Questions for Longtime Posters

[artist4perry]

SteveW2..............Suffers from Frigaphobia, funny, and lives to flirt..........also fears cats. Oh Stevie woo.....here's one for you!



Tito.......... defender of Jon...........not very PC at times but can be a nice guy

Tito and SteveW2 are friends, that live to annoy each other..........the rest of us get popcorn, sit back and enjoy the nonsense.

Neal? Who hates Neal?

[nutz4Neal]

Neal has never been especially nice to me in person. So I can't say I like him much for that.

Neal has his good & bad days. Don't we all?

Yup, I've been lucky to catch him on his "good" days.

Cain on the other hand..

Me too and
me too!

[SherriBerry]

Interesting questions...
Did Neal put you up to
this or what?

Sorry, I've never met any of the members of the band! The question about Neal
started for me in the 'Beautiful Day' thread when Jana wrote that she could say
Neal Schon rocks and no one could call her on it. Deano replied that not many on
the board could find anything to like about Neal.

I rather doubt he would venture on this forum now, because I think it would be pretty
disheartening to read stuff like that about yourself from fans of your own band! But I
wanted to know why people say things like that because they don't usually give specific reasons.
The general consensus seems to be that he is taking the hit for the misdirection of the
band over the past couple of years, though personally I believe much of that is the result of poor
management. If a bad call is being made, it's up to management to counter it. They get paid
well enough - it looks like they dropped the ball and weren't earning their percentage.

Sarah mentioned that Neal has never been very nice to her in person, so perhaps
he may also need some work on his people skills? I don't know if she met him as a fan, because
I thought I read Sarah works in the music industry.

[annpea]

Interesting questions...
Did Neal put you up to
this or what?

Sorry, I've never met any of the members of the band! The question about Neal

started for me in the 'Beautiful Day' thread when Jana wrote that she could say
Neal Schon rocks and no one could call her on it. Deano replied that not many on
the board could find anything to like about Neal.

I rather doubt he would venture on this forum now, because I think it would be pretty
disheartening to read stuff like that about yourself from fans of your own band! But I
wanted to know why people say things like that because they don't usually give specific reasons.
The general consensus seems to be that he is taking the hit for the misdirection of the
band over the past couple of years, though personally I believe much of that is the result of poor
management. If a bad call is being made, it's up to management to counter it. They get paid
well enough - it looks like they dropped the ball and weren't earning their percentage.

I, think Neal's a big boy he can handle it;However, he's also a father; should his children be exposed to ugly comments toward him I think not; maybe that's why such stuff is banned from the JF. He maybe just a rockstar to us but he's still daddy to them. That also applies to all the other members too. I know that children can not be sheltered from every hurtful comment but some things can be said in a better way.

Sarah mentioned that Neal has never been very nice to her in person, so perhaps
he may also need some work on his people skills? I don't know if she met him as a fan, because
I thought I read Sarah works in the music industry.

It's hard to teach an old dawg new tricks but it might help working on his people skills it certainly couldn't hurt.

[Sarah]

Sarah mentioned that Neal has never been very nice to her in person, so perhaps
he may also need some work on his people skills? I don't know if she met him as a fan, because
I thought I read Sarah works in the music industry.

Haha I just had the privilege of going backstage a couple of times. Nothing exciting here.

[Suzanne]

Sarah mentioned that Neal has never been very nice to her in person, so perhaps
he may also need some work on his people skills? I don't know if she met him as a fan, because
I thought I read Sarah works in the music industry.

Haha I just had the privilege of going backstage a couple of times. Nothing exciting here.

Hey, that's nothing to sneeze at though!

[SherriBerry]

I'm pretty new here, but I've already spent too much time reading old threads and
still have questions! So for the benefit of all the Newbies, I thought I'd ask a few:

1 - Why does stevew2 hate Jon Cain or at least have a very unusual fixation
about him? (SteveW?)

