Revelations sales totals

[Maui Tom]

this is the four millionth time you guys have rehashed all this shit....

[Saint John]

God knows why I'm arguing with Saint John about this anyway. Judging from the posts he wrote in his first year on this board he knew full well how crucial Perry is and continues to be to the band. All this recent bashing of the guy is just play-acting....

I have never bashed his talent. I have changed my mind. I was initially just a casual fan. You know...the kind that thinks Augeri was really singing.

[Rockindeano]

Neal had Herbie run his band. Herbie had a genius plan right down to the name of every future album. Herbie made Journey a household name and was the catalyst for many innovative and bold ideas and concepts. Perry hustled control from Herbert around 1986 and ran the band right into the fucking ground.

Come on Dan, that sounds like the George W Bush story when he ran the Rangers into the center of the Earth. Look, Herbie ran the band, like Phil Jackson ran the Bulls, it was Michael's team, not Bill Paxson's. HH was the GM who brought in Perry, and Perry "brought them all the success."-a Schon quote by the way.

Danny, I love ya dude, but you are outgunned here. Live to fight another day, and getting RedJoan out of her cottage to exchange strongly worded sentences won't help your cause.

[Jana]

Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.

He couldn't legally do so!!!

The legalities have nothing to do with it. Perry would never record an album or go out on the road without Schon and call the line-up 'Journey'. For all the arguments and the control-freakery and everything else you criticize him for...Perry has never once shown even the slightest sign that he thought Journey could or ought to exist without the 'other voice' of the band.

Journey was Schon's band before Perry and it is his fater Perry. So I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about when you say Perry wouldn't tour using the name of a band that isn't his and pre-dated him. That's a given.

All that 'pre-dated' Perry was three albums that went straight to the bargain basement - and Schon's 'ownership' would barely have any value at all had he not handed Perry the keys.

It's a two-way street. Had Perry not been given that opportunity he would have been a nobody. He had given up on music and was content building houses for turkeys. I'm quite sure Neal would have landed on his feet.

These points have been argued b/f, but I agree with SJ. Of course, Journey wouldn't have been what it was without Perry. That goes without saying. But it goes vice-versa for Perry. He was closing in on 30 when he got the call, and had not had great success, was broke. And even later with his solo success, his best music was that created and written with Neal, Jon, and Gregg. His solo album Street Talk was pretty good, but - to me - doesn't touch what he created with those guys. And there was magic in the music with Neal and Steve definitely.

[Matthew]

Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.

He couldn't legally do so!!!

The legalities have nothing to do with it. Perry would never record an album or go out on the road without Schon and call the line-up 'Journey'. For all the arguments and the control-freakery and everything else you criticize him for...Perry has never once shown even the slightest sign that he thought Journey could or ought to exist without the 'other voice' of the band.

Journey was Schon's band before Perry and it is his fater Perry. So I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about when you say Perry wouldn't tour using the name of a band that isn't his and pre-dated him. That's a given.

All that 'pre-dated' Perry was three albums that went straight to the bargain basement - and Schon's 'ownership' would barely have any value at all had he not handed Perry the keys.

It's a two-way street. Had Perry not been given that opportunity he would have been a nobody. He had given up on music and was content building houses for turkeys. I'm quite sure Neal would have landed on his feet.

Let's stick to what actually happened shall we? In the real world Steve Perry joined a loser band going nowhere and it became the most successful group in America only four years later.

[Saint John]

Neal had Herbie run his band. Herbie had a genius plan right down to the name of every future album. Herbie made Journey a household name and was the catalyst for many innovative and bold ideas and concepts. Perry hustled control from Herbert around 1986 and ran the band right into the fucking ground.

Come on Dan, that sounds like the George W Bush story when he ran the Rangers into the center of the Earth. Look, Herbie ran the band, like Phil Jackson ran the Bulls, it was Michael's team, not Bill Paxson's. HH was the GM who brought in Perry, and Perry "brought them all the success."-a Schon quote by the way.

Danny, I love ya dude, but you are outgunned here. Live to fight another day, and getting RedJoan out of her cottage to exchange strongly worded sentences won't help your cause.

I still haven't seen one thing I said refuted. Perry wrestled away creative control around 1986 and for the first time without Herbert at the helm of creative control, the band saw a "nose" dive (couldn't help it ) in album sales followed by a long layoff and the TBF debacle. Perry ruined that band. He should have never been given control. Neal and Jon should have listened to Herbie and canned him in 1984.

[G.I.Jim]

Neal had Herbie run his band. Herbie had a genius plan right down to the name of every future album. Herbie made Journey a household name and was the catalyst for many innovative and bold ideas and concepts. Perry hustled control from Herbert around 1986 and ran the band right into the fucking ground.

