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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:18 am

Matthew wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Saint John wrote:Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000




The Frontiers total is insane...and most of the others are just inaccurate. Infinity, Evolution and Departure average out at not much over 3 million copies each, I think. The much-vaunted golden age of Herbie Herbert's management....
This is worldwide, man-milk lover. Frontiers was absolutely HUGE in Asia.



First time I've heard these figures and I have to say they sound most dodgy...

By the way, where's your imaginary friend Saint John?


You are saying Escape wasn't huge in Asia? Hell, Departure was huge in Asia? I fail to see or understand how Escape outsells Frontiers by 30% or so in America, yet the world sees it differently and puts Frontiers over Escape by 40%? Not saying you are making this up, just questioning the list. And Greatest Hits is at 13 million in your list but that record has sold more than 15 million in the USA alone? Something is fuckered up here.
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Postby Matthew » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:21 am

Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:By the way, where's your imaginary friend Saint John?
lol...who? Tito? If that's who you're referring to there are plenty of people here that have met him. At least 10 or 20.

So now that your annual bukkake sabbatical is over I take it you'll be posting for a few months? :lol:



You've got to love Saint John. He spends all day at work on an internet messageboard lecturing rock stars about their lack of a work ethic. And at night he comes up with ever more inventive scenarios about gay sex instead of going out and finding himself a girlfriend.

I'm pleased to hear your friend is real though. :)
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Postby Saint John » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:27 am

Rockindeano wrote:You are saying Escape wasn't huge in Asia? Hell, Departure was huge in Asia? I fail to see or understand how Escape outsells Frontiers by 30% or so in America, yet the world sees it differently and puts Frontiers over Escape by 40%? Not saying you are making this up, just questioning the list. And Greatest Hits is at 13 million in your list but that record has sold more than 15 million in the USA alone? Something is fuckered up here.
All valid points/arguments.
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Postby Don » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:37 am

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Rockindeano wrote:Escape was and still is their most commercially successful record to this day
Really?
Worldwide sales (Obviously the TBF sales have been updated...or is that what it really sold? I never bought that Platinum bullshit for that album. No one bought it.
Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000




Rockindeano wrote: Also, in 1986, that was the time classic rock was on the decline. No one was selling squat, save U2 and Bruce.
Yeah...Hysteria by Def Leppard and Slippery When Wet from Bon Jovi hardly sold at all. :lol: :roll: :twisted:

Rockindeano wrote: I would not say Perry drove the band into the ground either.
Of course you wouldn't..."Perry's piss boys" (Joepa term :lol: ) would take you off the Christmas card list. :lol:

Rockindeano wrote:ROR did manage to go double platinum(legitimately by the way), and even TBF went platinum(also with no fuzzy math). Then poof! Perry leaves, and what does Journey do? They go on a selling rampage, moving a little over a 100K units of Arrival, about 431 Generations discs and now the Revelations crap. I think I more than proved my point here.
I don't think you have at all!!! Frontiers, with Herbie at the helm, moves 32 million worldwide and Perry squeezes 3 out of ROR. The grunge thing you tried arguing was way after that. Nirvana didn't hit mainstream until about 1991.

If these numbers are even partially correct, the core members of this band should be millionaires, even without their writing royalties. As far as alimony payments, look at Phil Collins. He has paid out over 50 million in alimony and is still loaded. Neal and John should just end this now. You got a decent record out, call it good and say goodnight. No way their next release tops Revelation in sales. Even if the songs are better, you'll be missing all the crutches (3 cds, including the retard disc, half price, poorboy story and Heart as a touring partner). Go out with some dignity for heaven's sake.
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Postby Matthew » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:37 am

Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:By the way, where's your imaginary friend Saint John?
lol...who? Tito? If that's who you're referring to there are plenty of people here that have met him. At least 10 or 20.

So now that your annual bukkake sabbatical is over I take it you'll be posting for a few months? :lol:



You've got to love Saint John. He spends all day at work on an internet messageboard lecturing rock stars about their lack of a work ethic. And at night he comes up with ever more inventive scenarios about gay sex instead of going out and finding himself a girlfriend.

I'm pleased to hear your friend is real though. :)
My annual review was through the roof. I won't apologize for being able to multi-task. Kinda like you being able to get your poop pushed and play tonsil tennis at the same time. There's another gay sex reference for ya, Mattie. :lol:



:lol: Yes - and another night goes by and the ladies of Chicago remain unaware of your charms. By the way...who do you work for? Your mum?
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:39 am

It's mom not mum bro. :)

I searched the entire Net for worldwide sales and found only 1 list, and Journey isn't even on it, so that can't be valid.
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Postby Saint John » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:39 am

Matthew wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:By the way, where's your imaginary friend Saint John?
lol...who? Tito? If that's who you're referring to there are plenty of people here that have met him. At least 10 or 20.

