How would YOU rate Journey's performance last night?

[madsplash]

It was a train wreck. I hope the next singer gets hired soon.

Jeremy sings Arnel under the table. He would be Journey's lead singer if Arnel was American.

[StevePerryHair]

If I was Castronovo I would slap that little weed's face.

Speaking of Castronovo, he and Ross were fabulous as always. Something sounded different on Neal and Jon's parts, and I don't know if I'm hearing things but it just didn't mesh.

You might be right because I can't shake this feeling that something with that song was just different to me. And it wasn't JUST Arnel. It just didn't sound like I have heard it from that SAME combination of people several times last year. Something more than just Arnel's voice was wrong.

[conversationpc]

If I was Castronovo I would slap that little weed's face.

Speaking of Castronovo, he and Ross were fabulous as always. Something sounded different on Neal and Jon's parts, and I don't know if I'm hearing things but it just didn't mesh.

Could it be they were actually doing live backing vocals?

[StevePerryHair]

If I was Castronovo I would slap that little weed's face.

Speaking of Castronovo, he and Ross were fabulous as always. Something sounded different on Neal and Jon's parts, and I don't know if I'm hearing things but it just didn't mesh.

Could it be they were actually doing live backing vocals?

You know, that could be it!!

[Behshad]

It was a train wreck. I hope the next singer gets hired soon.

Jeremy sings Arnel under the table. He would be Journey's lead singer if Arnel was American.

Your shrink called. He found you a new 'apartment' with many wonderful 'roommates'

[Rhiannon]

If I was Castronovo I would slap that little weed's face.

Speaking of Castronovo, he and Ross were fabulous as always. Something sounded different on Neal and Jon's parts, and I don't know if I'm hearing things but it just didn't mesh.

You might be right because I can't shake this feeling that something with that song was just different to me. And it wasn't JUST Arnel. It just didn't sound like I have heard it from that SAME combination of people several times last year. Something more than just Arnel's voice was wrong.

Thank you, I thought something was off. Glad to know I'm not the only one who picked up on it!


...and @ Dave. ...

[Jeremey]

It was a train wreck. I hope the next singer gets hired soon.

Jeremy sings Arnel under the table. He would be Journey's lead singer if Arnel was American.

Your shrink called. He found you a new 'apartment' with many wonderful 'roommates'

In all seriousness, you'll be qualified to make that kind of statement after next weekend, right!?

Compare this in front of 500 people versus Journey presenting themselves in front of 50,000,000 people....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwG1f7QGAnk

[journeyMusic]

And the whole set was seen where???

[The_Noble_Cause]

Arnel may not have been operating at optimum level, but I’ve heard far worse from SA, (CBS Morning Show, anyone?), and even ROR-era Perry, for that matter.
Using nothing but previous Arnel performances as a vocal benchmark, I think this was a solid, if somewhat unexceptional, performance.
Not getting the hate...

[Gideon]

And the whole set was seen where???

That's what I would like to know.

As far as the performance is concerned, I'm torn between options 'c' and 'd'. I watched the whole thing on Youtube in high definition and it sounded much better than what I had originally thought, but the fact remains that I've seen Arnel on other Youtube clips and in person kick that song in the ass and this was not an asskicking performance. I don't think it outright sucked -- I've heard Perry, JSS, and SA do worse on a song than that -- but I do want to know what the hell is going on.

I think the bottom line is that Pineda needs to scuttle his so-called "solo career." His obligations with Journey are more important and more relevant to the public spectacle. AP is, like SA and JSS, a real class act, and I realize he's probably excited as shit to have such a huge media cloud over his head, but he needs to honor the fucking band who provided him the means with a solo career by saving his voice for them.

Period.

[Behshad]

It was a train wreck. I hope the next singer gets hired soon.

Jeremy sings Arnel under the table. He would be Journey's lead singer if Arnel was American.

Your shrink called. He found you a new 'apartment' with many wonderful 'roommates'

In all seriousness, you'll be qualified to make that kind of statement after next weekend, right!?

