Augeri, Soto or Pineda?

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Re: Augeri, Soto or Pineda?

Postby treetopovskaya » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:14 pm

jss for me too. his best vocal had to be on "i'll be alright without you"! }=C))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8T1XAdw9Tg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

jeff was/is too sexy for journey. };C) i like what someone (here i believe) said... that journey looked like jeff's backing band... so true!!

much rather see him with jssb... LOVE those guys.

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I am curious on your favorite?


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Postby treetopovskaya » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:18 pm

remember this being the first vid of jss with journey we saw here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLWMLGR9yuk

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Re: Augeri, Soto or Pineda?

Postby Carla777 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:46 pm

treetopovskaya wrote:jss for me too. his best vocal had to be on "i'll be alright without you"! }=C))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8T1XAdw9Tg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

jeff was/is too sexy for journey. };C) i like what someone (here i believe) said... that journey looked like jeff's backing band... so true!!

much rather see him with jssb... LOVE those guys.


Nice vids..that song fit very nice for JSS..now if he is too sexy for Journey..well....siiii!!! :wink:
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Postby Shadowsong » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:23 pm

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Re: Augeri, Soto or Pineda?

Postby Deb » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:25 pm

JSS, no question.

Pretty much says it all............ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHFmhoC43_4

IMO, he delivers the songs with a soul/passion not seen since Perry.....also brings his own uniqueness without sounding 'just like' Perry.

But I think I'm with you Tree, I would love to have heard what JSS could have brought to a new Journey album. But there's no beating that JSSB chemistry....... nothing funner than a Live JSSB show.
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Postby artist4perry » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:28 pm

I cannot vote, I have only seen Arnel live. Now add Perry to the mix and sorry he wins hands down. Many seem to like JSS. Augeri never impressed me in the video. But some love him too.
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Postby Blueskies » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:31 pm

Deb wrote:JSS, no question.

Pretty much says it all............ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHFmhoC43_4

IMO, he delivers the songs with a soul/passion not seen since Perry.....also brings his own uniqueness without sounding 'just like' Perry.

But I think I'm with you Tree, I would love to have heard what JSS could have brought to a new Journey album. But there's no beating that JSSB chemistry....... nothing funner than a Live JSSB show.
I agree. 8)
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Postby WIX » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:46 pm

I will absolutely not answer this question. It could ruin my future chances of backstage passes.

somebody just pm'd me and asked if I was gonna answer this question or not.

I used my favorite movie line.

"fuck that shit!" excuse me as I do not like to swear, I am a church goer but this was a movie line so it would have been lying to say "forget that stuff."
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:46 pm

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EightyRock wrote:Soto by a landslide for me. He's the only one to follow Perry that could sing the catalog and not have some kind of illness or vocal issues creeping in.


And he sang them for how long? That's an unfair comparison. And Soto never nailed them like Augeri or Pineda.


That's exactly what I was gonna say. Soto didn't do nearly as many shows with Journey as Augeri did, not even close. If he had he may have had voice problems too. Plus Soto wasn't singing in the same high range that Augeri and Arnel did or are doing. It's trying to match Perry's range that is what is causing throat problems for Augeri and possibly Arnel. Even though staying in Journey for a longer time period would have helped Soto's name recognition, he probably would have lost some vocal ability much earlier in his career than he probably will now that he's not in Journey long-term.


Not entirely true
Soto wouldn't have had the same problems as Augeri did simply because he didn't try to hit all the high notes the exact same way that perry did (and the same way Arnel is doing it which might ruin his voice )
Soto tried to adjust and adapt the song to his voice rather than the other way around , which is probably a smart thing to do , if one wants to sing Journey songs live for a long time.
Also , I can guarantee that during the last 25 years Soto has performed live more than Augeri if you tally ip every single concert they both performed since 1985.


Good point about Soto not trying to force his voice up to Perry's range.

I wasn't saying that Augeri has done more shows than Soto over the course of their careers, just that Augeri did way more JOURNEY shows than Soto did.
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Postby Indyjoe » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:54 pm

treetopovskaya wrote:much rather see him with jssb... LOVE those guys.

Deb wrote:But I think I'm with you Tree, I would love to have heard what JSS could have brought to a new Journey album. But there's no beating that JSSB chemistry....... nothing funner than a Live JSSB show.


