OT: John Travolta's son passes away

[Blueskies]

The Travoltas are very public about their beliefs and have spoken out about certain issues. On one hand, they are being offered sympathy over common folk, solely becuase oftheir star status. On the other hand, their religon is something they wear on their sleeve, yet when we bring it up here,we're told leave it alone.
I know quite a bit about scientology and if they withheld this kids meds and had him taking bottles of vitamins everyday, which is very real possibility, I would hope they get their asses locked up. Religion and death go hand in hand. Ify ou start a thread on either subject, then we will voice our opinions of course as is the purpose of a messsage board in the first place.

You make some good points as well, but I for one disagree that I was giving sympathy solely due to star status...I would feel sympathitic towards the loss of a child regardless of who's child it was. Of course voicing opinions is the purpose of a message board so the operative word that you use is "if". The whole argument made against Scientology is well pointed but others are a just stating that in this instance there is no proof that the parents did not take the appropriate meassures in getting the best treatment they could with their sons condition. Saying that due to beliefs in their "religion" suggests they did not has a basis for argument but no ones knows if they followed their beliefs to the letter in their son's case and some don't agree with jumping to conclusions without any solid evidence to the contrary other then thinking it so...and some just feel that condolences are appropriate and can feel for the parents at this time until any evidence for further judgement arises...because if they did do everything they could for him and it was a tragic loss due to no fault of their own, then it would be wrong for others to compound their pain with false accusations. I make these points as a whole for anyone that the story would be told of not just these folks due to star status...but in this case due to that status then maybe the situation would not be fully looked into as it would be for regular folks so there is a point to be made there...but until further evidence comes out then I will without judgement and any condemnation.

[Uno_up]

I see, only people who think like you can post. I was trying to be nice and said I think you did not mean any harm. I have as much right to my oppinion as you do, but you use yours in a darker manner. I don't think you are insensitive to death, I just think you hate Scientology so much you wanted to make your thoughts known.

What would be wrong with making my thoughts on scientology known (why would you capitalize that word?). Don't I have a "right to my opinion as you do?"

I was just trying to get you to see this might not be the thread to do this.

Reread Gunbot's statement.

You came across as blaming the families religion for the death of the child.

What are you reading? Here's my quote NOTICE THE WORDS "MAY HAVE" and "MIGHT HAVE" NOWHERE do I directly blame anyone as a fact..."While it's a terrible situation (no parent should have to experience their child pass), you can't discount that the families beliefs may have contributed to his death; therefore, I do think there is certainly a problem here. This cult doesn't believe in treatment (meds) that might have prevented this from happening. It's tragic, sad & obscene!"

Just that this is not the time or place for your suspicions.

I'll defer to Voyager's statement here.

[artist4perry]

We need a death and religion forum, so when a thread like this pops up, we can throw down. Athiests, bible thumpers, cultists, no holds barred. No flowers or puppies or virgins allowed, just hardcore discussion on the meaning of life.

Fine, and I will respectfully avoid that thread.......... too cut throat for me! LOL! Look Gunbot, Un Op, and Voyager, I beleive you all have a right to your oppinions. I do not like Scientology either. But I think threads about a loss of life should be more respectful. You have your right to disagree. You guys are not bad guys and I am sorry if I came across like that was what I was saying. But I do think there should be threads where people can extend condolences without political or religious debate going on as well on the same thread. Now if You want to start a debate on Scientology be my guest! Regardless, I cannot stop you from doing what you want, it is a free board. I just wished you would start a new thread to respect this families loss. That is all.......... What you do is your choice. But I am also at liberty to say I wish we could have one thread where people's losses are respected.

[Jana]

We need a death and religion forum, so when a thread like this pops up, we can throw down. Athiests, bible thumpers, cultists, no holds barred. No flowers or puppies or virgins allowed, just hardcore discussion on the meaning of life.

You're the perfect person to start it. You have knowledge of Scientology and you're extrememly cynical . Begin with that. There will be a huge response and debate over Scientology, Christian religions, Judiasm, Fundamentalists, Buddhism, death, life, heaven, hell, reincarnation, on and on.

