Sa & JSS Revelation Material

[T-TIME]

Just curious to see how many of you think JSS or SA would have had as much success as Arnel if given the material off of Revelation.

[Vladan]

Well, I didn't know Revelation was successful

[T-TIME]

Well, I didn't know Revelation was successful

Ha Ha Ha. Comparing to the album sales when Steve A was in front. By the way what would be considerd successful for a band around for 30+ years?

[Vladan]

Well, I didn't know Revelation was successful

By the way what would be considerd successful for a band around for 30+ years?

Probably a few local tours at best, depending on the group. I understood what you were saying. To the original question.

Well, personally I don't think anyone fronting Journey could ever be as successful as if they had say, Steve Perry.

Arnel, JSS, Augeri - Equal Success, but in terms of classic Journey sound, we can't wrong with Arnel Pineda

[Don]

If we go by what AC DC and The Eagles have done with their last releases, multiplatinum would be the expected result. To answer the question that has been posed, I don't think JSS or Augeri would have had the same success because of three things that they wouldn't have going for them.

Youtube story
Poorboy story
Ethnic fanbase that is looking for a hero.

The next album will be missing the effect of the first two things mentioned. We will be abe to judge that work on its on merits. If it goes platinum off of of a one Disc package, I'll be impressed.

[livin2do]

Apart from a couple of places on Revelation, I thought the whole thing would've been tailor-made for Augeri's voice. Likewise, with Augeri's voice, I think they would have done almost as well with his voice as they did with Arnel. The band caught a bit of a bump with all the press surrounding the new singer and him being Filipino.

Had Journey cut the kind of deal they had with Wal Mart for Arrival, I certainly think that album would've outdone this one. The Revelation package sold more for the value than for the quality, IMO. It has a couple of good songs, whereas I think Arrival is a classic.

[T-TIME]

If we go by what AC DC and The Eagles have done with their last releases, multiplatinum would be the expected result. To answer the question that has been posed, I don't think JSS or Augeri would have had the same success because of three things that they wouldn't have going for them.

Youtube story
Poorboy story
Ethnic fanbase that is looking for a hero.

The next album will be missing the effect of the first two things mentioned. We will be abe to judge that work on its on merits. If it goes platinum off of of a one Disc package, I'll be impressed.

I don't think Journey ever reached the level of AC/DC or The Eagles. Maybe at one point in time '81-83 but not consistent. Good point about the next album.

[mikemarrs]

this is not in any way taking anything away from both of these guys because they are very talented but i don't think augeri or soto would've had the success arnel had with revelation and the reasons why are like a poster stated earlier....

Youtube story plus story of struggles plus the ethnic thing factored in and you have a lot of things there that sort of helped the album along plus it being displayed promptly in wal-marts from coast to coast also helped.

i think the next album will definitely have to stand on its own merits.

[Esc]

i think Revelation itself would have made a lot of success if the three singers had each song to sing on the album.
imagine JSS singing WITTW, WDILYL and Wildest Dream. wow!
Like A Sunshower could have been for SA.

The novelty behind Revelation made the sales.

[Don]

The next album is already handicapped. Without a second disc, it's already -500,000 behind Revelation without even being launched yet.

[WalrusOct9]

I think it would've been just as successful with JSS. The Wal-Mart thing pushed it to it's sales level, I doubt most of the buyers heard any of the new songs before purchasing since there was no radio play or videos or anything.

I doubt they'll be making CD's anymore by the time Journey would get around to another record, so it's not really worth discussing, although even if they did, my guess is the novelty would be off and it'd sell about the same as Generations.

[Change4Better]

is it just me or does T-Time (minus the sideburn) look like that fugitive pilot who tried to fake his own death?

[brywool]

Just curious to see how many of you think JSS or SA would have had as much success as Arnel if given the material off of Revelation.

Not a friggin' chance.

[YoungJRNY]

Just curious to see how many of you think JSS or SA would have had as much success as Arnel if given the material off of Revelation.

Wouldn't even be close. SA was at the helm for 3 albums, with only one getting little attention. JSS's take would of sounded more like a wannabe Journey 80's tribute take, or Soul SikUS.

