The entirety of Journey's preshow concert

[stevew2]

These performances are not great, but they are really not that bad either. I have seen many live performances go a lot worse. This all falls on the entire band and management for not rehearsing... no one can just pick up as a band after months away and just get right back into a tight unit.

Friga likes a tight unit. I know Arnel can nail all them songs, He had a bad day, seperate ways was a little better the DSB

[Jana]

Separate Ways: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO-O3wJe-4Y

Arnel sounds really rough on Separate Ways.

Sounds a little worse for wear, but again, he's not ducking notes or reverting to falsetto or anything.
I'm not sure you guys know what a bad night really sounds like.

no kidding man...arnel is way too hard on himself..

i cant believe he even addressed this..

He addressed it b/c he saw a lot of posts saying he sucked and more than anything he doesn't want to let the fans down but especially not let Journey down. I've seen bad performances where you're cringing b/c they can't hit the notes or are off-key. Not so here.

[StevePerryHair]

It seems to me though, that the reason so many thought it was so "bad" was because not only did he not sing it the way he has in the past and not only was it very rough sounding, but it also was not very "Perry" like. People who are not die hard fans, have thought he sounded a lot like Perry in the past. I know people who are die hard fans would say he's not even close, but I am talking about the casual fan. They DO think that. I think the criticism he is getting is not so much for being a horrible singer that day, but just being so far from the original. This could be why we will never see Perry front Journey again. Imagine him going under this much scrutiny if he is being compared to his old 80's self!!!

[Don]

Separate Ways: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO-O3wJe-4Y

Arnel sounds really rough on Separate Ways.

Sounds a little worse for wear, but again, he's not ducking notes or reverting to falsetto or anything.
I'm not sure you guys know what a bad night really sounds like.

no kidding man...arnel is way too hard on himself..

i cant believe he even addressed this..

He addressed it b/c he saw a lot of posts saying he sucked and more than anything he doesn't want to let the fans down but especially not let Journey down. I've seen bad performances where you're cringing b/c they can't hit the notes or are off-key. Not so here.

I think when he actually saw the video of the performance he realized he didn't sound well, the posts just confirmed it. Still, it's water under the bridge. My only concern is the thing with the weather. Journey used to tour year round. It looks they are going to have to schedule their shows around winter for the most part. He seems to have a low tolerance to cold. If he lived here he could get acclimated in a quicker fashion but we don't know how much money he makes and as we all know, it is quite expensive to set up house in the states.

[Behshad]

It seems to me though, that the reason so many thought it was so "bad" was because not only did he not sing it the way he has in the past and not only was it very rough sounding, but it also was not very "Perry" like. People who are not die hard fans, have thought he sounded a lot like Perry in the past. I know people who are die hard fans would say he's not even close, but I am talking about the casual fan. They DO think that. I think the criticism he is getting is not so much for being a horrible singer that day, but just being so far from the original. This could be why we will never see Perry front Journey again. Imagine him going under this much scrutiny if he is being compared to his old 80's self!!!

I think a big surprise was the return of his accent. He had almost gotten rid of it on stage the past 6 months and I think being away from US is the main cause of the accent he had Sunday.... He needs to think of US as his new home ...

[StevePerryHair]

It seems to me though, that the reason so many thought it was so "bad" was because not only did he not sing it the way he has in the past and not only was it very rough sounding, but it also was not very "Perry" like. People who are not die hard fans, have thought he sounded a lot like Perry in the past. I know people who are die hard fans would say he's not even close, but I am talking about the casual fan. They DO think that. I think the criticism he is getting is not so much for being a horrible singer that day, but just being so far from the original. This could be why we will never see Perry front Journey again. Imagine him going under this much scrutiny if he is being compared to his old 80's self!!!

I think a big surprise was the return of his accent. He had almost gotten rid of it on stage the past 6 months and I think being away from US is the main cause of the accent he had Sunday.... He needs to think of US as his new home ...

Yes, the short months here may not have been long enough for all the work he did with his diction to stick. Amazing how well he did wiht that last year though, and in such a short time too.

[Rhiannon]

I think a big surprise was the return of his accent. He had almost gotten rid of it on stage the past 6 months and I think being away from US is the main cause of the accent he had Sunday.... He needs to think of US as his new home ...

Yes, the short months here may not have been long enough for all the work he did with his diction to stick. Amazing how well he did wiht that last year though, and in such a short time too.