Compare this in front of 500 people versus Journey presenting themselves in front of 50,000,000 people....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwG1f7QGAnk

I made that statement in response to "He would be Journey's lead singer if Arnel was American"...
How the heck are you gonna prove that with your show next weekend, Jeremey !?

Also, in all seriousness, I told you Im dont pickin on you, remember? But I think its a lack of class if you try to promote yourself as soon as Arnel has a fuck-up, but maybe its just me

[Jeremey]

Arnel may not have been operating at optimum level, but I’ve heard far worse from SA, (CBS Morning Show, anyone?), and even ROR-era Perry, for that matter.
Using nothing but previous Arnel performances as a vocal benchmark, I think this was a solid, if somewhat unexceptional, performance.
Not getting the hate...

I think obviously Arnel can and has knocked this song out of the park before. I just don't understand the charity gig in CA the night before a Super Bowl performance. I mean - really, I'm bewildered that it was allowed to happen with the largest viewing audience in Journey's history watching them the next night. Whomever didn't step in and say "Sorry, bud, Super Bowl tomorrow" needs their head examined.

[Jana]

[quote="The_Noble_Cause"]Arnel may not have been operating at optimum level, but I’ve heard far worse from SA, (CBS Morning Show, anyone?), and even ROR-era Perry, for that matter.
Using nothing but previous Arnel performances as a vocal benchmark, I think this was a solid, if somewhat unexceptional, performance.
Not getting the hate...[/quote]

Exactly.

[Jeremey]

It was a train wreck. I hope the next singer gets hired soon.

Jeremy sings Arnel under the table. He would be Journey's lead singer if Arnel was American.

Your shrink called. He found you a new 'apartment' with many wonderful 'roommates'

In all seriousness, you'll be qualified to make that kind of statement after next weekend, right!?

Compare this in front of 500 people versus Journey presenting themselves in front of 50,000,000 people....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwG1f7QGAnk

I made that statement in response to "He would be Journey's lead singer if Arnel was American"...
How the heck are you gonna prove that with your show next weekend, Jeremey !?

Also, in all seriousness, I told you Im dont pickin on you, remember? But I think its a lack of class if you try to promote yourself as soon as Arnel has a fuck-up, but maybe its just me

Sorry - I thought you were talking about the first part of the sentence!

I'm not trying to promote myself though, just threw that link up as a response to someone being high or crazy for thinking that SB performance was still better than I could have done. Besides, everyone here knows me, so I don't need to promote here....But then again, this is what I do for a living so maybe I wouldn't be so stupid or classless just to advertise for my business, right?

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think obviously Arnel can and has knocked this song out of the park before. I just don't understand the charity gig in CA the night before a Super Bowl performance. I mean - really, I'm bewildered that it was allowed to happen with the largest viewing audience in Journey's history watching them the next night. Whomever didn't step in and say "Sorry, bud, Super Bowl tomorrow" needs their head examined.

Hadn't heard about that yet (just logged on!), tho I agree that's pretty reckless - especially given Journey's iffy track record of live TV appearances.

[Perrydise]

Arnel may not have been operating at optimum level, but I’ve heard far worse from SA, (CBS Morning Show, anyone?), and even ROR-era Perry, for that matter.
Using nothing but previous Arnel performances as a vocal benchmark, I think this was a solid, if somewhat unexceptional, performance.
Not getting the hate...

I think obviously Arnel can and has knocked this song out of the park before. I just don't understand the charity gig in CA the night before a Super Bowl performance. I mean - really, I'm bewildered that it was allowed to happen with the largest viewing audience in Journey's history watching them the next night. Whomever didn't step in and say "Sorry, bud, Super Bowl tomorrow" needs their head examined.

Absolutely - why was he allowed to do it. His charities and personal performances should never come before the almighty Journey agenda.

Why wasn't it stopped? They will need something in the future to use against him, this is now on the list.

I thought the performance was an embarrassment to all. They probably lost more future revenue than anything. Self respect they lost along time ago.

[Behshad]

It was a train wreck. I hope the next singer gets hired soon.

Jeremy sings Arnel under the table. He would be Journey's lead singer if Arnel was American.

Your shrink called. He found you a new 'apartment' with many wonderful 'roommates'

In all seriousness, you'll be qualified to make that kind of statement after next weekend, right!?