Arnel has the sob story, the character, the national pull, and hands down, the voice. People can relate to him knowing his story while performing on stage and he's the typical miracle success.. or "
Only in America" (Rocky V) story. Arnel is what Journey was looking for the last decade and them finding the right one and then some will pay dividends for their closing.

[stevew2]

They would have with Steve if they released it early on while he still had a voice and did it thru Walmart with the fake figures they used to boaster sales of units sold

[Deb]

is it just me or does T-Time (minus the sideburn) look like that fugitive pilot who tried to fake his own death?

Nope, in his AV pic I think he looks a little like a ticked-off Rob Schneider.

[YoungJRNY]

They would have with Steve if they released it early on while he still had a voice and did it thru Walmart with the fake figures they used to boaster sales of units sold

Possibly. But I think Arnel's story and the simple fact he was a poor man from the Philippines with a god-like voice hitting a gig with one of Rock N Rolls most labeled bands of the 80's clearly brought in the attention of the critics outside of the Journey world. Even though I think SA would of put out a great performance of Revelation, Arnel hands down made the album the way it was.

[YoungJRNY]

is it just me or does T-Time (minus the sideburn) look like that fugitive pilot who tried to fake his own death?

Nope, in his AV pic I think he looks a little like a ticked-off Rob Schneider.

Stallone.

[Deb]

Just curious to see how many of you think JSS or SA would have had as much success as Arnel if given the material off of Revelation.

Wouldn't even be close. SA was at the helm for 3 albums, with only one getting little attention. JSS's take would of sounded more like a wannabe Journey 80's tribute take, or Soul SikUS.

Arnel has the sob story, the character, the national pull, and hands down, the voice. People can relate to him knowing his story while performing on stage and he's the typical miracle success.. or "
Only in America" (Rocky V) story. Arnel is what Journey was looking for the last decade and them finding the right one and then some will pay dividends for their closing.

Are you kidding, JSS' take probably sounded the "least" like a wannabe Journey 80s tribute take?!

[brywool]

Apart from a couple of places on Revelation, I thought the whole thing would've been tailor-made for Augeri's voice. Likewise, with Augeri's voice, I think they would have done almost as well with his voice as they did with Arnel. The band caught a bit of a bump with all the press surrounding the new singer and him being Filipino.

Had Journey cut the kind of deal they had with Wal Mart for Arrival, I certainly think that album would've outdone this one. The Revelation package sold more for the value than for the quality, IMO. It has a couple of good songs, whereas I think Arrival is a classic.

But Steve A wouldn't have been able to cut it live. He's GREAT in the studio, but live, the guy has problems. His live pitch is terrible. (I'm a huge SA fan, by the way) but live, he had a terrible time throughout most of his time with Journey.

[bluejeangirl76]

is it just me or does T-Time (minus the sideburn) look like that fugitive pilot who tried to fake his own death?

Nope, in his AV pic I think he looks a little like a ticked-off Rob Schneider.

Stallone.

I can see both. But T is still better looking than both, so I don't mean that in a bad way.

[bluejeangirl76]

Wouldn't even be close. SA was at the helm for 3 albums, with only one getting little attention. JSS's take would of sounded more like a wannabe Journey 80's tribute take, or Soul SikUS.

Are you kidding, JSS' take probably sounded the "least" like a wannabe Journey 80s tribute take?!

Agreed on that.

[Deb]

is it just me or does T-Time (minus the sideburn) look like that fugitive pilot who tried to fake his own death?

Nope, in his AV pic I think he looks a little like a ticked-off Rob Schneider.

Stallone.

I can see both. But T is still better looking than both, so I don't mean that in a bad way.

Ya, neither did I. I like Rob Schneider......even when he's making fun of Janet Jackson.

[Arkansas]

Perhaps the real question is who is/was more successful, the Sony label or WalMart. I think in the same package, but substituting Arrival for disc1, the sales would probably have been the same.

