How would YOU rate Journey's performance last night?

[NealIsGod]

Today's gonna be fun.

You mean Today is fun already. or you think it will be more fun than this ?

Oh it's just beginning.

[Rhiannon]

I don't think Journey has to worry about that happening after yesterday.

The 15 minutes of this chapter seem to be at 14:57... I'm not saying they're done for good, but they will feel these repercussions for a while.
Definitely doesn't help things. If you're gonna sound like that, better to have it as an off-night at a shed in front of 20k than in front of the entire globe, many viewers only having heard the album version.

Next time, bring Ashlee Simpson out to hee-haw dance if that's gonna happen, at least entertain us.

[StevePerryHair]

Maybe I should clarify. Jeremy does sing Arnel under the table, and I meant that if Arnel had the same voice he has and was American, Jeremy would have gotten the job. Cain had it right and Neil bullied in Arnel for foreign appeal. That may have been an OK business decision to some, but it's a crappy reason in my opinion.
I'm just saying that Jeremy is the superior singer and his vocal have the sound and feel of Journey to me. Arnel sounds like a good cover singing "at" Journey.

And yes, Arnel never should have been allowed to sing the night before this. That's a joke. I don't know whether Neil's 15 facelifts have made his brain to tight or what, but I can't believe he allowed that with "his" band. We know who's band it really was init's prime and we sure as hell would've never heard that vocal performance on world-wide television.

They didn't NEED him for that appeal. They had JSS who is BIGGER in foreign countries. And I was at 2 concerts FULL of American people going NUTS with an Arnel lead Journey. I have never seen a crowd like the one in Cleveland.

Bigger as a solo artist, but not as Journey's lead singer. They did NEED him for that appeal. And you never saw the band on the Frontiers or ROR tour did you? If you had, you wouldn't think any show they did last year was in the same league as those tours. In 1982, Journey was the biggest band in the world, bar none.
And Jeremy still sings Arnel under the table.

Well, DUH! I mean really, what band fills stadiums now like they did back then??? I meant as far as the typical classic rock venues they are ALL forced to play now. I am not looking at the SP days. And OBVOUSLY when you have your original singer it is different for any band.

[NealIsGod]

You know the performance was bad when it makes people wish they had lipped.

[Behshad]

I don't think Journey has to worry about that happening after yesterday.

The 15 minutes of this chapter seem to be at 14:57... I'm not saying they're done for good, but they will feel these repercussions for a while.
Definitely doesn't help things. If you're gonna sound like that, better to have it as an off-night at a shed in front of 20k than in front of the entire globe, many viewers only having heard the album version.

Next time, bring Ashlee Simpson out to hee-haw dance if that's gonna happen, at least entertain us.

or at least Janets nipple(s)

[madsplash]

We know who's band it really was init's prime and we sure as hell would've never heard that vocal performance on world-wide television.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=504B3iR5 ... re=related

Wrong.

Where's the part where he rolls his eyes back into his head?

Are you kidding me with this? Is this all you have? A tired, partied out, hoarse from yelling, SP singing without warming up and trying to blend in with a bunch of big oafs warbling off key?

Find me an off performance of DSB where he's on stage. And if you post the FTLOSM tour version, you'll be wrong, because although the song was lowered a HALF step, he sang the hell out of it.

It's hillarious someone would post this a so called "bad performace". Talk about reaching.

[StevePerryHair]

I don't think Journey has to worry about that happening after yesterday.

The 15 minutes of this chapter seem to be at 14:57... I'm not saying they're done for good, but they will feel these repercussions for a while.
Definitely doesn't help things. If you're gonna sound like that, better to have it as an off-night at a shed in front of 20k than in front of the entire globe, many viewers only having heard the album version.

Next time, bring Ashlee Simpson out to hee-haw dance if that's gonna happen, at least entertain us.

I really don't think it will hurt them. People want to hear music, dance, drink and have fun with their friends. One little tiny performance will not change that. People were on their feet the entire set last year, and they were going nuts. They know he has sounded better. I agree though, that those who have not seen him live yet, may be affected by it. They will still sell tickets though. They always do.

[Jana]

I don't think Journey has to worry about that happening after yesterday.

The 15 minutes of this chapter seem to be at 14:57... I'm not saying they're done for good, but they will feel these repercussions for a while.
Definitely doesn't help things. If you're gonna sound like that, better to have it as an off-night at a shed in front of 20k than in front of the entire globe, many viewers only having heard the album version.

Next time, bring Ashlee Simpson out to hee-haw dance if that's gonna happen, at least entertain us.

You're comparing him to Ashlee Simpson? Now, that's an awful performance live.