Compare this in front of 500 people versus Journey presenting themselves in front of 50,000,000 people....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwG1f7QGAnk

I made that statement in response to "He would be Journey's lead singer if Arnel was American"...
How the heck are you gonna prove that with your show next weekend, Jeremey !?

Also, in all seriousness, I told you Im dont pickin on you, remember? But I think its a lack of class if you try to promote yourself as soon as Arnel has a fuck-up, but maybe its just me

Sorry - I thought you were talking about the first part of the sentence!

I'm not trying to promote myself though, just threw that link up as a response to someone being high or crazy for thinking that SB performance was still better than I could have done. Besides, everyone here knows me, so I don't need to promote here....But then again, this is what I do for a living so maybe I wouldn't be so stupid or classless just to advertise for my business, right?

Im gonna pick on you once more on a more friendly note ,,,, You just contradicted yourself in the same pragraph I'm just hoping youre not doing the wine&pills again, man

And also,,, where the f**k is my tickets !?

[JRNYFan]

I don't think it was this catostrophic performance like some are making it out be, but it certainly wasn't Arnel's best.

[NealIsGod]

The songs need to be sung more true to the original versions. It's OK to improvise a bit, but Pineda does so many weird enunciations and drawn out words that it just doesn't even seem like Journey to me.

[madsplash]

It was a train wreck. I hope the next singer gets hired soon.

Jeremy sings Arnel under the table. He would be Journey's lead singer if Arnel was American.

Your shrink called. He found you a new 'apartment' with many wonderful 'roommates'

In all seriousness, you'll be qualified to make that kind of statement after next weekend, right!?

Compare this in front of 500 people versus Journey presenting themselves in front of 50,000,000 people....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwG1f7QGAnk

I made that statement in response to "He would be Journey's lead singer if Arnel was American"...
How the heck are you gonna prove that with your show next weekend, Jeremey !?

Also, in all seriousness, I told you Im dont pickin on you, remember? But I think its a lack of class if you try to promote yourself as soon as Arnel has a fuck-up, but maybe its just me

Sorry - I thought you were talking about the first part of the sentence!

I'm not trying to promote myself though, just threw that link up as a response to someone being high or crazy for thinking that SB performance was still better than I could have done. Besides, everyone here knows me, so I don't need to promote here....But then again, this is what I do for a living so maybe I wouldn't be so stupid or classless just to advertise for my business, right?

Maybe I should clarify. Jeremy does sing Arnel under the table, and I meant that if Arnel had the same voice he has and was American, Jeremy would have gotten the job. Cain had it right and Neil bullied in Arnel for foreign appeal. That may have been an OK business decision to some, but it's a crappy reason in my opinion.

I'm just saying that Jeremy is the superior singer and his vocals have the sound and feel of Journey to me. Arnel sounds like a good cover singing "at" Journey.

And yes, Arnel never should have been allowed to sing the night before this. That's a joke. I don't know whether Neil's 15 facelifts have made his brain to tight or what, but I can't believe he allowed that with "his" band. We know who's band it really was in it's prime and we sure as hell would've never heard that vocal performance on world-wide television.

[NealIsGod]

Today's gonna be fun.

[Don]

Why was Arnel in CA? Was he singing with Journey the night before?

Charity show with a Filipino singer. The shows were booked b/f Journey got the Super Bowl gig.

He didn't want to let Lani and his filipino fans down.. yadayadayada.
I hope you read this Arnel or one of your plokkers that lurk here report it back at base camp.
For a job that you have said was so important to you, you took this appearance a little too lightly and you in essence placed your needs above the band. It wasn't fair to the other band members but they're at fault also for letting you get away with it. You should have canceled your appearances with Lani that week and made a donation to your charity out of your own pocket to cover the loss. Journey does pay you enough, right?

Good thing it wasn't the halftime show, but I don't think Journey has to worry about that happening after yesterday.

