Chivalry - Why can't it die?

[artist4perry]

awww, Gin, lovely girl....I think she favors you!!

Thanks MG. This is a picture of her when she was 6 months old. I am holding her. Now she's a grown woman......time flies.



FF I only have one daughter............the one above in the green shirt. The other gal in the pigtails I showed you is your date. Broomhilda.........have fun! I know........to the moon Alice!

[Carla777]

Ginger your daughter is so beautiful..and a cute baby too, seem to look like you in the pic

[MrsPerry]

Perfect Farrah Fawcett hair

I am still one who oohs and ahhs when there are doors opened, and chairs pulled out. but hell, it has been so long, i forget what a man even looks like.

[artist4perry]

Ginger your daughter is so beautiful..and a cute baby too, seem to look like you in the pic

Thank you. She is her own woman that is for sure. Strong willed, and self assured. Nothing wrong with that!

And her husband opens the doors, and I have taught her to fix him something cold to drink when he's tired and thirsty. It definately should go both ways.

[artist4perry]

Perfect Farrah Fawcett hair

I am still one who oohs and ahhs when there are doors opened, and chairs pulled out. but hell, it has been so long, i forget what a man even looks like.

Sorry about the hair, it was the times!

[Jubilee]

Now let me preface this by saying I don't mind doing these things, but what is the actual message this is sending to women? Women want to be viewed as equals, and yet we men(through guilt-ridden commercials and movie themes) are coerced into treating women like they can't do a damn thing for themselves...

Can a woman open a door for herself? She has two hands.....Unless her hands are full, she can open her own damn door.

Putting a brand new jacket over a puddle so she won't get her new $800 Manolos dirty/wet is just plain ludicrous. Unless she is crossing the fucking Rio Grande...she can walk around. Her calves could use the workout.

ok....I'm spent.

It can't die. I'm no social anthropologist (or whatever), but it seems to me these things are actually rooted in the male animals' need to demonstrate his fittness and suitability as a mate. Of course women can open their own doors, and bring home the bacon and fry in up in a pan, etc., etc., etc. Women can do almost everything by themselves, so where does that leave men? Other animals sing songs, perform elaborate dances, and spar with other males to woo the females. Human males seem to think females should just be content with the fact that they are there. It's not about "treating women like they can't do a damn thing for themselves", it's about males demonstrating their abilities and trying to woo the ladies.

(end rant)

[MrsPerry]

Perfect Farrah Fawcett hair

I am still one who oohs and ahhs when there are doors opened, and chairs pulled out. but hell, it has been so long, i forget what a man even looks like.

Sorry about the hair, it was the times!

actually, i meant it as a compliment

[Don]

i love the non verbal language, this small gestures can make a great difference for me..but goes in both ways, for men and women..i can surely open the door for a man or invite him to dinner..i've done in the past, indicates that you care about the person..anyway i love when a guy is very polite and kind with everyone, when he is with me..win extra points inmediatly!

Young children who are taught with hand gestures generally have better vocabulary when starting school.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/educ ... 46.stm?lss

Toddlers who use gestures more often have better vocabularies on reaching school age, US researchers say.

They say those who convey more meanings with gestures at 14 months have larger vocabularies at four-and-a-half years and are better prepared for school.

Parents and teachers could help children learn to speak by encouraging the use of gestures, say psychologists from the University of Chicago.

Their study, in Science journal, was announced at the AAAS conference.

The researchers found that children from higher-income families with well-educated parents used more gestures as toddlers.
Vocabulary is a key predictor of school success and is a primary reason why children from low-income families enter school at a greater risk of failure than their peers from advantaged families


They also had higher vocabularies at school age.

"Our findings contradict the folklore," said Prof Susan Goldin-Meadow, co-author on the study.

"Your grandma always told you - if you're really articulate you shouldn't have to use your hands at all.

"That's typically what the upper class believes about itself.

"But our findings were surprising - we actually found extra gesturing in these high socio-economic status [SES] families.

"Gesture and speech go hand-in-hand.

"That's interesting and we need to explore what's happening here.

"Vocabulary is a key predictor of school success and is a primary reason why children from low-income families enter school at a greater risk of failure than their peers from advantaged families."

Psychologists have long stated that families of higher income and education levels talk more with their children and speak to them in complex sentences.

