Augeri, Soto or Pineda?

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Arrival has seduced me once again; I've been playing it on a continuous loop.

Me too. I can't stop listening to it as of late. Higher Place and We Will Meet Again have been on repeat for the last few days.

I'll vote for Augeri in his prime on this one.

[Jeremey]

Hey man,

I've got to disagree with this line right here. I'm not taking anything away from Jeremey and his time with Journey...how cool would that be? But Jeremey did not write "Never Walk Away". He wrote 1 line in the song. Again, not trying to take anything away from him (I've never had a radio hit), but he didn't really co-write it. I don't know how much he's written of his solo stuff, but the stuff he's done with "The Outfields" guitarist sound promising.

As far as the choices go...I'd have to go with Augeri (if his vocals were a little stronger). To me, the dictation issues with Arnel just seem to distract me too much. That, and all the jumping around on stage. I think Augeri was the "coolest" performer they've had, and he did a great job with the crowds.

Jim, where are you getting your information about one line in the song? I know I've never stated that, cause it's not true....Did this come from Neal or Jonathan? Shit, I wrote SEVERAL lines on the other tune we worked on, but that didn't get me writing credit.

[Jeremey]

I loved SA. He was a genuinely good guy and to be honest, the songs that came out of his era are far superior to the AP era so far. Arrival BLOWS Revelation away any day of the week. Generations would be a competitor if you scratch Gone Crazy and make it halfway decent as far as production goes.

I'm an AP supporter, but he's gotta find a way to kick the accent/diction/delivery problems that are plaguing him once and for all. I wish we could have seen Jeremey get a shot, especially since he's proven that he can write, through NWA and the great songs he's been posting on his own on the net. Arnel has yet to do that, as far as I can see. Jeremey's Can't You See He's Gone would be the best track on Revelation if he had joined the band and gotten that one included.

Hey man,

I've got to disagree with this line right here. I'm not taking anything away from Jeremey and his time with Journey...how cool would that be? But Jeremey did not write "Never Walk Away". He wrote 1 line in the song. Again, not trying to take anything away from him (I've never had a radio hit), but he didn't really co-write it. I don't know how much he's written of his solo stuff, but the stuff he's done with "The Outfields" guitarist sound promising.

As far as the choices go...I'd have to go with Augeri (if his vocals were a little stronger). To me, the dictation issues with Arnel just seem to distract me too much. That, and all the jumping around on stage. I think Augeri was the "coolest" performer they've had, and he did a great job with the crowds.

That must have been one hell of a oneliner since he's getting royalties for it.

Journey definitely "Hooked him up", and Jeremey has even stated himself that he was surprised to be included in the credits. Not that Jeremey would do this, but if the band HADN'T included him, he could have probably taken them to court if he wanted to.

Journey "hooked me up" because they included the damned song on the disc. I was surprised that it was included at all on Revelation at first because (I'm not sure anyone recalls this) I didn't think at the time it was a very strong song.

[Onestepper]

I loved SA. He was a genuinely good guy and to be honest, the songs that came out of his era are far superior to the AP era so far. Arrival BLOWS Revelation away any day of the week. Generations would be a competitor if you scratch Gone Crazy and make it halfway decent as far as production goes.

I'm an AP supporter, but he's gotta find a way to kick the accent/diction/delivery problems that are plaguing him once and for all. I wish we could have seen Jeremey get a shot, especially since he's proven that he can write, through NWA and the great songs he's been posting on his own on the net. Arnel has yet to do that, as far as I can see. Jeremey's Can't You See He's Gone would be the best track on Revelation if he had joined the band and gotten that one included.

Hey man,

I've got to disagree with this line right here. I'm not taking anything away from Jeremey and his time with Journey...how cool would that be? But Jeremey did not write "Never Walk Away". He wrote 1 line in the song. Again, not trying to take anything away from him (I've never had a radio hit), but he didn't really co-write it. I don't know how much he's written of his solo stuff, but the stuff he's done with "The Outfields" guitarist sound promising.

As far as the choices go...I'd have to go with Augeri (if his vocals were a little stronger). To me, the dictation issues with Arnel just seem to distract me too much. That, and all the jumping around on stage. I think Augeri was the "coolest" performer they've had, and he did a great job with the crowds.

That must have been one hell of a oneliner since he's getting royalties for it.

Journey definitely "Hooked him up", and Jeremey has even stated himself that he was surprised to be included in the credits. Not that Jeremey would do this, but if the band HADN'T included him, he could have probably taken them to court if he wanted to.