So now that your annual bukkake sabbatical is over I take it you'll be posting for a few months? :lol:



You've got to love Saint John. He spends all day at work on an internet messageboard lecturing rock stars about their lack of a work ethic. And at night he comes up with ever more inventive scenarios about gay sex instead of going out and finding himself a girlfriend.

I'm pleased to hear your friend is real though. :)
My annual review was through the roof. I won't apologize for being able to multi-task. Kinda like you being able to get your poop pushed and play tonsil tennis at the same time. There's another gay sex reference for ya, Mattie. :lol:



:lol: Yes - and another night goes by and the ladies of Chicago remain unaware of your charms. By the way...who do you work for? Your mum?
lol...this coming from the guy that has 2 semi-naked men in his avatar.
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Postby Matthew » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:41 am

Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:By the way, where's your imaginary friend Saint John?
lol...who? Tito? If that's who you're referring to there are plenty of people here that have met him. At least 10 or 20.

So now that your annual bukkake sabbatical is over I take it you'll be posting for a few months? :lol:



You've got to love Saint John. He spends all day at work on an internet messageboard lecturing rock stars about their lack of a work ethic. And at night he comes up with ever more inventive scenarios about gay sex instead of going out and finding himself a girlfriend.

I'm pleased to hear your friend is real though. :)
My annual review was through the roof. I won't apologize for being able to multi-task. Kinda like you being able to get your poop pushed and play tonsil tennis at the same time. There's another gay sex reference for ya, Mattie. :lol:



:lol: Yes - and another night goes by and the ladies of Chicago remain unaware of your charms. By the way...who do you work for? Your mum?
lol...this coming from the guy that has 2 semi-naked men in his avatar.


I'd concern yourself with the two words above yours....
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:49 am

LOL, what an outstanding thread.

Going from Revelations sales numbers, or lack therof, to Perry v Faga/Schon, to control of the band, to Frontiers not selling 32 million units, to bukkake, to Dan not having a cock socket to visit, to Matthew having balls on his chin and naked dudes in his avatar. Awesome.
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Postby Jana » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:51 am

Rockindeano wrote:LOL, what an outstanding thread.

Going from Revelations sales numbers, or lack therof, to Perry v Faga/Schon, to control of the band, to Frontiers not selling 32 million units, to bukkake, to Dan not having a cock socket to visit, to Matthew having balls on his chin and naked dudes in his avatar. Awesome.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby EightyRock » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:53 am

Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.
He couldn't legally do so!!!


For God's sake, SJ...Perry has enough respect for the Journey legacy that he wouldn't even consider calling another band that. You're walkin' off the deep end now, dude.
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Postby Saint John » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:03 am

EightyRock wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.
He couldn't legally do so!!!


For God's sake, SJ...Perry has enough respect for the Journey legacy that he wouldn't even consider calling another band that. You're walkin' off the deep end now, dude.
lol...what he did to that band from 1984 to 1998 suggests anything but respect. Ask Smith, Valory, Herbert, Chalfant or Rolie. I think every single ex-member in Journey, and Herbie, fucking hates his ass. Coincidence? :wink:
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Postby donnaplease » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:13 am

Saint John wrote:lol...what he did to that band from 1984 to 1998 suggests anything but respect. Ask Smith, Valory, Herbert, Chalfant or Rolie. I think every single ex-member in Journey, and Herbie, fucking hates his ass. Coincidence? :wink:


Oh my what I wouldn't give to have saved a few cell messages from a little over a year ago... :shock: :P
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Postby EightyRock » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:16 am

Saint John wrote:
EightyRock wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.
He couldn't legally do so!!!


For God's sake, SJ...Perry has enough respect for the Journey legacy that he wouldn't even consider calling another band that. You're walkin' off the deep end now, dude.
lol...what he did to that band from 1984 to 1998 suggests anything but respect. Ask Smith, Valory, Herbert, Chalfant or Rolie. I think every single ex-member in Journey, and Herbie, fucking hates his ass. Coincidence? :wink:


Of course they hate him. He backed the Brinks truck away and left them all scrounging for dignity and dollars! :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:17 am

donnaplease wrote:
Saint John wrote:lol...what he did to that band from 1984 to 1998 suggests anything but respect. Ask Smith, Valory, Herbert, Chalfant or Rolie. I think every single ex-member in Journey, and Herbie, fucking hates his ass. Coincidence? :wink:


Oh my what I wouldn't give to have saved a few cell messages from a little over a year ago... :shock: :P
I can't imagine what they would have to do with what Perry did from 1984 to 1998. :lol: If you're referring to me thinking that he was returning to Journey and my excitement I would be just as excited today...except now I know that he can't sing anymore. :lol: :twisted:
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Postby Saint John » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:17 am

EightyRock wrote:
Saint John wrote:
EightyRock wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Matthew wrote:Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.
He couldn't legally do so!!!