But the study is one of the first to focus on whether gestures, too, have an influence on vocabulary and school preparedness.

The researchers studied 50 families from diverse economic backgrounds.

They recorded video of children with their parent, or primary caregiver, for 90-minute sessions, during ordinary home activities.

Fourteen-month-old children from high-income, well-educated families used gesture to convey an average of 24 different meanings during the 90-minute session.

Meanwhile, children from lower-income families conveyed only 13.

Once in school, students from higher-income families had a comprehension vocabulary of 117 (as measured by a standardised test), compared to 93 for children from lower-income families.

The paper does not establish a causal link between early child gesture and later child vocabulary.

But the authors suggested two possible mechanisms by which one might encourage the other.

"Child gesture could play an indirect role in word learning by eliciting timely speech from parents; for example, in response to her child's point at the doll, mother might say, 'Yes, that's a doll,' thus providing a word for the object that is the focus of the child's attention," they wrote.

The connection also may be more direct, since gestures allow children to use their hands to express meanings when they have difficulty forming words for them.

[artist4perry]

Now let me preface this by saying I don't mind doing these things, but what is the actual message this is sending to women? Women want to be viewed as equals, and yet we men(through guilt-ridden commercials and movie themes) are coerced into treating women like they can't do a damn thing for themselves...

Can a woman open a door for herself? She has two hands.....Unless her hands are full, she can open her own damn door.

Putting a brand new jacket over a puddle so she won't get her new $800 Manolos dirty/wet is just plain ludicrous. Unless she is crossing the fucking Rio Grande...she can walk around. Her calves could use the workout.

ok....I'm spent.

It can't die. I'm no social anthropologist (or whatever), but it seems to me these things are actually rooted in the male animals' need to demonstrate his fittness and suitability as a mate. Of course women can open their own doors, and bring home the bacon and fry in up in a pan, etc., etc., etc. Women can do almost everything by themselves, so where does that leave men? Other animals sing songs, perform elaborate dances, and spar with other males to woo the females. Human males seem to think females should just be content with the fact that they are there. It's not about "treating women like they can't do a damn thing for themselves", it's about males demonstrating their abilities and trying to woo the ladies.

(end rant)

A+

[artist4perry]

Perfect Farrah Fawcett hair

I am still one who oohs and ahhs when there are doors opened, and chairs pulled out. but hell, it has been so long, i forget what a man even looks like.

Sorry about the hair, it was the times!

actually, i meant it as a compliment

Well then thanks! I forgot what a pain it was to get it that way!

[S2M]

Now let me preface this by saying I don't mind doing these things, but what is the actual message this is sending to women? Women want to be viewed as equals, and yet we men(through guilt-ridden commercials and movie themes) are coerced into treating women like they can't do a damn thing for themselves...

Can a woman open a door for herself? She has two hands.....Unless her hands are full, she can open her own damn door.

Putting a brand new jacket over a puddle so she won't get her new $800 Manolos dirty/wet is just plain ludicrous. Unless she is crossing the fucking Rio Grande...she can walk around. Her calves could use the workout.

ok....I'm spent.

It can't die. I'm no social anthropologist (or whatever), but it seems to me these things are actually rooted in the male animals' need to demonstrate his fittness and suitability as a mate. Of course women can open their own doors, and bring home the bacon and fry in up in a pan, etc., etc., etc. Women can do almost everything by themselves, so where does that leave men? Other animals sing songs, perform elaborate dances, and spar with other males to woo the females. Human males seem to think females should just be content with the fact that they are there. It's not about "treating women like they can't do a damn thing for themselves", it's about males demonstrating their abilities and trying to woo the ladies.

(end rant)

A+

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate. You think I'm that obtuse? Wait. Don't answer that.

[artist4perry]

Now let me preface this by saying I don't mind doing these things, but what is the actual message this is sending to women? Women want to be viewed as equals, and yet we men(through guilt-ridden commercials and movie themes) are coerced into treating women like they can't do a damn thing for themselves...

Can a woman open a door for herself? She has two hands.....Unless her hands are full, she can open her own damn door.

Putting a brand new jacket over a puddle so she won't get her new $800 Manolos dirty/wet is just plain ludicrous. Unless she is crossing the fucking Rio Grande...she can walk around. Her calves could use the workout.

ok....I'm spent.