[StevePerryHair]

Maybe I should clarify. Jeremy does sing Arnel under the table, and I meant that if Arnel had the same voice he has and was American, Jeremy would have gotten the job. Cain had it right and Neil bullied in Arnel for foreign appeal. That may have been an OK business decision to some, but it's a crappy reason in my opinion.
I'm just saying that Jeremy is the superior singer and his vocal have the sound and feel of Journey to me. Arnel sounds like a good cover singing "at" Journey.

And yes, Arnel never should have been allowed to sing the night before this. That's a joke. I don't know whether Neil's 15 facelifts have made his brain to tight or what, but I can't believe he allowed that with "his" band. We know who's band it really was init's prime and we sure as hell would've never heard that vocal performance on world-wide television.

They didn't NEED him for that appeal. They had JSS who is BIGGER in foreign countries. And I was at 2 concerts FULL of American people going NUTS with an Arnel lead Journey. I have never seen a crowd like the one in Cleveland.

[Onestepper]

I don't think it was this catostrophic performance like some are making it out be, but it certainly wasn't Arnel's best.

I don't believe it was catastrophic like you say. But I do believe it was reckless. Hopefully they are not going back to the days where they are sleep walking through performances. They flat out blew an unbelievable opportunity yesterday, and if they don't realize that, they are much dumber than I even thought.

[Gideon]

We know who's band it really was init's prime and we sure as hell would've never heard that vocal performance on world-wide television.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=504B3iR5 ... re=related

Wrong.

[Behshad]

Maybe I should clarify. Jeremy does sing Arnel under the table, and I meant that if Arnel had the same voice he has and was American, Jeremy would have gotten the job. Cain had it right and Neil bullied in Arnel for foreign appeal. That may have been an OK business decision to some, but it's a crappy reason in my opinion.

I'm just saying that Jeremy is the superior singer and his vocal have the sound and feel of Journey to me. Arnel sounds like a good cover singing "at" Journey.

And yes, Arnel never should have been allowed to sing the night before this. That's a joke. I don't know whether Neil's 15 facelifts have made his brain to tight or what, but I can't believe he allowed that with "his" band. We know who's band it really was init's prime and we sure as hell would've never heard that vocal performance on world-wide television.

So basically you're saying that Arnel is just a cover band singer, which makes Jeremey a better singer, cause he is not a cover band singer. I see your point now, thank you.

[Don]

We know who's band it really was init's prime and we sure as hell would've never heard that vocal performance on world-wide television.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=504B3iR5 ... re=related

Wrong.

Where's the part where he rolls his eyes back into his head?

[Behshad]

Today's gonna be fun.

You mean Today is fun already. or you think it will be more fun than this ?

[madsplash]

Maybe I should clarify. Jeremy does sing Arnel under the table, and I meant that if Arnel had the same voice he has and was American, Jeremy would have gotten the job. Cain had it right and Neil bullied in Arnel for foreign appeal. That may have been an OK business decision to some, but it's a crappy reason in my opinion.
I'm just saying that Jeremy is the superior singer and his vocal have the sound and feel of Journey to me. Arnel sounds like a good cover singing "at" Journey.

And yes, Arnel never should have been allowed to sing the night before this. That's a joke. I don't know whether Neil's 15 facelifts have made his brain to tight or what, but I can't believe he allowed that with "his" band. We know who's band it really was init's prime and we sure as hell would've never heard that vocal performance on world-wide television.

They didn't NEED him for that appeal. They had JSS who is BIGGER in foreign countries. And I was at 2 concerts FULL of American people going NUTS with an Arnel lead Journey. I have never seen a crowd like the one in Cleveland.

Bigger as a solo artist, but not as Journey's lead singer. They did NEED him for that appeal. And you never saw the band on the Frontiers or ROR tour did you? If you had, you wouldn't think any show they did last year was in the same league as those tours. In 1982, Journey was the biggest band in the world, bar none.

And Jeremy still sings Arnel under the table.

[Gideon]

We know who's band it really was init's prime and we sure as hell would've never heard that vocal performance on world-wide television.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=504B3iR5 ... re=related

Wrong.

Where's the part where he rolls his eyes back into his head?

Where's the part where rolling eyes back into one's head qualifies as "never hearing that vocal performance on world-wide television"?

I hope you're joking and not actually trying to argue this.