Journey Wikipedia Entry

[madsplash]

I was just looking around at this and if this isn't a resume to get a band into the Rock and Roll Hall fo Fame, I don't know what is. Not that I really CARE about that place, but this kinda sums up the case and it's a strong one.



Notice the words, first, unique, raised, shape, form, invent, contributed, new standard. These are terms that the HOF claims you HAVE to have to associated with your music, not just sales and popularity, which we know Journey has a ton of.




Legacy and Influences
Journey continues to be one of the most successful American rock bands of all time. They not only contributed to the success of MTV during its first few months of existence, but also helped to shape American pop music during the 1980s. Often credited as being one of the first bands to invent the "power ballad", they made it acceptable for male rock singers to sing slow love songs. With ballads such as "Open Arms," "Faithfully," "Who’s Crying Now," "When You Love a Woman," and "Lights," they help to form the softer side of rock music. Their musical style is unique, using mostly pianos and synthesizers in most songs, along with the identifiable sounds of the air drum, and frequent electric guitar licks. Many of the songs include a guitar solo at the end, highlighting the dose of harder edged rock, mixed with the strong vocals of slower love songs.[36]

Journey was one of the first bands to host coast-to-coast stadium tours which attracted more than 60,000 fans. The production value of the stadium tours raised the stakes for rock concerts. With giant painted scrims covering the speakers and 60-foot video screens on each side of the stage, people could see the band as far as a quarter mile away. Their state-of-the-art computerized lighting system set a new standard for rock concert production. Even other music artists took notice of the elaborate stage designs. The band's production company, Nocturne, rented identical systems to such acts as Simon and Garfunkel, David Bowie, and The Police.[37]

Artists that have cited Journey as an influence include Chris Daughtry, The Outfield, Nickelback, Creed, Matchbox Twenty, Tall Stories, Garth Brooks, Bon Jovi, Josh Groban, and Shania Twain.[38]

[NealIsGod]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

[bluejeangirl76]

Notice the words, first, unique, raised, shape, form, invent, contributed, new standard. These are terms that the HOF claims you HAVE to have to associated with your music, not just sales and popularity, which we know Journey has a ton of.

Yes but don't forget, anyone can add to or edit wikipedia entries. That's clearly an opinion thrown in by god only knows who. Not to say that you're wrong about it, MS, but I doubt the RRHOF is selecting potential inductees by what's written on wikipedia.

(Neal and Jon probably wrote that. )

[NealIsGod]

They should be inducted for giving the world the E5C4P3 and Frontiers albums alone.

[Moon Beam]

They should be inducted for giving the world the E5C4P3 and Frontiers albums alone.

If not for how they spelled Escape on the album!

[madsplash]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

That's a decent argument. I've also heard that Nazerath's Love Hurts was the first.
While I like both of those songs, neither have the big sweeping melody and power chords that Open Arms has, IMO.

[madsplash]

Notice the words, first, unique, raised, shape, form, invent, contributed, new standard. These are terms that the HOF claims you HAVE to have to associated with your music, not just sales and popularity, which we know Journey has a ton of.

Yes but don't forget, anyone can add to or edit wikipedia entries. That's clearly an opinion thrown in by god only knows who. Not to say that you're wrong about it, MS, but I doubt the RRHOF is selecting potential inductees by what's written on wikipedia.

(Neal and Jon probably wrote that. )

I understand that, BJG, but can anyone really argue that all of that isn't fact? I don't think you can. It's all pretty researchable. The Hall sucks anyway, IMO, I'm just showing that they're hypocritical. You can't just have popularity, you have to be influential on the history of rock and roll. Well Journey has. A hell of a lot more than Grandmaster Flash and Run DMC.

[brywool]

"Babe".... ugh....


Actually, it's a decent song, but it was what came after that pretty much killed Styx. Too bad (though Cyclorama kicks ass!)
Babe was the beginning of the end.