[Rhiannon]

I really don't think it will hurt them. People want to hear music, dance, drink and have fun with their friends. One little tiny performance will not change that. People were on their feet the entire set last year, and they were going nuts. They know he has sounded better. I agree though, that those who have not seen him live yet, may be affected by it. They will still sell tickets though. They always do.

That's not my point, I don't doubt they won't have another packed summer tour, I just think the newness has worn off. Comparatively if they had brought their A-game to the table yesterday, they would have benefited from that later on. So in that, they will lose a little.

[Rhiannon]

You're comparing him to Ashlee Simpson? Now, that's an awful performance live.

NOooo... I'm saying bring her out and have her dance to liven things up.

[Rockindeano]

I just don't understand the charity gig in CA the night before a Super Bowl performance. I mean - really, I'm bewildered that it was allowed to happen with the largest viewing audience in Journey's history watching them the next night. Whomever didn't step in and say "Sorry, bud, Super Bowl tomorrow" needs their head examined.

Let me ask you this Jeremey. I disagree with this. Pineda is an adult. Fuck, he is 40 something years old. He should know better than this. My point is he should have the brains and respect for his job and his bandmates to be in Tampa a few days early, get acclimated and and perform like a professional. I already spoke unauthorized for JSS, saying he would never pull that shit, and I bet you wouldn't be doing a gig on the eve of the fucking Super Bowl either, especially on the opposite coast, would you. Man, if I truly gave a shit about this band, I would be all over Azoff, Schon and Friga0Cain. You think Bruce and his band were playing the Stone Pony on Super Bowl Eve, and just flew in and popped out their show?

To carry this further, there is definitely a disinterest at the management level here. Azoff has far more lucrative clients, tlike the Eagles and Christina Aguilara, and if you look at the mistakes that this band makes, and are seemingly allowed to make, you have to wonder if Azoff (Conselo and Baruck)is just a manager in name only. If I were still tried and true fan, I would be pissed. Journey has obviously lost respect for themselves, the band name and I have to think, they have lost respect for rock n roll and music in general. They don't take it serious. I hate to keep bringing it up, but compare the two bands yesterday. One was on the big stage and acted very professional and the other played the beer tent and acted half assed. Coincidence?

[madsplash]

Maybe I should clarify. Jeremy does sing Arnel under the table, and I meant that if Arnel had the same voice he has and was American, Jeremy would have gotten the job. Cain had it right and Neil bullied in Arnel for foreign appeal. That may have been an OK business decision to some, but it's a crappy reason in my opinion.
I'm just saying that Jeremy is the superior singer and his vocal have the sound and feel of Journey to me. Arnel sounds like a good cover singing "at" Journey.

And yes, Arnel never should have been allowed to sing the night before this. That's a joke. I don't know whether Neil's 15 facelifts have made his brain to tight or what, but I can't believe he allowed that with "his" band. We know who's band it really was init's prime and we sure as hell would've never heard that vocal performance on world-wide television.

They didn't NEED him for that appeal. They had JSS who is BIGGER in foreign countries. And I was at 2 concerts FULL of American people going NUTS with an Arnel lead Journey. I have never seen a crowd like the one in Cleveland.

Bigger as a solo artist, but not as Journey's lead singer. They did NEED him for that appeal. And you never saw the band on the Frontiers or ROR tour did you? If you had, you wouldn't think any show they did last year was in the same league as those tours. In 1982, Journey was the biggest band in the world, bar none.
And Jeremy still sings Arnel under the table.

Well, DUH! I mean really, what band fills stadiums now like they did back then??? I meant as far as the typical classic rock venues they are ALL forced to play now. I am not looking at the SP days. And OBVOUSLY when you have your original singer it is different for any band.

I'm just saying that to think Arnel's possible foreign attraction wasn't factored into the decision HEAVLIY, is naive.

[bluejeangirl76]

Find me an off performance of DSB where he's on stage.

Tom Snyder show, 1982 (I believe). Forgot the entire 1st verse.

New Year's Eve 1986... blasted and cursing in the 2nd chorus.

(I'm not criticizing, btw... the NYE one is funnier than hell!!)

[journey062393]

I don't think Journey has to worry about that happening after yesterday.

The 15 minutes of this chapter seem to be at 14:57... I'm not saying they're done for good, but they will feel these repercussions for a while.
Definitely doesn't help things. If you're gonna sound like that, better to have it as an off-night at a shed in front of 20k than in front of the entire globe, many viewers only having heard the album version.Next time, bring Ashlee Simpson out to hee-haw dance if that's gonna happen, at least entertain us.

