Another Odd Festival For Journey

[S2M]

If they became an Iron Maiden tribute band, they'd do just fine.....imagine Arnel signing 'The Trooper', and Neal TRYING to copy 3 guitarists.

[bluejeangirl76]

If they became an Iron Maiden tribute band, they'd do just fine.....imagine Arnel signing 'The Trooper', and Neal TRYING to copy 3 guitarists.

They seem to be doing alright at being a Journey tribute band, though. Why switch gears now?

[Rick]

Could Journey be debuting a load of live material at these festivals, signifying a move into a heavier and more progressive direction?

They could do it, no question.

Technically, they could...

But they wouldn't have made such a big deal of going back to the "legacy sound" with Arnel if they were going to shift to a heavier, more progressive direction.

AP can sing almost anything.

Check this video out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nlEq5VID_M

[SF-Dano]

Other than Edge of the Blade and Dead or Alive, what do they have to put in the setlist that would work for these crowds?

Weird.

Chain Reaction, Keep On Runnin, Where Were You, Wheel, Line of Fire, Sep Ways, Troubled Child, Rubicon, Out of Harm's Way, Winds of March, and some old classics like Kohoutek, Of a Lifetime, Topaz etc.

Plenty of songs, really. Give Neal more face time, much of the crowd will love it, guaranteed.

You're absolutely right. Neal is probably lovin' this. People and Places would be a nice retro touch, even though not hard rock.

Add in World Gone Wild, Hustler, Karma, Self Defencse, State of Grace, The Time, One More, Can't Tame the Lion, Message of Love............. Yea they could definitely throw together a rockin set. Though if this kind of set ever happened, which I don't believe it will, I would have to sell my soul to be there.

[Behshad]

Other than Edge of the Blade and Dead or Alive, what do they have to put in the setlist that would work for these crowds?

Weird.

Chain Reaction, Keep On Runnin, Where Were You, Wheel, Line of Fire, Sep Ways, Troubled Child, Rubicon, Out of Harm's Way, Winds of March, and some old classics like Kohoutek, Of a Lifetime, Topaz etc.

Plenty of songs, really. Give Neal more face time, much of the crowd will love it, guaranteed.

You're absolutely right. Neal is probably lovin' this. People and Places would be a nice retro touch, even though not hard rock.

Add in World Gone Wild, Hustler, Karma, Self Defencse, State of Grace, The Time, One More, Can't Tame the Lion, Message of Love............. Yea they could definitely throw together a rockin set. Though if this kind of set ever happened, which I don't believe it will, I would have to sell my soul to be there.

I bet it will cost more than $40 . You may have to sell one of your kidneys too, to cover the airfare...

[jrnyman28]

I was checking out the band in your sig. They sound great.

I really dig them, good bluesy rock and the chick can SANG! Been trying to get to one of their shows for a while but it just doesn't seem to work out for me...

[jrnyman28]

As stated, these festivals COULD give Journey room to rock hard, change direction a little and expand their fan base. All of that needs to happen.....but none of it will.

[Gideon]

I'm with Gunbot. I'm hoping this is the sign that Journey is going to become far more rock oriented.

If they became an Iron Maiden tribute band, they'd do just fine.....imagine Arnel signing 'The Trooper', and Neal TRYING to copy 3 guitarists.

They seem to be doing alright at being a Journey tribute band, though. Why switch gears now?

They're not a tribute band.

[Rick]

I was checking out the band in your sig. They sound great.

I really dig them, good bluesy rock and the chick can SANG! Been trying to get to one of their shows for a while but it just doesn't seem to work out for me...

You ain't kiddin. She's not bad looking either.

[Gideon]

As stated, these festivals COULD give Journey room to rock hard, change direction a little and expand their fan base. All of that needs to happen.....but none of it will.

I don't quite understand it, myself. You'd think the boys would be sensible enough to recognize that their success, relative to their heyday, is modest. They can go out and tour sell out shows and stay somewhat relevant, but they're not going to top the charts or the world again. Time to do what Neal claims he's "always" wanted to do: rock harder. No more appropriate time to do it.

[jrnyman28]

Sadly, the opportunity for Journey to 'not become a nostalgia band' and to 'rock harder' changing direction has long passed. Journey is too concerned about losing their casual fanbase because they equal asses in seats on tour. If it were just about the music for Journey they would have slowly altered their setlist starting with the Arrival tour. By now they would be playing a 50/50 or even 40/60 split of hits/new to their core fans. But Journey doesn't care about the core fans....

[Don]

I'm with Gunbot. I'm hoping this is the sign that Journey is going to become far more rock oriented.

If they became an Iron Maiden tribute band, they'd do just fine.....imagine Arnel signing 'The Trooper', and Neal TRYING to copy 3 guitarists.

They seem to be doing alright at being a Journey tribute band, though. Why switch gears now?

They're not a tribute band.

It's not going to happen though. If this was their plan they would have kept Jeff. I think they're trying to push their image as an international band by taking these gigs all over the world. Unfortunately, it just makes them look a little lost. Walmart doesn't need them any more. Sony will probably tell them to get bent after doing the re-records. Who is going to distribute Journey's next album?Maybe this is the reason they are trying to create awareness in Europe. Maybe they will try to hook up with a big label over there in the near future.

[jrnyman28]

Maybe this is the reason they are trying to create awareness in Europe. Maybe they will try to hook up with a big label over there in the near future.

They already have a relationship with the Frontiers label.

[jrnyman28]

I was checking out the band in your sig. They sound great.