Journey "hooked me up" because they included the damned song on the disc. I was surprised that it was included at all on Revelation at first because (I'm not sure anyone recalls this) I didn't think at the time it was a very strong song.

Jeremy, what did you think of the final version? Did you think it should be on the album at that point? Just curious.

[Behshad]

Hey man,

I've got to disagree with this line right here. I'm not taking anything away from Jeremey and his time with Journey...how cool would that be? But Jeremey did not write "Never Walk Away". He wrote 1 line in the song. Again, not trying to take anything away from him (I've never had a radio hit), but he didn't really co-write it. I don't know how much he's written of his solo stuff, but the stuff he's done with "The Outfields" guitarist sound promising.

As far as the choices go...I'd have to go with Augeri (if his vocals were a little stronger). To me, the dictation issues with Arnel just seem to distract me too much. That, and all the jumping around on stage. I think Augeri was the "coolest" performer they've had, and he did a great job with the crowds.

Jim, where are you getting your information about one line in the song? I know I've never stated that, cause it's not true....Did this come from Neal or Jonathan? Shit, I wrote SEVERAL lines on the other tune we worked on, but that didn't get me writing credit.

Maybe those several lines were identical and kept showing up in the chorus parts ?

[Jeremey]

Jeremy, what did you think of the final version? Did you think it should be on the album at that point? Just curious.

I think it sounds great - You know, what we wrote together and recorded a quick demo of was a song that was hours old at that point. Certainly it would have been fleshed out and been good enough to put on the CD. I remember thinking at the time though it was a bit too 90210 and I think I said that on this forum.

RE BSD's comment, I think I explained the songwriting process before....

Neal came in with a riff-based demo. He taught it to the band and we played it several times while I scat sang a melody and a few key lyrics that helmed the song. Jonathan listened back to our recordings that night and cobbled together the lyrics around the themes I was scat singing about. Then he and I revised and edited them the next morning and came up with something that had more "me" to it, both lyrically and in terms of the words I was most comfortable (physically) singing to record the demo.

This is opposed to "Where Did I Lose Your Love" which was a finished demo with Steve Augeri. I felt like some of the lines and lyrics didn't flow as smoothly as they could for my voice and changed a few lines to better suit me. The lines I changed ended up in the final version, though I didn't get writing credit nor did I expect to because the song was basically written years before I came into the picture.

Revisionist history is a bitch, though to be expected.

[G.I.Jim]

Hey man,

I've got to disagree with this line right here. I'm not taking anything away from Jeremey and his time with Journey...how cool would that be? But Jeremey did not write "Never Walk Away". He wrote 1 line in the song. Again, not trying to take anything away from him (I've never had a radio hit), but he didn't really co-write it. I don't know how much he's written of his solo stuff, but the stuff he's done with "The Outfields" guitarist sound promising.

As far as the choices go...I'd have to go with Augeri (if his vocals were a little stronger). To me, the dictation issues with Arnel just seem to distract me too much. That, and all the jumping around on stage. I think Augeri was the "coolest" performer they've had, and he did a great job with the crowds.

Jim, where are you getting your information about one line in the song? I know I've never stated that, cause it's not true....Did this come from Neal or Jonathan? Shit, I wrote SEVERAL lines on the other tune we worked on, but that didn't get me writing credit.

Uhhhh... I got that information from you over the phone as soon as you got back from San Francisco. You told me you wrote the hook "Never Walk Away" and that Jonathan took that hook, and came back with a finished song the next morning. You then said you only tweaked a word or two here or there after that. Again...not knocking your experience, but Jonathan wrote the song based on what you told me.

As far as the other tune goes...you've never mentioned that song to me, and I've never said that you didn't write lyrics to it. Never mentioned that one at all.

[G.I.Jim]

I loved SA. He was a genuinely good guy and to be honest, the songs that came out of his era are far superior to the AP era so far. Arrival BLOWS Revelation away any day of the week. Generations would be a competitor if you scratch Gone Crazy and make it halfway decent as far as production goes.

I'm an AP supporter, but he's gotta find a way to kick the accent/diction/delivery problems that are plaguing him once and for all. I wish we could have seen Jeremey get a shot, especially since he's proven that he can write, through NWA and the great songs he's been posting on his own on the net. Arnel has yet to do that, as far as I can see. Jeremey's Can't You See He's Gone would be the best track on Revelation if he had joined the band and gotten that one included.

Hey man,

I've got to disagree with this line right here. I'm not taking anything away from Jeremey and his time with Journey...how cool would that be? But Jeremey did not write "Never Walk Away". He wrote 1 line in the song. Again, not trying to take anything away from him (I've never had a radio hit), but he didn't really co-write it. I don't know how much he's written of his solo stuff, but the stuff he's done with "The Outfields" guitarist sound promising.

