any of the other stuff on the record.

[strangegrey]

Ya know, one minute you're singing Revelation's praises and the next minute it's shit...make up your fucking mind.

Eh, I'm squarely in the middle. There's songs on the record I enjoy, there's songs on the record that make me want to throw it out the window and puke, like that piece of shit, what it takes to win.

My issue with revelation is the shitty way the band has tried to weasel it's way to platinum, and what makes it even tougher to swallow is the masses here that have happily sucked down that fake-platinum koolaid...thinking it's legit. I've said this before and I'll say it again, while other bands pull this shit, it doesn't make it right. I suspect the cost to record disc 1 was 100x as expensive as recording disc 2....if that little. They threw a disc of shitty retreads into the mix just to amplify the effect...and it's sad. Once you remove the second disc of shite, you get a release that's maybe Gold.

I'll also add that once you weigh in the cost factor, and adjust the cheap price of revelation compared to early 80s era journey sales....you get an unfair comparison. While I applaud the fact that Journey sold it's record through walmart at a great price, the fact remains irrefutable that it prevents proper comparability between the sales of perry era CDs. Yet, koolaid drinkers here will try to tell you otherwise...

If revelation was sold at the price of other CD releases from major labels, it wouldn't have even gone 'true gold'...for all we know, it might just have sold enough to match Arrival's sales or worse Generations. Again, I applaud the band (and walmart) for seeing this release through at a better price.....but you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't justify a better album without taking into account the impact that the cheaper price has had on the sales of the album.

There's comparability issues here with this release...and I still submit that the proper way for RIAA certification to be completed with *true* comparability, irrespective of the band, is to adjust each albums sales figures based on a weighted average....which takes into account number of CD's in the packaging and average cost of the package itself. Then, you will have a balanced, comparable measurement of album sales.

Until then, you'll just have douchenozzles like Irving Assoff and Cavedrunk devising ways to skirt around the rules and inflexibility of the RIAA.

[bluejeangirl76]

Correct on all counts Frank.

PLatinum my ass. Does not deserve that status. And that stupid sticker that claims 11 new songs and 11 "re-recorded classics" (or whatever it says) pisses me off to a far end. Its TEN new and TWELVE cheaters and we all know it. The casual "hey Journey put out another record, have they reunited with Steve Perry yet?" crowd doesn't know that, and that's how they know they can get away with it.

[Don]

Correct on all counts Frank.

PLatinum my ass. Does not deserve that status. And that stupid sticker that claims 11 new songs and 11 "retarded covers" (or whatever it says) pisses me off to a far end. Its TEN new and TWELVE cheaters and we all know it. The casual "hey Journey put out another record, have they reunited with Steve Perry yet?" crowd doesn't know that, and that's how they know they can get away with it.

Fixed it, you need to get with the new lingo around here.

[Rockindeano]

Correct on all counts Frank.

PLatinum my ass. Does not deserve that status. And that stupid sticker that claims 11 new songs and 11 "re-recorded classics" (or whatever it says) pisses me off to a far end. Its TEN new and TWELVE cheaters and we all know it. The casual "hey Journey put out another record, have they reunited with Steve Perry yet?" crowd doesn't know that, and that's how they know they can get away with it.

And they wonder why magazines, writers, and most importantly their peers, don't respect them.

[amaron]

Correct on all counts Frank.

PLatinum my ass. Does not deserve that status. And that stupid sticker that claims 11 new songs and 11 "re-recorded classics" (or whatever it says) pisses me off to a far end. Its TEN new and TWELVE cheaters and we all know it. The casual "hey Journey put out another record, have they reunited with Steve Perry yet?" crowd doesn't know that, and that's how they know they can get away with it.

And they wonder why magazines, writers, and most importantly their peers, don't respect them.

They've never been respected, even when the Portuguese Hermit was gracing the band with his presence.