So true. Love them.
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Postby Since 78 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:39 pm

Augeri would be my first choice, I saw him live a few times and I love the guys voice. Arrival is one of my favorite Journey albums.

Arnel is second, he is able to capture the tenor sound I equate with Journey and Im glad they found him.

Jeremey would be third, I like the spin he puts on some of the Old Journey tunes with Frontiers. I definetly wouldnt have minded if they had picked him over Arnel.

I liked Soto with Soul Sirkus but not for Journey.
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Postby finalfight » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:22 pm

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Arnel has more power than Augeri. His voice resonates more and a better fit for legacy Journey sound.


True but in his prime Augeri had much more vocal control and didn't over run on notes.
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Postby finalfight » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:26 pm

WalrusOct9 wrote:Of the three, Soto was the only one who was an accomplished songwriter.


Didn't Pineda have a couple solo albums to his name before being hired by Journey? I wonder if he had any writing credits?

WalrusOct9 wrote:And no one else currently active comes close to the stage presence that JSS has as a rock frontman.


I strongly disagree with this and always felt Jeff's stage act was all a bit repetitive.
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Postby Don » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:29 pm

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Arnel has more power than Augeri. His voice resonates more and a better fit for legacy Journey sound.


True but in his prime Augeri had much more vocal control and didn't over run on notes.


There is no way Arnel will have the type of tenure with the band that Augeri had, given the way he tends to over sing. I don't think his voice is up for it, especially him already being in his 40's.
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Postby Don » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:32 pm

finalfight wrote:
WalrusOct9 wrote:Of the three, Soto was the only one who was an accomplished songwriter.


Didn't Pineda have a couple solo albums to his name before being hired by Journey? I wonder if he had any writing credits?

WalrusOct9 wrote:And no one else currently active comes close to the stage presence that JSS has as a rock frontman.


I strongly disagree with this and always felt Jeff's stage act was all a bit repetitive.


That jumping around shit needs to be gotten under control by Mighty Mouse. It was cute at first but it seemed to be more of a distraction as the tour wore on, with Ross and Neal having to worry about were AP was going to land next.
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Postby annie89509 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:44 pm

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KenTheDude wrote:I'm going to step outside of the three choices and say Jason Kelty. Hands down a no-brainer for me. That guy is scary good. :shock:


We never did get to hear any update bootlegs from him did we. That thread seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth after the reunited band had one gig. I wonder how they are getting on.

I, too, am wondering about the bootleg clips promised.
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Postby SherriBerry » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:03 pm

My favourite Journey lead singer next to SP is Deen Castronovo - his vocals on the classics are beautiful and there is no reason his drum set couldn't be moved closer to the front of the stage. You can have an amazing performance and live show like Elton John or Billy Joel where the vocalist is primarily sitting at an instrument, but does just a few songs throughout the concert while moving about the stage to bring in the audience a bit.

Edit: That said, I hope Journey has a long career with Arnel! He's the real deal, a true talent, and very deserving of all of his good fortune - I think he will only get better with time and confidence. I realized my post could be construed that I thought Deen should replace him and that isn't what I meant!
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Postby Lerxst101 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:34 pm

In terms of vocal ability -- Arnel. He can sing the catalog, and he has great strength. I truly appreciated Steve as a person and was sad to see his "demise" within the band, but he seemed to always be hidden within the mix. And all too often I saw the glares he received from Neal. Overall, his singing lacked the power and consistency of Arnel.

As to Jeff, I loved his work with SS and on tour with Journey. I thought his energy was infectious and revitalized the band that summer. But obviously something wasn't gelling -- was it Jonathan wanting someone more Perry-like? Probably? But was there more, I just don't know. I still can't understand how Neal loved him so much as a friend and singer that it just collapsed in the end. I still think he would have been great with the band. It would have been nice to see a fresh voice giving input with the songwriting, as the Schon/Cain team isn't enough. It's clear that Perry contributed in a major way to the structure and composition of the songs. How often have we said, "This one's great but it's missing a hook." I think Jeff coud have helped in that regard.