[bluejeangirl76]

Notice the words, first, unique, raised, shape, form, invent, contributed, new standard. These are terms that the HOF claims you HAVE to have to associated with your music, not just sales and popularity, which we know Journey has a ton of.

Yes but don't forget, anyone can add to or edit wikipedia entries. That's clearly an opinion thrown in by god only knows who. Not to say that you're wrong about it, MS, but I doubt the RRHOF is selecting potential inductees by what's written on wikipedia.

(Neal and Jon probably wrote that. )

I understand that, BJG, but can anyone really argue that all of that isn't fact? I don't think you can.

No, and I wasn't arguing that it wasn't fact. In fact, I happen to agree with you... that's twice this week and its only Monday! My point is that wikipedia is just about the last source that anyone should be paying attention to for anything.

Though I disagree that Journey is more influential than Grandmaster Flash and the like... they more or less spawned a brand new genre... Journey didn't do that. And rap and hip hop spawn from the same place rock did... R&B... so its subjective who belongs and who doesn't.

[finalfight]

"Babe".... ugh....


Actually, it's a decent song, but it was what came after that pretty much killed Styx. Too bad (though Cyclorama kicks ass!)
Babe was the beginning of the end.

Yes it does! Especially the 5.1 DVD Audio version.

[Don]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

And after that, Reo's hit, "Keep on loving you", which went to number #1. I know Journey was successful with the power ballad but they definitely weren't the originator of it.
I think the Moody Blues have more of a case than anyone to be next into the HOF. They were one of the early pioneers of Prog rock and the concept album, most noticeably, "Days of future past". They've had number #1 albums on both side of the Atlantic. I think they should get in before another arena band does.

[PowerChords]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

And after that, Reo's hit, "Keep on loving you", which went to number #1. I know Journey was successful with the power ballad but they definitely weren't the originator of it.
I think the Moody Blues have more of a case than anyone to be next into the HOF. They were one of the early pioneers of Prog rock and the concept album, most noticeably, "Days of future past". They've had number #1 albums on both side of the Atlantic. I think they should get in before another arena band does.

First power ballad? Tony Peluso's guitar work on the Carpenter's song "Goodbye to love" is worthy of an argument as being the very first power ballad. Paul McCarthy's "My love" can be considered a pioneer as well.

[Don]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

And after that, Reo's hit, "Keep on loving you", which went to number #1. I know Journey was successful with the power ballad but they definitely weren't the originator of it.
I think the Moody Blues have more of a case than anyone to be next into the HOF. They were one of the early pioneers of Prog rock and the concept album, most noticeably, "Days of future past". They've had number #1 albums on both side of the Atlantic. I think they should get in before another arena band does.

First power ballad? Tony Peluso's guitar work on the Carpenter's song "Goodbye to love" is worthy of an argument as being the very first power ballad. Paul McCarthy's "My love" can be considered a pioneer as well.

As guess we can all agree it wasn't Journey.

[madsplash]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

And after that, Reo's hit, "Keep on loving you", which went to number #1. I know Journey was successful with the power ballad but they definitely weren't the originator of it.
I think the Moody Blues have more of a case than anyone to be next into the HOF. They were one of the early pioneers of Prog rock and the concept album, most noticeably, "Days of future past". They've had number #1 albums on both side of the Atlantic. I think they should get in before another arena band does.

First power ballad? Tony Peluso's guitar work on the Carpenter's song "Goodbye to love" is worthy of an argument as being the very first power ballad. Paul McCarthy's "My love" can be considered a pioneer as well.

As guess we can all agree it wasn't Journey.

No we can't. If you take a poll, Journey will get more votes than ANY other band. I'll bet.

[bluejeangirl76]

No we can't. If you take a poll, Journey will get more votes than ANY other band. I'll bet.

They might. We'll see.

[KDOUBLEU]

I heard Kevin Cronin take credit for the power ballad in an interview one time but I also heard Journey get tagged for it as well. My bet is on Journey over REO any day.