[Monker]

My issue with revelation is the shitty way the band has tried to weasel it's way to platinum, and what makes it even tougher to swallow is the masses here that have happily sucked down that fake-platinum koolaid...thinking it's legit. I've said this before and I'll say it again, while other bands pull this shit, it doesn't make it right. I suspect the cost to record disc 1 was 100x as expensive as recording disc 2....if that little. They threw a disc of shitty retreads into the mix just to amplify the effect...and it's sad. Once you remove the second disc of shite, you get a release that's maybe Gold.

First of all, if you take away Recollection and the DVD, then Revalation would sell mabe 100,000 at most...and I doubt they would have had the Wal-Mart deal. The Wal-Mart deal, the price, and the amount of music/video along with the name "Journey" and nostalgia is what sold this package. The quality of the new music didn't....it was hardly even heard.

The truth is it is a mediocre album, no better then Generations....well, except Revalation SOUNDS better. I don't care if they through on Augeri era songs to round out the first disk...it is still an album I haven't listened to in months.

[Rockindeano]

Correct on all counts Frank.

PLatinum my ass. Does not deserve that status. And that stupid sticker that claims 11 new songs and 11 "re-recorded classics" (or whatever it says) pisses me off to a far end. Its TEN new and TWELVE cheaters and we all know it. The casual "hey Journey put out another record, have they reunited with Steve Perry yet?" crowd doesn't know that, and that's how they know they can get away with it.

And they wonder why magazines, writers, and most importantly their peers, don't respect them.

They've never been respected, even when the Portuguese Hermit was gracing the band with his presence.

Wrong. They were respected with him, but not liked. I would bet that musicians respect Perry far more than Journey or whats left of it.

[amaron]

Correct on all counts Frank.

PLatinum my ass. Does not deserve that status. And that stupid sticker that claims 11 new songs and 11 "re-recorded classics" (or whatever it says) pisses me off to a far end. Its TEN new and TWELVE cheaters and we all know it. The casual "hey Journey put out another record, have they reunited with Steve Perry yet?" crowd doesn't know that, and that's how they know they can get away with it.

And they wonder why magazines, writers, and most importantly their peers, don't respect them.

They've never been respected, even when the Portuguese Hermit was gracing the band with his presence.

Wrong. They were respected with him, but not liked. I would bet that musicians respect Perry far more than Journey or whats left of it.

So I guess the term "Corporate Rock" was a term of endearment?

Why do I even bother?

[bluejeangirl76]

Wrong. They were respected with him, but not liked. I would bet that musicians respect Perry far more than Journey or whats left of it.

At least he keeps his mouth shut (publically) about his feelings towards the other band members.
That alone is respectable.
I'd love to get him in a room alone and hear the real stuff though. Be funny as hell.

[Rockindeano]

Correct on all counts Frank.

PLatinum my ass. Does not deserve that status. And that stupid sticker that claims 11 new songs and 11 "re-recorded classics" (or whatever it says) pisses me off to a far end. Its TEN new and TWELVE cheaters and we all know it. The casual "hey Journey put out another record, have they reunited with Steve Perry yet?" crowd doesn't know that, and that's how they know they can get away with it.

And they wonder why magazines, writers, and most importantly their peers, don't respect them.

They've never been respected, even when the Portuguese Hermit was gracing the band with his presence.

Wrong. They were respected with him, but not liked. I would bet that musicians respect Perry far more than Journey or whats left of it.

So I guess the term "Corporate Rock" was a term of endearment?

Why do I even bother?

No, you make a good point. I shouldn't have been so definitive. They were labeled corporate rock, but isn't that better than what they're labeled now? Karaoke Band? Retreads? Dinosaur Band? etc etc.

[amaron]

Correct on all counts Frank.

PLatinum my ass. Does not deserve that status. And that stupid sticker that claims 11 new songs and 11 "re-recorded classics" (or whatever it says) pisses me off to a far end. Its TEN new and TWELVE cheaters and we all know it. The casual "hey Journey put out another record, have they reunited with Steve Perry yet?" crowd doesn't know that, and that's how they know they can get away with it.

And they wonder why magazines, writers, and most importantly their peers, don't respect them.

They've never been respected, even when the Portuguese Hermit was gracing the band with his presence.