2 - Why does Tito love Jon Cain as much as SteveW hates him? (Tito?)

3 - Since this is a Journey forum, I was wondering why there is such a hate-on for Neal?
Does anyone actually know him more than in passing (besides Jeremey, JSS,
and Andrew who have not said anything negative that I've read) and did he pee in
someone's cornflakes or steal their girlfriend?

i will answer you question in detail ,soon i am to tired now,Leonard is full of himself,watch him on the 2001 dvd after his solo before open arms,thats just a tidbit of his gayness.Glenn Campbell is a real man

Well, I watched the DVD and what I got was that he was a bit of a ham? SP used to call him Amadeus -
I wonder if he took that to heart.

[SherriBerry]

Now that you're back Tito, I thought you might want to respond

[strangegrey]

I'm pretty new here, but I've already spent too much time reading old threads and
still have questions! So for the benefit of all the Newbies, I thought I'd ask a few:

1 - Why does stevew2 hate Jon Cain or at least have a very unusual fixation
about him? (SteveW?)

2 - Why does Tito love Jon Cain as much as SteveW hates him? (Tito?)

3 - Since this is a Journey forum, I was wondering why there is such a hate-on for Neal?
Does anyone actually know him more than in passing (besides Jeremey, JSS,
and Andrew who have not said anything negative that I've read) and did he pee in
someone's cornflakes or steal their girlfriend?

Questions 1 & 2 can't really be answered justly by anyone here except Tito and Stevew2. Seriously, anyone else responding to how Tito or Stevew2 feels would be challenged in court...why should it be any different here?

As for #3, If you haven't been here long enough, then you weren't around to see/hear:

a. Lies surrounding the truth of scuttled tour plans in support of TBF.
b. Lies surrounding the truth of the timeline surrounding Perry's dismissal from the band in result of #1.
c. so-called "facts" and outright lies displayed in the quasi-documentary Journey Behind the Music by MTV.
d. Lies surrounding lip syncing, canned vocals, etc during at least a few Journey tours.
e. Lies surrounding the dismissal of Steve Augeri and hiring of his replacement, Jeff Scott Soto.
f. Lies surrounding the dismissal of Jeff Scott Soto (6 months later) and hiring of his replacement, Jeremey Hunsicker.
g. Lies surrounding the rescinding of the lead singer position offered to Jeremey and the hiring of Arnel.


Most reasonable people I know can overlook a few fibs here or there, but when there's massive coverups like the above mentioned issues...people tend to get a little angry they've been deceived for this long. I'm sure there's additional bullshit that had been thrust by the band prior to 96, but the TBF scandal was the first big one where people argued about it on the internet...and some of us have been online that long. Some people just find the band to have been dishonest for a decade or longer....However, they are unwilling to say goodbye to the music, just yet.


On a personal level, I've had my own dealings with the band on a personal level that have left a bad taste in my mouth...I've also met everyone in the band, and my first meeting with Neal Schon was just about the most disgusting experience I've ever had meeting someone for the first time. He displayed true disdain and lack of respect to almost everyone around him, except the females obviously looking for a breast to be signed. While I wouldn't consider myself someone who would ever call attention to a 'sexist' situation, that moment I met Neal Schon made me quite angry, because he treated every male fan of his with true contempt....


Also, let me try to address why Andrew, JSS or Jeremey don't speak up. Andrew can't. He's a journalist. If he starts making his 'opinions' known to the public he serves regarding the people he covers, he won't be a journalist very long. For professional reasons he needs to remain objective and report objectively. So to that end, If think he keeps a large part of his opinions to himself...as he should. JSS is likely limited by a desire to maintain a sense of professionalism in the eyes of people in this industry and the fans. He can only damage himself and his solo career by going to the press and bitching and moaning about Journey and what they did to him. He has earned a ton of respect by fans and industry insiders alike, by taking the high road here...and getting on with his career. Jeremey has similar reasons. He'd shoot himself in the foot if he started making waves...