Accents are hard to get rid of. Ask anyone who's been around me while I'm on the phone with someone back home... city-girl to hick in no-time flat. A friend of mine who is from Wisconsin, same way... sure it's only regional accent, but I have no doubt Arnel will be back into the groove of things for summer, just judging from his accomplishments last year.

[RumTumJM]

I don't know why, but this comment from AP just stood out to me. I'm sure he's just being hard on himself (which he should be), but I think this says a lot...

Knellsky: MAYBE IF JOURNEY WILL GIVE ME A CHANCE
I CAN DO BETTER NEXT TIME

I agree! He really seems to have the determination to give all he has, and is very hard on himself.

Having done acting and other kinds of performing, I truly feel all is fine the Journey, as long as he maintains this attitude. He just needs to combine that with an openness to listen to Neal & Jon and we should be set for a while!

But that is my $.02

[Melissa]

He was pretty hard on himself. I don't think any singer could pull off a great performance if they can't hear themselves well at all, no matter who the singer is. And it has been very dry and colder than normal for this time of year here in central FL, unlike our normal sub-tropical weather and humidity, and with the humidity even higher in the PI than here, I'm sure that makes a huge difference.

Now, I'm not being a "cheerleader", I agree it wasn't what I've heard him do live before several times now, I know what he's capable of, and it's very good. I just don't see this SB thing as the apocalypse, lol. I see them touring again with 1 or 2 other bands, and not affected in some major way by this. I'll be more than happy to eat my words if that's not the case, but that's just how I see it.

[Behshad]

He was pretty hard on himself. I don't think any singer could pull off a great performance if they can't hear themselves well at all, no matter who the singer is. And it has been very dry and colder than normal for this time of year here in central FL, unlike our normal sub-tropical weather and humidity, and with the humidity even higher in the PI than here, I'm sure that makes a huge difference.

Now, I'm not being a "cheerleader", I agree it wasn't what I've heard him do live before several times now, I know what he's capable of, and it's very good. I just don't see this SB thing as the apocalypse, lol. I see them touring again with 1 or 2 other bands, and not affected in some major way by this. I'll be more than happy to eat my words if that's not the case, but that's just how I see it.

Youre a NEAL cheerleader, so we know you cant be Arnel's cheerleader too, therefore no need for clearification

[Melissa]

He was pretty hard on himself. I don't think any singer could pull off a great performance if they can't hear themselves well at all, no matter who the singer is. And it has been very dry and colder than normal for this time of year here in central FL, unlike our normal sub-tropical weather and humidity, and with the humidity even higher in the PI than here, I'm sure that makes a huge difference.

Now, I'm not being a "cheerleader", I agree it wasn't what I've heard him do live before several times now, I know what he's capable of, and it's very good. I just don't see this SB thing as the apocalypse, lol. I see them touring again with 1 or 2 other bands, and not affected in some major way by this. I'll be more than happy to eat my words if that's not the case, but that's just how I see it.

Youre a NEAL cheerleader, so we know you cant be Arnel's cheerleader too, therefore no need for clearification

Yeah right

[Behshad]

He was pretty hard on himself. I don't think any singer could pull off a great performance if they can't hear themselves well at all, no matter who the singer is. And it has been very dry and colder than normal for this time of year here in central FL, unlike our normal sub-tropical weather and humidity, and with the humidity even higher in the PI than here, I'm sure that makes a huge difference.

Now, I'm not being a "cheerleader", I agree it wasn't what I've heard him do live before several times now, I know what he's capable of, and it's very good. I just don't see this SB thing as the apocalypse, lol. I see them touring again with 1 or 2 other bands, and not affected in some major way by this. I'll be more than happy to eat my words if that's not the case, but that's just how I see it.

Youre a NEAL cheerleader, so we know you cant be Arnel's cheerleader too, therefore no need for clearification

Yeah right

you know he reads here right??? There goes all your tickets and passes for next tour.

(proof that he reads here)

[NealIsGod]

Yup, he sure does read here. Too much.

[Melissa]

He was pretty hard on himself. I don't think any singer could pull off a great performance if they can't hear themselves well at all, no matter who the singer is. And it has been very dry and colder than normal for this time of year here in central FL, unlike our normal sub-tropical weather and humidity, and with the humidity even higher in the PI than here, I'm sure that makes a huge difference.

Now, I'm not being a "cheerleader", I agree it wasn't what I've heard him do live before several times now, I know what he's capable of, and it's very good. I just don't see this SB thing as the apocalypse, lol. I see them touring again with 1 or 2 other bands, and not affected in some major way by this. I'll be more than happy to eat my words if that's not the case, but that's just how I see it.

