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OT: Classical music for inauguration was taped, not live.

Postby Rick » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:50 am

Deano will love this, especially the last two sentences. ;)

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http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news ... usic_N.htm

By Michele Salcedo, Associated Press

WASHINGTON — To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, here we go again.

The revelation that millions of people who saw the inauguration of President Barack Obama were actually listening to recorded music instead of the actual performance of the Yo-Yo Ma and Itzhak Perlman-led quartet has led to comparisons of lip-synching (though, in this case, might the correct term be hand-synching?) and drawn comparisons to other infamous cases, including Ashlee Simpson's Saturday Night Live debacle and perhaps music's most famous pantomimes, Milli Vanilli.

But Carole Florman, a spokeswoman for the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies, says she doesn't understand what the fuss is all about.

"I think this is a whole lot of nothin'," she said on Friday. "These are world-class performers who are playing in 19 degree weather and the technical requirements of their instruments made it impossible for them to have their music amplified and know that it would be in tune. So they made, what I think, was probably a difficult decision to play to tape."

A representative for Perlman echoed her comments Friday with the following statement: "Mr. Perlman was deeply honored to be a part of the inauguration ceremony. The brutal cold created the distinct possibility of broken or out of tune instruments and, in order to avoid a weather related issue detracting from the majesty of the day, a decision was reached to play along to the recording that the quartet had made earlier in the week."

Cellist Ma, violinist Perlman, pianist Gabriela Montero and Metropolitan Opera clarinet player Anthony McGill performed Air and Simple Gifts, a piece arranged by Oscar-winning composer John Williams. Montero was wearing gloves, but the rest of the quartet played their instruments barehanded in the frigid 28-degree weather.

Florman said they were indeed playing their instruments and not miming their moves. But those who saw the event did not hear that, but the recorded track.

Don Mischer of Don Mischer Productions, which produced the pre-Inauguration We Are One concert, the last few Super Bowl halftime performances as well as two Olympics, says some kind of recorded music is often used at major events, especially when there are poor weather conditions.

"The main thing is that you want the music to sound good, and there are some conditions in which the music will not sound good," he said.

Florman said everyone performing at the inauguration, from Aretha Franklin to the U.S. Marine Band, recorded a version of their performance as a precautionary measure, typical for such events. But Franklin sang My Country, 'Tis of Thee live, and the band also performed live.

Florman said when Obama made his request for the quartet, because of the delicacy of the instruments and the size of the grand piano, there was some consideration given to having the quartet play at the Capitol and have their performance beamed to the world.

"Everyone agreed that they needed to perform someplace so (Obama) could actually watch the performance," she said. "But obviously the drawback is that they're out in the elements."

Kent Webb, manager of technical services and support for the famous Steinway & Sons piano maker, said its instruments are extremely sensitive to changes in temperature and the extreme cold would not only have made the instrument out of tune, but would have made the keys susceptible to sticking.

"The playability and the amount of finesse that one can extract from a performance are very compromised," Kent said.

The idea that the quartet's music was not heard live may be heresy to some in classical music — the late Luciano Pavarotti caused a stir when it was discovered he lip-synched on one occasion. But while it may not be as widely publicized as when a pop star lip-synchs, it does happen, says Mischer (though he added the hope is to "always go live.")

He produced the opening ceremonies at the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta, in which the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra performed. He said the ensemble did so to recorded music.

"There was no way that we could in fact mike the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and make them sound good on a show that was going to be seen by 80% of the planet," he said.

He also recalled his production of the opening ceremonies at the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, which featured Ma in a performance with Sting. While Sting's vocals were live, what viewers heard was a recorded performance by the cellist.

"Yo-Yo has got a Stradivarius cello that's worth ... $2 million or $3 million," he said. "We had snow falling that night, we had 17 degree temperature, we had the wind blowing as high as 20 mph, and that's a very very risky environment in which to play an instrument like that and expect it to sound good. And it's not like someone else played the music, Yo-Yo played the music."

Mischer said during the torrential downpour during Prince's 2007 Super Bowl performance, the rocker sang live and even played his wireless guitars live, but the percussion was piped in because of the rain.

But even in good conditions, getting good sound in an open-air stadium, or sometimes even a domed arena, is difficult.

Some artists choose to lip-synch — Whitney Houston's memorable performance of the national anthem in 1991 at the Super Bowl was sung to a track. "There are artists who absolutely want to go with prerecorded tracks because they worked hard to create a sound, and they want it to sound good," said Mischer.