[SherriBerry]

It sounds like losing Herbie Herbert as manager was the second worst
thing to happen to the band, because I doubt any of the aforementioned
disasters would have happened with him looking after Journey.

I can certainly understand why Andrew, JSS, and Jeremey are so diplomatic
and like Steve Perry, taking the high road shows a lot of class.

It really is a shame when stars stop appreciating their fans and the people
who helped make them successful. There is something so special about music -
you would think that it would mean something to a musician knowing that someone
loves their music so much that they just want a chance to tell you and shake your hand.

I think there are more than a few who need to remember what it was like when they were
struggling, touring nonstop in a junker and wondering if they would ever make it. And what
it felt like the first time anyone asked for their autograph. Elvis was the greatest
rockstar on the planet and he always treated his fans with the utmost respect and kindness,
because he appreciated them and knew they were the reason he was able to do what he loved.

[stevew2]

SteveW2..............Suffers from Frigaphobia, funny, and lives to flirt..........also fears cats. Oh Stevie woo.....here's one for you!



Tito.......... defender of Jon...........not very PC at times but can be a nice guy

Tito and SteveW2 are friends, that live to annoy each other..........the rest of us get popcorn, sit back and enjoy the nonsense.

Neal? Who hates Neal?

thats is scarey as shit, and tito aint back, and i am drunk and chasein and getting ready for Christmas eve.I have no idea whats going to happen ,hopefully i wont get run over a a fuckin reindeer

[MartyMoffatt]

Lies, exaggerations, misrepresentations of the truth etc are part and parcel of the music industry and exist to some degree in relation to EVERY band I've ever encountered. Maybe it's more prevalent in Journey, maybe not. Maybe because of forums like this it's just more high profile. However it is rarely the fault of one person. I don't know enough about the circumstances, the facts or the causes to have an unbiased opinion about that.

All I can talk about with confidence is my own personal experience with Neal. I've met him on dozens of occasions, one to one, had lots of email conversations with him, and been present at numerous meet and greets and seen first hand him interacting with fans etc. Not once on any of those occasions has he been anything other than cordial and accommodating and friendly. I've no doubt he has a darker side but I don't think it's fair to portray him as the universally evil character.

Marty

[SherriBerry]

Lies, exaggerations, misrepresentations of the truth etc are part and parcel of the music industry and exist to some degree in relation to EVERY band I've ever encountered. Maybe it's more prevalent in Journey, maybe not. Maybe because of forums like this it's just more high profile. However it is rarely the fault of one person. I don't know enough about the circumstances, the facts or the causes to have an unbiased opinion about that.

All I can talk about with confidence is my own personal experience with Neal. I've met him on dozens of occasions, one to one, had lots of email conversations with him, and been present at numerous meet and greets and seen first hand him interacting with fans etc. Not once on any of those occasions has he been anything other than cordial and accommodating and friendly. I've no doubt he has a darker side but I don't think it's fair to portray him as the universally evil character.

Marty

It's nice to hear something positive! There must be more people on this forum who have met him at meet and
greets, but only the individuals who, for whatever reason, had a negative experience seem to write about it.
I don't understand why that is.

[Enigma869]

There must be more people on this forum who have met him at meet and
greets, but only the individuals who, for whatever reason, had a negative experience seem to write about it.
I don't understand why that is.

Neal is a douche, period, end of story!

[RocknRoll]

Ran into Neal and his GF in a mall last summer. I found him to be very friendly, chatty and appreciative of the fans.

It must have been a good day.

[Enigma869]

Ran into Neal and his GF in a mall last summer. I found him to be very friendly, chatty and appreciative of the fans.

Maybe he's just in a better mood when he's between marriages

[Rick]

Ran into Neal and his GF in a mall last summer. I found him to be very friendly, chatty and appreciative of the fans.