Youre a NEAL cheerleader, so we know you cant be Arnel's cheerleader too, therefore no need for clearification

Yeah right

you know he reads here right??? There goes all your tickets and passes for next tour.


I'm heartbroken

[Eric]

Dude, I couldn't tell you if they did. The only songs I know on their new POS is NWA and AATY. I still haven't bought or listened to that disc.

I call bullshit. Either you have listened to it or you don't know its a POS or not.

[Rockindeano]

Dude, I couldn't tell you if they did. The only songs I know on their new POS is NWA and AATY. I still haven't bought or listened to that disc.

I call bullshit. Either you have listened to it or you don't know its a POS or not.

Ok Bullshit. I have heard NWA and AATY. That's it. I haven't heard a single note from that cd other than those two songs.

[finalfight]

Dude, I couldn't tell you if they did. The only songs I know on their new POS is NWA and AATY. I still haven't bought or listened to that disc.

I call bullshit. Either you have listened to it or you don't know its a POS or not.

Ok Bullshit. I have heard NWA and AATY. That's it. I haven't heard a single note from that cd other than those two songs.

You should definitely give it a shot. Most of the material on there is better than the two songs you mentioned.

[jestor92]

Separate Ways: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO-O3wJe-4Y

Arnel sounds really rough on Separate Ways.

Sounds a little worse for wear, but again, he's not ducking notes or reverting to falsetto or anything.
I'm not sure you guys know what a bad night really sounds like.

no kidding man...arnel is way too hard on himself..

i cant believe he even addressed this..

Maybe it's because he doesn't want to get slaughtered for singing to backing tapes.

BTW I saw Journey 4 times, the last time I saw them was on the Def Lepp tour with Augeri singing vocals and he was god awful to say the least. The rest of the band it a givin that it will be performing good. Now if they could only get a decent vocalist.

[jestor92]

Dude, I couldn't tell you if they did. The only songs I know on their new POS is NWA and AATY. I still haven't bought or listened to that disc.

I call bullshit. Either you have listened to it or you don't know its a POS or not.

I 2nd POS. It has 3 solid tracks and a bunch of filler, including an Augeri era song that is on there for who knows what reason.

The 3 solid tracks- Never Walk Away, Change For The Better, After All These Years. The rest of the album is average at best. Augeri's version of Faith In The Heartland blows Arnel's version off the map.

[Gideon]

Now if they could only get a decent vocalist.

Why? A "decent vocalist" would be a sure step down from what they have now. Arnel is great. He just needs to get his shit together and stop the solo tours; his solo career is immaterial imho.

As far as Revelation goes, I like NWA, AAtY, TDtWT, WD, WDILYL, and "Change for the Better" contends with most of the best Perry-led songs. I always skip the rest. All in all, it's a solid effort and I think in terms of musicianship it's tied with Trial By Fire as Journey's greatest album. Overall, it's probably 4-6.

No album, over all, can contend with TBF.

[Michigan Girl]

Now if they could only get a decent vocalist.

Why? A "decent vocalist" would be a sure step down from what they have now. Arnel is great. He just needs to get his shit together and stop the solo tours; his solo career is immaterial imho.

As far as Revelation goes, I like NWA, AAtY, TDtWT, WD, WDILYL, and "Change for the Better" contends with most of the best Perry-led songs. I always skip the rest. All in all, it's a solid effort and I think in terms of musicianship it's tied with Trial By Fire as Journey's greatest album. Overall, it's probably 4-6.

No album, over all, can contend with TBF.

I love TBF!!!

[Gideon]

Now if they could only get a decent vocalist.

Why? A "decent vocalist" would be a sure step down from what they have now. Arnel is great. He just needs to get his shit together and stop the solo tours; his solo career is immaterial imho.

As far as Revelation goes, I like NWA, AAtY, TDtWT, WD, WDILYL, and "Change for the Better" contends with most of the best Perry-led songs. I always skip the rest. All in all, it's a solid effort and I think in terms of musicianship it's tied with Trial By Fire as Journey's greatest album. Overall, it's probably 4-6.

No album, over all, can contend with TBF.

I love TBF!!!

Journey's finest album, hands down.

[mdaemon]

It seems to me though, that the reason so many thought it was so "bad" was because not only did he not sing it the way he has in the past and not only was it very rough sounding, but it also was not very "Perry" like. People who are not die hard fans, have thought he sounded a lot like Perry in the past. I know people who are die hard fans would say he's not even close, but I am talking about the casual fan. They DO think that. I think the criticism he is getting is not so much for being a horrible singer that day, but just being so far from the original. This could be why we will never see Perry front Journey again. Imagine him going under this much scrutiny if he is being compared to his old 80's self!!!

