ARNEL COMMENTS ON SUPERBOWL

[PianoMan1986]

Thanks to "Gunbot" on this one:

Knellsky: I WAS FEELING QUITE BAD TODAY
AFTER SEEING MY OWN PERFORMANCE WITH JOURNEY
IT WAS QUITE BAD
IM SO EMBARRASED WITH JOURNEY

Arnel expressed his disappointment over his performance. That's the only review I need to see really. How many artists would come out and say that?

I don't know why we are even debating it.


Why can't people accept that the man was sick and had to commit to an obligation?

[artist4perry]

All I said was he was not up to his usual self. Everyone can have a bad day.....................He was great the night I saw him!

[weatherman90]

Is it confirmed that he had a cold? If that's the case he obviously needs some slack.

I feel for the guy - he's trying to sing the toughest music catalog there is.

[KDOUBLEU]

Thanks to "Gunbot" on this one:

Knellsky: I WAS FEELING QUITE BAD TODAY
AFTER SEEING MY OWN PERFORMANCE WITH JOURNEY
IT WAS QUITE BAD
IM SO EMBARRASED WITH JOURNEY

Arnel expressed his disappointment over his performance. That's the only review I need to see really. How many artists would come out and say that?

I don't know why we are even debating it.


Why can't people accept that the man was sick and had to commit to an obligation?

It takes alot of balls for a guy to admit he didnt do well at anything I give him alot of credit for that statement.

[Rip Rokken]

As much as I love all my AP site pals, I've never been in favor of posting transcripts of everything Arnel says in the Shout Box. He comes in to unwind with us, and is just a very down to earth and humble guy. I believe he felt his performance suffered against some other acts, but hadn't realized some he mentioned weren't using live vocals. First show back with the band after a few months of breaks, I think he did fine. He'll get back into the swing of things for sure.

[Rip Rokken]

Is it confirmed that he had a cold? If that's the case he obviously needs some slack.

I feel for the guy - he's trying to sing the toughest music catalog there is.

The climate in the U.S. is quite different from what he's used to, and it has been a constant challenge for him. He definitely needs some slack on this one.

[JRNYFan]

As much as I love all my AP site pals, I've never been in favor of posting transcripts of everything Arnel says in the Shout Box. He comes in to unwind with us, and is just a very down to earth and humble guy. I believe he felt his performance suffered against some other acts, but hadn't realized some he mentioned weren't using live vocals. First show back with the band after a few months of breaks, I think he did fine. He'll get back into the swing of things for sure.

I think so too. We're all allowed to have off day here and there.

[mdaemon]

Thanks to "Gunbot" on this one:

Knellsky: I WAS FEELING QUITE BAD TODAY
AFTER SEEING MY OWN PERFORMANCE WITH JOURNEY
IT WAS QUITE BAD
IM SO EMBARRASED WITH JOURNEY

Arnel expressed his disappointment over his performance. That's the only review I need to see really. How many artists would come out and say that?

I don't know why we are even debating it.


Why can't people accept that the man was sick and had to commit to an obligation?

Although that was his first superbowl game,

Raquel1: Arnel, was that your first Football game?
Knellsky: YES IT WAS

He knows the importance of superbowl to the Americans

Knellsky: I FEEL BAD NOW HUH
Knellsky: THEY ARE SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS ONE
SUPERBOWL, AND I HAVE LET THEM DOWN

[Don]

As much as I love all my AP site pals, I've never been in favor of posting transcripts of everything Arnel says in the Shout Box. He comes in to unwind with us, and is just a very down to earth and humble guy. I believe he felt his performance suffered against some other acts, but hadn't realized some he mentioned weren't using live vocals. First show back with the band after a few months of breaks, I think he did fine. He'll get back into the swing of things for sure.

I hear what you are saying RIP but with so many of his peeps bashing on the other performers that were there and saying how outstanding his performance was, I think this little piece shows that Arnel's fans don't speak for him and like other loons, we shouldn't equate their actions and comments with the singer himself.

To me, this comment was a great testament to Arnel's character and should have been shared with the fans here.