But for this year's Super Bowl, which features Bruce Springsteen as the halftime performer, don't expect any lip-synching from the Boss.

"Bruce Springsteen is going to go 100% live," he said. "That's the way Bruce wants it."
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Re: OT: Classical music for inauguration was taped, not live

Postby Don » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:56 am

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Some artists choose to lip-synch — Whitney Houston's memorable performance of the national anthem in 1991 at the Super Bowl was sung to a track. "





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Re: OT: Classical music for inauguration was taped, not live

Postby finalfight » Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:58 am

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Some artists choose to lip-synch — Whitney Houston's memorable performance of the national anthem in 1991 at the Super Bowl was sung to a track. "





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Re: OT: Classical music for inauguration was taped, not live

Postby finalfight » Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:59 am

Rick wrote:"Bruce Springsteen is going to go 100% live," he said. "That's the way Bruce wants it."


Bruce sounds better live.
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Postby Melissa » Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:39 pm

I saw that on the news this a.m. :shock: :lol: They blamed the weather, saying the instruments couldn't keep their tuning at the cold temps., stating things like pianos lose their tuning under 55 degrees, and it was pretty stinkin' cold there, lol.
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:45 pm

That is a lame excuse, here the chello player was smiling and playing his heart out and were hearing a fuckin tape, kinda reminds of Journey.That is fucked up,lipping is everywhere. i play my shit live every weekend. Fuck band s and anyone that plays using tapes and are pretending to play live. Its like being musically raped. bastards
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Postby Jubilee » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:31 am

stevew2 wrote:That is a lame excuse, here the chello player was smiling and playing his heart out and were hearing a fuckin tape, kinda reminds of Journey.That is fucked up,lipping is everywhere. i play my shit live every weekend. Fuck band s and anyone that plays using tapes and are pretending to play live. Its like being musically raped. bastards



I don't think it's a lame excuse. As a matter of fact I'm inclined to give the artists a pass on this one. In this particular instance the performances were about the event, not the artists themselves. This was a very special occasion where they were being asked to perform at their best under less than optimal conditions. In fact under conditions that most never have, and frankly, never would agree to under any other circumstances. No vocalist wants to go on stage, even after properly warming up, only to get hit in the face with 20 decree weather and blustery windy conditions. That's not good for the vocal chords, and it's just a recipe for dissaster. Do you really want that on your resume??

As far as the other musicians go, well, we should have known something was up when we saw some of them wearing gloves. I don't know too much about violins and such, but it looks like something that might require more dexterity than gloves generally allow. You've got to give it up to ol' Yo Yo Ma, though. He was out there sawing away on that old cello like there was no tomorrow. He was really selling it.
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Postby stevew2 » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:00 am

That bullshit about the keys sticking is a fuckin lie. Piano keys would only stick if was really humid, cold dry air would not make the wood sweel if fact it problablly would play bet. They could havee used an electric piano and tune the string instrument outside side right before the performance. I ve seen it done my time. No class fakers I feel retarded for even watchin them retards fuck them
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Postby Jubilee » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:13 am

stevew2 wrote:That bullshit about the keys sticking is a fuckin lie. Piano keys would only stick if was really humid, cold dry air would not make the wood sweel if fact it problablly would play bet. They could havee used an electric piano and tune the string instrument outside side right before the performance. I ve seen it done my time. No class fakers I feel retarded for even watchin them retards fuck them




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Postby stevew2 » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:19 am

Jubilee wrote:
stevew2 wrote:That bullshit about the keys sticking is a fuckin lie. Piano keys would only stick if was really humid, cold dry air would not make the wood sweel if fact it problablly would play bet. They could havee used an electric piano and tune the string instrument outside side right before the performance. I ve seen it done my time. No class fakers I feel retarded for even watchin them retards fuck them




Dude, take it easy. That's SHOW business...
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Postby Melissa » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:31 am

stevew2 wrote:That bullshit about the keys sticking is a fuckin lie. Piano keys would only stick if was really humid, cold dry air would not make the wood sweel if fact it problablly would play bet. They could havee used an electric piano and tune the string instrument outside side right before the performance. I ve seen it done my time. No class fakers I feel retarded for even watchin them retards fuck them