Remember, with WM, it's not the quality of the record or the strength of the writing, its the exposure to the volumes of middle class. And perhaps more pointedly, it's exposure to all the 40 & 50 somethings that once bought Journey at the real record stores and are now in WM just to save a few bucks on the family budget. We didn't go to WM to buy this album. We went there for milk, bread, motor oil, & dog food, and we just happened to see a new album while there...a 3 disc set priced @ 10 bucks, so we bought it. (If this thing was $19 at Peaches, or wherever, we wouldn't have bought it.)

It's not AP or SA. Hell, it's not even Schon. It's the Journey name in the #1 retail market that sold.


later~

[YoungJRNY]

Just curious to see how many of you think JSS or SA would have had as much success as Arnel if given the material off of Revelation.

Wouldn't even be close. SA was at the helm for 3 albums, with only one getting little attention. JSS's take would of sounded more like a wannabe Journey 80's tribute take, or Soul SikUS.

Arnel has the sob story, the character, the national pull, and hands down, the voice. People can relate to him knowing his story while performing on stage and he's the typical miracle success.. or "
Only in America" (Rocky V) story. Arnel is what Journey was looking for the last decade and them finding the right one and then some will pay dividends for their closing.

Are you kidding, JSS' take probably sounded the "least" like a wannabe Journey 80s tribute take?!

He doesn't have the voice in this hemisphere of what Journey sounds like. He's a wannabe, and would of been. People say that Arnel and Steve A are clones, but I see it as the Journey sound.. anything outside of that are wannabe's. That's how I feel with singer vs singer.

[stevew2]

Just curious to see how many of you think JSS or SA would have had as much success as Arnel if given the material off of Revelation.

Wouldn't even be close. SA was at the helm for 3 albums, with only one getting little attention. JSS's take would of sounded more like a wannabe Journey 80's tribute take, or Soul SikUS.

Arnel has the sob story, the character, the national pull, and hands down, the voice. People can relate to him knowing his story while performing on stage and he's the typical miracle success.. or "
Only in America" (Rocky V) story. Arnel is what Journey was looking for the last decade and them finding the right one and then some will pay dividends for their closing.

Are you kidding, JSS' take probably sounded the "least" like a wannabe Journey 80s tribute take?!

He doesn't have the voice in this hemisphere of what Journey sounds like. He's a wannabe, and would of been. People say that Arnel and Steve A are clones, but I see it as the Journey sound.. anything outside of that are wannabe's. That's how I feel with singer vs singer.

I didnt like how he sounded for Journey,but i dont think be is a wannabe.Journey got caught with their crooked thin penis in there hand when SA voice was ruined and he lipped and they got caught. Jeff was their only hope to keep the tour going at the time,and i think he did pretty good,he stepped in and did his job, cant ask for more than that. The way Journey misslead him and the fans was discusting as usual,what do you expect from them doodle bobblers

[Deb]

Just curious to see how many of you think JSS or SA would have had as much success as Arnel if given the material off of Revelation.

Wouldn't even be close. SA was at the helm for 3 albums, with only one getting little attention. JSS's take would of sounded more like a wannabe Journey 80's tribute take, or Soul SikUS.

Arnel has the sob story, the character, the national pull, and hands down, the voice. People can relate to him knowing his story while performing on stage and he's the typical miracle success.. or "
Only in America" (Rocky V) story. Arnel is what Journey was looking for the last decade and them finding the right one and then some will pay dividends for their closing.

Are you kidding, JSS' take probably sounded the "least" like a wannabe Journey 80s tribute take?!

He doesn't have the voice in this hemisphere of what Journey sounds like. He's a wannabe, and would of been. People say that Arnel and Steve A are clones, but I see it as the Journey sound.. anything outside of that are wannabe's. That's how I feel with singer vs singer.

Ok, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, I feel the exact opposite. I have a lot more respect for bands like Van Halen, Foreigner, Queen, etc. who didn't hire vocal clones of their original singers......nobody can replace the original voices and they didn't even try to......IMO there's a lot more room for musical growth that way. Nothing against Arnel, I think he is an amazing singer and from all accounts a super nice guy. If it's not Perry, I don't want a Perry sounding vocal.......to me that's where tribute/wannabe comes in. Probably why all 3 of my faves sound quite different, only thing they share is an emmense amount of soul/r&b delivery. And that's how I feel with singer vs. singer.

