Heart Kicked Journey's A**

[Melissa]

Heart is the Wilson sisters! Journey is not Pineda. Case Closed.

Not sure what your point is, but the statement is correct. Journey is Pineda, Cain, Schon, Valory & Castronovo. Every member is critical. That's what a band is. Ann & Nancy could pitch the rest of the band and replace them with others and nobody would care.

Hmmmm....In the 70s - when they were both fucking every guy in the band - it mattered.

In the 70's they were both hot as a firecracker too.

One of them still is!!!

Nancy is hotter than hell! I know Travis would agree with us too

[stevew2]

I liked both bands,Heart was great and Nancy gave me a boner. Of course friga did away with that. Heart having the orginal singers really made it cool. I like like journeys music alot more and Arnel did a great job and was really personalble also. i wont compare,i enjoyed them both. The price of tickets kicked my ass. Didnt even catch Cheap Trick.i walked in when leonard was playin with them while i was buying a big can of $10.00 beer.i thought it would be better to take a piss,and see heart than to see flamer playing with a band that i wasnt crazy about

[Aaron]

Dude,

Check yourself in. I was at Indy with the best seats in the house, front row center. Heart was not even in the ball park of Journey. Cheap Trick kicked Heart's ass and were the opening act. Did you even go to a show or did you watch clips on Youtube.

Weeping Jesus on a cross!

Aaron

[Michigan Girl]

Dude,

Check yourself in. I was at Indy with the best seats in the house, front row center. Heart was not even in the ball park of Journey. Cheap Trick kicked Heart's ass and were the opening act. Did you even go to a shoe or did you watch clips on Youtube.

Weeping Jesus on a cross!

Aaron

Not at the show I attended, SJ summed it up perfectly...
I know, God help me...

[Aaron]

SJ was playing the politics to play to the entire field as usual.

I wasn't impressed with Heart at Indy. I must say that I'm not a big chick singer fan at all, and that coupled with the fact that they were bagging on my guy at the time (McCain), I really wasn't impressed. I may have a bit of a biased view but they just weren't that good.

Dude,

Check yourself in. I was at Indy with the best seats in the house, front row center. Heart was not even in the ball park of Journey. Cheap Trick kicked Heart's ass and were the opening act. Did you even go to a shoe or did you watch clips on Youtube.

Weeping Jesus on a cross!

Aaron

Not at the show I attended, SJ summed it up perfectly...
I know, God help me...

[Moose]

Hey LD, relax. The OP is just trying to ruffle feathers, and that's cool, but...my argument was that he said Heart is a better band than Journey. As much hatred as I have for team Journey, at least I am honest. Journey are not some bar band playing Steppenwolf again and again. They are talented, albeit douchebags, all of them, but they play Heart inside and out and drop kick their asses off the Golden Gate bridge for laughs. As for Arnel v Ann Wilson? That's just stupid to bring up. One guy is a humble respecting rookie and the other is an obese operatic voice goddess singer. Both are extremely talented. I wasn't even going there, as the OP wants to bait. Well, I am off today so I will gladly take the bait; take the bait and shove it right back up his ass.

You are a pure slime ball

[stevew2]

Hey LD, relax. The OP is just trying to ruffle feathers, and that's cool, but...my argument was that he said Heart is a better band than Journey. As much hatred as I have for team Journey, at least I am honest. Journey are not some bar band playing Steppenwolf again and again. They are talented, albeit douchebags, all of them, but they play Heart inside and out and drop kick their asses off the Golden Gate bridge for laughs. As for Arnel v Ann Wilson? That's just stupid to bring up. One guy is a humble respecting rookie and the other is an obese operatic voice goddess singer. Both are extremely talented. I wasn't even going there, as the OP wants to bait. Well, I am off today so I will gladly take the bait; take the bait and shove it right back up his ass.

You are a pure slime ball

what a belly shot on you Aviatar

[Vladan]

I love the band Heart, but better than the current Journey Lineup? with Arnel tearing it up on vocals? not a chance, not even close! this thread needs to go, because it's so bad!