[artist4perry]

We need a death and religion forum, so when a thread like this pops up, we can throw down. Athiests, bible thumpers, cultists, no holds barred. No flowers or puppies or virgins allowed, just hardcore discussion on the meaning of life.

Sounds good, and I have no problem with that! I will just respectfully avoid that mess thank you very much! LOL! Look, Un op, Gunbot, and Voyager, I probably think the Scientology cult is a wacky as you do. I am just wondering is it so much to ask to let one thread be about paying respects for the loss of life? I think you are all probably great guys and I have no real beef with you, I just wish for once a thread about a child dying, that has no proof of any wrong doing, can just be about that? Guys say what you want................ But also remember I have the same rights to say what I feel.

[Jana]

We need a death and religion forum, so when a thread like this pops up, we can throw down. Athiests, bible thumpers, cultists, no holds barred. No flowers or puppies or virgins allowed, just hardcore discussion on the meaning of life.

That would be a great topic. I nominate you to start the thread. You have a lot of knowledge on Scientology. Or Uno can. I'm sure a lot of people have opinions on fundamentalists, Christianity, etc, life death, like you said.

[artist4perry]

We need a death and religion forum, so when a thread like this pops up, we can throw down. Athiests, bible thumpers, cultists, no holds barred. No flowers or puppies or virgins allowed, just hardcore discussion on the meaning of life.

No problem! And we need to be able to say condolences for a loss of a child without the political and religious factor coming up.........unless that is what contributes to the death of the child. Look Un op, I am sorry if I came off so strong. I don't think you are a bad person, I just was stating how much I wish we could just say it was a sad situation, no accusation, no insinuations, just respect for a loss of a child. As far as Scientology goes, I am no fan myself. But the thread was about the death of a child, unless I read it wrong. Should it not be about that? I am not trying to tell you what to write, I could not control that if I wanted to. But Un op because you and I disagree on this element, does not mean I am not entitled to the same rights to speak as you have. This also can come across as a request to do this elsewhere. But that is all it is..........a request, not an order.

[artist4perry]

We need a death and religion forum, so when a thread like this pops up, we can throw down. Athiests, bible thumpers, cultists, no holds barred. No flowers or puppies or virgins allowed, just hardcore discussion on the meaning of life.

Sounds good, go for it! Then it can be discussed without belittling a loss of life. I don't think anyone here meant to be disrespectful, or mean. I just think if it is a thread about loss, why can't it be that?

[artist4perry]

Sounds good Gunbot. Those who want to debate those things can have a free forum. I just wish for once a thread about the loss of life can be just that. No Un op, I cannot nor do I want to control what you can and cannot post. It was a request to discuss it elsewhere. You can do what you want, you don't have to honor any request.

[artist4perry]

Un Op, I am sorry if I came across too harsh. I just think we could discuss the whole Scientology thing elsewhere, that is all. I don't beleive you mean any disrespect to his family, and I don't mean any to you. I can only make a request, you can do what you want with such request.

[Rick]

What odds the Scientology Conspiracy theories start up about this?

good morning ari...
like 2-1 and beyond.
still at work here...

This is truly very sad. You can joke about the man's beliefs, but when anyone loses a child, there can possibly be nothing worse. Tragic.

I wasn't joking, and I think it sucks that it will in probability happen. Don't like the guy's choice of 'religion' but I can unfortunately see that people will use this child's death to further their anti-Scientology cause, which is both callous and unneccesary. Sorry if read as a joke - I haven't been awake very long.

Yes it was read as a joke. Does it matter what religion he is. His child passed away, very tragic. Your excuse for the comment is "I havem't been awake very long".

No, my excuse for poor wording is that I hadn't been awake very long when I made the initial post. I'm not particularly verbal first thing. In re-reading it, I could see that it was very open to misinterpretation, hence the second post clarifying my thoughts. I don't make jokes about any family's grief.

