OT: Celtics are scary good

[ttango1]

So are we talking physical size or population?
You and I know that physical size don't mean shit when it comes to TV Markets.

Trying to hold a small market down? Give me a break with that stupid shit! You do realize that San Antonio is more than twice the size of Boston, right? Hell, Boston doesn't even rank in the top 20 largest metro areas in the country!

Just to prove a point. We're talking TV Markets now. Meaning the number of viewers for a given city. I worked 8 years in US demographics so instead of just hypothesizing, let's get to the meat of it shall we?

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2008               
Ranking    2009            
Ranking    +/-         Designated Market Area (DMA)      
Numerically | Alphabetically    Past Rankings            
1   1         New York, NY   
2   2         Los Angeles, CA   
3   3         Chicago, IL   
4   4         Philadelphia, PA   
6   5   1      Dallas - Ft. Worth, TX   
5   6   -1      San Francisco - Oakland - San Jose, CA   
7   7         Boston, MA   
9   8   1      Atlanta, GA   
8   9   -1      Washington, DC   
10   10         Houston, TX   
11   11         Detroit, MI   
13   12   1      Phoenix, AZ   
12   13   -1      Tampa - St. Petersburg - Sarasota, FL   
14   14         Seattle - Tacoma, WA   
15   15         Minneapolis, MN   
16   16         Miami - Ft. Lauderdale, FL   
17   17         Cleveland - Akron, OH   
18   18         Denver, CO   
19   19         Orlando - Daytona Beach - Melbourne, FL   
20   20         Sacramento - Stockton - Modesto, CA   
21   21         St. Louis, MO   
23   22   1      Portland, OR   
22   23   -1      Pittsburgh, PA   
26   24   2      Charlotte, NC   
25   25         Indianapolis, IN   
24   26   -2      Baltimore, MD   
29   27   2      Raleigh - Durham, NC   
27   28   -1      San Diego, CA   
30   29   1      Nashville, TN   
28   30   -2      Hartford - New Haven, CT   
31   31         Kansas City, MO   
32   32         Columbus, OH   
35   33   2      Salt Lake City, UT   
33   34   -1      Cincinnati, OH   
34   35   -1      Milwaukee, WI   
36   36         Greenville - Spartanburg, SC / Asheville, NC / Anderson, SC   
37   37         San Antonio, TX   
38   38         West Palm Beach - Fort Pierce, FL   
39   39         Grand Rapids - Kalamazoo - Battle Creek, MI   
40   40         Birmingham, AL   


Boston is number 7...you were saying?
Small Market Spurs are #37. Small Market San Diego Chargers are #28

Yes I know that the Chargers are in the LA Market but truthfully, that market is more Raiders than Chargers and even if the NFL and the networks want an NFL Team there, the citizens of LA just say NO THANKS and want to watch their 3 games on TV every week.

Spurs will whup Laker Ass this year. That's almost as easy to pick as Pacquiao destroying Olden Boy De La Hoya!!!

[Enigma869]

So are we talking physical size or population?
You and I know that physical size don't mean shit when it comes to TV Markets.


Just to prove a point. We're talking TV Markets now. Meaning the number of viewers for a given city. I worked 8 years in US demographics so instead of just hypothesizing, let's get to the meat of it shall we?

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2008               
Ranking    2009            
Ranking    +/-         Designated Market Area (DMA)      
Numerically | Alphabetically    Past Rankings            
1   1         New York, NY   
2   2         Los Angeles, CA   
3   3         Chicago, IL   
4   4         Philadelphia, PA   
6   5   1      Dallas - Ft. Worth, TX   
5   6   -1      San Francisco - Oakland - San Jose, CA   
7   7         Boston, MA   
9   8   1      Atlanta, GA   
8   9   -1      Washington, DC   
10   10         Houston, TX   
11   11         Detroit, MI   
13   12   1      Phoenix, AZ   
12   13   -1      Tampa - St. Petersburg - Sarasota, FL   
14   14         Seattle - Tacoma, WA   
15   15         Minneapolis, MN   
16   16         Miami - Ft. Lauderdale, FL   
17   17         Cleveland - Akron, OH   
18   18         Denver, CO   
19   19         Orlando - Daytona Beach - Melbourne, FL   
20   20         Sacramento - Stockton - Modesto, CA   
21   21         St. Louis, MO   
23   22   1      Portland, OR   
22   23   -1      Pittsburgh, PA   
26   24   2      Charlotte, NC   
25   25         Indianapolis, IN   
24   26   -2      Baltimore, MD   
29   27   2      Raleigh - Durham, NC   
27   28   -1      San Diego, CA   
30   29   1      Nashville, TN   
28   30   -2      Hartford - New Haven, CT   
31   31         Kansas City, MO   
32   32         Columbus, OH   
35   33   2      Salt Lake City, UT   
33   34   -1      Cincinnati, OH   
34   35   -1      Milwaukee, WI   
36   36         Greenville - Spartanburg, SC / Asheville, NC / Anderson, SC   
37   37         San Antonio, TX   
38   38         West Palm Beach - Fort Pierce, FL   
39   39         Grand Rapids - Kalamazoo - Battle Creek, MI   
40   40         Birmingham, AL   