[PowerChords]

Arnel needs to be a prick if he wants to last in this business. Perry was a prick and a pain in the ass with Journey but guess what? He delivered the goods! What happened to Arnel never happened to Perry. If he can't hear his voice or the stage setup is messed up, he will fuckin' say so and everyone will listen and adjust. Perry is the consumate perfectionist. That's why Neal et. al gave the reins to Perry to show them the money.

[Rockindeano]

Why can't people accept that the man was sick and had to commit to an obligation?

That's the problem right there. Obligations? Dude, your obligation is to your primary employer. You know, the one who pays you 10K a night to sing live. Fundraisers are great and just, but the Super Bowl is well, tops. He should have rescheduled those other paltry obligations and for God's sake don't expect to fly overnight into Florida and expect to hit the switch. He isn't that good enough to pull that shit off.

As much as I love all my AP site pals, I've never been in favor of posting transcripts of everything Arnel says in the Shout Box. He comes in to unwind with us, and is just a very down to earth and humble guy.

That's understandable Rip, but that site hardly is a fair assessment of reality. It's a pep talk site and MR is the real barometer of actuality. I bet you 50-1 that Pineda is not allowed to post here by Journey Management, or Neal and Friga. Having said that, it suits the cause, but the folks over there are myopic. They can't see history and certainly don't respect history, with regards to Journey or music in general. Their comments on a public forum such as Youtube about Steve perry and Bruce Springsteen are just fucking retarded. They are doing their guy no favours whatsoever, and the fans of the two guys they slam are pretty numerous don't you think? That is not a smart move by an Arnel Only if you ask me. In fact, they need to be bitch slapped for some of the crap they spewed.

I believe he felt his performance suffered against some other acts, but hadn't realized some he mentioned weren't using live vocals.

What acts are you commenting about? There were a total of four; Faith Hill, Jennifer Hudson and Springsteen. 2 of those three lipped. It's really unfair to compare Journey to E Street, when Journey played to a bunch of folks killing time in the food court/beer garden, and Bruce had the most expensive stage set up and pyrotechnics show ever. I get that. However, having said that, would it not be easier to get it right, with less nerves performing your set in Journey's setting, versus 300 million at Halftime?

First show back with the band after a few months of breaks, I think he did fine. He'll get back into the swing of things for sure.

This is what I have a problem with. This is just lazy, and unprofessional on both Pineda and Journey's part. Lazy that Pineda should have A) came back to the US much earlier and practiced and B) why the fuck didn't Journey rehearse a few hundred more times? They looked they walked out of the hotel room and plugged in. Have some fucking pride. I know they know DSB in their sleep, but practice sharpens the knife. I guarantee you E Street practiced heavily on their 4 song set..over and over and over again, and it showed. When I see Friga playing guitar on DSB and the sound is definitely off, not to mention Pineda, then I am pissed. These guys have lost all respect for themselves and their history. It's sad to me. I expected more. And lest the fans who started the online petition to have them play the Super Bowl think this performance helped their cause, then I just give up.

The climate in the U.S. is quite different from what he's used to, and it has been a constant challenge for him. He definitely needs some slack on this one.

Another sad excuse. Get your ass over here weeks earlier and get acclimated. This is where the bulk of the money is going to be made, not the PI.


Now that Pineda has taken responsibility, and that is a manly thing to do, I will drop it, but the fans keep coming in and making excuses. THAT is what baffles me.

[mdaemon]

As much as I love all my AP site pals, I've never been in favor of posting transcripts of everything Arnel says in the Shout Box. He comes in to unwind with us, and is just a very down to earth and humble guy. I believe he felt his performance suffered against some other acts, but hadn't realized some he mentioned weren't using live vocals. First show back with the band after a few months of breaks, I think he did fine. He'll get back into the swing of things for sure.

I hear what you are saying RIP but with so many of his peeps bashing on the other performers that were there and saying how outstanding his performance was, I think this little piece shows that Arnel's fans don't speak for him and like other loons, we shouldn't equate their actions and comments with the singer himself.