You're exactly right. Immediately after they played DSB and went to a commercial break or the next segment, I switched over to the CAVS/Pistons game and they were blasting DSB during the timeout. It was hard to listen to both versions back to back like that.

[Rhiannon]

New Year's Eve 1986... blasted and cursing in the 2nd chorus.

"Themotherfuckingboulevard!!!!"

[amaron]

I hate to keep bringing it up, but compare the two bands yesterday. One was on the big stage and acted very professional and the other played the beer tent and acted half assed. Coincidence?

I disagree a LITTLE bit with this comparison.

Springsteen has always gotten the respect that Journey never has, even with Perry. If Journey just kept on going in 86 until now, I would have to assume that they would have gotten chances like Springsteen did last night.

[StevePerryHair]

I really don't think it will hurt them. People want to hear music, dance, drink and have fun with their friends. One little tiny performance will not change that. People were on their feet the entire set last year, and they were going nuts. They know he has sounded better. I agree though, that those who have not seen him live yet, may be affected by it. They will still sell tickets though. They always do.

That's not my point, I don't doubt they won't have another packed summer tour, I just think the newness has worn off. Comparatively if they had brought their A-game to the table yesterday, they would have benefited from that later on. So in that, they will lose a little.

Yes, I think we agree. I just didn't read your point right Sorry

[Gideon]

Find me an off performance of DSB where he's on stage.

Tom Snyder show, 1982 (I believe). Forgot the entire 1st verse.

New Year's Eve 1986... blasted and cursing in the 2nd chorus.

(I'm not criticizing, btw... the NYE one is funnier than hell!!)

Why do you have to point out that he was blasted and cursing and forgot the first verse?

It's okay if Perry fucks up.

[Rhiannon]

I really don't think it will hurt them. People want to hear music, dance, drink and have fun with their friends. One little tiny performance will not change that. People were on their feet the entire set last year, and they were going nuts. They know he has sounded better. I agree though, that those who have not seen him live yet, may be affected by it. They will still sell tickets though. They always do.

That's not my point, I don't doubt they won't have another packed summer tour, I just think the newness has worn off. Comparatively if they had brought their A-game to the table yesterday, they would have benefited from that later on. So in that, they will lose a little.

Yes, I think we agree. I just didn't read your point right Sorry

I'd hate to have to fist fight you, Lynness.

[journey062393]

.......although, I have to admit that Arnel outperformed T-Pain!

Did anyone else post this thread:

http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/02/01/jour ... -believin/


Interesting that it really didn't talk so much about the Superbowl performance as it did SP's feelings about the Soprano episode.

[Jana]

You're comparing him to Ashlee Simpson? Now, that's an awful performance live.

NOooo... I'm saying bring her out and have her dance to liven things up.

[conversationpc]

I really don't think it will hurt them. People want to hear music, dance, drink and have fun with their friends. One little tiny performance will not change that. People were on their feet the entire set last year, and they were going nuts. They know he has sounded better. I agree though, that those who have not seen him live yet, may be affected by it. They will still sell tickets though. They always do.

That's not my point, I don't doubt they won't have another packed summer tour, I just think the newness has worn off. Comparatively if they had brought their A-game to the table yesterday, they would have benefited from that later on. So in that, they will lose a little.

Yes, I think we agree. I just didn't read your point right Sorry

I'd hate to have to fist fight you, Lynness.

Please?

[Rockindeano]

I hate to keep bringing it up, but compare the two bands yesterday. One was on the big stage and acted very professional and the other played the beer tent and acted half assed. Coincidence?

I disagree a LITTLE bit with this comparison.

Springsteen has always gotten the respect that Journey never has, even with Perry. If Journey just kept on going in 86 until now, I would have to assume that they would have gotten chances like Springsteen did last night.

Fair enough and I agree on the respect thing. However, if Perry was in the band, he wouldn't be so damned dumb to be singing at an event in Frisco on Saturday night and hopping a bird to Tampa. I believe Perry respects music and the industry too much, to do it half assed.

[StevePerryHair]

I really don't think it will hurt them. People want to hear music, dance, drink and have fun with their friends. One little tiny performance will not change that. People were on their feet the entire set last year, and they were going nuts. They know he has sounded better. I agree though, that those who have not seen him live yet, may be affected by it. They will still sell tickets though. They always do.

That's not my point, I don't doubt they won't have another packed summer tour, I just think the newness has worn off. Comparatively if they had brought their A-game to the table yesterday, they would have benefited from that later on. So in that, they will lose a little.

Yes, I think we agree. I just didn't read your point right Sorry

I'd hate to have to fist fight you, Lynness.

