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Postby Voyager » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:07 am

STAMFORD, Connecticut — Travis the chimpanzee's relationship with his owner was closer than those of some married couples.

Sandra Herold gave him the finest food, and wine in long-stemmed glasses. They took baths together and cuddled in the bed they shared. Travis brushed the lonely widow's hair each night and pined for her when she was away.

If she left the house alone, Travis would give her a kiss.

"If I left with someone Travis would get upset," Herold said Wednesday.

Experts say the unusually human relationship would have been confusing for any animal. It may have also played a role in Travis' savage attack Monday on Herold's friend, 55-year-old Charla Nash of Stamford.


"This is a crazy relationship," said Stephen Rene Tello, executive director of Primarily Primates, a sanctuary for chimps in Texas. "He was probably very bonded with her. I can kind of see it in his eyes this is his surrogate mother."

And chimps like 14-year-old Travis, who was shot and killed by police, protect their mates and turf.

"If there is another person entering his space, he might consider it a threat to his territory, or even his mate," Tello said.

Police say Travis attacked Nash when she arrived at the house to help lure the chimp back into Herold's house. Herold speculated that Travis was being protective of her and attacked Nash because she had a different hairstyle, was driving a different car and held a stuffed toy in front of her face to get the chimp's attention.

Nash suffered massive injuries to her face and hands, requiring more than seven hours of surgery by four teams of doctors to stabilize her. She was transferred in critical condition Thursday to the Cleveland Clinic, which two months ago performed the nation's first successful face transplant.


Hospital officials say Nash is being treated for her injuries and it's unknown if she will be a candidate for a face transplant.

Monday's attack was not the first time Travis bit someone, a former Stamford resident now living in Atlanta said Thursday.

Leslie Mostel Paul told The Associated Press the chimp grabbed her hand and bit it hard enough to draw blood in 1996, while the animal was sitting in Herold's car in a Stamford office parking lot. Paul said she had tried to shake Travis' hand after Herold gave her permission to say hello.

Paul described Herold as being more aggravated than upset about the incident, and said she had to get rabies shots because Herold was slow in producing Travis' medical records.

"My impression was she was more like, 'Oh, this is gonna be a pain in the neck,"' Paul said.

Paul said she reported the incident to police but received no follow-up calls.

"I told them this was serious," said Paul, who spoke by phone from New York, where she was visiting relatives. "If it was a child, it could have ripped the hand off or an arm out a socket."

In an earlier interview on NBC's "Today" show, Paul said, "I honestly believe if they had followed through, maybe the laws would have been changed sooner and this other woman wouldn't be in the hospital, fighting for her life now."

Herold did not return a call seeking comment Thursday about Paul's claims. Police say they have no record of complaints, aside from a 2003 incident where Travis escaped from a vehicle and led police on a two-hour downtown chase before he was caught.

Authorities have not said whether Herold will face criminal charges. Connecticut state law allowed her to own the chimp as a pet, though several state leaders are calling for tighter restrictions in the wake of Monday's attack.

Herold, who was known to buckle Travis in her car for rides and dress him in baseball shirts, tried to rescue Nash by stabbing Travis and hitting him with a shovel. "I stabbed something I raised as a son," she said Wednesday.

It's not known why the chimp suddenly attacked. Herold has given differing accounts on whether she treated the agitated chimp with Xanax, an anti-anxiety drug that had not been prescribed for him. She has also said it suffered from Lyme disease. A test for rabies was negative and results from a necropsy won't be available for weeks.

Lynn DellaBianca, a former Stamford animal control officer, said Thursday that she warned Herold after the 2003 incident that the pet's behavior was worrisome and that she needed to make sure he was kept under control.

"Certainly my concern was for public safety," DellaBianca told The Associated Press. "Male chimpanzees once they reach maturity can be aggressive. I'm sure I did express that to her."

Herold told her she expected to eventually have to give up the chimp, DellaBianca said.

"She did say that herself. She knew someone day he would probably have to go to a sanctuary," DellaBianca said. "She knew chimpanzees, they can get more difficult to handle as they get older."