Come on Dan, that sounds like the George W Bush story when he ran the Rangers into the center of the Earth. Look, Herbie ran the band, like Phil Jackson ran the Bulls, it was Michael's team, not Bill Paxson's. HH was the GM who brought in Perry, and Perry "brought them all the success."-a Schon quote by the way.

Danny, I love ya dude, but you are outgunned here. Live to fight another day, and getting RedJoan out of her cottage to exchange strongly worded sentences won't help your cause.

Let's just go out back you two...Dean, Dan.....and you just practice falling down until I get there! After I beat your asses, I'll give you a hug and buy the first round of beers...how does that sound? Oh yeah.....Perry's a "Baby-Back-Bitch". That's a quote straight from my wife this past summer (Dan was present to hear that one!)!

[Jana]

Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.

He couldn't legally do so!!!

The legalities have nothing to do with it. Perry would never record an album or go out on the road without Schon and call the line-up 'Journey'. For all the arguments and the control-freakery and everything else you criticize him for...Perry has never once shown even the slightest sign that he thought Journey could or ought to exist without the 'other voice' of the band.

Journey was Schon's band before Perry and it is his fater Perry. So I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about when you say Perry wouldn't tour using the name of a band that isn't his and pre-dated him. That's a given.

All that 'pre-dated' Perry was three albums that went straight to the bargain basement - and Schon's 'ownership' would barely have any value at all had he not handed Perry the keys.

It's a two-way street. Had Perry not been given that opportunity he would have been a nobody. He had given up on music and was content building houses for turkeys. I'm quite sure Neal would have landed on his feet.

Let's stick to what actually happened shall we? In the real world Steve Perry joined a loser band going nowhere and it became the most successful group in America only four years later.

And where was Steve going when he joined them? It seemed like he was going nowhere too.

[Rockindeano]

I won this round. It's over, and done with. Scoreboard already.

I worked all night and now it's sleep time for awhile. Rest assured you two cocksuckers, I will be back to beat some more ass.

[Saint John]

I won this round. It's over, and done with. Scoreboard already.

I worked all night and now it's sleep time for awhile. Rest assured you two cocksuckers, I will be back to beat some more ass.

Um...ok. Journey's 2 worst selling Perry albums came after he assumed control. ROR and TBF. Put that in your scorboard, pal. To think that that that asshole had the nerve to wrestle control from Herbie after Frontiers is insane. That was their most commercially successful album worldwide.

[Jana]

Neal had Herbie run his band. Herbie had a genius plan right down to the name of every future album. Herbie made Journey a household name and was the catalyst for many innovative and bold ideas and concepts. Perry hustled control from Herbert around 1986 and ran the band right into the fucking ground.

Come on Dan, that sounds like the George W Bush story when he ran the Rangers into the center of the Earth. Look, Herbie ran the band, like Phil Jackson ran the Bulls, it was Michael's team, not Bill Paxson's. HH was the GM who brought in Perry, and Perry "brought them all the success."-a Schon quote by the way.

Danny, I love ya dude, but you are outgunned here. Live to fight another day, and getting RedJoan out of her cottage to exchange strongly worded sentences won't help your cause.

I still haven't seen one thing I said refuted. Perry wrestled away creative control around 1986 and for the first time without Herbert at the helm of creative control, the band saw a "nose" dive (couldn't help it ) in album sales followed by a long layoff and the TBF debacle. Perry ruined that band. He should have never been given control. Neal and Jon should have listened to Herbie and canned him in 1984.

Wrong. Easy to say now in hindsight. Herbie wanted Chalfant in his place. No diss intended, but Chalfant wasn't sexy enough to replace Perry for the women. And in their minds in a few years he would be ready again. They had no way of knowing what the future held with him. At least they waited and gave it a chance and now don't second-guess themselves.

[Rockindeano]

I won this round. It's over, and done with. Scoreboard already.

I worked all night and now it's sleep time for awhile. Rest assured you two cocksuckers, I will be back to beat some more ass.

Um...ok. Journey's 2 worst selling Perry albums came after he assumed control. ROR and TBF. Put that in your scorboard, pal. To think that that that asshole had the nerve to wrestle control from Herbie after Frontiers is insane. That was their most commercially successful album worldwide.

Um no and no.

Escape was and still is their most commercially successful record to this day, despite what Red13JoePa says about Generations being their finest effort. You are insinuating that Perry assumed control. Well, HH kind of strayed- he thought it to be a good idea to pimp Mr. Big, or Mrs. Big as I call em, and Perry for his reasons perhaps did take on a little more control. Now you said earlier that it was Neal's band, but now you are saying SP took control. I am a bit confused. Also, in 1986, that was the time classic rock was on the decline. No one was selling squat, save U2 and Bruce. No bands were doing shit and Cobain was busy firing up the bong and scorching these dinosaur acts, so that really played an important role as well. I would not say Perry drove the band into the ground either. ROR did manage to go double platinum(legitimately by the way), and even TBF went platinum(also with no fuzzy math). Then poof! Perry leaves, and what does Journey do? They go on a selling rampage, moving a little over a 100K units of Arrival, about 431 Generations discs and now the Revelations crap. I think I more than proved my point here.