Boston is number 7...you were saying?
Small Market Spurs are #37. Small Market San Diego Chargers are #28

Yes I know that the Chargers are in the LA Market but truthfully, that market is more Raiders than Chargers and even if the NFL and the networks want an NFL Team there, the citizens of LA just say NO THANKS and want to watch their 3 games on TV every week.

Spurs will whup Laker Ass this year. That's almost as easy to pick as Pacquiao destroying Olden Boy De La Hoya!!!

I don't care if you're talking about DMA's or not. Saying someone is trying to "hold down a small market" team is still moronic. I'm pretty sure that your "small market" Spurs have won more championships in the past 20 seasons than the "large market" Celtics and Knicks, combined. As I said, the size of a media market is irrelevant. If you have good players, you'll win games, regardless of what "market" you happen to be in. Let me know when the Spurs get out of third place in their own division and then get back to me about them "whupping Laker ass". You're delusional, as usual. Between the fraud shitbag Chargers and the old and tired Spurs, it's going to be a long winter for you!

[ttango1]

Don't be a Masshole...I'm JUST KIDDING. I learned that term from my Maine-iac friends who love the Red Sox. I'm down with the Sox, they have a great ownership group and are as professional as they come. Us Padre fans miss Larry Luchinno.

Anyways, it's an odd-year and the Spurs have titles in 03,05,07 and look this year it's 2009.

It shouldn't be a shock if they win, but since Big Market Media only wants to talk about The C's and the fLakers, I do get perturbed with their force-fed antics.

So forgive me if I seem chippy...

It's hard to be a Spurs/Chargers Fan in fLaker/LA Rayduh land.

[Enigma869]

Big Market Media only wants to talk about The C's and the fLakers, I do get perturbed with their force-fed antics.

Sorry dude...I've had this discussion with others on this board. Contrary to what some think, the media focuses on teams who win and the designated market area you happen to be in couldn't be less relevant. Prior to last season, the Celtics hadn't been talked about by anyone (including the Boston media) in almost 20 freakin' years. Why? Because they sucked! The Tampa Bay Devil Rays got PLENTY of media attention across the country this past season, and they're in a tiny media market. It all comes down to winning teams. There is zero media bias. When big market teams suck, they get FAR less attention, and rightfully so.

[S2M]

Big Market Media only wants to talk about The C's and the fLakers, I do get perturbed with their force-fed antics.

Sorry dude...I've had this discussion with others on this board. Contrary to what some think, the media focuses on teams who win and the designated market area you happen to be in couldn't be less relevant. Prior to last season, the Celtics hadn't been talked about by anyone (including the Boston media) in almost 20 freakin' years. Why? Because they sucked! The Tampa Bay Devil Rays got PLENTY of media attention across the country this past season, and they're in a tiny media market. It all comes down to winning teams. There is zero media bias. When big market teams suck, they get FAR less attention, and rightfully so.

Unless you are the Dallas Fraud Boys.....then no matter what you do, you get media.

[Enigma869]

It's hard to be a Spurs/Chargers Fan in fLaker/LA Rayduh land.

Please explain to me how it's do difficult to be a San Diego Chargers fan in San Diego? They sell out their games, so they obviously have some fans in their own back yard.

[Don]

It's hard to be a Spurs/Chargers Fan in fLaker/LA Rayduh land.

Please explain to me how it's do difficult to be a San Diego Chargers fan in San Diego? They sell out their games, so they obviously have some fans in their own back yard.

Here in L.A., we're stuck with either the North Tijuana Chargers or the Faders every week as our local game on T.V. We don't have a team but we still get stuck watching crap football.

[Rockindeano]

It's hard to be a Spurs/Chargers Fan in fLaker/LA Rayduh land.

