OT - Christian Bale Goes Ape ____ On the Set of Terminator

[Rhiannon]

"Number One, if I leaned over and whispered in your ear that Commander Warf's head looks like a fanny, would you join me in a laugh?"

A rancid taco maybe... I always thought it looked more like a Cornish pasty!

Indeed it does, however, I was quoting Family Guy...!



Number One says, "Sure." Picard goes, "Alright then, here it comes [shouting] COMMANDER WARF'S HEAD LOOKS LIKE A FANNY." Everyone laughs (pictured above) and Warf says, "Suck my ridges." *I watch too much Family Guy...*

[finalfight]

"Number One, if I leaned over and whispered in your ear that Commander Warf's head looks like a fanny, would you join me in a laugh?"

A rancid taco maybe... I always thought it looked more like a Cornish pasty!

Indeed it does, however, I was quoting Family Guy...!



Number One says, "Sure." Picard goes, "Alright then, here it comes [shouting] COMMANDER WARF'S HEAD LOOKS LIKE A FANNY." Everyone laughs (pictured above) and Warf says, "Suck my ridges." *I watch too much Family Guy...*

I don't remember that one and i am usually good for Family Guy quotes. Shame on me!

[SF-Dano]

I am sure stuff like that happens on sets all the time. It is obvious Bale has a temper, but this is getting blown out of proportion. While working in the construction business, rants like this were daily (if not multiple times) occurences from PMs, Foremen, and bosses. Bales rant didn't even phase me. I thought it was kind of funny actually.

[finalfight]

In any other workplace this wouldn't be acceptable and likely grounds for a lawsuit. Let's see what happens with this one...

[StoneCold]

Bale will still have a career. As follows:

Batman 3 - The Angry Man
Terminator 5 - I'm A Robot Now
Batman 4 - Where The DP's Are
Terminator 6 - I'm Still A Robot, They Won't Let Me Talk
Batman 5 - Bruce Wayne Loses Everything
Machinist 2 - Withered Away - Straight to Video

And th, th, that's all folks.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Bale will still have a career. As follows:

Batman 3 - The Angry Man
Terminator 5 - I'm A Robot Now
Batman 4 - Where The DP's Are
Terminator 6 - I'm Still A Robot, They Won't Let Me Talk
Batman 5 - Bruce Wayne Loses Everything
Machinist 2 - Withered Away - Straight to Video

And th, th, that's all folks.

Maybe the next one he does will be about anger management. Seriously the guy must have had some other issues going on and that rant on the set was how he vented it. Maybe he just realized that his penis was extremely small or something contrary to what all his previous girlfriends in the past had said to him strictly in fear that he'd of kick their asses for being truthful about it. He was anything but rational during that episode and obviously he's a very troubled individual.

[artist4perry]

"Number One, if I leaned over and whispered in your ear that Commander Warf's head looks like a fanny, would you join me in a laugh?"

A rancid taco maybe... I always thought it looked more like a Cornish pasty!

Indeed it does, however, I was quoting Family Guy...!



Number One says, "Sure." Picard goes, "Alright then, here it comes [shouting] COMMANDER WARF'S HEAD LOOKS LIKE A FANNY." Everyone laughs (pictured above) and Warf says, "Suck my ridges." *I watch too much Family Guy...*

Looks like they mashed Wharfs head in a turtle shell to me......

I love family guy!

[SherriBerry]

I can't believe anyone would defend Bale's vitriolic, abusive rant. An angry 'WTH are you doing?' and 'don't ever do it again' is one thing, but this outburst went on far too long. It was not the DP "egging" Bale on - most of the other comments were from someone else trying to calm the situation. Bale called him Bruce, so I am assuming that is Bruce Franklin, an associate producer and assistant director. Bale was the one who kept on screaming at the DP and demanding to know what he was doing and finally he tried to answer him - how dare he speak, because actually explaining himself was apparently unacceptable. The DP said three things and that included a profuse apology. As for turning around and walking away, who here is naive enough to believe that Bale would not have gone after this guy for daring to walk away before he was finished tearing him down?