Maybe he's just in a better mood when he's between marriages

He's sober now, it may have changed his disposition. He also feels like he's got his band back, since hiring Arnel.

[aliaslen]

Ran into Neal and his GF in a mall last summer. I found him to be very friendly, chatty and appreciative of the fans.

Maybe he's just in a better mood when he's between marriages

He's sober now, it may have changed his disposition. He also feels like he's got his band back, since hiring Arnel.

In this new vid, Neal was all smile and you can tell he's very proud of Arnel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKeS_MIZqq8

[strangegrey]

It sounds like losing Herbie Herbert as manager was the second worst thing to happen to the band, because I doubt any of the aforementioned disasters would have happened with him looking after Journey.

This is truly a first. Without Herbie Herbert, Neal Schon would probably be a sterno bum rotting in some back alley in San Francisco getting ass raped by rival gangs to this very day. While I think Greg Rollie would've taken better care of himself, I think Herbie rescued his ass from certain doom as well. One can say similar things about Ross as well...

Herbie's the very reason why Journey was as successful as it was....you can point to Perry, Schon, Rollie and that twat Cain as contributing actors in this drama...but Herbie was behind the scenes pulling every string, dotting every I and breaking every leg that stepped in the way of the band...

Since Journey's demise in 83 (and brief flirt with return in 86), Herbie was actively pushing the Journey catalog...and effectively gave every scumbag in this band financial security during the 90s, when they were doing dick. Another thing to consider is the comparatively mediocre album sales and success the band has achieved without Herbie in the mix. TBF, compared to every previous album save for ROR was a relative failure. Generations, Arrival and Revelation, much of the same. The missing ingredient in all of this is Herbie....

People like to blame Herbie for the reason why things ironed out the way they did...but I find such a statement deplorable and reckless...considering the fact that the band has only known massive success under Herbie....and they've known nothing but relative failure and grand scandal under that piece of utter shite, Irving Assoff and his ethicless douchebag leutenant, Tom Consolo.

I believe Herbie is one of the few people as of late that has been honest and forthright with respect to what he's said. The people that blast Herbie are the loons and the Frigafuckers. THose two groups are too painfully stung by Herbie's words...and as they say, the truth hurts most of all...

[bluejeangirl76]

Herbie's the very reason why Journey was as successful as it was....you can point to Perry, Schon, Rollie and that twat Cain as contributing actors in this drama...but Herbie was behind the scenes pulling every string, dotting every I and breaking every leg that stepped in the way of the band...

Jesus, you can't spell "Rolie" either?

But you're right - Herbie's the reason. Without Perry they wouldn't have been huge, but without Herbie they wouldn't have had Perry so there you have it.

[Enigma869]

He also feels like he's got his band back, since hiring Arnel.

Yeah...That's his standard line with each new lead singer he hires. He used that exact quote when Augeri was the hired gun. Sadly, even Neal knows that he'll never have "his band" back. That train left the station a very long time ago and isn't coming back!

[strangegrey]

Herbie's the very reason why Journey was as successful as it was....you can point to Perry, Schon, Rollie and that twat Cain as contributing actors in this drama...but Herbie was behind the scenes pulling every string, dotting every I and breaking every leg that stepped in the way of the band...

Jesus, you can't spell "Rolie" either?

But you're right - Herbie's the reason. Without Perry they wouldn't have been huge, but without Herbie they wouldn't have had Perry so there you have it.

Ugh, bite me...I've *never* been a fantastic speller...

[strangegrey]

Herbie's the very reason why Journey was as successful as it was....you can point to Perry, Schon, Rollie and that twat Cain as contributing actors in this drama...but Herbie was behind the scenes pulling every string, dotting every I and breaking every leg that stepped in the way of the band...

Jesus, you can't spell "Rolie" either?

But you're right - Herbie's the reason. Without Perry they wouldn't have been huge, but without Herbie they wouldn't have had Perry so there you have it.