Please explain to me how it's do difficult to be a San Diego Chargers fan in San Diego? They sell out their games, so they obviously have some fans in their own back yard.

What he is saying John is nobody in LA cares about the Chargers. Basically all the felons, illegals, gun toters, taggers and Mexicans are Raider fans. Everyone else is a USC fan. No one gives a shit about the Chargers. Seriously, that's the truth.

[Enigma869]

What he is saying John is nobody in LA cares about the Chargers.

I wasn't referring to Los Angeles, Dean. I realize it's southern CA, but as far as I can tell, the two cities are still a solid two hours away from each other and over 120 miles apart. Also, as far as I can tell, he lives directly in San Diego, and not Los Angeles.

No one gives a shit about the Chargers. Seriously, that's the truth.

Well someone must care, because they manage to sell over 71,000 tickets to every one of their games at Qualcomm Stadium. At the end of the day, it's all relative. Even though I respect you as a sports fan, it's no secret that Californians aren't viewed as the best sports fans in the country. In fact, I believe that only the south has worse sports fans than California. Both areas are known for complete apathy.

[Don]

What he is saying John is nobody in LA cares about the Chargers.

I wasn't referring to Los Angeles, Dean. I realize it's southern CA, but as far as I can tell, the two cities are still a solid two hours away from each other and over 120 miles apart. Also, as far as I can tell, he lives directly in San Diego, and not Los Angeles.

No one gives a shit about the Chargers. Seriously, that's the truth.

Well someone must care, because they manage to sell over 71,000 tickets to every one of their games at Qualcomm Stadium. At the end of the day, it's all relative. Even though I respect you as a sports fan, it's no secret that Californians aren't viewed as the best sports fans in the country. In fact, I believe that only the south has worse sports fans than California. Both areas are known for complete apathy.

For years the city had to buy the tickets in a deal with Spanos'. Now a lot of local corporations buy them to avoid the local TV blackout.

[ttango1]

It's hard to be a Spurs/Chargers Fan in fLaker/LA Rayduh land.

Please explain to me how it's do difficult to be a San Diego Chargers fan in San Diego? They sell out their games, so they obviously have some fans in their own back yard.

What he is saying John is nobody in LA cares about the Chargers. Basically all the felons, illegals, gun toters, taggers and Mexicans are Raider fans. Everyone else is a USC fan. No one gives a shit about the Chargers. Seriously, that's the truth.

Bingo Deano! While we do have plenty of Charger fans, we have tons of Chokeland Fader fans as well and those eye-patches are fricken everywhere.

[ttango1]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spur ... ovich.html

Green days: Popovich recently posited that Tim Duncan would have been an ideal member of the great Boston Celtics teams of the 1980s.

“He plays a little like (Larry) Bird and (Kevin) McHale played,” Popovich said. “He has an innate understanding of the game and spatial relationships, what teammates are going to do and what's needed at a certain time. Never in a hurry. Always a patient, skillful player who understands the situation.

“I think that's how Kevin played, that's how Larry played. He's almost an anachronism. He's a throwback. He'd have been a great Celtic with those guys.”

McHale, now coaching the Timberwolves, agreed wholeheartedly.

“There's guys that transcend whenever you play, and he's one of those guys,” McHale said. “He could have played in the 1960s, '70s or '80s ... the '90s, 2000s, 2020, 2030.

“He's a very gifted, smart basketball player, and if you take the gifts you're blessed with and put some intelligence on top of that, which he's done, the game becomes very simple.”

McHale said he is especially impressed with Duncan's efficiency on the court.

“He doesn't move around a lot. He's very efficient. Conversely, our young guys move around like chickens with their heads cut off and don't get much accomplished. Then, they don't understand why they're tired and Tim is not.

“He's the wise old vet, and it takes some time to get there. Some guys aren't blessed with both the mental and physical capabilities of great stuff. Tim has them, and that's what makes him so effective.”

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/w ... ref=sircrc

"He, as a 'big' right now, is by far the best,'' Timberwolves coach Kevin McHale said. "He's smart. He doesn't run around. No wasted energy. Things I'm trying to get our guys to do -- basketball's a game of read-and-react. Especially with young guys, they want to 'run' the offense. But the offense doesn't score -- the read inside the offense does. Things happen, Tim just stands there and goes [McHale very slowly looks left, very slowly looks right]. Then he moves into the open spot.