Mental health professionals say a strong bond between pet owners and their animals is generally good because it can be therapeutic and comforting. The boundaries get blurred, though, when owners treat the animals like humans rather than pets, and expect a reciprocal relationship similar to what they would have with a family member.

David Baron, professor and chairman of the Temple University School of Medicine's psychiatry department, said in cases such as Herold's, the grief of losing loved ones could have made it easy for her to view Travis as a surrogate child and friend. Her husband died in 2004 and her only daughter was killed in a car accident several years ago.

"I wouldn't say that she shouldn't have a pet, but this may be something that should be looked at as part of a grief reaction that's beyond normal," he said.

Earl Mason, whose son married Herold's daughter, remembers when Herold got Travis. The chimp would ride a tricycle.

"He grew up like a youngster," Mason said. "He did everything a kid would do. He was a cute little guy."

Travis loved ice cream and even knew the schedules of the ice cream trucks, Mason said. He ate breakfast at the table with Herold and her husband.

But even when the chimp was a baby, Mason was amazed at his strength. When Travis would jump on him, Mason said he would slam into his chest.

"To me he was beating the crap out of me," Mason said. "He had just tremendous strength."

Don Mecca, a family friend, said Herold knew chimps became more difficult to handle as they get older, but she had a hard time parting with her beloved pet.

"Sandy would always say he would will himself to die if they were separated," Mecca said.

Mecca was reluctant to criticize his friend.

"I think he was lost," Mecca said of Travis. "He belongs in the jungle with the rest of them."

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Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:10 am

By the time it's all said and done, this is gonna be one of the weirdest stories of the year, for sure.
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:12 am

I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:12 am

stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean


Oh i think he did
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:14 am

stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean
Maybe she liked "jungle love"
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Postby Voyager » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:15 am

They took baths together and cuddled in the bed they shared. Travis brushed the lonely widow's hair each night and pined for her when she was away.


Uggghh. That is fucking nasty.

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Postby Rhiannon » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:15 am

Agree, possibly one of the strangest stories of '09.
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:17 am

Rhiannon wrote:Agree, possibly one of the strangest stories of '09.
nice pic by the way Ri
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Postby swataz » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:36 am

stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean


I am ashamed to say I thought the same thing this AM when I heard this story...good lord.....
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:40 am

swataz wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean


I am ashamed to say I thought the same thing this AM when I heard this story...good lord.....
that is the first think i thought, they do a 3 way with the chimp
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Postby Jana » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:40 am

swataz wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean


I am ashamed to say I thought the same thing this AM when I heard this story...good lord.....


I did not read this. I did not read this. I did not read this. Please erase from my mind.
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:43 am

Jana wrote:
swataz wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean


I am ashamed to say I thought the same thing this AM when I heard this story...good lord.....


I did not read this. I did not read this. I did not read this. Please erase from my mind.
did you expect any less come on
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:52 am

This is some sick crap, this woman with her pet chimp.
Poor chimp.
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Postby swataz » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:55 am

Really. I mean, who really knows what the hell was going on with that woman and the chimp. These kinds of stories bring to light some really creepy things. Who the hell takes baths with a chimpanzee? Well, except this woman, of course.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:59 am

Why is this a thread here?
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Postby Behshad » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:05 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Why is this a thread here?



No shit,,, its like DejaFuckinVu,.,,

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Seriously,

We have another thread with the same subject and even the same article,,,, :? 8)
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Postby Behshad » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:07 am

Voyager wrote:STAMFORD, Connecticut — Travis the chimpanzee's relationship with his owner was closer than those of some married couples.

Sandra Herold gave him the finest food, and wine in long-stemmed glasses. They took baths together and cuddled in the bed they shared. Travis brushed the lonely widow's hair each night and pined for her when she was away.

If she left the house alone, Travis would give her a kiss.

"If I left with someone Travis would get upset," Herold said Wednesday.

Experts say the unusually human relationship would have been confusing for any animal. It may have also played a role in Travis' savage attack Monday on Herold's friend, 55-year-old Charla Nash of Stamford.


"This is a crazy relationship," said Stephen Rene Tello, executive director of Primarily Primates, a sanctuary for chimps in Texas. "He probably boned her. I can kind of see it in his eyes this is his bitch."