You seem to be a smart man but I am surprised that you've only figured this out just now.

[alesson]

I have commented on AP's site that Arnel's performance was below par than usual and I almost got flamed by others and some people really agreed on my observation. I even suggested that he should make his move to the US permanently to acclimatized and get used to the environment if he really wants to make it right here.
But knowing Arnel and his passion for his craft besides his DIRE needs to sustain a living, he will come back with a vengeance.
I just hope that he don't wallow on his admittance and lose confidence.

[DrFU]

I have commented on AP's site that Arnel's performance was below par than usual and I almost got flamed by others and some people really agreed on my observation. I even suggested that he should make his move to the US permanently to acclimatized and get used to the environment if he really wants to make it right here.
But knowing Arnel and his passion for his craft besides his DIRE needs to sustain a living, he will come back with a vengeance.
I just hope that he don't wallow on his admittance and lose confidence.

I happened to catch the plok session where AP talked about the Superbowl show ... his primary concern, to me, seemed to be that he had let down his bandmates at a performance for which they all had big hopes. I'd guess that it is not his way to wallow either in self pity or in self aggrandizement

[Rick]

Well he may be feeling down because the only song we saw was DSB. It may have been an off night altogether. I think they played for an hour.

[bluejeangirl76]

Ugh.

Do I have to step in yet again and fix things with logic? Ok...

Why can't people accept that the man was sick and had to commit to an obligation?

If that was Steve Perry up there he would get ripped up one side and down the other and back again for sounding like that. If it was Augeri, or JSS - same thing. And in each case, the devoteds would come out defending with a million excuses, a la "he was sick, it was just one bad day..." whatever.

Look what happens around here... Steve Perry gets ripped apart DAILY on this board for the way he sounded 15 years ago. Augeri constantly gets ripped for the way he sounded 3 years ago. JSS gets ripped for sounding different that what "fits" with the band 2 years ago. And god damn it, the next singer is going to get ripped for the same thing.

No one is ever going to see eye to eye about Perry, Augeri, JSS, Arnel, or the next three singers, and the debates will rage on.

Everyone has bad days at their job. Arnel needs to ignore the message boards and just move on. Granted, not everyone does their job for the whole planet to see on Superbowl Sunday, but those are the breaks and that comes with fame. And it wasn't just Arnel. He's taking the flack because he's the frontman, but really, the whole thing sucked.

Can we move on with our day now?

[Onestepper]

Ugh.

Do I have to step in yet again and fix things with logic? Ok...

Why can't people accept that the man was sick and had to commit to an obligation?

If that was Steve Perry up there he would get ripped up one side and down the other and back again for sounding like that. If it was Augeri, or JSS - same thing. And in each case, the devoteds would come out defending with a million excuses, a la "he was sick, it was just one bad day..." whatever.

Look what happens around here... Steve Perry gets ripped apart DAILY on this board for the way he sounded 15 years ago. Augeri constantly gets ripped for the way he sounded 3 years ago. JSS gets ripped for sounding different that what "fits" with the band 2 years ago. And god damn it, the next singer is going to get ripped for the same thing.

No one is ever going to see eye to eye about Perry, Augeri, JSS, Arnel, or the next three singers, and the debates will rage on.

Everyone has bad days at their job. Arnel needs to ignore the message boards and just move on. Granted, not everyone does their job for the whole planet to see on Superbowl Sunday, but those are the breaks and that comes with fame. And it wasn't just Arnel. He's taking the flack because he's the frontman, but really, the whole thing sucked.

Can we move on with our day now?

It's always the quarterback that gets the fame in a win, and takes the heat in a loss. Great point. And yes, we can move on..or at least I can. I'm going to eat some chili.

[Rockindeano]

BJG and Rick- Why can't you get this? It's not that he had an "off night." It's the fact he didn't prepare and was completely unprofessional in his approach.

[bluejeangirl76]

BJG and Rick- Why can't you get this? It's not that he had an "off night." It's the fact he didn't prepare and was completely unprofessional in his approach.