I've also read published articles of Bale's famous behaviour on set and it goes back at least as far as 'Metroland'. How many people are nicknamed Tandy because of a penchant for childish temper tantrums? How professional. So far it is tolerated because he is a box office draw and Hollywood is about money. As I said previously, one or two major flops and no one will answer his phone calls. As for how long the scene had taken, etc., no one knows and it is irrelevant. If the shot isn't lit properly because a light is out, chances are it would have to be reshot and God help everybody. The idea that he is some great actor who knows how to get a movie made is a load of crap. He is a great actor, but does anyone look at how many credits there are at the end of a movie? It takes more than one person to get a movie made and the crew who work on set deserve to be treated with respect. If they make a mistake they need to be called on it, but not like this. And it isn't like lives are at stake. In no other workplace is this considered acceptable and just because Bale is a movie star does not give him the right to abuse and humiliate others.

[finalfight]

http://perezhilton.com/2009-02-05-every ... le-ing-out

[Rhiannon]

http://perezhilton.com/2009-02-05-everyone-is-bale-ing-out

That was amazing.

[finalfight]

http://perezhilton.com/2009-02-05-everyone-is-bale-ing-out

That was amazing.

Glad it was as good for you as it was for me!

Let's go for two...

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[Vladan]

Time to relax people

The man has spoken.

Director Ron Howard was on Howard Stern today discussing his daughter Bryce Howard's reaction to the Christian Bale rant. Bryce Howard was filming a scene opposite Christian Bale the night of the rant. Ron Howard told Stern his daughter Bryce called him immediately following the freak-out and said she had "a really weird night" on the set.

Ron Howard says he has listened to the Christian Bale rant and understands what Bale was going through. Ron Howard says it was a very intense scene and the director of photography was disturbing the set, which is a big-time no-no in Hollywood. Ron Howard says Christian Bale is a very emotional actor and felt awful about the rant and apologized to everyone on the set the next day. The DP of the film was never fired. Bryce Howard and Christian Bale went on to film the rest of the movie without any drama.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?a ... Groupspace

[finalfight]

Time to relax people

The man has spoken.

Dude, it's only Ritchie from Happy Days. The Fonz was the man.

[Rhiannon]

Ron Howard says he has listened to the Christian Bale rant and understands what Bale was going through. Ron Howard says it was a very intense scene and the director of photography was disturbing the set, which is a big-time no-no in Hollywood. Ron Howard says Christian Bale is a very emotional actor and felt awful about the rant and apologized to everyone on the set the next day. The DP of the film was never fired. Bryce Howard and Christian Bale went on to film the rest of the movie without any drama.

So basically, Opie's sayin Chrissy is an emo primadonna who had a bad case of PMS?

[TRAGChick]

According to the Showbiz Blog on WPLJ 95.5 New York this morning, this DP is a real jackass.

He has effed up just like this on OTHER projects....apparently, according to this report, people are now APPLAUDING CB for his rant!

This DP has been known to tell people to "Go stab yourself in the head and DIE!"

[finalfight]

According to the Showbiz Blog on WPLJ 95.5 New York this morning, this DP is a real jackass.

He has effed up just like this on OTHER projects....apparently, according to this report, people are now APPLAUDING CB for his rant!

This DP has been known to tell people to "Go stab yourself in the head and DIE!"

Doesn't seem to have been reported anywhere else as yet. Did the DJ of this bastion of world news also mention that Steve Perry was due to release an album before November?

[TRAGChick]

According to the Showbiz Blog on WPLJ 95.5 New York this morning, this DP is a real jackass.

He has effed up just like this on OTHER projects....apparently, according to this report, people are now APPLAUDING CB for his rant!

This DP has been known to tell people to "Go stab yourself in the head and DIE!"

Doesn't seem to have been reported anywhere else as yet. Did the DJ of this bastion of world news also mention that Steve Perry was due to release an album before November?

Here:
http://videogum.com/archives/behind-the ... 50851.html

Sounds like they're BOTH tools....they deserve each other!

But before we move on, there is one final update on the story from Radar (with an addendum from Defamer) that is stirring the pot anew, and which I figured we might as well address. It concerns Shane Halbut, the DP target of Bale's tirade, and what people think of him.

From Radar:

Bale became a hero to cast and crew after his tirade against Hurlbut, who was widely despised, sources tell RadarOnline.com exclusively. "Hurlbut was a condescending (bleep) to everyone," a source told us. His favorite line was "Why don't you go stab yourself in the head, you idiot."