I think a big surprise was the return of his accent. He had almost gotten rid of it on stage the past 6 months and I think being away from US is the main cause of the accent he had Sunday.... He needs to think of US as his new home ...

...I think he should too

[T-Bone]

I throw TBF at the bottom of the heap compared to the late 70's and early 80's stuff. TBF and Arrival were too overpowered by ballads...

[Jana]

It seems to me though, that the reason so many thought it was so "bad" was because not only did he not sing it the way he has in the past and not only was it very rough sounding, but it also was not very "Perry" like. People who are not die hard fans, have thought he sounded a lot like Perry in the past. I know people who are die hard fans would say he's not even close, but I am talking about the casual fan. They DO think that. I think the criticism he is getting is not so much for being a horrible singer that day, but just being so far from the original. This could be why we will never see Perry front Journey again. Imagine him going under this much scrutiny if he is being compared to his old 80's self!!!

I think a big surprise was the return of his accent. He had almost gotten rid of it on stage the past 6 months and I think being away from US is the main cause of the accent he had Sunday.... He needs to think of US as his new home ...

...I think he should too

I don't think he should. He's on the road and it's very stressful pulling off performances night after night for many, many months. I think moving to the States would be too much of a change. Maybe a second home when he makes more money. He has other children over there and family members that he misses when he's gone. He lived there b/f the last tour and did fantastic. He said he lived like a monk and had a diction coach and was doing his exercises and also his vocal exercises. He was absolutely ready for that tour. That will be that way this time. He probably should have cut off some of the solo appearances he had been doing in December for promo of the upcoming Journey concert off by the end of the year and spent the month of January holed up doing all the things I mentioned previously he did for the first tour. I think the Philippines for right now makes him happy after being on the road. He'll do a great job in concert this tour. I've said that before. And I have no doubt.

[SherriBerry]

It seems to me though, that the reason so many thought it was so "bad" was because not only did he not sing it the way he has in the past and not only was it very rough sounding, but it also was not very "Perry" like. People who are not die hard fans, have thought he sounded a lot like Perry in the past. I know people who are die hard fans would say he's not even close, but I am talking about the casual fan. They DO think that. I think the criticism he is getting is not so much for being a horrible singer that day, but just being so far from the original. This could be why we will never see Perry front Journey again. Imagine him going under this much scrutiny if he is being compared to his old 80's self!!!

I think a big surprise was the return of his accent. He had almost gotten rid of it on stage the past 6 months and I think being away from US is the main cause of the accent he had Sunday.... He needs to think of US as his new home ...

...I think he should too

I don't think he should. He's on the road and it's very stressful pulling off performances night after night for many, many months. I think moving to the States would be too much of a change. Maybe a second home when he makes more money. He has other children over there and family members that he misses when he's gone. He lived there b/f the last tour and did fantastic. He said he lived like a monk and had a diction coach and was doing his exercises and also his vocal exercises. He was absolutely ready for that tour. That will be that way this time. He probably should have cut off some of the solo appearances he had been doing in December for promo of the upcoming Journey concert off by the end of the year and spent the month of January holed up doing all the things I mentioned previously he did for the first tour. I think the Philippines for right now makes him happy after being on the road. He'll do a great job in concert this tour. I've said that before. And I have no doubt.

I agree - Arnel did a great job before. He lost his focus and probably didn't realize how much of his accent had returned, but if he recognizes the problem and continues to work with a coach he should be fine. Now Jana, after all of the drama of the past week, I think it's time to resurrect the Neal Porn Thread

[Don]

Arnel's fashion and accent have come a long way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=521BVB6R ... re=related

[SherriBerry]

Arnel's fashion and accent have come a long way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=521BVB6R ... re=related

Though I prefer the shorter hair

[Voyager]

But no matter what...the people that watched Journey this past tour outnumber you at least 500 to 1.

Complain all you want...I know that this lineup has kicked ass, saw it live all over California and every time, the crowd I talked to left feeling AMAZED.

But you wouldn't know that if YOU NEVER SAW THEM.

It was the same way with Augeri.

[Vladan]

Arnel sounded just fine. Think about the type of singer he is, he's way above average. He can have an "off" night by his own standards, but he just sings that bloody good, you can't complain about the man, you just really can't complain. Be thankful Journey have a talent such as Arnel Pineda on vocals.