I didn't disagree with that. What I said what there will always be the rabids who come out to defend it with excuses about illnesses and off-nights. I also said everyone has bad days at their jobs... and he had one... and yeah it was probably his own fault. I'm not defending it, Dean. I think it sucked like hell and that whole band is capable of better, preformance-wise. Professionalism is another matter.

[marco17]

If Arnel and the band remember anything about history, which they probably don't, there maybe some concern that this was a chance to be seen by a lot people and they didn't sound or do their best to Dean's point, not to mention, it looked like they could have cared less and didn't prepare. Some have attributed the same thing to potentially hindering the success of the Augeri led era because they didn't come off sounding that good on GMA when they started doing promotion for Arrival. Granted, I am aware that the audience for the Super Bowl pregame was far greater then those who were watching GMA, but nonetheless that performance did not do anything to help that incarnation of the band either. Bottom line is everyone has a bad day/night, whatever, Arnel has a good voice, and while he couldn't sing the catalog for long, so did Augeri, you just hope your bad day it isn't in front of a few million people on TV.

[alesson]

If Arnel and the band remember anything about history, which they probably don't, there maybe some concern that this was a chance to be seen by a lot people and they didn't sound or do their best to Dean's point, not to mention, it looked like they could have cared less and didn't prepare. Some have attributed the same thing to potentially hindering the success of the Augeri led era because they didn't come off sounding that good on GMA when they started doing promotion for Arrival. Granted, I am aware that the audience for the Super Bowl pregame was far greater then those who were watching GMA, but nonetheless that performance did not do anything to help that incarnation of the band either. Bottom line is everyone has a bad day/night, whatever, Arnel has a good voice, and while he couldn't sing the catalog for long, so did Augeri, you just hope your bad day it isn't in front of a few million people on TV.

What I don't understand is why Arnel or his manager keep on accepting offers to do side shows? I believed that days prior to the Superbowl gig, he was on a series of mini concerts with some Filipino talents.
I agreed that his approach to this was a case of carelessness or maybe un-professionalism. He should have kept his voice pristine and ready for the big gig. Obviously, he or his manager do not know the importance of being in this event. Case of being not in the American mainstream? Maybe yes or do I see some greediness in his management here?
Arnel could, if he really knows how important for the band is this gig should prevail with his manager.
In anyways, a HARD lesson for them to learn and for the Journey management, look out for the new kid in town and keep the leash reachable.

[Rick]

If Arnel and the band remember anything about history, which they probably don't, there maybe some concern that this was a chance to be seen by a lot people and they didn't sound or do their best to Dean's point, not to mention, it looked like they could have cared less and didn't prepare. Some have attributed the same thing to potentially hindering the success of the Augeri led era because they didn't come off sounding that good on GMA when they started doing promotion for Arrival. Granted, I am aware that the audience for the Super Bowl pregame was far greater then those who were watching GMA, but nonetheless that performance did not do anything to help that incarnation of the band either. Bottom line is everyone has a bad day/night, whatever, Arnel has a good voice, and while he couldn't sing the catalog for long, so did Augeri, you just hope your bad day it isn't in front of a few million people on TV.

What I don't understand is why Arnel or his manager keep on accepting offers to do side shows? I believed that days prior to the Superbowl gig, he was on a series of mini concerts with some Filipino talents.
I agreed that his approach to this was a case of carelessness or maybe un-professionalism. He should have kept his voice pristine and ready for the big gig. Obviously, he or his manager do not know the importance of being in this event. Case of being not in the American mainstream? Maybe yes or do I see some greediness in his management here?
Arnel could, if he really knows how important for the band is this gig should prevail with his manager.
In anyways, a HARD lesson for them to learn and for the Journey management, look out for the new kid in town and keep the leash reachable.

I wouldn't disregard Journey in this matter, either. I'm sure they figure extra exposure for AP could only be good for the band. And I'd bet a dollar to a dime that they all agreed on everything, so all commitments could be met. I'd also bet that AP isn't the only Journey member to ever show up in less than "ready" condition.