"Don't like the guy's choice of religion" " I haven't been awake very long" "I'm not particulary verbal first thing" Maybe you should not have commented at all.

Mabye you need to make a post that has some actual content and commentary, instead of just general negativity without any actual opinion or thought process. Engage the brain - it may make a refreshing change.

Maybe you should have not commented in the 1st place. A family lost there child, very tragic. Does it matter what religion he was. Have you lost anyone??? Please put yourself in there shoes. "Engage the brain" you should thought of that before commenting.

Fuck off, troll.

I think thats a miss call on this one, Rick. This poster has been around awhile and I haven't seen any real "troll" behavior....just someone that disagree's with some sometimes and gets emotional about some things on occasion..like maybe you did with this response?

If I'm wrong, I appologize. But I'm NEVER wrong. j/k

Well shoot..no ones ever wrong here are they. especially not after a few beerds. but you are usuallyright about much.

Starting on my first of quite a few beers.

[artist4perry]

Sorry about the tripple post.......it did not come up after three tries, and each time I wrote something different. This thing is screwy! Ignore the first three posts........I was going to edit them anyway!

[Jana]

Sorry about the tripple post.......it did not come up after three tries, and each time I wrote something different. This thing is screwy! Ignore the first three posts........I was going to edit them anyway!

It happened to me too. I rewrote a post and at the time neither went through. Now I came back and both were there. Freaky.

[Jana]

What odds the Scientology Conspiracy theories start up about this?

good morning ari...
like 2-1 and beyond.
still at work here...

This is truly very sad. You can joke about the man's beliefs, but when anyone loses a child, there can possibly be nothing worse. Tragic.

I wasn't joking, and I think it sucks that it will in probability happen. Don't like the guy's choice of 'religion' but I can unfortunately see that people will use this child's death to further their anti-Scientology cause, which is both callous and unneccesary. Sorry if read as a joke - I haven't been awake very long.

Yes it was read as a joke. Does it matter what religion he is. His child passed away, very tragic. Your excuse for the comment is "I havem't been awake very long".

No, my excuse for poor wording is that I hadn't been awake very long when I made the initial post. I'm not particularly verbal first thing. In re-reading it, I could see that it was very open to misinterpretation, hence the second post clarifying my thoughts. I don't make jokes about any family's grief.

"Don't like the guy's choice of religion" " I haven't been awake very long" "I'm not particulary verbal first thing" Maybe you should not have commented at all.

Mabye you need to make a post that has some actual content and commentary, instead of just general negativity without any actual opinion or thought process. Engage the brain - it may make a refreshing change.

Maybe you should have not commented in the 1st place. A family lost there child, very tragic. Does it matter what religion he was. Have you lost anyone??? Please put yourself in there shoes. "Engage the brain" you should thought of that before commenting.

Fuck off, troll.

I think thats a miss call on this one, Rick. This poster has been around awhile and I haven't seen any real "troll" behavior....just someone that disagree's with some sometimes and gets emotional about some things on occasion..like maybe you did with this response?

If I'm wrong, I appologize. But I'm NEVER wrong. j/k

Well shoot..no ones ever wrong here are they. especially not after a few beerds. but you are usuallyright about much.

Starting on my first of quite a few beers.

The way this thread is going, you might want to chase your beers with shots.

[artist4perry]

I tried to edit them out and it is not allowing that either.............Remember the y2k thing? Maybe the year 2009 is the year of the glitch!

[Rick]

What odds the Scientology Conspiracy theories start up about this?

good morning ari...
like 2-1 and beyond.
still at work here...

This is truly very sad. You can joke about the man's beliefs, but when anyone loses a child, there can possibly be nothing worse. Tragic.

I wasn't joking, and I think it sucks that it will in probability happen. Don't like the guy's choice of 'religion' but I can unfortunately see that people will use this child's death to further their anti-Scientology cause, which is both callous and unneccesary. Sorry if read as a joke - I haven't been awake very long.