Wrong. They were respected with him, but not liked. I would bet that musicians respect Perry far more than Journey or whats left of it.

So I guess the term "Corporate Rock" was a term of endearment?

Why do I even bother?

No, you make a good point. I shouldn't have been so definitive. They were labeled corporate rock, but isn't that better than what they're labeled now? Karaoke Band? Retreads? Dinosaur Band? etc etc.

In that context, I do agree with you actually.

I'm no fan of this Journey lineup myself. I like a couple of the remakes (OTY and WITS) and maybe 2 or 3 songs off the first disc.

But I will say that IMO, Steve Perry HAS gotten the respect that he deserves... but Neal has not. That being said, he's not done himself any favors with the EVH-esque handling of Augeri and Soto either.

[Monker]

Wrong. They were respected with him, but not liked. I would bet that musicians respect Perry far more than Journey or whats left of it.

At least he keeps his mouth shut (publically) about his feelings towards the other band members.
That alone is respectable.
I'd love to get him in a room alone and hear the real stuff though. Be funny as hell.

Perry doesn't have to "open his mouth" about Neal and Jonathan. He isn't the one continuing his music career without them. He does not have the questions asked after every album is released, every single to radio , every time he does an interview on radio, TV, print, or internet. All he has to do is talk to Lora once a year and do a few interviews when he has one of his special projects pop up...But, in the big picture of things, he has done NOTHING to continue his music career without Journey...and he does not have the questions repeatedly asked to him until he gives an answer somebody on some internet forum does not like.

It has not mattered what Journey does. If they do not talk about Perry, they are ignoring him and writing him out of the band's history. If they DO talk about him and their geniune feelings towards him and thei band's past, then they are slinging mud and should shut up. So, IMO, it is an irrelevant argument from Perry fans...because Perry fans themselves can not agree on what the proper thing is for Journey to do or say.

[Abitaman]

It has not mattered what Journey does. If they do not talk about Perry, they are ignoring him and writing him out of the band's history. If they DO talk about him and their geniune feelings towards him and thei band's past, then they are slinging mud and should shut up. So, IMO, it is an irrelevant argument from Perry fans...because Perry fans themselves can not agree on what the proper thing is for Journey to do or say.

Very true, with Journey and alot of other bands that have lost key members.

[SherriBerry]

Putting FITH on the first disc like it's original was corny, considering the second disc was declared the re-recorded material. If Cain has 400 songs on his computer, he couldn't pull up at least one more to make the first disc all new material?

It was only corny to us. None of the casual fans had heard it because nobody bought Generations. It was included in the concert ticket prices and was distributed to the concert goers, but how many people is that?

It's a great song that deserves to be heard, and that would have never happened leaving it on Generations. My opinion anyway.

They said on Rockline it was the producer's idea. The song isn't the best one on Generations- I skip it every time on the new album.

Yeah, good ole Cavedrunk...fucking guy probably thought he could get a few more bottles of sterno left over from Neal's 12th wedding, if he convinced Neal that he didn't have to write anymore music...and just reuse old shit.

Less time writing = more time banging french waitresses...

What do you mean by: 'Less time writing = more time banging French waitresses'? Living in a ski town,
I know several French waitresses and they're all very nice!

[strangegrey]

What do you mean by: 'Less time writing = more time banging French waitresses'? Living in a ski town,
I know several French waitresses and they're all very nice!

If you are unaware to that which I am referring, I think it's best that we leave it alone....and i will chalk up last evening's statements to alcohol...and lots of it!

[donnaplease]

But, in the big picture of things, he has done NOTHING to continue his music career without Journey...

And yet he's still the most talked-about, most influential-to-the-music-biz member of the band. That says something great about him, IMO.

[EightyRock]

It has not mattered what Journey does. If they do not talk about Perry, they are ignoring him and writing him out of the band's history. If they DO talk about him and their geniune feelings towards him and thei band's past, then they are slinging mud and should shut up. So, IMO, it is an irrelevant argument from Perry fans...because Perry fans themselves can not agree on what the proper thing is for Journey to do or say.