[Blueskies]

Besides the roughness of the performance my question is who decided to change up the song and put some weird little twist to it and why they didn't think that would require even more rehearsal? Was the change intentional and planned in advance? If they wanted to give it a change for the Superbowl so it would be a little different then how it's classically been done .ok..but it makes me wonder why they would not have rehearsed it to death beforehand. If done the way it has always been done they should have had rehearsals to fine tune and warm up but it seems to me that with changing it then that would be an added reason to really rehearse it even more...so this just comes across as a "Hey, when youre done with your other gigs in Cali or wherever then zoom on over to Florida and we'll meet ya at the Superbowl on the day. We'll just hit the stage and fly by the seat of our pants".

[Rick]

Besides the roughness of the performance my question is who decided to change up the song and put some weird little twist to it and why they didn't think that would require even more rehearsal? If they wanted to give it a change for the Superbowl so it would be a little different then how it's classically been done .ok..but it makes me wonder why they would not have rehearsed it to death beforehand. If done the way it has always been done they should have had rehearsals to fine tune and warm up but it seems to me that with changing it then that would be an added reason to really rehearse it even more...so this just comes across as a "Hey, when youre done with your other gigs in Cali or wherever then zoom on over to Florida and we'll meet ya at the superbowl on the day. We'll just hit the stage and fly by the seat of our pants".

Agreed. I did like they way they changed it up though. Eric Ragno (MRKBPOTY) didn't care for it because he's a keyboard player, and he was ready to hear the keys when they were supposed to be there, but I liked the guitar because it rocked it up a bit. And for me, that's always a good thing.

[Don]

If Arnel and the band remember anything about history, which they probably don't, there maybe some concern that this was a chance to be seen by a lot people and they didn't sound or do their best to Dean's point, not to mention, it looked like they could have cared less and didn't prepare. Some have attributed the same thing to potentially hindering the success of the Augeri led era because they didn't come off sounding that good on GMA when they started doing promotion for Arrival. Granted, I am aware that the audience for the Super Bowl pregame was far greater then those who were watching GMA, but nonetheless that performance did not do anything to help that incarnation of the band either. Bottom line is everyone has a bad day/night, whatever, Arnel has a good voice, and while he couldn't sing the catalog for long, so did Augeri, you just hope your bad day it isn't in front of a few million people on TV.

What I don't understand is why Arnel or his manager keep on accepting offers to do side shows? I believed that days prior to the Superbowl gig, he was on a series of mini concerts with some Filipino talents.
I agreed that his approach to this was a case of carelessness or maybe un-professionalism. He should have kept his voice pristine and ready for the big gig. Obviously, he or his manager do not know the importance of being in this event. Case of being not in the American mainstream? Maybe yes or do I see some greediness in his management here?
Arnel could, if he really knows how important for the band is this gig should prevail with his manager.
In anyways, a HARD lesson for them to learn and for the Journey management, look out for the new kid in town and keep the leash reachable.

My problem is the bands health. Most Acts start hitting the road in January. With Ross and Jon nearing social security age and Arnel having problems with cold weather there window for touring seems to be shortening. Groups today make most of their money off of touring. Royalties from the older records are great for Neal, Jon and Ross but that doesn't help Arnel or Deen, who still need to earn their living from this job,especially without songwriting royalties to live off. They have got to find a way to get back on the road, with out these long breaks in between. Revelation has fallen off the map already. Just space the dates so there aren't that many back to back shows but keep in rotation so The radio will keep mentioning your name.

[S2M]

The sad thing, to me, is that everyone knew that that would be the song played/broadcast....like they don't have other good songs, you know?

And if you are given a chance to showcase that you aren't ready for the wheelchairs yet, it would behoove you to actually try....

[Rip Rokken]

As much as I love all my AP site pals, I've never been in favor of posting transcripts of everything Arnel says in the Shout Box. He comes in to unwind with us, and is just a very down to earth and humble guy. I believe he felt his performance suffered against some other acts, but hadn't realized some he mentioned weren't using live vocals. First show back with the band after a few months of breaks, I think he did fine. He'll get back into the swing of things for sure.

