Journey Trivia Question for Longtimers

[Michigan Girl]

LMAO.....Tito would LOVE it if he were Friga.....

[Angel]

that was just as much Neal's fault for dumping them to jump back on the gravy train.

Bullshit!!! You can't honestly believe that Neal had any other choice than to say yes to one of the most anticipated reunions ever. Neal would have been forever demonized by Journey fans had he held on to the Rolie/Chalfant incarnation. He made the only move he could. Everyone here would still be bitching that he put Steve Perry into retirement. But he let it play out and let Steve retire himself. Advantage-Neal.

Somehow I knew you were going to enter this thread with your mouth firmly and juicily encasing Neal's dick.

I'm so confused......I love it when you guys get your truss in a knot, but could someone please lay it out who is for and against tito, friga, frito, or whatever, and their real name beside their MR name, ie. is tito John, and Friga Neal? Help me out here, as I laugh my ass off at these rants, but they'd be funnier if I was connecting all the dots. And what do you call Perry?

Tito=tito, an MR poster, Friga (aka Leonard)=Jonathan Cain. Perry is aka SMFP and/or Pelican....

Hope this helps.

[Jana]

It sounds like Neal is taking the blame for a few things that weren't his fault when he has enough mistakes
to take credit for

He didn't side with SP over Aynsley and Rolie - according to Herbie Herbert the entire band
made the decision to fire Aynsley because they were tired of having to book it in the middle of the night when
their drummer was about to get busted with underage girls in his room. He also said that Rolie left because
he had been on the road for years, wanted to focus on a family, and dealing with SP wasn't worth it. He chose to
leave and picked his own successor - if there had been a "it's him or me" ultimatum, Herbie would have said so,
because it would have been one more thing to blame Steve Perry for.

I do agree that Neal and Jon should have stood up for Steve Smith and Ross Valory - that shows a lack of loyalty and
I'm not sure how they ever justified that. But it would seem that Smith and Valory were willing to forgive and forget
and rejoined the band, so why is it that over 20 years later people who weren't even involved aren't able to?

As for the decision to regroup with Steve Perry over a Chalfant/Rolie lineup being about money over artistic
integrity - are you kidding? It is rather easy to question that decision in hindsight, but quite frankly Neal was the
one who bore the responsibility of that decision and had the most to lose from making the wrong one. The reality
is that whether anyone likes it or not, Steve Perry is the X-factor in the success of Journey. Rolie is a wonderful
talent, but his style of music did not put the band on the radio and he still favours that Santana
sound. And Chalfant would just have been a singer who sounded like Perry - why would you choose a soundalike
when you can have the singer who was an integral part of making the magic happen? I don't think it was just
about money - it was about Journey's success and contributing to its legacy. Steve Perry came back and for the
first time in its history Journey was nominated for a Grammy. It's easy to say that SP never intended to tour, but
only he can answer that. And according to Steve Smith, he really did have hip replacement surgery. Based on
what he knew at the time, I think Neal made the best decision. What has happened since then is another matter
all together!

I would like to hear what happened during that time from Steve Smith. He has reason to resent Perry, but came
back to Journey because of him and left in 98 because "Journey without Steve Perry didn't interest him". Since
he's no longer part of the band, I think he might have the most honest and objective perspective.

Excellent post. Very objective.

[annpea]

It sounds like Neal is taking the blame for a few things that weren't his fault when he has enough mistakes
to take credit for

He didn't side with SP over Aynsley and Rolie - according to Herbie Herbert the entire band
made the decision to fire Aynsley because they were tired of having to book it in the middle of the night when
their drummer was about to get busted with underage girls in his room. He also said that Rolie left because
he had been on the road for years, wanted to focus on a family, and dealing with SP wasn't worth it. He chose to
leave and picked his own successor - if there had been a "it's him or me" ultimatum, Herbie would have said so,
because it would have been one more thing to blame Steve Perry for.

I do agree that Neal and Jon should have stood up for Steve Smith and Ross Valory - that shows a lack of loyalty and
I'm not sure how they ever justified that. But it would seem that Smith and Valory were willing to forgive and forget
and rejoined the band, so why is it that over 20 years later people who weren't even involved aren't able to?

As for the decision to regroup with Steve Perry over a Chalfant/Rolie lineup being about money over artistic
integrity - are you kidding? It is rather easy to question that decision in hindsight, but quite frankly Neal was the
one who bore the responsibility of that decision and had the most to lose from making the wrong one. The reality
is that whether anyone likes it or not, Steve Perry is the X-factor in the success of Journey. Rolie is a wonderful
talent, but his style of music did not put the band on the radio and he still favours that Santana
sound. And Chalfant would just have been a singer who sounded like Perry - why would you choose a soundalike
when you can have the singer who was an integral part of making the magic happen? I don't think it was just
about money - it was about Journey's success and contributing to its legacy. Steve Perry came back and for the
first time in its history Journey was nominated for a Grammy. It's easy to say that SP never intended to tour, but
only he can answer that. And according to Steve Smith, he really did have hip replacement surgery. Based on
what he knew at the time, I think Neal made the best decision. What has happened since then is another matter
all together!

I would like to hear what happened during that time from Steve Smith. He has reason to resent Perry, but came
back to Journey because of him and left in 98 because "Journey without Steve Perry didn't interest him". Since
he's no longer part of the band, I think he might have the most honest and objective perspective.

I would tend to believe Steve Smith's version over all the others if he did open up and tell all; however, he probably never will. One thing I have noticed barring the surface shit, the guys really cover each others asses well.

[SherriBerry]

When VH1 did their 'Behind the Music' special on Journey, they interviewed all of these guys
and have hours with each on tape. While everyone but Herbie was under a legal agreement to
be cautious regarding anything said about Steve Perry, I would love to hear them recount their
memories with Journey. I won't say I would kill to get my hands on those interviews, but...

[Jana]

When VH1 did their 'Behind the Music' special on Journey, they interviewed all of these guys
and have hours with each on tape. While everyone but Herbie was under a legal agreement to
be cautious regarding anything said about Steve Perry, I would love to hear them recount their
memories with Journey. I won't say I would kill to get my hands on those interviews, but...

Neal said there's tons of tape from the VH1 that wasn't used, and has mentioned before they should use it and do a second VH1 on Journey. He at first didn't like how they edited it; felt it was in Steve's favor or something like that.

[Arkansas]

I think the ultimate reunion would include Rolie. A six-piece Journey, exactly for the reasons RD stated, would be the absolute best that Journey could ever offer. They could play all eras in all flavors...and name their price.


later~

[Jana]

I think the ultimate reunion would include Rolie. A six-piece Journey, exactly for the reasons RD stated, would be the absolute best that Journey could ever offer. They could play all eras in all flavors...and name their price.


later~

That would be so amazing. I had a dream . . . . . . .

[annpea]

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quote="Arkansas"]I think the ultimate reunion would include Rolie. A six-piece Journey, exactly for the reasons RD stated, would be the absolute best that Journey could ever offer. They could play all eras in all flavors...and name their price.


later~

[/quote]It, would be a blockbuster for sure.