As far as the choices go...I'd have to go with Augeri (if his vocals were a little stronger). To me, the dictation issues with Arnel just seem to distract me too much. That, and all the jumping around on stage. I think Augeri was the "coolest" performer they've had, and he did a great job with the crowds.

That must have been one hell of a oneliner since he's getting royalties for it.

Journey definitely "Hooked him up", and Jeremey has even stated himself that he was surprised to be included in the credits. Not that Jeremey would do this, but if the band HADN'T included him, he could have probably taken them to court if he wanted to.

Journey "hooked me up" because they included the damned song on the disc. I was surprised that it was included at all on Revelation at first because (I'm not sure anyone recalls this) I didn't think at the time it was a very strong song.

See my previous post.

[larryfromnextdoor]

jim .. you talk too much..

[G.I.Jim]

jim .. you talk too much..

Bite me Larry, I'm just being honest here. If someone posts something here that I think is wrong or out of line....I post my opinion. It's a public forum. Trust me, if I talked too much, there'd be a LOT more threads in this forum. I've done nothing but state the truth about a conversation, and re-state what Jeremey has already stated... the fact that he was surprised when he was included in the credits.

Sorry if you don't like the post. Just being honest.

[G.I.Jim]

jim .. you talk too much..

Also Larry...

I just checked the numbers. You've posted 9449 times since June of 2006. I've posted 2793 times since July of 2006. You say I talk too much?

I'm not trying to be a dick here Larry, and there's a lot of things you don't know. I've never had any issues with you, and have enjoyed your posts (as well as your guitar playing). I'd like to keep it that way.

I haven't said anything more to Jeremey here than I have to (or about) any other person who's sang with the band. If someone posts something that I believe aren't true...I'm going to speak up.

I just said last week how poorly I though Journey (Arnel) sounded at the Superbowl after someone posted a link. I've stated many times how I like JSS as a singer, but feel that he was WAY wrong for Journey...just not the right sound. These are just my opinions...I am entitled to them just as you are.

Again...hope you're not offended.

[Blueskies]

that was rude Lar

[larryfromnextdoor]

jim .. you talk too much..

Also Larry...

.

IM IN PRINT!

[G.I.Jim]

jim .. you talk too much..

Also Larry...

.

IM IN PRINT!

What the hell's that supposed to mean?

[larryfromnextdoor]

jim .. you talk too much..

Also Larry...

.

IM IN PRINT!

What the hell's that supposed to mean?

i dont know.. but id sure get all bent up about it .....

[G.I.Jim]

jim .. you talk too much..

Also Larry...

.

IM IN PRINT!

What the hell's that supposed to mean?

i dont know.. but id sure get all bent up about it .....

You aren't right in the head Larry!

[larryfromnextdoor]

You aren't right in the head Larry!

jim !!! you arnet either.. you write songs of love.. but love to fight .. (on line)

[G.I.Jim]

You aren't right in the head Larry!

jim !!! you arnet either.. you write songs of love.. but love to fight .. (on line)

True, but I fight online as well as off! I do have a weakness for writing ballads though...is that bad?

[larryfromnextdoor]

You aren't right in the head Larry!

jim !!! you arnet either.. you write songs of love.. but love to fight .. (on line)

True, but I fight online as well as off! I do have a weakness for writing ballads though...is that bad?

yes .. that is bad.. whats your next song going to be called.. "Castles of Love"??.... come on man.. dont you

have it in you to sing about swords and dragons?

[G.I.Jim]

You aren't right in the head Larry!

jim !!! you arnet either.. you write songs of love.. but love to fight .. (on line)

True, but I fight online as well as off! I do have a weakness for writing ballads though...is that bad?

yes .. that is bad.. whats your next song going to be called.. "Castles of Love"??.... come on man.. dont you

have it in you to sing about swords and dragons?

You want me to write about my sword? I'm confused!

[Jeremey]

1. I wrote the melody while scat singing over the music w/ the band
2. In my scat singing I had the chorus
3. Jonathan wrote the rest of the verses
4. We then rewrote the verses to suit me singing

Where does that contradict what I said above or what I may have told you over the phone? Ever think I just wasn't going to go into detail with you at the time? I sure can understand that, since I had no idea you'd be minimizing what I said nearly two years later on a message board.

PS, I was certainly not going into detail with you at the time, since I was trying not to let people know I had "gotten the job" and had found a post of yours on another forum where you claimed that I had confided in you that I had indeed got the job. So I was pretty "generic" about information with anyone I talked to at that point.