I hear what you are saying RIP but with so many of his peeps bashing on the other performers that were there and saying how outstanding his performance was, I think this little piece shows that Arnel's fans don't speak for him and like other loons, we shouldn't equate their actions and comments with the singer himself.

To me, this comment was a great testament to Arnel's character and should have been shared with the fans here.

You are right, and from that perspective I completely agree with you. As well intentioned as most fans are, none of them can truly speak for the artist. Overzealous fans can also start trouble with the kinds of opinions you mentioned, when they mean to help. Ya know, anything AP says in the public Shout Box is fair game... that's just the nature of the Internet. Naturally, it restricts how much he can really loosen up around people there, but in this case, he was really open about his feelings on his performance.

I should amend my previous statement... Though I don't enjoy seeing every Shout Box visit transcripted, I'm more against the practice of sharing private e-mails or conversations, and that happens sometimes. When I'm lucky enough to spend time or communicate with the pros, I try to keep it closer to the vest. When it comes to that stuff, they'll always be more open when they know it won't get passed around or posted.

Sorry I kinda rambled... exhausted today... LOL.

[Andrew]

The sad thing, to me, is that everyone knew that that would be the song played/broadcast....like they don't have other good songs, you know?

They HAD to do that song. The popularity of it amongst the general public dictated that was their only choice. The die-hards would love something different/cool, but that woud have detracted from the PR that playing DSB attracted.

[Blueskies]

Besides the roughness of the performance my question is who decided to change up the song and put some weird little twist to it and why they didn't think that would require even more rehearsal? If they wanted to give it a change for the Superbowl so it would be a little different then how it's classically been done .ok..but it makes me wonder why they would not have rehearsed it to death beforehand. If done the way it has always been done they should have had rehearsals to fine tune and warm up but it seems to me that with changing it then that would be an added reason to really rehearse it even more...so this just comes across as a "Hey, when youre done with your other gigs in Cali or wherever then zoom on over to Florida and we'll meet ya at the superbowl on the day. We'll just hit the stage and fly by the seat of our pants".

Agreed. I did like they way they changed it up though. Eric Ragno (MRKBPOTY) didn't care for it because he's a keyboard player, and he was ready to hear the keys when they were supposed to be there, but I liked the guitar because it rocked it up a bit. And for me, that's always a good thing.

It might have been a cool change if they had been polished like fine silver and AP was in good voice.

[Don]

As much as I love all my AP site pals, I've never been in favor of posting transcripts of everything Arnel says in the Shout Box. He comes in to unwind with us, and is just a very down to earth and humble guy. I believe he felt his performance suffered against some other acts, but hadn't realized some he mentioned weren't using live vocals. First show back with the band after a few months of breaks, I think he did fine. He'll get back into the swing of things for sure.

I hear what you are saying RIP but with so many of his peeps bashing on the other performers that were there and saying how outstanding his performance was, I think this little piece shows that Arnel's fans don't speak for him and like other loons, we shouldn't equate their actions and comments with the singer himself.

To me, this comment was a great testament to Arnel's character and should have been shared with the fans here.

You are right, and from that perspective I completely agree with you. As well intentioned as most fans are, none of them can truly speak for the artist. Overzealous fans can also start trouble with the kinds of opinions you mentioned, when they mean to help. Ya know, anything AP says in the public Shout Box is fair game... that's just the nature of the Internet. Naturally, it restricts how much he can really loosen up around people there, but in this case, he was really open about his feelings on his performance.

I should amend my previous statement... Though I don't enjoy seeing every Shout Box visit transcripted, I'm more against the practice of sharing private e-mails or conversations, and that happens sometimes. When I'm lucky enough to spend time or communicate with the pros, I try to keep it closer to the vest. When it comes to that stuff, they'll always be more open when they know it won't get passed around or posted.

Sorry I kinda rambled... exhausted today... LOL.

I don't think you will see many more transcripts here in the future, as most of it is informal chatter and doesn't need to be spread out about the net This was a hot topic and spinning everywhere so I think we just needed to have the situation set straight, for better or worse and that was accomplished to some degree.