[FishinMagician]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

And after that, Reo's hit, "Keep on loving you", which went to number #1. I know Journey was successful with the power ballad but they definitely weren't the originator of it.
I think the Moody Blues have more of a case than anyone to be next into the HOF. They were one of the early pioneers of Prog rock and the concept album, most noticeably, "Days of future past". They've had number #1 albums on both side of the Atlantic. I think they should get in before another arena band does.

First power ballad? Tony Peluso's guitar work on the Carpenter's song "Goodbye to love" is worthy of an argument as being the very first power ballad. Paul McCarthy's "My love" can be considered a pioneer as well.

As guess we can all agree it wasn't Journey.

No we can't. If you take a poll, Journey will get more votes than ANY other band. I'll bet.

cuz its a journey forum lol

[Don]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

And after that, Reo's hit, "Keep on loving you", which went to number #1. I know Journey was successful with the power ballad but they definitely weren't the originator of it.
I think the Moody Blues have more of a case than anyone to be next into the HOF. They were one of the early pioneers of Prog rock and the concept album, most noticeably, "Days of future past". They've had number #1 albums on both side of the Atlantic. I think they should get in before another arena band does.

First power ballad? Tony Peluso's guitar work on the Carpenter's song "Goodbye to love" is worthy of an argument as being the very first power ballad. Paul McCarthy's "My love" can be considered a pioneer as well.

As guess we can all agree it wasn't Journey.

No we can't. If you take a poll, Journey will get more votes than ANY other band. I'll bet.

So Keep on loving you is not a power ballad?

[WykkedSensation]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

And after that, Reo's hit, "Keep on loving you", which went to number #1. I know Journey was successful with the power ballad but they definitely weren't the originator of it.
I think the Moody Blues have more of a case than anyone to be next into the HOF. They were one of the early pioneers of Prog rock and the concept album, most noticeably, "Days of future past". They've had number #1 albums on both side of the Atlantic. I think they should get in before another arena band does.

First power ballad? Tony Peluso's guitar work on the Carpenter's song "Goodbye to love" is worthy of an argument as being the very first power ballad. Paul McCarthy's "My love" can be considered a pioneer as well.

As guess we can all agree it wasn't Journey.

No we can't. If you take a poll, Journey will get more votes than ANY other band. I'll bet.

So Keep on loving you is not a power ballad?

Quite possibly the ultimate power ballad imo.

[Rick]

They should be inducted for giving the world the E5C4P3 and Frontiers albums alone.

Ditto! That was a great age in music.

[Rick]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

And after that, Reo's hit, "Keep on loving you", which went to number #1. I know Journey was successful with the power ballad but they definitely weren't the originator of it.
I think the Moody Blues have more of a case than anyone to be next into the HOF. They were one of the early pioneers of Prog rock and the concept album, most noticeably, "Days of future past". They've had number #1 albums on both side of the Atlantic. I think they should get in before another arena band does.

I'm not sure, but I think most in the music industry give that trophy to Journey for some reason. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

[Don]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

And after that, Reo's hit, "Keep on loving you", which went to number #1. I know Journey was successful with the power ballad but they definitely weren't the originator of it.
I think the Moody Blues have more of a case than anyone to be next into the HOF. They were one of the early pioneers of Prog rock and the concept album, most noticeably, "Days of future past". They've had number #1 albums on both side of the Atlantic. I think they should get in before another arena band does.

I'm not sure, but I think most in the music industry give that trophy to Journey for some reason. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

They may have the most power ballads but if we are talking about being the original one to come out with this, I think they were a year or two late.

[jrnyman28]

I believe Kepp On Loving YOu did come out before Open Arms and did do better on the charts. But for some reason it seems "power ballad" and Journey are synonymous.

[Don]

I believe Kepp On Loving YOu did come out before Open Arms and did do better on the charts. But for some reason it seems "power ballad" and Journey are synonymous.

I think it's by the sheer numbers of them that Journey released and the longevity of a song like Faithfully, Open Arms, and Who's crying now, which still get played everyday on the A/C stations. They are the king of the power ballads, I can't argue that, just not the originator. But if we're talking about HOF criteria, it doesn't matter. The people running the selection process seem to make up their own rules about who gets admission into that place.