It can't die. I'm no social anthropologist (or whatever), but it seems to me these things are actually rooted in the male animals' need to demonstrate his fittness and suitability as a mate. Of course women can open their own doors, and bring home the bacon and fry in up in a pan, etc., etc., etc. Women can do almost everything by themselves, so where does that leave men? Other animals sing songs, perform elaborate dances, and spar with other males to woo the females. Human males seem to think females should just be content with the fact that they are there. It's not about "treating women like they can't do a damn thing for themselves", it's about males demonstrating their abilities and trying to woo the ladies.

(end rant)

A+

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate. You think I'm that obtuse? Wait. Don't answer that.

Made for a funny post.......

[finalfight]

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate. You think I'm that obtuse? Wait. Don't answer that.

Better obtuse than obese right? That one's for the loons!

I have a feeling I might soon be obsolete!

[S2M]

Now let me preface this by saying I don't mind doing these things, but what is the actual message this is sending to women? Women want to be viewed as equals, and yet we men(through guilt-ridden commercials and movie themes) are coerced into treating women like they can't do a damn thing for themselves...

Can a woman open a door for herself? She has two hands.....Unless her hands are full, she can open her own damn door.

Putting a brand new jacket over a puddle so she won't get her new $800 Manolos dirty/wet is just plain ludicrous. Unless she is crossing the fucking Rio Grande...she can walk around. Her calves could use the workout.

ok....I'm spent.

It can't die. I'm no social anthropologist (or whatever), but it seems to me these things are actually rooted in the male animals' need to demonstrate his fittness and suitability as a mate. Of course women can open their own doors, and bring home the bacon and fry in up in a pan, etc., etc., etc. Women can do almost everything by themselves, so where does that leave men? Other animals sing songs, perform elaborate dances, and spar with other males to woo the females. Human males seem to think females should just be content with the fact that they are there. It's not about "treating women like they can't do a damn thing for themselves", it's about males demonstrating their abilities and trying to woo the ladies.

(end rant)

A+

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate. You think I'm that obtuse? Wait. Don't answer that.

Better obtuse than obese right? That ones for the loons!

I thought I told you not to wake the bears....

Hell hath no fury, man....like a loon scorned!!!!

Journey 101....remedial course for you, my friend.

[Jubilee]

Now let me preface this by saying I don't mind doing these things, but what is the actual message this is sending to women? Women want to be viewed as equals, and yet we men(through guilt-ridden commercials and movie themes) are coerced into treating women like they can't do a damn thing for themselves...

Can a woman open a door for herself? She has two hands.....Unless her hands are full, she can open her own damn door.

Putting a brand new jacket over a puddle so she won't get her new $800 Manolos dirty/wet is just plain ludicrous. Unless she is crossing the fucking Rio Grande...she can walk around. Her calves could use the workout.

ok....I'm spent.

It can't die. I'm no social anthropologist (or whatever), but it seems to me these things are actually rooted in the male animals' need to demonstrate his fittness and suitability as a mate. Of course women can open their own doors, and bring home the bacon and fry in up in a pan, etc., etc., etc. Women can do almost everything by themselves, so where does that leave men? Other animals sing songs, perform elaborate dances, and spar with other males to woo the females. Human males seem to think females should just be content with the fact that they are there. It's not about "treating women like they can't do a damn thing for themselves", it's about males demonstrating their abilities and trying to woo the ladies.

(end rant)

A+

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate. You think I'm that obtuse? Wait. Don't answer that.

...too late now, buddy.

[Don]

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate. You think I'm that obtuse? Wait. Don't answer that.

Better obtuse than obese right? That one's for the loons!

I have a feeling I might soon be obsolete!

Dude, you are so fucked.

[artist4perry]

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate. You think I'm that obtuse? Wait. Don't answer that.

Better obtuse than obese right? That one's for the loons!

I have a feeling I might soon be obsolete!

And you wonder why you have no furr to stroke?

[finalfight]

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate. You think I'm that obtuse? Wait. Don't answer that.

Better obtuse than obese right? That one's for the loons!

I have a feeling I might soon be obsolete!

And you wonder why you have no furr to stroke?

Seems you are wrong! I refer you to the following...

Dude, you are so fucked.