You don't come into a Journey forum, and say Heart did a better job, what's next? Dokken, Krokus, and Winger kicking Journey's ass?

[Voyager]

I was kind of hoping this thread was going to be about Heart literally kicking Journey's ass.
That'd be sweet... no offense to Jboys, but that'd be cooler than shit to see.

I agree... how about jello wrestling... I can picture Nancy Wilson getting Neal Schon in a full nelson and telling him to cry barracuda... LOL!

[stevew2]

I was kind of hoping this thread was going to be about Heart literally kicking Journey's ass.
That'd be sweet... no offense to Jboys, but that'd be cooler than shit to see.

I agree... how about jello wrestling... I can picture Nancy Wilson getting Neal Schon in a full nelson and telling him to cry barracuda... LOL!

then friga would be right there doing a rear entry

[Voyager]

I was kind of hoping this thread was going to be about Heart literally kicking Journey's ass.
That'd be sweet... no offense to Jboys, but that'd be cooler than shit to see.

I agree... how about jello wrestling... I can picture Nancy Wilson getting Neal Schon in a full nelson and telling him to cry barracuda... LOL!

then friga would be right there doing a rear entry

If he misses Fro and gets Ann you will hear her belt out "barracuda" like never before.

[stevew2]

I was kind of hoping this thread was going to be about Heart literally kicking Journey's ass.
That'd be sweet... no offense to Jboys, but that'd be cooler than shit to see.

I agree... how about jello wrestling... I can picture Nancy Wilson getting Neal Schon in a full nelson and telling him to cry barracuda... LOL!

then friga would be right there doing a rear entry

If he misses Fro and gets Ann you will hear her belt out "barracuda" like never before.

Or he will do a babys song.i got a DVD called The Midnight Special and it has 'the babys doing "Everytime i think of you .and journey doing Lovin toucin all on the same DVD dated 1979, right before they hired the fag. the whole thing was lipped, how fititng

[Liquid_Drummer]

Hey LD, relax. The OP is just trying to ruffle feathers, and that's cool, but...my argument was that he said Heart is a better band than Journey. As much hatred as I have for team Journey, at least I am honest. Journey are not some bar band playing Steppenwolf again and again. They are talented, albeit douchebags, all of them, but they play Heart inside and out and drop kick their asses off the Golden Gate bridge for laughs. As for Arnel v Ann Wilson? That's just stupid to bring up. One guy is a humble respecting rookie and the other is an obese operatic voice goddess singer. Both are extremely talented. I wasn't even going there, as the OP wants to bait. Well, I am off today so I will gladly take the bait; take the bait and shove it right back up his ass.

So delicate you are with your point as expected hehe.. Let him have it then and I will sit back and laugh as I know it will be a nice laugh..

[Eric]

Objectively, one has to admit that Heart kicked Journey's A** last summer. They were clearly the better band and created the biggest buzz of the evening. Ann Wilson showed Arnel what a real singer sounds like. One has to think Journey was even suprised they had to follow that act. Don't get me wrong Journey was good, but not in the same league as Heart.

Great trio of bands (Cheap Trick, Heart and Journey) will be tough to equal this summer.

Lets put it this way...Heart plays in front of small crowds without Journey...Journey will play in front of large crowds without Heart.

HHmmm.....I don't agree with that at all.

I saw Heart alone in Big Flat NY and there were maybe 2K there....saw Journey alone at SPAC same year and there were 14K

[journeypower]

Heart is the Wilson sisters! Journey is not Pineda. Case Closed.

Now I see your logic why you say that Heart is the better band. it's simply because you don't like Pineda. nice comparison. you just made it too obvious. your personal prejudice supersedes objectivity. case closed.

*next time, please come up with a topic that has a real worth.

[Don]

Heart is the Wilson sisters! Journey is not Pineda. Case Closed.