The only thing I think people wanted, who equate Journey's biggest successes to Perry, was for the rest of the band to give him the props he deserves. In not doing so, they tear down their own legacy. How brilliant is that?? The point's already been made the "platinum" status of their current Walmart deal. It continues to prove the point that they are seriously limited without SMFP attached to their product. Anybody thinking Revelation without Recollection would have sold that well is nuts.
In the past, they either wanted to talk shit about Perry, or pretend he never existed, and their singer du jour was as good or better. If they would have gone into this thing from day one with a different attitude, maybe they wouldn't have pissed off so many people.

[Red13JoePa]

Correct on all counts Frank.

PLatinum my ass. Does not deserve that status. And that stupid sticker that claims 11 new songs and 11 "re-recorded classics" (or whatever it says) pisses me off to a far end. Its TEN new and TWELVE cheaters and we all know it. The casual "hey Journey put out another record, have they reunited with Steve Perry yet?" crowd doesn't know that, and that's how they know they can get away with it.

The casual fans don't even know perry's name.

[Red13JoePa]

It has not mattered what Journey does. If they do not talk about Perry, they are ignoring him and writing him out of the band's history. If they DO talk about him and their geniune feelings towards him and thei band's past, then they are slinging mud and should shut up. So, IMO, it is an irrelevant argument from Perry fans...because Perry fans themselves can not agree on what the proper thing is for Journey to do or say.

Right on the noise. The "Classy/High Road" loons alway try to have it both ways.

[EightyRock]

Correct on all counts Frank.

The casual "hey Journey put out another record, have they reunited with Steve Perry yet?" crowd doesn't know that, and that's how they know they can get away with it.

I ran into a 30-something friend the other day who likes classic rock, along with stuff he grew up with. We talked about what bands we wanted to see that were still touring. He said he wanted to see that "Lou" guy with Foreigner!

Good luck on that one. He also said he heard Journey has a new singer, but he didn't want to spend money to see them without Steve Perry. His was the only name he knew out of all of Journey (and their singers). The point is that there are younger ticket buyers out there that don't know much about these band's current line-ups. They buy the ticket to see Lou Gramm with Foreigner (or any other band's original singer) and get something else. Picking up a Journey CD at Walmart is the same thing. Not everybody is that clueless, but at least some of the ticket and CD sales of classic rock bands has to be made this way, especially when tour and CD's are promoted using classic (instead of new) songs.

[strangegrey]

Correct on all counts Frank.

PLatinum my ass. Does not deserve that status. And that stupid sticker that claims 11 new songs and 11 "re-recorded classics" (or whatever it says) pisses me off to a far end. Its TEN new and TWELVE cheaters and we all know it. The casual "hey Journey put out another record, have they reunited with Steve Perry yet?" crowd doesn't know that, and that's how they know they can get away with it.

The casual fans don't even know perry's name.

I would argue two points here.

First, there are not many casual fans left anymore...they died off when TBF tour plans were scuttled by the Human Nostril.

Second, to the odd chance that there's a casual fan still left here or there, I would submit that ALL they know is Perry's name...and thats it. Why is it that every time Journey gets some press since 96, there's always a clarification that Perry is no longer in the group? I can't think of a single time I've seen Friga, Fro or anyone else on TV or Radio promoting the band, where Steve Perry's status with the band didn't have to be clarified or presented, prior to actual discussion. It was *really* rampant this past summer, when Journey went on their "Simpathy Ways Press Tour: we're such great humanitarians, pulling a poor homeless kid from manila for our singer, where he had a nightly gig singing nightly in a world famous chain restaurant" LOL



Seriously, the more Friga and Fro piss on this band's tombstone, the more Perry looks like the fucking Golden Boy...and that's pretty fucking sad in and of itself, because that evil crass little motherfucker with nostrils you can park 2 deathstars in, shouldn't deserve an ounce of credit for ANYTHING in this band other than his voice....

Yet in this thread and others, we're seeing praise about how much of a genius business man and strategist he is. How fucking ludicrous. He'd be a perfect Wall Street CEO. The only thing that jive motherfucker knows how to do is destroy things...