Maybe Bale's not such a bad guy after all.

And then this "corroboration" from Defamer:

I was on the crew of another film Shane was recently DP on and he was despised. Crew hated him - actors had hard time. He would tell his crew, if he was displeased with them, to "Stab themselves in the heart and die." or "Blow yourself up." On this film he would constantly re-light when actors got to set and tweak during takes - it was bad.

The problem with these reports is that contrary to their intentions, they don't actually make Christian Bale not an asshole. Sure, they cloud things by making it into a story about one major league asshole screaming at another major league asshole, but that doesn't then make the first major league asshole a major league nice, well-rounded person with a good sense of perspective about his actual place in the world. In this situation, Christian Bale is still a fucking jerk. And in the relationship between these two men, he's the more powerful jerk (by a matter of many degrees), so it is actually the exact same power relationship and inappropriately aggressive reprimand that everyone is degrading Halbut for. In Standard Aptitude Test terminology, Christian Bale is to Shane Halbut as Shane Halbut is to the browbeaten intern.

[finalfight]

According to the Showbiz Blog on WPLJ 95.5 New York this morning, this DP is a real jackass.

He has effed up just like this on OTHER projects....apparently, according to this report, people are now APPLAUDING CB for his rant!

This DP has been known to tell people to "Go stab yourself in the head and DIE!"

Doesn't seem to have been reported anywhere else as yet. Did the DJ of this bastion of world news also mention that Steve Perry was due to release an album before November?

Here:
http://videogum.com/archives/behind-the ... 50851.html

Sounds like they're BOTH tools....they deserve each other!

But before we move on, there is one final update on the story from Radar (with an addendum from Defamer) that is stirring the pot anew, and which I figured we might as well address. It concerns Shane Halbut, the DP target of Bale's tirade, and what people think of him.

From Radar:

Bale became a hero to cast and crew after his tirade against Hurlbut, who was widely despised, sources tell RadarOnline.com exclusively. "Hurlbut was a condescending (bleep) to everyone," a source told us. His favorite line was "Why don't you go stab yourself in the head, you idiot."

Maybe Bale's not such a bad guy after all.

And then this "corroboration" from Defamer:

I was on the crew of another film Shane was recently DP on and he was despised. Crew hated him - actors had hard time. He would tell his crew, if he was displeased with them, to "Stab themselves in the heart and die." or "Blow yourself up." On this film he would constantly re-light when actors got to set and tweak during takes - it was bad.

The problem with these reports is that contrary to their intentions, they don't actually make Christian Bale not an asshole. Sure, they cloud things by making it into a story about one major league asshole screaming at another major league asshole, but that doesn't then make the first major league asshole a major league nice, well-rounded person with a good sense of perspective about his actual place in the world. In this situation, Christian Bale is still a fucking jerk. And in the relationship between these two men, he's the more powerful jerk (by a matter of many degrees), so it is actually the exact same power relationship and inappropriately aggressive reprimand that everyone is degrading Halbut for. In Standard Aptitude Test terminology, Christian Bale is to Shane Halbut as Shane Halbut is to the browbeaten intern.

Both unsubstantiated reports from little known gossip sites. Who knows, we'll see what transpires but remember midway through his rant Bale says the DP (Giggety! ) is a 'nice guy'.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Time to relax people

The man has spoken.

Director Ron Howard was on Howard Stern today discussing his daughter Bryce Howard's reaction to the Christian Bale rant. Bryce Howard was filming a scene opposite Christian Bale the night of the rant. Ron Howard told Stern his daughter Bryce called him immediately following the freak-out and said she had "a really weird night" on the set.

Ron Howard says he has listened to the Christian Bale rant and understands what Bale was going through. Ron Howard says it was a very intense scene and the director of photography was disturbing the set, which is a big-time no-no in Hollywood. Ron Howard says Christian Bale is a very emotional actor and felt awful about the rant and apologized to everyone on the set the next day. The DP of the film was never fired. Bryce Howard and Christian Bale went on to film the rest of the movie without any drama.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?a ... Groupspace

Thank God for Ron Howard, now everything is ok now that Ron said it is. Ron Howard should be trying to grow some hair instead.