Now I see your logic why you say that Heart is the better band. it's simply because you don't like Pineda. nice comparison. you just made it too obvious. your personal prejudice supersedes objectivity. case closed.

*next time, please come up with a topic that has a real worth.

Maybe bias is a better word. Prejudice can be interpreted many ways and we shouldn't presume anyone is anything based from what they post.
Many people here seem to despise Neal so much, it wouldn't matter who the singer is.
I actually soured on AP a bit because of the constant banter from his fans that if you didn't accept him as Journey's singer, you were either racist or a bigot. It's such a cop out and shows the issue to be more of an inferiority complex being displayed by the accuser, not to mention a complete disservice to Arnel.

[roycap]

Now I see your logic why you say that Heart is the better band. it's simply because you don't like Pineda. nice comparison. you just made it too obvious. your personal prejudice supersedes objectivity. case closed.

*next time, please come up with a topic that has a real worth.

I am actually more of a Journey fan. However, I am tiring of the lead singer changes.

[Rockindeano]

Heart is the Wilson sisters! Journey is not Pineda. Case Closed.

Now I see your logic why you say that Heart is the better band. it's simply because you don't like Pineda. nice comparison. you just made it too obvious. your personal prejudice supersedes objectivity. case closed.

*next time, please come up with a topic that has a real worth.

It took you 3 pages and 2 days to figure out what I did in 18 seconds. This guy is a scumbag, all because Arnel Pineda doesn't wear red white and blue.

This argument is so tired and frankly, those of you who use it, and you know who you are continuously I might add- it doesn't make you look good.

[Rip Rokken]

This is a trollish thread, but I have to admit that after the first show I went to, I ended up looking forward to and enjoying Heart just as much as Journey. It was a hell of a show.

Some people also need to understand that it's ok to like Arnel on his own merits without trying to compare him to past singers. No one can deny that he completely stepped up to the plate last year and brought it night after night, and under very tough circumstances including being sick most of the tour. Show me another singer who could have done the same without packing it up and heading home.

[epresley]

This is a trollish thread, but I have to admit that after the first show I went to, I ended up looking forward to and enjoying Heart just as much as Journey. It was a hell of a show.

Some people also need to understand that it's ok to like Arnel on his own merits without trying to compare him to past singers. No one can deny that he completely stepped up to the plate last year and brought it night after night, and under very tough circumstances including being sick most of the tour. Show me another singer who could have done the same without packing it up and heading home.

Here here!

[Don]

This is a trollish thread, but I have to admit that after the first show I went to, I ended up looking forward to and enjoying Heart just as much as Journey. It was a hell of a show.

Some people also need to understand that it's ok to like Arnel on his own merits without trying to compare him to past singers. No one can deny that he completely stepped up to the plate last year and brought it night after night, and under very tough circumstances including being sick most of the tour. Show me another singer who could have done the same without packing it up and heading home.

I blame the re-records for a lot of this. If they could have reworked them to sound a little differently maybe it wouldn't have been so bad. You took a guy who sings cover songs and had him do covers for you of your most popular vocalist and you had the guy sing it exactly like the former singer sang it. I know the deal with Walmart and I get it that they had to do it, but it still sucked. Did Queen have to do it with Paul Rodgers, is Foreigner going to do it with Kelly Hansen, did Genesis do it with Ray Wilson. The re-records are what started the whole comparing singer comparison fiasco, and you couldn't even opt out of getting the disc as it was included in the damn package whether you wanted it or not. Looking at the tale of the tape though, Sony sold more Journey records this year than NOMOTA did. That pretty much tells you who the people want to hear singing the classics.
Memo to Journey - Try for a little originality with the new guy on the next album, and don't let your distributor shoehorn you into doing more re-treads. People ain't going to forget Perry and IF given the choice, will buy the original version of classic tracks over re-records everytime.