[Saint John]

Wrong. Easy to say now in hindsight.

Easy to say then if you're Herbie. Dude was sseemingly never wrong. He knew Perry and had the Portuguese Grinch figured out.

Herbie wanted Chalfant in his place. No diss intended, but Chalfant wasn't sexy enough to replace Perry for the women.

Be real. Without that voice Perry is about as fucking sexy as Bud Bundy.

And in their minds in a few years he would be ready again. They had no way of knowing what the future held with him. At least they waited and gave it a chance and now don't second-guess themselves.

Which is why they should have listened to Herbie. Though he plowed through buffets like Hitler through Poland, the dude knew his shit. And I bet Neal and Jon regret not getting rid of Perry in 1984 every day. 1984 to 1998 saw them move minimal albums, tour once and watch the window of the 80's, a time when they could have changed singers because of the radio friendly climate, close.

[Ehwmatt]

Wrong. Easy to say now in hindsight.

Easy to say then if you're Herbie. Dude was sseemingly never wrong. He knew Perry and had the Portuguese Grinch figured out.

Herbie wanted Chalfant in his place. No diss intended, but Chalfant wasn't sexy enough to replace Perry for the women.

Be real. Without that voice Perry is about as fucking sexy as Bud Bundy.

Owned.

[Saint John]

Escape was and still is their most commercially successful record to this day

Really?
Worldwide sales (Obviously the TBF sales have been updated...or is that what it really sold? I never bought that Platinum bullshit for that album. No one bought it.
Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000

Also, in 1986, that was the time classic rock was on the decline. No one was selling squat, save U2 and Bruce.

Yeah...Hysteria by Def Leppard and Slippery When Wet from Bon Jovi hardly sold at all.

I would not say Perry drove the band into the ground either.

Of course you wouldn't..."Perry's piss boys" (Joepa term ) would take you off the Christmas card list.

ROR did manage to go double platinum(legitimately by the way), and even TBF went platinum(also with no fuzzy math). Then poof! Perry leaves, and what does Journey do? They go on a selling rampage, moving a little over a 100K units of Arrival, about 431 Generations discs and now the Revelations crap. I think I more than proved my point here.

I don't think you have at all!!! Frontiers, with Herbie at the helm, moves 32 million worldwide and Perry squeezes 3 out of ROR. The grunge thing you tried arguing was way after that. Nirvana didn't hit mainstream until about 1991.

[Jana]

Wrong. Easy to say now in hindsight.

Easy to say then if you're Herbie. Dude was sseemingly never wrong. He knew Perry and had the Portuguese Grinch figured out.

Herbie wanted Chalfant in his place. No diss intended, but Chalfant wasn't sexy enough to replace Perry for the women.

Be real. Without that voice Perry is about as fucking sexy as Bud Bundy.

Owned.

W-R-O-N-G. He was very good-looking in a geeky but cute way in the earlier days. He has a great face and hair. And he was flat-out sexy by ROR.

[amaron]

Steve Augeri is the only person I respect outside of his vocal abilities. I have never heard a bad word about him.

Dude....where were you a couple of years ago??? That's ALL you heard on here for awhile.

Fuck the lipping shit.

I'm talking about the fact that I've never heard talk of him snubbing fans backstage and things like that.

No - he just conned those fans who paid hundreds of dollars to hear him sing live. But hey...as long as he signs autographs everything's okay isn't it?

Right, because that's what I said.

Fucking retard.

[G.I.Jim]

Steve Augeri is the only person I respect outside of his vocal abilities. I have never heard a bad word about him.

Dude....where were you a couple of years ago??? That's ALL you heard on here for awhile.

Fuck the lipping shit.

I'm talking about the fact that I've never heard talk of him snubbing fans backstage and things like that.

No - he just conned those fans who paid hundreds of dollars to hear him sing live. But hey...as long as he signs autographs everything's okay isn't it?

Right, because that's what I said.

Fucking retard.

My bad, I thought you were saying nobody bashed him in general...I think he's a very humble, stand-up guy who was just put into a bad situation and got in over his head. And for the record...I don't think he came up with the idea on his own AT ALL! JMHO.

[Saint John]

W-R-O-N-G. He was very good-looking in a geeky but cute way in the earlier days. He has a great face and hair. And he was flat-out sexy by ROR.

Perry is a nice looking man, but what I'm saying is that if he wasn't the Steve Perry he would never be considered "sexy." Not dissing his looks at all.