Also, even if they had Perry, but not Herbie...they would have just fucking scuttled...I really believe that Perry, like Schon and Cain are truly self destructive individuals...and they needed someone to man the helm, so to speak. Behind every true talent, there's someone making sure the talent doesn't get pissed away or abused.

[Sarah]

It's nice to hear something positive! There must be more people on this forum who have met him at meet and
greets, but only the individuals who, for whatever reason, had a negative experience seem to write about it.
I don't understand why that is.

I don't think that's true, I think that's just the only ones you remember. I know I have a read many positive experiences with Neal, I guess mostly on Back Talk but they were there.

[artist4perry]

It's nice to hear something positive! There must be more people on this forum who have met him at meet and
greets, but only the individuals who, for whatever reason, had a negative experience seem to write about it.
I don't understand why that is.

I don't think that's true, I think that's just the only ones you remember. I know I have a read many positive experiences with Neal, I guess mostly on Back Talk but they were there.

He was very nice to me when I met him years ago with Hardline. Look folks these are people we are talking about, capable of having good days and bad. Capable of being a great person or not so great. Capable of getting angry and hurt and everything else we all feel at times. I look at it as I was not there and should not judge. I choose to like all of them individually, and just understand that sometimes, things do not work out between people. We don't all agree on this MR site, but I don't try and hold a grudge against anyone here either. It serves no purpose, and tends to make the grudge holder the one who suffers in the long run. Have a great Christmas everyone!

[Rick]

He also feels like he's got his band back, since hiring Arnel.

Yeah...That's his standard line with each new lead singer he hires. He used that exact quote when Augeri was the hired gun. Sadly, even Neal knows that he'kk never have "his band" back. That train left the station a very long time ago and isn't coming back!

Very good point. But I do think he's proud of Arnel, the way he found him and he does get a lot closer to Perry's sound and energy. I definitely respect Augeri and his huge contribution to the band though.

[strangegrey]

He also feels like he's got his band back, since hiring Arnel.

Yeah...That's his standard line with each new lead singer he hires. He used that exact quote when Augeri was the hired gun. Sadly, even Neal knows that he'kk never have "his band" back. That train left the station a very long time ago and isn't coming back!

Very good point. But I do think he's proud of Arnel, the way he found him and he does get a lot closer to Perry's sound and energy. I definitely respect Augeri and his huge contribution to the band though.

Until the next guy...really. Neal sounds like the boy who cried wolf. While I have tons of respect for both JSS and Augeri...as both have *personally* and professionally earned it with me (and I have marginal respect for Arnel)....but seriously. The magic of this band has been diluted with each successive singer. What was the most magical, mystifying, elusively dangerous band in the world, became more and more a joke with each lead singer Friga or Fro booted....

This last time they announced a new singer it reduced the band from something that was faltering on the edge (ironically held by a thread from falling into the abyss by JSS) into a dive bar joke...

[Don]

He also feels like he's got his band back, since hiring Arnel.

Yeah...That's his standard line with each new lead singer he hires. He used that exact quote when Augeri was the hired gun. Sadly, even Neal knows that he'kk never have "his band" back. That train left the station a very long time ago and isn't coming back!

Very good point. But I do think he's proud of Arnel, the way he found him and he does get a lot closer to Perry's sound and energy. I definitely respect Augeri and his huge contribution to the band though.

Serious question here. I wonder if they coached Arnel along during the recordings, saying things like "Steve would probably do it this way" or " Try adlibbing at The end of the song or add some falsettos, like Perry would do".

[SherriBerry]

It sounds like losing Herbie Herbert as manager was the second worst thing to happen to the band, because I doubt any of the aforementioned disasters would have happened with him looking after Journey.

This is truly a first. Without Herbie Herbert, Neal Schon would probably be a sterno bum rotting in some back alley in San Francisco getting ass raped by rival gangs to this very day. While I think Greg Rollie would've taken better care of himself, I think Herbie rescued his ass from certain doom as well. One can say similar things about Ross as well...