And near Valentines Day too, perfect!

[Michigan Girl]

Now that is funny...LMAO!!!

[artist4perry]

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate. You think I'm that obtuse? Wait. Don't answer that.

Better obtuse than obese right? That one's for the loons!

I have a feeling I might soon be obsolete!

And you wonder why you have no furr to stroke?

Seems you are wrong! I refer you to the following...

Dude, you are so fucked.

And near Valentines Day too, perfect!

Oh! I forgot, I set you up with Hilda! Have a good time! By the way, Gunby never specified a species.......

[bluejeangirl76]

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate.

Perhaps. But my point stands. Ladies like that stuff. Yes, we can certainly open our own doors and whatnot. But a real woman knows not only to value those gestures, but to reciprocate. So unless she's just some kind of jerk, you better be opening those doors for her.

And no, the fact that a man has a keyfob does not excuse him from opening a car door. Write that down boys.

[S2M]

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate.

Perhaps. But my point stands. Ladies like that stuff. Yes, we can certainly open our own doors and whatnot. But a real woman knows not only to value those gestures, but to reciprocate. So unless she's just some kind of jerk, you better be opening those doors for her.

And no, the fact that a man has a keyfob does not excuse him from opening a car door. Write that down boys.

You forgot to add 'stockboy'....I've grown accustomed to the moniker....write that down.

[finalfight]

By the way, Gunby never specified a species.......

I've googled Gunby but am still lost. Is it lady humour perchance?

[artist4perry]

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate. You think I'm that obtuse? Wait. Don't answer that.

Better obtuse than obese right? That one's for the loons!

I have a feeling I might soon be obsolete!

And you wonder why you have no furr to stroke?

Seems you are wrong! I refer you to the following...

Dude, you are so fucked.

And near Valentines Day too, perfect!

Oh! I forgot, I set you up with Hilda! Have a good time! By the way, Gunby never specified a species.......

or gender

He's been sniffing the paint thinners.........won't know the difference. Have fun FF! (oh yeah, he's screwed)

[bluejeangirl76]

Like I explained to another member....I was joking in my original post.. Just playing Devil's Advocate.

Perhaps. But my point stands. Ladies like that stuff. Yes, we can certainly open our own doors and whatnot. But a real woman knows not only to value those gestures, but to reciprocate. So unless she's just some kind of jerk, you better be opening those doors for her.

And no, the fact that a man has a keyfob does not excuse him from opening a car door. Write that down boys.

You forgot to add 'stockboy'....I've grown accustomed to the moniker....write that down.

Piss off. I was directing that to all of you XYs.

[S2M]

By the way, Gunby never specified a species.......

I've googled Gunby but am still lost. Is it lady humour perchance?

Nick for Ole Gunbot up there.....

[finalfight]

By the way, Gunby never specified a species.......

I've googled Gunby but am still lost. Is it lady humour perchance?

Nick for Ole Gunbot up there.....

God I must be tired not to get that! Oh well!

[artist4perry]

By the way, Gunby never specified a species.......

I've googled Gunby but am still lost. Is it lady humour perchance?

Gunbot for short........his name makes me think of Gumby. So he is Gunby.

[DrFU]

i love the non verbal language, this small gestures can make a great difference for me..but goes in both ways, for men and women..i can surely open the door for a man or invite him to dinner..i've done in the past, indicates that you care about the person..anyway i love when a guy is very polite and kind with everyone, when he is with me..win extra points inmediatly!

Ding, ding, ding!

It's called reciprocal human kindness; small gestures that show you care. He holds your door, you bring him a beer from the fridge ... or you hold the door for him and he brings you the beer. Rigid gender roles and scorekeeping are ... tiresome

[KenTheDude]

i love the non verbal language, this small gestures can make a great difference for me..but goes in both ways, for men and women..i can surely open the door for a man or invite him to dinner..i've done in the past, indicates that you care about the person..anyway i love when a guy is very polite and kind with everyone, when he is with me..win extra points inmediatly!

Ding, ding, ding!

It's called reciprocal human kindness; small gestures that show you care. He holds your door, you bring him a beer from the fridge ... or you hold the door for him and he brings you the beer. Rigid gender roles and scorekeeping are ... tiresome

Nice picture of you Linda. Where was that taken?