[Gideon]

Well, I'm willing to take all the ridicule and discord this forum has to offer, but I'll offer my unsolicited two cents. Arnel Pineda wasn't behind the deal to rerecord the Journey classics; any hostile feelings that somehow manifest themselves in his direction are completely unfounded. In fact, I'll be quite honest, I truthfully don't see the merit in being angry about the second disk at all. Here's why:

They're not Perry's songs. They're Journey's.

Journey is bigger than Steve Perry and, you've all said it yourself, no one is really gonna listen to the rerecordings because they respect Perry's vocal contributions to the classics. Most of the rerecordings sucked, in my opinion, though there were a couple of gems (I prefer Arnel's version of "Open Arms" to Perry's by miles and miles). No reason to get upset. Those songs belong to Journey, not Perry, and the simple solution is to simply not play the second disk. It's what I do.

[Don]

Well, I'm willing to take all the ridicule and discord this forum has to offer, but I'll offer my unsolicited two cents. Arnel Pineda wasn't behind the deal to rerecord the Journey classics; any hostile feelings that somehow manifest themselves in his direction are completely unfounded. In fact, I'll be quite honest, I truthfully don't see the merit in being angry about the second disk at all. Here's why:

They're not Perry's songs. They're Journey's.

Journey is bigger than Steve Perry and, you've all said it yourself, no one is really gonna listen to the rerecordings because they respect Perry's vocal contributions to the classics. Most of the rerecordings sucked, in my opinion, though there were a couple of gems (I prefer Arnel's version of "Open Arms" to Perry's by miles and miles). No reason to get upset. Those songs belong to Journey, not Perry, and the simple solution is to simply not play the second disk. It's what I do.

No one blames Arnel for the re-records but to say don't compare singers in one breath and then include a disc of the the new guy resinging the hits in non-live environment sounds like an invitation from the band to do just that. It's like "Hey we got a guy who sounds just like Perry, hear that on disc two? It's like Steve never left".
And then to have FITH and both bonus tracks be S.A. retreads? You can't tell me WalMart made them do that. We can argue about Faith but come on, the bonus tracks?

[roycap]

journeypower wrote:
roycap wrote:
Heart is the Wilson sisters! Journey is not Pineda. Case Closed.


Now I see your logic why you say that Heart is the better band. it's simply because you don't like Pineda. nice comparison. you just made it too obvious. your personal prejudice supersedes objectivity. case closed.

*next time, please come up with a topic that has a real worth.


It took you 3 pages and 2 days to figure out what I did in 18 seconds. This guy is a scumbag, all because Arnel Pineda doesn't wear red white and blue.

This argument is so tired and frankly, those of you who use it, and you know who you are continuously I might add- it doesn't make you look good.

It has nothing to do with Red, White and Blue. Arnel is a great singer and seems like a good guy. However, as a huge Journey fan I am tired of the lead singer changes. Heart put on the better show. One mans opinion. Journey will always have an audience, but they are not as good as they were. I know many folks who walked out of last years show saying that they have had enough. They had better pick a big draw to tour with in 2009.

[Gideon]

Again, I completely disagree.

To me, it was never a statement of "Hey, it's like Perry never left!" it is -- as Ross concluded in the interview with CBS -- they they finally have a singer who can honor the Great Man's voice. And even if you're inclined to take it as a gigantic slap in the face to Perry, you must understand two things: First, that those songs are property of Journey, not Steve Perry; and second, no one really cares about the rerecorded songs. You said it yourself: everyone has the classics, why bother with retreads?

And as for FitH, I think the rerecorded version sucked. It drained all the balls out of the song. See the thread on that for more details.

[Don]

Again, I completely disagree.

To me, it was never a statement of "Hey, it's like Perry never left!" it is -- as Ross concluded in the interview with CBS -- they they finally have a singer who can honor the Great Man's voice. And even if you're inclined to take it as a gigantic slap in the face to Perry, you must understand two things: First, that those songs are property of Journey, not Steve Perry; and second, no one really cares about the rerecorded songs. You said it yourself: everyone has the classics, why bother with retreads?