Herbie's the very reason why Journey was as successful as it was....you can point to Perry, Schon, Rollie and that twat Cain as contributing actors in this drama...but Herbie was behind the scenes pulling every string, dotting every I and breaking every leg that stepped in the way of the band...

Since Journey's demise in 83 (and brief flirt with return in 86), Herbie was actively pushing the Journey catalog...and effectively gave every scumbag in this band financial security during the 90s, when they were doing dick. Another thing to consider is the comparatively mediocre album sales and success the band has achieved without Herbie in the mix. TBF, compared to every previous album save for ROR was a relative failure. Generations, Arrival and Revelation, much of the same. The missing ingredient in all of this is Herbie....

People like to blame Herbie for the reason why things ironed out the way they did...but I find such a statement deplorable and reckless...considering the fact that the band has only known massive success under Herbie....and they've known nothing but relative failure and grand scandal under that piece of utter shite, Irving Assoff and his ethicless douchebag leutenant, Tom Consolo.

I believe Herbie is one of the few people as of late that has been honest and forthright with respect to what he's said. The people that blast Herbie are the loons and the Frigafuckers. THose two groups are too painfully stung by Herbie's words...and as they say, the truth hurts most of all...

I wrote that losing Herbie was the second worst thing to happen to the band, not the best thing - so what are
you talking about? By the way, I think losing Steve Perry was the #1 worst thing. And since I followed that
statement by saying that none of the aforementioned disasters they had (the ones you listed that were post-TBF)
would have happened under Herbie, I fail to understand how that could be interpreted any other way than Herbie was a great manager.

[Don]

It sounds like losing Herbie Herbert as manager was the second worst thing to happen to the band, because I doubt any of the aforementioned disasters would have happened with him looking after Journey.

This is truly a first. Without Herbie Herbert, Neal Schon would probably be a sterno bum rotting in some back alley in San Francisco getting ass raped by rival gangs to this very day. While I think Greg Rollie would've taken better care of himself, I think Herbie rescued his ass from certain doom as well. One can say similar things about Ross as well...

Herbie's the very reason why Journey was as successful as it was....you can point to Perry, Schon, Rollie and that twat Cain as contributing actors in this drama...but Herbie was behind the scenes pulling every string, dotting every I and breaking every leg that stepped in the way of the band...

Since Journey's demise in 83 (and brief flirt with return in 86), Herbie was actively pushing the Journey catalog...and effectively gave every scumbag in this band financial security during the 90s, when they were doing dick. Another thing to consider is the comparatively mediocre album sales and success the band has achieved without Herbie in the mix. TBF, compared to every previous album save for ROR was a relative failure. Generations, Arrival and Revelation, much of the same. The missing ingredient in all of this is Herbie....

People like to blame Herbie for the reason why things ironed out the way they did...but I find such a statement deplorable and reckless...considering the fact that the band has only known massive success under Herbie....and they've known nothing but relative failure and grand scandal under that piece of utter shite, Irving Assoff and his ethicless douchebag leutenant, Tom Consolo.

I believe Herbie is one of the few people as of late that has been honest and forthright with respect to what he's said. The people that blast Herbie are the loons and the Frigafuckers. THose two groups are too painfully stung by Herbie's words...and as they say, the truth hurts most of all...

I wrote that losing Herbie was the second worst thing to happen to the band, not the best thing - so what are
you talking about? By the way, I think losing Steve Perry was the #1 worst thing. And since I followed that
statement by saying that none of the aforementioned disasters they had (the ones you listed that were post-TBF)
would have happened under Herbie, I fail to understand how that could be interpreted any other way than Herbie was a great manager.

I think you took his post the wrong way. You're one of the few people who put up a post acknowledging the importance of H.H. Strangegrey was just piggybacking off of your statement and bringing enlightenment to the ignorant.