[Gideon]

Journey being credited for inventing the power ballad came from some "music expert" on the Behind the Music episode featuring them.

[Arianddu]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

And after that, Reo's hit, "Keep on loving you", which went to number #1. I know Journey was successful with the power ballad but they definitely weren't the originator of it.
I think the Moody Blues have more of a case than anyone to be next into the HOF. They were one of the early pioneers of Prog rock and the concept album, most noticeably, "Days of future past". They've had number #1 albums on both side of the Atlantic. I think they should get in before another arena band does.

First power ballad? Tony Peluso's guitar work on the Carpenter's song "Goodbye to love" is worthy of an argument as being the very first power ballad. Paul McCarthy's "My love" can be considered a pioneer as well.

As guess we can all agree it wasn't Journey.

No we can't. If you take a poll, Journey will get more votes than ANY other band. I'll bet.

Uh, history is not dictated by votes, dear. Establish what constitutes a 'power ballad', then find all the songs that fit the description; the earliest one released is the first. I could get a million votes to say the chicken came first, doesn't change the fact that the egg did.

[hoagiepete]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

I must of missed the "power" part of that ballad. I agree that it was the beginning of their end and with the Cyclorama comment. Damn good album...er...CD.

[FishinMagician]

I think the consensus here is that Styx created the power ballad with Babe.

And after that, Reo's hit, "Keep on loving you", which went to number #1. I know Journey was successful with the power ballad but they definitely weren't the originator of it.
I think the Moody Blues have more of a case than anyone to be next into the HOF. They were one of the early pioneers of Prog rock and the concept album, most noticeably, "Days of future past". They've had number #1 albums on both side of the Atlantic. I think they should get in before another arena band does.

First power ballad? Tony Peluso's guitar work on the Carpenter's song "Goodbye to love" is worthy of an argument as being the very first power ballad. Paul McCarthy's "My love" can be considered a pioneer as well.

As guess we can all agree it wasn't Journey.

No we can't. If you take a poll, Journey will get more votes than ANY other band. I'll bet.

Uh, history is not dictated by votes, dear. Establish what constitutes a 'power ballad', then find all the songs that fit the description; the earliest one released is the first. I could get a million votes to say the chicken came first, doesn't change the fact that the egg did.

I was gonna say that too , but i realized she replied to people agreeing, in which a poll is a good way to measure people's opinions.

[madsplash]

Keep on Lovin You is a good song, but when the word "power" is considered, it has to do with the vocals also, not just the power chords.

Saying Kevin Cronin's voice on KOLY is powerfull, when compared to SP's on Open Arms, is not a valid argument.

Same with Dennis on DeYoung on Babe. I like the song, but for a "power ballad" you have to have the power all over the song, including the vocal.

None of the other singers mentioned are in SP's league as far as power (amoung most everything else, vocally).

[jrny84]

Most of the information on Journey's wikipedia cite is actually very factual and correct. I know the author who wrote most of the Journey article on wikipedia and he researched many different avenues to get his information. I also helped him and many others find information both looking on fan club sites, billboard charts, Journey's albums, articles written about Journey in the 80s, and documentaries about Journey. Yes some people get on the website and put absolute crap in there sometimes, but I know that many people try to delete the fictional information.

With that said Journey was one of the "First" bands to bring the power ballad into the big picture and make it as successful as they did. No one could write a ballad like John Cain, sing the ballad like perry, and bring rock edge to it like Neal Schon. REO did have alot of success with their ballads, but nothing near Journey's monumental presence in rock history. Journey started writing ballads in the late seventies with "Lights". REO I believe didnt come out with Keep on loving you until 1980. The fact is Journey turned the ballads into monster success and made a place for those ballads in rock. REO is an awesome band, but no comparison to Journey. They arent even in the same league. Journey has sold over 80 million albums, while REO is around 40 million. Journey is the 28th best selling band, REO I believe is close to 100.