[Vladan]

Time to relax people

The man has spoken.

Dude, it's only Ritchie from Happy Days. The Fonz was the man.

Ah! yes you are quite right on that, Fonz was the man! Ritchie was actually kind of a pain really

So basically, Opie's sayin Chrissy is an emo primadonna who had a bad case of PMS?

Yes it seems to be the case, though! I've been on a few sets, even had a role in a feature film here in Australia, and I understand where Bale was coming from, but having said that - in my opinion, it could of been handled in a more diplomatic way, because who listens to you when you are "raising your voice, almost to the point where its going to break" and the longer it drags on, you start talking more nonsense then sense, gotta keep a cool head, be upset sure, but don't let it OVERWHELM you, like it did in Bales case, hence his apology. It's just a huge waist of energy really, and makes us look stupid (even IF we were in the right, in the first place).

Look like everyone moved on ages ago anyway, I heard this was old news too.

[artist4perry]

According to the Showbiz Blog on WPLJ 95.5 New York this morning, this DP is a real jackass.

He has effed up just like this on OTHER projects....apparently, according to this report, people are now APPLAUDING CB for his rant!

This DP has been known to tell people to "Go stab yourself in the head and DIE!"

Doesn't seem to have been reported anywhere else as yet. Did the DJ of this bastion of world news also mention that Steve Perry was due to release an album before November?

Ooooooooooh! Love it when you throw around the big words!

[SherriBerry]

Sorry, but if this DP is such a hated screwup, why was he working on a movie of this magnitude with a perfectionist like Bale? It sounds like the knives may be out for this guy to protect Bale. As for Ron Howard, his daughter is starring in this movie and everyone is in damage control. When Russell Crowe hit a desk clerk in New York with a phone, he lost a huge following and the movie he was promoting at the time (Cinderella Man directed by Ron Howard) flopped at the box office. There is a lot at stake in salvaging Bale's reputation. Here's a different example:

Back in 1988, Diane Keaton was filming a gutwrenching scene for the movie 'The Good Mother'. After she finished, she went back to her trailer to collect herself. In the meantime, the director Leonard Nimoy realized his assistant had loaded the wrong type of film in the camera and the scene had to be reshot. Nimoy went to Keaton's trailer, explained what had happened and asked her to reshoot the scene. She accepted the news with grace, asked for some time to prepare herself, came out and gave another stellar performance without one word of reprimand to the assistant. THAT is a professional.

[Vladan]

Back in 1988, Diane Keaton was filming a gutwrenching scene for the movie 'The Good Mother'. After she finished, she went back to her trailer to collect herself. In the meantime, the director Leonard Nimoy realized his assistant had loaded the wrong type of film in the camera and the scene had to be reshot. Nimoy went to Keaton's trailer, explained what had happened and asked her to reshoot the scene. She accepted the news with grace, asked for some time to prepare herself, came out and gave another stellar performance without one word of reprimand to the assistant. THAT is a professional.

Obviously, and I have doubt in my mind that if Christian Bale was in the same situation, he would of done the same as Diane Keaton. The problem here is, that it was it a completely different scenario. An "Intense Scene" and to get that level of intensity, you have live, breathe, become the character, and so you are literally switching personalities, and you can't just switch it off at will sometimes, you just simply cannot, when you are in that frame of mind, that's it, you are that character. It really is serious business, and not a tea party.

I'd like to see how anyone in the same situation would of handled it better, considering the DP was disturbing the scene, that sort of stuff doesn't even happen in short films. The only way people will understand where Bale was coming from, is they would have to be involved in the production, involved in perhaps other types of productions where lots of factors come in to play or! have been involved in film at some point in their lives. It's very easy to say "this" and "that" but it really is a different world, film making, different rules apply when there other factors at play, such as big time investors, time, money, deadlines, because at the end of the day, it effects everybody.

[SherriBerry]

Back in 1988, Diane Keaton was filming a gutwrenching scene for the movie 'The Good Mother'. After she finished, she went back to her trailer to collect herself. In the meantime, the director Leonard Nimoy realized his assistant had loaded the wrong type of film in the camera and the scene had to be reshot. Nimoy went to Keaton's trailer, explained what had happened and asked her to reshoot the scene. She accepted the news with grace, asked for some time to prepare herself, came out and gave another stellar performance without one word of reprimand to the assistant. THAT is a professional.