And as to the future with Arnel, I never trust anything with this band anymore. I think Arnel is the real deal, but he has to show the commitment to the band (and the band to him). The diction and oversinging issues at the Super Bowl were apparent. Does it ruin the songs? No, but the fact that it's noticeable and takes a bit away from the performance is a negative. Moreover, I just don't see Arnel contributing to the writing. I think his situation allows Neal and Jonathan to continue writing on their own, and that's not a good thing. They need help, and I'd prefer it to be a band member. If that input isn't there, then look outside to a Glen Burtnik, Tommy Shaw, Perry (seeing if you're still paying attention), or someone else.
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Re: Augeri, Soto or Pineda?

Postby DrFU » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:10 am

Carla777 wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:jss for me too. his best vocal had to be on "i'll be alright without you"! }=C))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8T1XAdw9Tg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

jeff was/is too sexy for journey. };C) i like what someone (here i believe) said... that journey looked like jeff's backing band... so true!!

much rather see him with jssb... LOVE those guys.


Nice vids..that song fit very nice for JSS..now if he is too sexy for Journey..well....siiii!!! :wink:


I think Tree and Carla may be on to something here ...
:D
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Re: Augeri, Soto or Pineda?

Postby finalfight » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:18 am

treetopovskaya wrote:jeff was/is too sweaty for journey


Maybe. :wink:
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Postby E5C4P3ING » Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:00 am

[quote="Gideon"]Arrival has seduced me once again; I've been playing it on a continuous loop. There is some innate quality to Steve Augeri's voice that makes it very endearing to me. Objectively, it's true that he lacks the power of Steve Perry or Arnel Pineda and likely the range, but especially on Arrival, he didn't try to do any particularly impressive vocal acrobatics; he took the lyrics, infused them with as much power and emotion so as to deliver the goods, but added a different take where he did not need to leap octaves or show off his range. "Higher Place" is absolutely one of Journey's finest songs, eclipsing the majority of the Perry-era songs and all of Revelation bar "Change for the Better." To sum it up, Augeri managed to deliver a Perry-esque tone, all the while changing the delivery to compensate for his technically inferior range, power, and control. I love his voice and he's one of my very favorite singers.



I'm with you on this part.
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Re: Augeri, Soto or Pineda?

Postby Indyjoe » Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:25 am

finalfight wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:jeff was/is too sweaty for journey


Maybe. :wink:


I see you're having a hard time with the quote function. Just click on the little button that says "quote". That's all you need to do. :wink:

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treetopovskaya wrote:jeff was/is too sexy for journey.
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Re: Augeri, Soto or Pineda?

Postby finalfight » Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:31 am

Indyjoe wrote:
finalfight wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:jeff was/is too sweaty for journey


Maybe. :wink:


I see you're having a hard time with the quote function. Just click on the little button that says "quote". That's all you need to do. :wink:

Like so...

treetopovskaya wrote:jeff was/is too sexy for journey.


Please tell me you're a woman! :lol:
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Re: Augeri, Soto or Pineda?

Postby Indyjoe » Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:46 am

finalfight wrote:
Indyjoe wrote:
finalfight wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:jeff was/is too sweaty for journey


Maybe. :wink:


I see you're having a hard time with the quote function. Just click on the little button that says "quote". That's all you need to do. :wink:

Like so...

treetopovskaya wrote:jeff was/is too sexy for journey.


Please tell me you're a woman! :lol:


Okay, I'm a woman. :D
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Postby treetopovskaya » Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:14 am

ff...

that's how jss pays the bills. };C))
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Postby finalfight » Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:18 am

treetopovskaya wrote:ff...

that's how jss pays the bills. };C))


Wha...he's a gigolo..? :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Behshad » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:05 am

finalfight wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:
OK, I'm a woman :D


Cool, Cause Im a woman too :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:shock: :lol: :wink:
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Postby Arkansas » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:18 am

Lead Journey? No question...Herbie Herbert.
Sing for the band? Jason Kelty. However, I'd still like to see Chalfant & Rolie in a 6-piece Journey.


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Postby artist4perry » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:43 am

Behshad wrote:
finalfight wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:
OK, I'm a woman :D


Cool, Cause Im a woman too :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:shock: :lol: :wink:


Edit that :oops: :oops: ..............FF the Batbarbie thing is a bit girly............ Next thing you will be wanting a pink car and a Mallibu house.
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