And as for FitH, I think the rerecorded version sucked. It drained all the balls out of the song. See the thread on that for more details.

I actually agree with almost everything you said with the exception that AP's home grown fans do care about the retreads and think they're the best thing since sliced bread, while the majority of long time Journey fans recognize disc two for what it is, a poor man's Beer coaster.

[Onestepper]

Again, I completely disagree.

To me, it was never a statement of "Hey, it's like Perry never left!" it is -- as Ross concluded in the interview with CBS -- they they finally have a singer who can honor the Great Man's voice. And even if you're inclined to take it as a gigantic slap in the face to Perry, you must understand two things: First, that those songs are property of Journey, not Steve Perry; and second, no one really cares about the rerecorded songs. You said it yourself: everyone has the classics, why bother with retreads?

And as for FitH, I think the rerecorded version sucked. It drained all the balls out of the song. See the thread on that for more details.

I actually agree with almost everything you said with the exception that AP's home grown fans do care about the retreads and think they're the best thing since sliced bread, while the majority of long time Journey fans recognize disc two for what it is, a poor man's Beer coaster.

Actually my nephew needed a science experiment. So I gave him an old microwave of ours and told him 'here put this disc in, shut the door, and turn it on high'. Now that's an explosive disc #2

[Gideon]

Oh, I can agree with that. It may seem like I have some sort of tendancy to dismiss Perry, but I really don't feel that way. I just think I'm putting it into perspective: he was a truly luminous singer, in the words of Brian May. But I tend to side more with SJ when it comes to the man's personality and the tremendous wrongs that he has inflicted on Journey (firing Ross and Steve Smith, firing Herbie, not touring for TBF, ect.) that most of his fans tend to ignore.

Suffice it to say that I concur that there are a faction of AP fans who like to distort his perception into something bigger than what he is, but there are SP fans who do exactly the same.

And they've been doing it for years.

[Don]

Oh, I can agree with that. It may seem like I have some sort of tendancy to dismiss Perry, but I really don't feel that way. I just think I'm putting it into perspective: he was a truly luminous singer, in the words of Brian May. But I tend to side more with SJ when it comes to the man's personality and the tremendous wrongs that he has inflicted on Journey (firing Ross and Steve Smith, firing Herbie, not touring for TBF, ect.) that most of his fans tend to ignore.

Suffice it to say that I concur that there are a faction of AP fans who like to distort his perception into something bigger than what he is, but there are SP fans who do exactly the same.

And they've been doing it for years.

Well, that line up of Journey does have the sales number in its favor. SP by himself though, not so much.

[Gideon]

Oh, I can agree with that. It may seem like I have some sort of tendancy to dismiss Perry, but I really don't feel that way. I just think I'm putting it into perspective: he was a truly luminous singer, in the words of Brian May. But I tend to side more with SJ when it comes to the man's personality and the tremendous wrongs that he has inflicted on Journey (firing Ross and Steve Smith, firing Herbie, not touring for TBF, ect.) that most of his fans tend to ignore.

Suffice it to say that I concur that there are a faction of AP fans who like to distort his perception into something bigger than what he is, but there are SP fans who do exactly the same.

And they've been doing it for years.

Well, that line up of Journey does have the sales number in its favor. SP by himself though, not so much.

That's where I differ from SJ. Sales aren't an accurate indicator of talent or quality, though I do not dispute that Steve Perry (in his prime) was the superior vocalist. I mean, after all, if sales are the singular criterion, JSS is a complete and utter joke.

In terms of musicianship, I think Journey has improved dramatically. I think the boys play better than ever. While I recognize that Steve Smith is regarded by most to be a greater drummer than Deen Castronovo, for example, I prefer Castronovo's take on songs. Anyone who listens to the live version of "Chained Reaction" and compares it to Smith's studio version simply cannot deny that Castronovo's drumming is much, much more impressive. Smith's talent was largely subdued in Journey, taking a backseat to Neal and Perry.

Trial By Fire is my favorite Journey album by far.