Obviously, and I have doubt in my mind that if Christian Bale was in the same situation, he would of done the same as Diane Keaton. The problem here is, that it was it a completely different scenario. An "Intense Scene" and to get that level of intensity, you have live, breathe, become the character, and so you are literally switching personalities, and you can't just switch it off at will sometimes, you just simply cannot, when you are in that frame of mind, that's it, you are that character. I'd like to see how anyone in the same situation would of handled it better, considering the DP was disturbing the scene, that sort of stuff doesn't even happen in short films. The only way people will understand where Bale was coming from, is they would have to be involved in the production, or! have been involved in film at some point in their lives. It's very easy to say "this" and "that" but it really is a different world, film making, different rules apply when there other factors at play, such as big time investors, time, money, deadlines, because at the end of the day, it effects everybody.

Keaton was filming an intense scene - that is why she needed time to prepare and collect herself again. I doubt this is the only film set where a crew member ever made a mistake. How many clips are out there of actors such as Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, Will Smith, or any other major actor screaming like this? No excuses.

[Vladan]

Back in 1988, Diane Keaton was filming a gutwrenching scene for the movie 'The Good Mother'. After she finished, she went back to her trailer to collect herself. In the meantime, the director Leonard Nimoy realized his assistant had loaded the wrong type of film in the camera and the scene had to be reshot. Nimoy went to Keaton's trailer, explained what had happened and asked her to reshoot the scene. She accepted the news with grace, asked for some time to prepare herself, came out and gave another stellar performance without one word of reprimand to the assistant. THAT is a professional.

Obviously, and I have doubt in my mind that if Christian Bale was in the same situation, he would of done the same as Diane Keaton. The problem here is, that it was it a completely different scenario. An "Intense Scene" and to get that level of intensity, you have live, breathe, become the character, and so you are literally switching personalities, and you can't just switch it off at will sometimes, you just simply cannot, when you are in that frame of mind, that's it, you are that character. I'd like to see how anyone in the same situation would of handled it better, considering the DP was disturbing the scene, that sort of stuff doesn't even happen in short films. The only way people will understand where Bale was coming from, is they would have to be involved in the production, or! have been involved in film at some point in their lives. It's very easy to say "this" and "that" but it really is a different world, film making, different rules apply when there other factors at play, such as big time investors, time, money, deadlines, because at the end of the day, it effects everybody.

Keaton was filming an intense scene - that is why she needed time to prepare and collect herself again. I doubt this is the only film set where a crew member ever made a mistake. How many clips are out there of actors such as Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, Will Smith, or any other major actor screaming like this? No excuses.

How may clips surfaced? probably not many, how many times actors go nuts on a set? welcome to film making, it happens all the time, all the time. And I can assure you, at the time of the incident (right or wrong) Bale was speaking on the behalf of the entire crew.

Thank you.

[SherriBerry]

Back in 1988, Diane Keaton was filming a gutwrenching scene for the movie 'The Good Mother'. After she finished, she went back to her trailer to collect herself. In the meantime, the director Leonard Nimoy realized his assistant had loaded the wrong type of film in the camera and the scene had to be reshot. Nimoy went to Keaton's trailer, explained what had happened and asked her to reshoot the scene. She accepted the news with grace, asked for some time to prepare herself, came out and gave another stellar performance without one word of reprimand to the assistant. THAT is a professional.

Obviously, and I have doubt in my mind that if Christian Bale was in the same situation, he would of done the same as Diane Keaton. The problem here is, that it was it a completely different scenario. An "Intense Scene" and to get that level of intensity, you have live, breathe, become the character, and so you are literally switching personalities, and you can't just switch it off at will sometimes, you just simply cannot, when you are in that frame of mind, that's it, you are that character. I'd like to see how anyone in the same situation would of handled it better, considering the DP was disturbing the scene, that sort of stuff doesn't even happen in short films. The only way people will understand where Bale was coming from, is they would have to be involved in the production, or! have been involved in film at some point in their lives. It's very easy to say "this" and "that" but it really is a different world, film making, different rules apply when there other factors at play, such as big time investors, time, money, deadlines, because at the end of the day, it effects everybody.