[G.I.Jim]

1. I wrote the melody while scat singing over the music w/ the band
2. In my scat singing I had the chorus
3. Jonathan wrote the rest of the verses
4. We then rewrote the verses to suit me singing

Where does that contradict what I said above or what I may have told you over the phone? Ever think I just wasn't going to go into detail with you at the time? I sure can understand that, since I had no idea you'd be minimizing what I said nearly two years later on a message board.

PS, I was certainly not going into detail with you at the time, since I was trying not to let people know I had "gotten the job" and had found a post of yours on another forum where you claimed that I had confided in you that I had indeed got the job. So I was pretty "generic" about information with anyone I talked to at that point.

Again...I'm just going off of the information YOU told me. Nothing more, nothing less. What other forum are you talking about? Other than a couple of posts at Ed's forum...I've never posted in any other forum anywhere....ever. Not saying I didn't say that but if I did...it was true. I don't recall much of the few discussions I had there, but I don't make shit up for a post.

I was excited for you at the time, and was really doing nothing but going to bat for you over the whole "Jeremey vs JSS" thing. I got made to look like an ass in the end. Not your problem, but whatever.

Wasn't trying to diminish your contribution...simply stating my opinion of your songwriting abilities AS I KNOW THEM.

[finalfight]

Never Walk Away is a cool song. I sense some jealousy creeping into this thread.

On a lighter note, Jeremey you said scat! Giggety...alriiight!

[G.I.Jim]

Never Walk Away is a cool song. I sense some jealousy creeping into this thread.

On a lighter note, Jeremey you said scat! Giggety...alriiight!

I'm not jealous in any way of Jeremey or Never Walk Away. I was happy for him, and I think he probably had an experience he'll never forget. That's cool. All I did was state what was told to me about his help in writing the song. I've said several times that I think if Jeremey's version was polished up, that I'd probably prefer it over Arnel's. How does that sound jealous? Jeremey's a great singer, and I've never said anything to diminish his vocal abilities (other than saying he uses too much vibrato sometimes, or that he goes a little out of pitch because of it).

[finalfight]

and I've never said anything to diminish his vocal abilities (other than saying he uses too much vibrato sometimes, or that he goes a little out of pitch because of it).

Way to flip flop!

[Onestepper]

and I've never said anything to diminish his vocal abilities (other than saying he uses too much vibrato sometimes, or that he goes a little out of pitch because of it).

Way to flip flop!

While I'm not sure jealousy played a part, I would say that discretion sure is a thing of the past. Calling someone out over a private phone conversation that may or may not have had all of the details involved is pretty bad form. Especially when what is relayed may not be accurate.

[Ehwmatt]

My balls itch

[Behshad]

My balls itch

Sorry to burst your bubble and bust your balls;) but you POSTED this in a TOPIC instead of using the PM function and sending it privately to Stevew2 {if u know what I mean}

[Ehwmatt]

My balls itch

Sorry to burst your bubble and bust your balls;) but you POSTED this in a TOPIC instead of using the PM function and sending it privately to Stevew2 {if u know what I mean}

If I wanted to send it to steve it woulda read:

My bals icth

That fucker needs to get his Vonage hooked back up or whatever the problem is.

[Behshad]

and I've never said anything to diminish his vocal abilities (other than saying he uses too much vibrato sometimes, or that he goes a little out of pitch because of it).

Way to flip flop!

While I'm not sure jealousy played a part, I would say that discretion sure is a thing of the past. Calling someone out over a private phone conversation that may or may not have had all of the details involved is pretty bad form. Especially when what is relayed may not be accurate.

No once was calling out anyone.
GI JIM said something about a song, which Jeremey had told him,,,,,yes in a private conversation,,,,but when GI JIM posted this, he had NO intention to CALL out Jeremey,, he was just mentioning it as part of the discussion,,, SPECIALLY since he had it confirmed from Jeremey himself, he didnt think that "insider info" could hurt anyone at this point,,,,,
Private things should be kept private on a serious matter,,, however, in this case Jeremey told a lie in ONE of the occasions,, either to GI JIM in private, or here in public,,,,, and of course, GI JIM gets labled as the jealous shit-stirrer, which is bullshit,,,, not speaking for him, but had GI JIM known that it would go this far, he wouldnt probably mentioned anything,,,,
And to make it clear , Jeremey and I put our differences aside long time ago,, so this is not about me trying to take side or bash him,,, its just I see both sides, and in this case, Jeremey should NOT be the "victim" and GI JIM shouldnt be the bad guy