[Matthew]

this is the four millionth time you guys have rehashed all this shit....

And what are you bringing to the table other than that dreary comment?

[Rockindeano]

Escape was and still is their most commercially successful record to this day

Really?
Worldwide sales (Obviously the TBF sales have been updated...or is that what it really sold? I never bought that Platinum bullshit for that album. No one bought it.
Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000

Also, in 1986, that was the time classic rock was on the decline. No one was selling squat, save U2 and Bruce.

Yeah...Hysteria by Def Leppard and Slippery When Wet from Bon Jovi hardly sold at all.

I would not say Perry drove the band into the ground either.

Of course you wouldn't..."Perry's piss boys" (Joepa term ) would take you off the Christmas card list.

ROR did manage to go double platinum(legitimately by the way), and even TBF went platinum(also with no fuzzy math). Then poof! Perry leaves, and what does Journey do? They go on a selling rampage, moving a little over a 100K units of Arrival, about 431 Generations discs and now the Revelations crap. I think I more than proved my point here.

I don't think you have at all!!! Frontiers, with Herbie at the helm, moves 32 million worldwide and Perry squeezes 3 out of ROR. The grunge thing you tried arguing was way after that. Nirvana didn't hit mainstream until about 1991.

Cite your sources for this 32 million bullshit.

[Matthew]

Steve Augeri is the only person I respect outside of his vocal abilities. I have never heard a bad word about him.

Dude....where were you a couple of years ago??? That's ALL you heard on here for awhile.

Fuck the lipping shit.

I'm talking about the fact that I've never heard talk of him snubbing fans backstage and things like that.

No - he just conned those fans who paid hundreds of dollars to hear him sing live. But hey...as long as he signs autographs everything's okay isn't it?

Right, because that's what I said.

Fucking retard.

Journey must love fans like you....

[Matthew]

[ I was initially just a casual fan.

Such blatant lies....

[Saint John]

Cite your sources for this 32 million bullshit.

Settle down, Francis. You'll be happy to know that Bruce comes in slightly ahead of Journey. I have no idea where to find the site again, but here's what I originally posted:

I found a list of all-time WORLDWIDE album sales by artist. Here are the Top 20:

4129 The Beatles
2625 Led Zeppelin
2328 Hollywood Movie Soundtracks
2262 Elvis Presley
1759 Various (collections/label promo)
1508 Eagles
1453 Pink Floyd
1381 Billy Joel
1311 Elton John
1154 Barbra Streisand
1134 The Rolling Stones
1123 AC/DC
0956 Bruce Springsteen
0930 Kenny Rogers
0928 Journey
0897 Aerosmith
0876 Michael Jackson
0860 Simon & Garfunkel
0849 Van Halen
0839 Fleetwood Mac


This site has Journey at 92.8 million worldwide. What's even MORE perplexing is the breakdown. It's as follows:
Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000

I would have NEVER guessed that Frontiers is far and away their best selling album. However, the list appears to be very legit. Any thoughts?

PS Street talk was at 3.4 million

[Matthew]

Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000

The Frontiers total is insane...and most of the others are just inaccurate. Infinity, Evolution and Departure average out at not much over 3 million copies each, I think. The much-vaunted golden age of Herbie Herbert's management....

[Saint John]

[ I was initially just a casual fan.

Such blatant lies....

Until I found this board I didn't really know anything about anyone in the band or really much of their history. Now why don't you go back to your claim to fame...being the owner of the chin that's had more balls smacked against it than Tiger Woods' driver.

[Saint John]

Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000

The Frontiers total is insane...and most of the others are just inaccurate. Infinity, Evolution and Departure average out at not much over 3 million copies each, I think. The much-vaunted golden age of Herbie Herbert's management....

This is worldwide, man-milk lover. Frontiers was absolutely HUGE in Asia.

[Rockindeano]

That list is by Buzz Jack I believe. No way in Hell that Frontiers sold 32 million and while I am not shocked Bruce is above Journey, I thought he would be a lot higher than that.

We need to verify this. Journey hasn't sold 92 million units. No way.

[Matthew]

Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000

The Frontiers total is insane...and most of the others are just inaccurate. Infinity, Evolution and Departure average out at not much over 3 million copies each, I think. The much-vaunted golden age of Herbie Herbert's management....

This is worldwide, man-milk lover. Frontiers was absolutely HUGE in Asia.

First time I've heard these figures and I have to say they sound most dodgy...

By the way, where's your imaginary friend Saint John?

[Saint John]

By the way, where's your imaginary friend Saint John?

lol...who? Tito? If that's who you're referring to there are plenty of people here that have met him. At least 10 or 20.

So now that your annual bukkake sabbatical is over I take it you'll be posting for a few months?