Keaton was filming an intense scene - that is why she needed time to prepare and collect herself again. I doubt this is the only film set where a crew member ever made a mistake. How many clips are out there of actors such as Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, Will Smith, or any other major actor screaming like this? No excuses.

How may clips surfaced? probably not many, how many times actors go nuts on a set? welcome to film making, it happens all the time, all the time. And I can assure you, at the time of the incident (right or wrong) Bale was speaking on the behalf of the entire crew.

Thank you.

There is no doubt that puffed up celebrities throw hissy fits on set - that gets reported often enough. What is different is this particularly vicious rant targeted at one person who was trying to do his job. It isn't like his cell phone went off. As for different rules applying in terms of money, time, deadlines, etc., if you've been in the industry you are aware of how often there are delays and budgets go over because the star shows up late, is too drunk/hungover, or decides he doesn't like something and refuses to do a scene, but the star is not taken to task for consistently unprofessional behaviour as long as the movie makes money. The difference is this DP was trying to do his job and made a mistake. It happens to everyone and if he had been consistently doing so during the production, he would have been fired. But to say the entire crew applauded this humiliation is a total crock. You weren't there either.

[Don]

Time to relax people

The man has spoken.

Director Ron Howard was on Howard Stern today discussing his daughter Bryce Howard's reaction to the Christian Bale rant. Bryce Howard was filming a scene opposite Christian Bale the night of the rant. Ron Howard told Stern his daughter Bryce called him immediately following the freak-out and said she had "a really weird night" on the set.

Ron Howard says he has listened to the Christian Bale rant and understands what Bale was going through. Ron Howard says it was a very intense scene and the director of photography was disturbing the set, which is a big-time no-no in Hollywood. Ron Howard says Christian Bale is a very emotional actor and felt awful about the rant and apologized to everyone on the set the next day. The DP of the film was never fired. Bryce Howard and Christian Bale went on to film the rest of the movie without any drama.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?a ... Groupspace

Thank God for Ron Howard, now everything is ok now that Ron said it is. Ron Howard should be trying to grow some hair instead.

Actually, Bale has come and and admitted he went overboard.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7875756.stm

[Vladan]

Yeah, he did.

Now now SherriBerry, show some love. Tell me, you wouldn't let this guy take you home and make you feel like a teenager again? hahaha

[SherriBerry]

Yeah, he did.

Now now SherriBerry, show some love. Tell me, you wouldn't let this guy take you home and make you feel like a teenager again? hahaha

Bale is the only reason I own a copy of 'Little Women' on DVD. If he sends out the 'Bat Signal'...

[Gideon]

I can't believe anyone would defend Bale's vitriolic, abusive rant. An angry 'WTH are you doing?' and 'don't ever do it again' is one thing, but this outburst went on far too long. It was not the DP "egging" Bale on - most of the other comments were from someone else trying to calm the situation. Bale called him Bruce, so I am assuming that is Bruce Franklin, an associate producer and assistant director. Bale was the one who kept on screaming at the DP and demanding to know what he was doing and finally he tried to answer him - how dare he speak, because actually explaining himself was apparently unacceptable. The DP said three things and that included a profuse apology. As for turning around and walking away, who here is naive enough to believe that Bale would not have gone after this guy for daring to walk away before he was finished tearing him down?

I've also read published articles of Bale's famous behaviour on set and it goes back at least as far as 'Metroland'. How many people are nicknamed Tandy because of a penchant for childish temper tantrums? How professional. So far it is tolerated because he is a box office draw and Hollywood is about money. As I said previously, one or two major flops and no one will answer his phone calls. As for how long the scene had taken, etc., no one knows and it is irrelevant. If the shot isn't lit properly because a light is out, chances are it would have to be reshot and God help everybody. The idea that he is some great actor who knows how to get a movie made is a load of crap. He is a great actor, but does anyone look at how many credits there are at the end of a movie? It takes more than one person to get a movie made and the crew who work on set deserve to be treated with respect. If they make a mistake they need to be called on it, but not like this. And it isn't like lives are at stake. In no other workplace is this considered acceptable and just because Bale is a movie star does not give him the right to abuse and humiliate others.

The only way that this post could be any better is if I had been the one to hit the submit button.