[Arkansas]

Folks, give it up already. Revelations is not going platinum,and if you need all these other gadget sales(MP3 players and all that bullshit), plus the voodoo math that 3 discs equal one; then you are dreaming. The album is not hat great.

Make a record that is worthy, then the critics that be will listen if it is worthy. This CD is not worthy, period.

My thots exactly. And another is that this was bought by the casual buyer...someone already in WM or Sam's Club that just happened to see it there. I really doubt that 500k people went to WM or Sam's just pick up this jewel.

So, kinda like some people wanna put an asterisk next Barry Bonds claiming his records isn't real, you can kinda say that for this Journey album. There needs to an asterisk showing that it was not in 'general availability'. It was made platinum (or whatever) by WalMart...and it only got there because the the GH.


later~

[Arkansas]

... The Journey is crap and if I had to guess, is a Neal Schon solo record reject. ...

I think Kevin Shirley said that it was a last minute thing in the studio. He just asked NS to play something, and then they built around it. So I'm sure NS just took some mental scraps and threw it together.


later~

[EightyRock]

Seriously, the more Friga and Fro piss on this band's tombstone, the more Perry looks like the fucking Golden Boy...and that's pretty fucking sad in and of itself, because that evil crass little motherfucker with nostrils you can park 2 deathstars in, shouldn't deserve an ounce of credit for ANYTHING in this band other than his voice....

Yet in this thread and others, we're seeing praise about how much of a genius business man and strategist he is. How fucking ludicrous. He'd be a perfect Wall Street CEO. The only thing that jive motherfucker knows how to do is destroy things...

I'd say the Giant Fro did more damage in the past 11 years, after Perry helped propel them to fame. Perry may have left them holding the reigns of the sleigh, but Schon & Cain didn't have to drive it into the ground at warp speed. The damage they did with tapegate alone, and the way they discard their singers, tells me that they'd destroy their own legacy while attempting to bury his. Schon walks around with a grenade in one hand and the pin in the other....just hoping it won't explode in his face.

[Arkansas]

I think Deano was using Revelation math, 5 original discs with 5 retread discs packed in also. yo

you mean retard discs

Would that be a 'disctard'...like so many other types of '<insert expletive here>tards' out here.


later~

[Saint John]

They threw a disc of shitty retreads into the mix just to amplify the effect...and it's sad.

I think that is incorrect, Frank. Neal is on record as saying that they didn't want to re-record anything, but Walmart insisted and without the re-records there was no deal. The deal was simply too lucrative to pass up. Do you think any other group would have been so noble as to pass that deal up because of the re-records?

[Saint John]

Seriously, the more Friga and Fro piss on this band's tombstone, the more Perry looks like the fucking Golden Boy...and that's pretty fucking sad in and of itself, because that evil crass little motherfucker with nostrils you can park 2 deathstars in, shouldn't deserve an ounce of credit for ANYTHING in this band other than his voice....

Yet in this thread and others, we're seeing praise about how much of a genius business man and strategist he is. How fucking ludicrous. He'd be a perfect Wall Street CEO. The only thing that jive motherfucker knows how to do is destroy things...

This is great stuff, dude.

[Rick]

They threw a disc of shitty retreads into the mix just to amplify the effect...and it's sad.

I think that is incorrect, Frank. Neal is on record as saying that they didn't want to re-record anything, but Walmart insisted and without the re-records there was no deal. The deal was simply too lucrative to pass up. Do you think any other group would have been so noble as to pass that deal up because of the re-records?

All great points, but the one I bolded,

This one right fucking here!

Do you think any other group would have been so noble as to pass that deal up because of the re-records?

Golden. Fucking brilliant.

[strangegrey]

... The Journey is crap and if I had to guess, is a Neal Schon solo record reject. ...

I think Kevin Shirley said that it was a last minute thing in the studio. He just asked NS to play something, and then they built around it. So I'm sure NS just took some mental scraps and threw it together.


later~

That in itself, STINKS of 'We need album filler'