For God's sake, SJ...Perry has enough respect for the Journey legacy that he wouldn't even consider calling another band that. You're walkin' off the deep end now, dude.
lol...what he did to that band from 1984 to 1998 suggests anything but respect. Ask Smith, Valory, Herbert, Chalfant or Rolie. I think every single ex-member in Journey, and Herbie, fucking hates his ass. Coincidence? :wink:


Of course they hate him. He backed the Brinks truck away and left them all scrounging for dignity and dollars! :lol:
Ok...that made me laugh! 8)
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Postby donnaplease » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:30 am

Saint John wrote:
donnaplease wrote:
Saint John wrote:lol...what he did to that band from 1984 to 1998 suggests anything but respect. Ask Smith, Valory, Herbert, Chalfant or Rolie. I think every single ex-member in Journey, and Herbie, fucking hates his ass. Coincidence? :wink:


Oh my what I wouldn't give to have saved a few cell messages from a little over a year ago... :shock: :P
I can't imagine what they would have to do with what Perry did from 1984 to 1998. :lol: If you're referring to me thinking that he was returning to Journey and my excitement I would be just as excited today...except now I know that he can't sing anymore. :lol: :twisted:


And what have you learned between then and now that led you to that 'revelation'...? :twisted:

Seriously, Danielson... You are a card-carrying loon, I can't for the life of me figure out why you got this hate-on for SP here. We all know it's just an act. :P I've seen harder nuts to crack than you break down and admit it. You should try it, it's good for the soul. :wink:
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Postby EightyRock » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:32 am

Saint John wrote:Ok...that made me laugh! 8)


If nothing else, we can agree that he had a phenominal voice and co-wrote songs that are proving to be timeless. The dude thinks he gave the band the best years of his life and I can't argue with that. His oversight of the Houston '81 DVD gave every Journey fan something they'd been wanting for years. He delivered in spades. If it's not enough for some, then screw 'em!! :lol: :lol:
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Postby Rick » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:34 am

donnaplease wrote:
Saint John wrote:
donnaplease wrote:
Saint John wrote:lol...what he did to that band from 1984 to 1998 suggests anything but respect. Ask Smith, Valory, Herbert, Chalfant or Rolie. I think every single ex-member in Journey, and Herbie, fucking hates his ass. Coincidence? :wink:


Oh my what I wouldn't give to have saved a few cell messages from a little over a year ago... :shock: :P
I can't imagine what they would have to do with what Perry did from 1984 to 1998. :lol: If you're referring to me thinking that he was returning to Journey and my excitement I would be just as excited today...except now I know that he can't sing anymore. :lol: :twisted:


And what have you learned between then and now that led you to that 'revelation'...? :twisted:

Seriously, Danielson... You are a card-carrying loon, I can't for the life of me figure out why you got this hate-on for SP here. We all know it's just an act. :P I've seen harder nuts to crack than you break down and admit it. You should try it, it's good for the soul. :wink:


Are you saying his hard-on turned to a hate-on? :lol:
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Postby donnaplease » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:37 am

Rick wrote:
donnaplease wrote:
Saint John wrote:
donnaplease wrote:
Saint John wrote:lol...what he did to that band from 1984 to 1998 suggests anything but respect. Ask Smith, Valory, Herbert, Chalfant or Rolie. I think every single ex-member in Journey, and Herbie, fucking hates his ass. Coincidence? :wink:


Oh my what I wouldn't give to have saved a few cell messages from a little over a year ago... :shock: :P
I can't imagine what they would have to do with what Perry did from 1984 to 1998. :lol: If you're referring to me thinking that he was returning to Journey and my excitement I would be just as excited today...except now I know that he can't sing anymore. :lol: :twisted:


And what have you learned between then and now that led you to that 'revelation'...? :twisted:

Seriously, Danielson... You are a card-carrying loon, I can't for the life of me figure out why you got this hate-on for SP here. We all know it's just an act. :P I've seen harder nuts to crack than you break down and admit it. You should try it, it's good for the soul. :wink:


Are you saying his hard-on turned to a hate-on? :lol:


FINALLY!!! Somebody gets it! :twisted: 8)

Good job, Rick! :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:54 am

EightyRock wrote:
Saint John wrote:Ok...that made me laugh! 8)