"Believe it or not, that's how everybody played. You didn't run on top of each other. You gave everybody space. He's different because, right now, for whatever reason -- either how the game is taught or how the young guys play in AAU or whatever -- it's, 'We're going to go as fast as we can, run around as fast as we possibly can.' He just takes his time. Let the defense make mistakes.''

Said Duncan: "I'm not a quick guy. If I can slow it down, take my time and go to my own strengths, I can neutralize a lot of what people are able to do against me. You try to make people react to you more than you react to people. When you can do that, you're the one in control. You know what's going on and everyone else has to figure it out on the fly. I try to base my game around that. That's how I've always played.''

[Enigma869]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Ginobilis_grimace_ankle_grab_momentarily_alarm_Popovich.html

Green days: Popovich recently posited that Tim Duncan would have been an ideal member of the great Boston Celtics teams of the 1980s.

“He plays a little like (Larry) Bird and (Kevin) McHale played,” Popovich said. “He has an innate understanding of the game and spatial relationships, what teammates are going to do and what's needed at a certain time. Never in a hurry. Always a patient, skillful player who understands the situation.

“I think that's how Kevin played, that's how Larry played. He's almost an anachronism. He's a throwback. He'd have been a great Celtic with those guys.”

McHale, now coaching the Timberwolves, agreed wholeheartedly.

“There's guys that transcend whenever you play, and he's one of those guys,” McHale said. “He could have played in the 1960s, '70s or '80s ... the '90s, 2000s, 2020, 2030.

“He's a very gifted, smart basketball player, and if you take the gifts you're blessed with and put some intelligence on top of that, which he's done, the game becomes very simple.”

McHale said he is especially impressed with Duncan's efficiency on the court.

“He doesn't move around a lot. He's very efficient. Conversely, our young guys move around like chickens with their heads cut off and don't get much accomplished. Then, they don't understand why they're tired and Tim is not.

“He's the wise old vet, and it takes some time to get there. Some guys aren't blessed with both the mental and physical capabilities of great stuff. Tim has them, and that's what makes him so effective.”

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/w ... ref=sircrc

"He, as a 'big' right now, is by far the best,'' Timberwolves coach Kevin McHale said. "He's smart. He doesn't run around. No wasted energy. Things I'm trying to get our guys to do -- basketball's a game of read-and-react. Especially with young guys, they want to 'run' the offense. But the offense doesn't score -- the read inside the offense does. Things happen, Tim just stands there and goes [McHale very slowly looks left, very slowly looks right]. Then he moves into the open spot.

"Believe it or not, that's how everybody played. You didn't run on top of each other. You gave everybody space. He's different because, right now, for whatever reason -- either how the game is taught or how the young guys play in AAU or whatever -- it's, 'We're going to go as fast as we can, run around as fast as we possibly can.' He just takes his time. Let the defense make mistakes.''

Said Duncan: "I'm not a quick guy. If I can slow it down, take my time and go to my own strengths, I can neutralize a lot of what people are able to do against me. You try to make people react to you more than you react to people. When you can do that, you're the one in control. You know what's going on and everyone else has to figure it out on the fly. I try to base my game around that. That's how I've always played.''

Certainly flattering words coming from the greatest low post player (McHale) that my eyes ever saw. That said, you really don't have to convince anybody of Duncan's greatness. He's been a great player and a class act for as long as he's been in the NBA. The Spurs simply aren't the team to beat any longer in the Western Conference. They're simply one of the teams "in the mix".

[conversationpc]

Certainly flattering words coming from the greatest low post player (McHale) that my eyes ever saw.

Boy, I remember getting so pumped watching those Lakers/Celtics matchups back in the 80s. Of course, being a Lakers fan, I was rooting for them to beat the living crap out of the Celts but those games were almost always good ones. It was especially interesting watching the Mychal Thompson vs. McHale matchup. Thompson obviously could not stop McHale but he was better than anyone else at slowing him down a bit.

That said, you really don't have to convince anybody of Duncan's greatness. He's been a great player and a class act for as long as he's been in the NBA.

I've never been able to stand that guy. He's certainly a great, great player but he's also one of the biggest complainers in the league. Mouths off to the refs ALL the time. He just manages to avoid getting T'd up unlike a Rasheed Wallace.

I'm getting ramped up for the game later this afternoon. I'm not much of an NBA guy anymore but I'm definitely watching this one. Should be a good game.