And chimps like 14-year-old Travis, who was shot and killed by police, protect their mates and turf.

"If there is another person entering his space, he might consider it a threat to his territory, or even his mate," Tello said.

Police say Travis attacked Nash when she arrived at the house to help lure the chimp back into Herold's house. Herold speculated that Travis was being protective of her and attacked Nash because she had a different hairstyle, was driving a different car and held a stuffed toy in front of her face to get the chimp's attention.

Nash suffered massive injuries to her face and hands, requiring more than seven hours of surgery by four teams of doctors to stabilize her. She was transferred in critical condition Thursday to the Cleveland Clinic, which two months ago performed the nation's first successful face transplant.


Hospital officials say Nash is being treated for her injuries and it's unknown if she will be a candidate for a face transplant.

Monday's attack was not the first time Travis bit someone, a former Stamford resident now living in Atlanta said Thursday.

Leslie Mostel Paul told The Associated Press the chimp grabbed her hand and bit it hard enough to draw blood in 1996, while the animal was sitting in Herold's car in a Stamford office parking lot. Paul said she had tried to shake Travis' hand after Herold gave her permission to say hello.

Paul described Herold as being more aggravated than upset about the incident, and said she had to get rabies shots because Herold was slow in producing Travis' medical records.

"My impression was she was more like, 'Oh, this is gonna be a pain in the neck,"' Paul said.

Paul said she reported the incident to police but received no follow-up calls.

"I told them this was serious," said Paul, who spoke by phone from New York, where she was visiting relatives. "If it was a child, it could have ripped the hand off or an arm out a socket."

In an earlier interview on NBC's "Today" show, Paul said, "I honestly believe if they had followed through, maybe the laws would have been changed sooner and this other woman wouldn't be in the hospital, fighting for her life now."

Herold did not return a call seeking comment Thursday about Paul's claims. Police say they have no record of complaints, aside from a 2003 incident where Travis escaped from a vehicle and led police on a two-hour downtown chase before he was caught.

Authorities have not said whether Herold will face criminal charges. Connecticut state law allowed her to own the chimp as a pet, though several state leaders are calling for tighter restrictions in the wake of Monday's attack.

Herold, who was known to buckle Travis in her car for rides and dress him in baseball shirts, tried to rescue Nash by stabbing Travis and hitting him with a shovel. "I stabbed something I raised as a son," she said Wednesday.

It's not known why the chimp suddenly attacked. Herold has given differing accounts on whether she treated the agitated chimp with Xanax, an anti-anxiety drug that had not been prescribed for him. She has also said it suffered from Lyme disease. A test for rabies was negative and results from a necropsy won't be available for weeks.

Lynn DellaBianca, a former Stamford animal control officer, said Thursday that she warned Herold after the 2003 incident that the pet's behavior was worrisome and that she needed to make sure he was kept under control.

"Certainly my concern was for public safety," DellaBianca told The Associated Press. "Male chimpanzees once they reach maturity can be aggressive. I'm sure I did express that to her."

Herold told her she expected to eventually have to give up the chimp, DellaBianca said.

"She did say that herself. She knew someone day he would probably have to go to a sanctuary," DellaBianca said. "She knew chimpanzees, they can get more difficult to handle as they get older."

Mental health professionals say a strong bond between pet owners and their animals is generally good because it can be therapeutic and comforting. The boundaries get blurred, though, when owners treat the animals like humans rather than pets, and expect a reciprocal relationship similar to what they would have with a family member.

David Baron, professor and chairman of the Temple University School of Medicine's psychiatry department, said in cases such as Herold's, the grief of losing loved ones could have made it easy for her to view Travis as a surrogate child and friend. Her husband died in 2004 and her only daughter was killed in a car accident several years ago.

"I wouldn't say that she shouldn't have a pet, but this may be something that should be looked at as part of a grief reaction that's beyond normal," he said.

Earl Mason, whose son married Herold's daughter, remembers when Herold got Travis. The chimp would ride a tricycle.

"He grew up like a youngster," Mason said. "He did everything a kid would do. He was a cute little guy."

Travis loved ice cream and even knew the schedules of the ice cream trucks, Mason said. He ate breakfast at the table with Herold and her husband.