[YoungJRNY]

Just curious to see how many of you think JSS or SA would have had as much success as Arnel if given the material off of Revelation.

Wouldn't even be close. SA was at the helm for 3 albums, with only one getting little attention. JSS's take would of sounded more like a wannabe Journey 80's tribute take, or Soul SikUS.

Arnel has the sob story, the character, the national pull, and hands down, the voice. People can relate to him knowing his story while performing on stage and he's the typical miracle success.. or "
Only in America" (Rocky V) story. Arnel is what Journey was looking for the last decade and them finding the right one and then some will pay dividends for their closing.

Are you kidding, JSS' take probably sounded the "least" like a wannabe Journey 80s tribute take?!

He doesn't have the voice in this hemisphere of what Journey sounds like. He's a wannabe, and would of been. People say that Arnel and Steve A are clones, but I see it as the Journey sound.. anything outside of that are wannabe's. That's how I feel with singer vs singer.

I didnt like how he sounded for Journey,but i dont think be is a wannabe.Journey got caught with their crooked thin penis in there hand when SA voice was ruined and he lipped and they got caught. Jeff was their only hope to keep the tour going at the time,and i think he did pretty good,he stepped in and did his job, cant ask for more than that. The way Journey misslead him and the fans was discusting as usual,what do you expect from them doodle bobblers

I agree 110% on what you just posted. There's no denying JSS'S efforts and how he pretty much saved millions of dollars for them on the DL tour. (and pretty much saved Journey.) Obviously he's an amazing talent, or he wouldn't of even been approached in the first place. There's a reason he was dumped (in the worst way possible.. and we all know it was complete class-less bullshit) and he was dumped for the right reasons, musically speaking. I know it's beating a dead horse, but it worked out on both sides.

[YoungJRNY]

Just curious to see how many of you think JSS or SA would have had as much success as Arnel if given the material off of Revelation.

Wouldn't even be close. SA was at the helm for 3 albums, with only one getting little attention. JSS's take would of sounded more like a wannabe Journey 80's tribute take, or Soul SikUS.

Arnel has the sob story, the character, the national pull, and hands down, the voice. People can relate to him knowing his story while performing on stage and he's the typical miracle success.. or "
Only in America" (Rocky V) story. Arnel is what Journey was looking for the last decade and them finding the right one and then some will pay dividends for their closing.

Are you kidding, JSS' take probably sounded the "least" like a wannabe Journey 80s tribute take?!

He doesn't have the voice in this hemisphere of what Journey sounds like. He's a wannabe, and would of been. People say that Arnel and Steve A are clones, but I see it as the Journey sound.. anything outside of that are wannabe's. That's how I feel with singer vs singer.

Ok, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, I feel the exact opposite. I have a lot more respect for bands like Van Halen, Foreigner, Queen, etc. who didn't hire vocal clones of their original singers......nobody can replace the original voices and they didn't even try to......IMO there's a lot more room for musical growth that way. Nothing against Arnel, I think he is an amazing singer and from all accounts a super nice guy. If it's not Perry, I don't want a Perry sounding vocal.......to me that's where tribute/wannabe comes in. Probably why all 3 of my faves sound quite different, only thing they share is an emmense amount of soul/r&b delivery. And that's how I feel with singer vs. singer.

I can live to agree to disagree. I'm not wrong nor right. Just saying how I feel. I know your history and how you feel about JSS (and I admire that) and I don't want you to think I'm walking on your toes over it.. just stating my opinion. ( It's kind of like a marry go-round with this topic anyway. )

[Don]

Well the proof is always in the pudding when it comes to the sophomore effort. Those who proclaimed Revelation as a true platinum release set the bar, now the next effort, which will be written exclusively for the new vocalist, needs to surpass that to be considered a success. Like I said before, if it does that with a conventional release (no 2nd fodder disc), you can color me impressed.