[S2M]

Not trying to be a 'homer', but Lakers got the calls tonight. Refs weren't calling anything in the first half. So Bynum and Gasol stayed out of foul trouble. But the second half, C's couldn't catch a break. Lakers got the home town officiating. When was the last time you saw someone get called for 'carrying'? I think it was 1985. Bullshit calls. I'm still not impressed with this Laker team.

[Enigma869]

Not trying to be a 'homer', but Lakers got the calls tonight. Refs weren't calling anything in the first half. So Bynum and Gasol stayed out of foul trouble. But the second half, C's couldn't catch a break. Lakers got the home town officiating. When was the last time you saw someone get called for 'carrying'? I think it was 1985. Bullshit calls. I'm still not impressed with this Laker team.

Don't sweat it dude. Sometimes teams just get outplayed, and the Celtics got outplayed tonight. I'm not someone who is going to blame everything on the officials, because bad calls are made in every sport on both sides. I will say that I found the streamers being released at the conclusion of the game at The Staples Center (am I the only one who finds it odd that a Massachusetts based company has their name on a Los Angeles sports arena?) very strange. The Lakers and their fans were celebrating like they just won the championship. Very odd for a team who has won so many championships. I still think the Celtics have a stronger team and will win a 7 game series against the Lakers. The Celtics defense is FAR superior, and that's usually the difference maker in the playoffs.

[zino]

Not trying to be a 'homer', but Lakers got the calls tonight. Refs weren't calling anything in the first half. So Bynum and Gasol stayed out of foul trouble. But the second half, C's couldn't catch a break. Lakers got the home town officiating. When was the last time you saw someone get called for 'carrying'? I think it was 1985. Bullshit calls. I'm still not impressed with this Laker team.

Don't sweat it dude. Sometimes teams just get outplayed, and the Celtics got outplayed tonight. I'm not someone who is going to blame everything on the officials, because bad calls are made in every sport on both sides. I will say that I found the streamers being released at the conclusion of the game at The Staples Center (am I the only one who finds it odd that a Massachusetts based company has their name on a Los Angeles sports arena?) very strange. The Lakers and their fans were celebrating like they just won the championship. Very odd for a team who has won so many championships. I still think the Celtics have a stronger team and will win a 7 game series against the Lakers. The Celtics defense is FAR superior, and that's usually the difference maker in the playoffs.

I was noticing the same thing about the streamers. Kindda over the top. The win streak had to come to an end, at least they lost on the road to a good team and not to Oklahoma City !! This was just one game out of 82. The C's will be there in the end !

To quote Larry Bird upon entering the dressing room for the second 3 point contest ( Maybe 1988) " Who's Playin for second place " !!

[AJ]

[quote="Enigma869"][quote="StocktontoMalone"]Not trying to be a 'homer', but Lakers got the calls tonight. Refs weren't calling anything in the first half. So Bynum and Gasol stayed out of foul trouble. But the second half, C's couldn't catch a break. Lakers got the home town officiating. When was the last time you saw someone get called for 'carrying'? I think it was 1985. Bullshit calls. I'm still not impressed with this Laker team.[/quote]

Don't sweat it dude. Sometimes teams just get outplayed, and the Celtics got outplayed tonight. I'm not someone who is going to blame everything on the officials, because bad calls are made in every sport on both sides. I will say that I found the streamers being released at the conclusion of the game at The Staples Center (am I the only one who finds it odd that a Massachusetts based company has their name on a Los Angeles sports arena?) very strange. The Lakers and their fans were celebrating like they just won the championship. Very odd for a team who has won so many championships. I still think the Celtics have a stronger team and will win a 7 game series against the Lakers. The Celtics defense is FAR superior, and that's usually the difference maker in the playoffs.[/quote]

They have to get by Cleveland first! Won't be as easy as you think. They took the Celtics to 7 and it took a Superman effort by Paul Pierce to win it, and the Cavs are MUCH better than last year. I can't wait for that series! It will be a war. I think the Eastern Conference Finals this year is the real NBA Finals because both Boston and Cleveland can beat the Lakers in a 7-game series!

[Enigma869]

They have to get by Cleveland first! Won't be as easy as you think.

I never suggested anything would be easy. I was simply offering an opinion that the Celtics were a better team than the Lakers. Cleveland is nothing more than a one man show. Take LeBron off of that team and they're a lottery team. While I think LeBron is a stud of a player, I think the Celtics are a better team. We'll see what happens in the Spring.

[Don]

The problem with the EURO Lake Show is a lot of those players, primarily Gasol are going to break down, as has been their style, over the season. Look for them to lose star players to major injuries in the next couple of months.