You'd win!!! I'm a wimp

[Don]

Maybe I should clarify. Jeremy does sing Arnel under the table, and I meant that if Arnel had the same voice he has and was American, Jeremy would have gotten the job. Cain had it right and Neil bullied in Arnel for foreign appeal. That may have been an OK business decision to some, but it's a crappy reason in my opinion.
I'm just saying that Jeremy is the superior singer and his vocal have the sound and feel of Journey to me. Arnel sounds like a good cover singing "at" Journey.

And yes, Arnel never should have been allowed to sing the night before this. That's a joke. I don't know whether Neil's 15 facelifts have made his brain to tight or what, but I can't believe he allowed that with "his" band. We know who's band it really was init's prime and we sure as hell would've never heard that vocal performance on world-wide television.

They didn't NEED him for that appeal. They had JSS who is BIGGER in foreign countries. And I was at 2 concerts FULL of American people going NUTS with an Arnel lead Journey. I have never seen a crowd like the one in Cleveland.

Bigger as a solo artist, but not as Journey's lead singer. They did NEED him for that appeal. And you never saw the band on the Frontiers or ROR tour did you? If you had, you wouldn't think any show they did last year was in the same league as those tours. In 1982, Journey was the biggest band in the world, bar none.
And Jeremy still sings Arnel under the table.

Well, DUH! I mean really, what band fills stadiums now like they did back then??? I meant as far as the typical classic rock venues they are ALL forced to play now. I am not looking at the SP days. And OBVOUSLY when you have your original singer it is different for any band.

I'm just saying that to think Arnel's possible foreign attraction wasn't factored into the decision HEAVLIY, is naive.

Didn't Neal or someone else mention they're an international band now. Of course Aerosmith is still selling out 55k seats in the Tokyo dome, while Journey is booked into one arena that holds 2,500 in Tokyo, but I guess they still qualify as international megastars.

[Moon Beam]

Mr Pineda sounds better on cd to me.

[Behshad]

I really don't think it will hurt them. People want to hear music, dance, drink and have fun with their friends. One little tiny performance will not change that. People were on their feet the entire set last year, and they were going nuts. They know he has sounded better. I agree though, that those who have not seen him live yet, may be affected by it. They will still sell tickets though. They always do.

That's not my point, I don't doubt they won't have another packed summer tour, I just think the newness has worn off. Comparatively if they had brought their A-game to the table yesterday, they would have benefited from that later on. So in that, they will lose a little.

Yes, I think we agree. I just didn't read your point right Sorry

I'd hate to have to fist fight you, Lynness.

Please?

What Dave said !!

[Arkansas]

I just don't understand the charity gig in CA the night before a Super Bowl performance. I mean - really, I'm bewildered that it was allowed to happen with the largest viewing audience in Journey's history watching them the next night. Whomever didn't step in and say "Sorry, bud, Super Bowl tomorrow" needs their head examined.

Let me ask you this Jeremey. I disagree with this. Pineda is an adult. Fuck, he is 40 something years old. He should know better than this. My point is he should have the brains and respect for his job and his bandmates to be in Tampa a few days early, get acclimated and and perform like a professional. I already spoke unauthorized for JSS, saying he would never pull that shit, and I bet you wouldn't be doing a gig on the eve of the fucking Super Bowl either, especially on the opposite coast, would you. Man, if I truly gave a shit about this band, I would be all over Azoff, Schon and Friga0Cain. You think Bruce and his band were playing the Stone Pony on Super Bowl Eve, and just flew in and popped out their show?

To carry this further, there is definitely a disinterest at the management level here. Azoff has far more lucrative clients, tlike the Eagles and Christina Aguilara, and if you look at the mistakes that this band makes, and are seemingly allowed to make, you have to wonder if Azoff (Conselo and Baruck)is just a manager in name only. If I were still tried and true fan, I would be pissed. Journey has obviously lost respect for themselves, the band name and I have to think, they have lost respect for rock n roll and music in general. They don't take it serious. I hate to keep bringing it up, but compare the two bands yesterday. One was on the big stage and acted very professional and the other played the beer tent and acted half assed. Coincidence?

Must say, this nails it exactly. Both posts do.
(And without too much 'unnecessary language'. Nice.)


later~

[Behshad]

Mr Pineda sounds better on cd to me.

Thanks Mr Sherlock,,, I mean Miss Moonie How the heck have ya been!?

[NealIsGod]

Mr Pineda sounds better on cd to me.

Thanks Mr Sherlock,,, I mean Miss Moonie How the heck have ya been!?