The report I saw didn't say anything about keys sticking or anything like that, it was about the instruments not being able to stay in tune in air that cold.
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Postby stevew2 » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:38 am

this is whats on the fist post of this thread : Kent Webb, manager of technical services and support for the famous Steinway & Sons piano maker, said its instruments are extremely sensitive to changes in temperature and the extreme cold would not only have made the instrument out of tune, but would have made the keys susceptible to sticking.
bullshit tune the piano outside right before the think stared or use a electric one
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Postby Melissa » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:12 am

stevew2 wrote:this is whats on the fist post of this thread : Kent Webb, manager of technical services and support for the famous Steinway & Sons piano maker, said its instruments are extremely sensitive to changes in temperature and the extreme cold would not only have made the instrument out of tune, but would have made the keys susceptible to sticking.
bullshit tune the piano outside right before the think stared or use a electric one


What would tuning have to do with the keys sticking though? Just curious. I don't know a thing about fancy pianos, mine is just an old Kimball, but if the keys do expand in cold, if they do that, I could see where that would make them stick. That's all I heard about was the tuning though.
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Postby Rick » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:23 am

Melissa wrote:
stevew2 wrote:this is whats on the fist post of this thread : Kent Webb, manager of technical services and support for the famous Steinway & Sons piano maker, said its instruments are extremely sensitive to changes in temperature and the extreme cold would not only have made the instrument out of tune, but would have made the keys susceptible to sticking.
bullshit tune the piano outside right before the think stared or use a electric one


What would tuning have to do with the keys sticking though? Just curious. I don't know a thing about fancy pianos, mine is just an old Kimball, but if the keys do expand in cold, if they do that, I could see where that would make them stick. That's all I heard about was the tuning though.


In Chemistry, the only thing that expands in cold is a liquid. Are those liquid filled keys? :lol:
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Postby Melissa » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:28 am

Rick wrote:
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stevew2 wrote:this is whats on the fist post of this thread : Kent Webb, manager of technical services and support for the famous Steinway & Sons piano maker, said its instruments are extremely sensitive to changes in temperature and the extreme cold would not only have made the instrument out of tune, but would have made the keys susceptible to sticking.
bullshit tune the piano outside right before the think stared or use a electric one


What would tuning have to do with the keys sticking though? Just curious. I don't know a thing about fancy pianos, mine is just an old Kimball, but if the keys do expand in cold, if they do that, I could see where that would make them stick. That's all I heard about was the tuning though.


In Chemistry, the only thing that expands in cold is a liquid. Are those liquid filled keys? :lol:


:lol: Hubby just told me for pianos it's the opposite, the moving parts can contract in cold, but expand in heat :shock: :lol: . Damn I learn something every day! :lol: :lol:
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Postby Voyager » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:03 am

No wonder - look who the conductor was:

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Postby Rick » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:09 am

Voyager wrote:No wonder - look who the conductor was:

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:lol:


That's wrong on so many levels, dude, but funny as hell. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby slucero » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:02 am

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anybody figured out who the hottie is?

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Postby Rick » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:03 am

slucero wrote:Image

anybody figured out who the hottie is?


Alizée Jacotey
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Postby stevew2 » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:33 pm

Melissa wrote:
stevew2 wrote:this is whats on the fist post of this thread : Kent Webb, manager of technical services and support for the famous Steinway & Sons piano maker, said its instruments are extremely sensitive to changes in temperature and the extreme cold would not only have made the instrument out of tune, but would have made the keys susceptible to sticking.
bullshit tune the piano outside right before the think stared or use a electric one


What would tuning have to do with the keys sticking though? Just curious. I don't know a thing about fancy pianos, mine is just an old Kimball, but if the keys do expand in cold, if they do that, I could see where that would make them stick. That's all I heard about was the tuning though.
the wood in a piano key would not expand in the cold they would contract and just like you and I. The piano is made from natrual materials and responds to the elements like you and i would. I am a piano tech by trade. Cold dry air doesnt make piano keys stick period.That guy was full of shit and was trying to cover Steinways ass for not having someone play their companys piano live .I bet if your Kimball piano s keys stick, they they will do it more in July than Jan.I can repair that for you. let me know
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Postby Don » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:42 pm

slucero wrote:Image

anybody figured out who the hottie is?


She was around 16 during that video. She got married at 19, had a kid and is now semi-retired at the ripe old age of 24.

Alizée with her hubby.

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Postby stevew2 » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:56 pm

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slucero wrote:Image

anybody figured out who the hottie is?


She was around 16 during that video. She got married at 19, had a kid and is now semi-retired at the ripe old age of 24.

Alizée with her hubby.

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i bet she is still ripe if ya know what i mean
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