Yes it was read as a joke. Does it matter what religion he is. His child passed away, very tragic. Your excuse for the comment is "I havem't been awake very long".

No, my excuse for poor wording is that I hadn't been awake very long when I made the initial post. I'm not particularly verbal first thing. In re-reading it, I could see that it was very open to misinterpretation, hence the second post clarifying my thoughts. I don't make jokes about any family's grief.

"Don't like the guy's choice of religion" " I haven't been awake very long" "I'm not particulary verbal first thing" Maybe you should not have commented at all.

Mabye you need to make a post that has some actual content and commentary, instead of just general negativity without any actual opinion or thought process. Engage the brain - it may make a refreshing change.

Maybe you should have not commented in the 1st place. A family lost there child, very tragic. Does it matter what religion he was. Have you lost anyone??? Please put yourself in there shoes. "Engage the brain" you should thought of that before commenting.

Fuck off, troll.

I think thats a miss call on this one, Rick. This poster has been around awhile and I haven't seen any real "troll" behavior....just someone that disagree's with some sometimes and gets emotional about some things on occasion..like maybe you did with this response?

If I'm wrong, I appologize. But I'm NEVER wrong. j/k

Well shoot..no ones ever wrong here are they. especially not after a few beerds. but you are usuallyright about much.

Starting on my first of quite a few beers.

The way this thread is going, you might want to chase your beers with shots.

Yeah, this whole thing needs to calm way down.

We need to focus on what's important here, and that's that the Travolta family lost a loved one, and a child at that. No religious belief or the contrary to such is even in the same ballpark of importance.

[artist4perry]

I agree with you Rick.

[Uno_up]

Look Un op, I am sorry if I came off so strong.

No problem here, perry4artist.

This also can come across as a request to do this elsewhere.

We'll see what happens. I'm done on this, unless someone else comes here chiming in. And for the record, I do feel for the loss of their child (I believe I expressed that at least twice). It wasn't my intent to light the fuse on anyone's tampon.

[artist4perry]

Look Un op, I am sorry if I came off so strong.

No problem here, perry4artist.

This also can come across as a request to do this elsewhere.

We'll see what happens. I'm done on this, unless someone else comes here chiming in. And for the record, I do feel for the loss of their child (I believe I expressed that at least twice). It wasn't my intent to light the fuse on anyone's tampon.

Sorry if I got my panties in a twist..........

[Blueskies]

Please ignore my last long post at the top of this page....it did'nt print exactly how I wrote it and won't let me edit so it doesn't make much sense.....I swear I'm sober and the debugging process done it!

[Ratgirl]

I didnt feel like reading through everyone's posts but this horribly sad and tragic.

My daughter suffers from seizures and it makes me realize how short life really is. My thoughts and prayers go out to their family.

[nutz4Neal]

How very sad. Can there be anything worse than loosing a child? My heart goes out to them. May they find peace.

[Blueskies]

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/family-lawyer ... s/17139?nc

[Michigan Girl]

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/family-lawyer-jett-travolta-may-have-died-in-fathers-arms/17139?nc

This is ripping my guts out!!!!

[Jana]

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/family-lawyer-jett-travolta-may-have-died-in-fathers-arms/17139?nc

I also saw another article where his lawyer stated Jett had been on anti-seizure medication for several years, Depakote, for grand mal seizures, and it stopped working. He used to have several seizures a week and they were reduced to every three weeks. Upon consulting with neurologists, they discontinued the medication after it was no longer effective.

[Uno_up]

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/family-lawyer-jett-travolta-may-have-died-in-fathers-arms/17139?nc

I also saw another article where his lawyer stated Jett had been on anti-seizure medication for several years, Depakote, for grand mal seizures, and it stopped working. He used to have several seizures a week and they were reduced to every three weeks. Upon consulting with neurologists, they discontinued the medication after it was no longer effective.

Sad topic...I'm sure the $cientology spin doctors (their PR people, lawyers [the one that put this release out] & doctors) have been scrambling. Consider some of the sources of information that come out.