If nothing else, we can agree that he had a phenominal voice and co-wrote songs that are proving to be timeless. The dude thinks he gave the band the best years of his life and I can't argue with that. His oversight of the Houston '81 DVD gave every Journey fan something they'd been wanting for years. He delivered in spades. If it's not enough for some, then screw 'em!! :lol: :lol:
Greatest voice I've ever heard and I think Journey from 1981-1983 was the greatest band ever.
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Postby Saint John » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:57 am

donnaplease wrote:And what have you learned between then and now that led you to that 'revelation'...?
Herbie Herbert said that Perry has gone to all of the greatest vocal coaches there are, but it's just not there anymore. I see no reason for him to make that up.

donnaplease wrote:Seriously, Danielson... You are a card-carrying loon, I can't for the life of me figure out why you got this hate-on for SP here. We all know it's just an act. :P I've seen harder nuts to crack than you break down and admit it. You should try it, it's good for the soul. :wink:
I have never wavered from my belief that Steve Perry is the greatest voice I've ever heard (from 1981-83...and even still in 1986 at times).
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:00 pm

Saint John wrote: I think Journey from 1981-1983 was the greatest band ever.


Are you on dope?
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Postby Saint John » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:05 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: I think Journey from 1981-1983 was the greatest band ever.


Are you on dope?
Not since college. :lol:
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:06 pm

Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: I think Journey from 1981-1983 was the greatest band ever.


Are you on dope?
Not since college. :lol:


Seriously, that was a bit outlandish don't you think?
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Postby Saint John » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:15 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: I think Journey from 1981-1983 was the greatest band ever.


Are you on dope?
Not since college. :lol:


Seriously, that was a bit outlandish don't you think?
Hey, man, I'm saying that to me they were. I refrain from using the stupid fucking IMO and IMHO shit. It's obviously my opinion. And no, I don't think it's outlandish at all. That period saw some of the greatest technical work musically and vocally ever. Couple that with them being, all things considered, the greatest live act ever, and yeah, I think they were the greatest band over any 3 year period. You fuckers blast me when I blast Perry and blast me when I pay him the ultimate respect. I think I'll go outside and lick a fucking light pole while it's still -4. :lol: :?
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Postby Rick » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:17 pm

Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: I think Journey from 1981-1983 was the greatest band ever.


Are you on dope?
Not since college. :lol:


Seriously, that was a bit outlandish don't you think?
Hey, man, I'm saying that to me they were. I refrain from using the stupid fucking IMO and IMHO shit. It's obviously my opinion. And no, I don't think it's outlandish at all. That period saw some of the greatest technical work musically and vocally ever. Couple that with them being, all things considered, the greatest live act ever, and yeah, I think they were the greatest band over any 3 year period. You fuckers blast me when I blast Perry and blast me when I pay him the ultimate respect. I think I'll go outside and lick a fucking light pole while it's still -4. :lol: :?


I agree totally. Greatest band, ever. And when you lick the light pole, take a cup of warm water with you. :lol:
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Postby DrFU » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:19 pm

Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: I think Journey from 1981-1983 was the greatest band ever.


Are you on dope?
Not since college. :lol:


Seriously, that was a bit outlandish don't you think?
Hey, man, I'm saying that to me they were. I refrain from using the stupid fucking IMO and IMHO shit. It's obviously my opinion. And no, I don't think it's outlandish at all. That period saw some of the greatest technical work musically and vocally ever. Couple that with them being, all things considered, the greatest live act ever, and yeah, I think they were the greatest band over any 3 year period. You fuckers blast me when I blast Perry and blast me when I pay him the ultimate respect. I think I'll go outside and lick a fucking light pole while it's still -4. :lol: :?


why don't you try peeing on one from really, really close? :twisted:
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Postby Saint John » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:22 pm

DrFU wrote:why don't you try peeing on one from really, really close? :twisted:
That idea hurt just readiing it!!! :evil: :lol: :shock:
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:25 pm

DrFU wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: I think Journey from 1981-1983 was the greatest band ever.


Are you on dope?
Not since college. :lol:


Seriously, that was a bit outlandish don't you think?
Hey, man, I'm saying that to me they were. I refrain from using the stupid fucking IMO and IMHO shit. It's obviously my opinion. And no, I don't think it's outlandish at all. That period saw some of the greatest technical work musically and vocally ever. Couple that with them being, all things considered, the greatest live act ever, and yeah, I think they were the greatest band over any 3 year period. You fuckers blast me when I blast Perry and blast me when I pay him the ultimate respect. I think I'll go outside and lick a fucking light pole while it's still -4. :lol: :?


why don't you try peeing on one from really, really close? :twisted:


Wouldn't work for Dan. When he pees, he pisses on his own balls. :twisted:
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