But even when the chimp was a baby, Mason was amazed at his strength. When Travis would jump on him, Mason said he would slam into his chest.

"To me he was beating the crap out of me," Mason said. "He had just tremendous strength."

Don Mecca, a family friend, said Herold knew chimps became more difficult to handle as they get older, but she had a hard time parting with her beloved pet.

"Sandy would always say he would will himself to die if they were separated," Mecca said.

Mecca was reluctant to criticize his friend.

"I think he was lost," Mecca said of Travis. "He belongs in the jungle with the rest of them."

:shock:


I'll even correct this one for you too Voyager! :shock:
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Postby Peartree12249 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:11 am

:shock: :shock: :shock: That is just sooooo nasty!
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Postby Behshad » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:39 am

Peartree12249 wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: That is just sooooo nasty!


Why? She was just going back to her roots 8)

Besides, how many men do you know that will brush their women's hair, take bubble bath with her , drink wine with her and listen to her without talking back!? :lol:
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Postby Suzanne » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:49 am

Behshad wrote:
Peartree12249 wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: That is just sooooo nasty!


Why? She was just going back to her roots 8)

Besides, how many men do you know that will brush their women's hair, take bubble bath with her , drink wine with her and listen to her without talking back!? :lol:


Mine does all of that. Oh, you meant a real life man and not the one in my imagination. :lol:
I think my REAL man brushed my hair once, never took a bath with me (although he mentions doing that, yeah right.) we've had wine but damn if he ever listens to me. :lol:

This whole thing with the chimp is just creepy. :shock:
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Postby Tito » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:53 am

stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean


They should be able to marry. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:55 am

Tito wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean


They should be able to marry. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I figured you were for gay marrige, being you are are up Frigas ass all the time
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Postby Behshad » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:58 am

Tito wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean


They should be able to marry. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



I knew you'd say that. Remember this??? :lol: How is she !? :D

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Postby Tito » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:58 am

stevew2 wrote:
Tito wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean


They should be able to marry. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I figured you were for gay marrige, being you are are up Frigas ass all the time


I am NOT for gay marriage.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:09 am

Tito wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Tito wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean


They should be able to marry. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I figured you were for gay marrige, being you are are up Frigas ass all the time


I am NOT for gay marriage.


How do you know the chimp is gay :P
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Postby StevePerryHair » Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:13 am

Behshad wrote:
Peartree12249 wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: That is just sooooo nasty!


Why? She was just going back to her roots 8)

Besides, how many men do you know that will brush their women's hair, take bubble bath with her , drink wine with her and listen to her without talking back!? :lol:


:lol: :lol: Damn, maybe they SHOULD allow chimp/human marriage :shock: :lol: :lol:
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:23 am

Tito wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Tito wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean


They should be able to marry. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I figured you were for gay marrige, being you are are up Frigas ass all the time


I am NOT for gay marriage.
Then why are you up frigas tailhole 24/7 ?
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Postby Don » Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:23 am

StevePerryHair wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Peartree12249 wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: That is just sooooo nasty!


Why? She was just going back to her roots 8)

Besides, how many men do you know that will brush their women's hair, take bubble bath with her , drink wine with her and listen to her without talking back!? :lol:


:lol: :lol: Damn, maybe they SHOULD allow chimp/human marriage :shock: :lol: :lol:


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Postby stevew2 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:25 am

Gunbot wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Peartree12249 wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: That is just sooooo nasty!


Why? She was just going back to her roots 8)

Besides, how many men do you know that will brush their women's hair, take bubble bath with her , drink wine with her and listen to her without talking back!? :lol:


:lol: :lol: Damn, maybe they SHOULD allow chimp/human marriage :shock: :lol: :lol:


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Postby Tito » Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:42 am

stevew2 wrote:
Tito wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Tito wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I wonder weither the Chimp serviced the wife {if ya know what i mean


They should be able to marry. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I figured you were for gay marrige, being you are are up Frigas ass all the time


I am NOT for gay marriage.
Then why are you up frigas tailhole 24/7 ?


Because of people like you! You bash him for no reason. Someone needs to defend him. Although I'm probably saving your ass instead because lets not forget, "HE LETS YOU LIVE!"
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