I really dig them, good bluesy rock and the chick can SANG! Been trying to get to one of their shows for a while but it just doesn't seem to work out for me...

You ain't kiddin. She's not bad looking either.

It's funny because she does not look like her voice.

[Gideon]

It's not going to happen though.

Probably not, though one could always hope.

If this was their plan they would have kept Jeff.

This is where I disagree. With all due respect to JSS, I'm not particularly fond of the rock music that he churns out. At least not in the "Stand Up and Shout" variety. In contrast, Arnel is a much more diverse vocalist who meets the "tenor voice" criteria that has become associated with Journey, according to Neal. I want Journey to rock hard, not to lose their identity completely; if I want typical hard rock or metal, I'll listen to another band. But I like Journey's brand of hard rock and wish they'd simply create more of it.

And, lastly, I really don't think JSS would have changed the band that much. It's Neal's band and I honestly don't believe JSS would ever have taken the role of ringleader. I think Neal was fed up with it having to endure Perry's reign to the point he'd never allow someone that amount of control.

I think they're trying to push their image as an international band by taking these gigs all over the world. Unfortunately, it just makes them look a little lost. Walmart doesn't need them any more. Sony will probably tell them to get bent after doing the re-records. Who is going to distribute Journey's next album?Maybe this is the reason they are trying to create awareness in Europe. Maybe they will try to hook up with a big label over there in the near future.

That's a good possibility too.

[Don]

Maybe this is the reason they are trying to create awareness in Europe. Maybe they will try to hook up with a big label over there in the near future.

They already have a relationship with the Frontiers label.

Would Frontiers be able to distribute here in the states. I see Journey Music for Red 13 and Sanctuary for Generations as the labels for those albums. Who does the manufacturing and distribution of CD's or digital content. This is assuming Walmart doesn't, which I think will be the case as none of the other loss leader releases have been duplicated by the same artists.

[Arkansas]

Sadly, the opportunity for Journey to 'not become a nostalgia band' and to 'rock harder' changing direction has long passed. Journey is too concerned about losing their casual fanbase because they equal asses in seats on tour. If it were just about the music for Journey they would have slowly altered their setlist starting with the Arrival tour. By now they would be playing a 50/50 or even 40/60 split of hits/new to their core fans. But Journey doesn't care about the core fans....

Play different sets depending on where there are.
Do Euro festivals as a solid hard rock band.
Do America as the good old GH band.
I think they could take on different continental personas.

If nothing else, they could dust off 'State of Grace' as the Euro opener.
It's heavy and a little dark. Could fit in nicely for these fests.


later~

[Behshad]

Sadly, the opportunity for Journey to 'not become a nostalgia band' and to 'rock harder' changing direction has long passed. Journey is too concerned about losing their casual fanbase because they equal asses in seats on tour. If it were just about the music for Journey they would have slowly altered their setlist starting with the Arrival tour. By now they would be playing a 50/50 or even 40/60 split of hits/new to their core fans. But Journey doesn't care about the core fans....

Play different sets depending on where there are.
Do Euro festivals as a solid hard rock band.
Do America as the good old GH band.
Make and sell as many black tshirts as they possibly can.
I think they could take on different continental personas.

If nothing else, they could dust off 'State of Grace' as the Euro opener.
It's heavy and a little dark. Could fit in nicely for these fests.


later~

I corrected it for ya

[jrnyman28]

Play different sets depending on where there are.
Do Euro festivals as a solid hard rock band.
Do America as the good old GH band.
I think they could take on different continental personas.

Sucks for us.

If nothing else, they could dust off 'State of Grace' as the Euro opener.
It's heavy and a little dark. Could fit in nicely for these fests.


later~

Now THAT is an idea I like!!

[Arkansas]

Sadly, the opportunity for Journey to 'not become a nostalgia band' and to 'rock harder' changing direction has long passed. Journey is too concerned about losing their casual fanbase because they equal asses in seats on tour. If it were just about the music for Journey they would have slowly altered their setlist starting with the Arrival tour. By now they would be playing a 50/50 or even 40/60 split of hits/new to their core fans. But Journey doesn't care about the core fans....

Play different sets depending on where there are.
Do Euro festivals as a solid hard rock band.
Do America as the good old GH band.
Make and sell as many black tshirts as they possibly can.
I think they could take on different continental personas.

If nothing else, they could dust off 'State of Grace' as the Euro opener.
It's heavy and a little dark. Could fit in nicely for these fests.


later~

I corrected it for ya

Well of course, if they ever want to be NY icons like The Ramones.


later~

[Behshad]

The european festivals theyre doing are gonna be a laughing matter .
They need to just plan a tour here in US . Just like last year, they will sell out venues and get their name out their once more. That recipe has worked for them so many times before, so why change it?

[JRNYFan]

Play different sets depending on where there are.
Do Euro festivals as a solid hard rock band.
Do America as the good old GH band.
I think they could take on different continental personas.

Sucks for us.

If nothing else, they could dust off 'State of Grace' as the Euro opener.
It's heavy and a little dark. Could fit in nicely for these fests.


later~

Now THAT is an idea I like!!

Amen. I sure hope SOG sees the light of day again.

[Don]

Neal must be sitting there thinking
"I'm about to turn 55, Perry is gone and I'm still playing gay shit like Open Arms, Well not anymore! I'll surprise all their asses! I am a great rock guitarist Damn it, Yes I am!"

[jrnyman28]

Neal must be sitting there thinking
"I'm about to turn 55, Perry is gone and I'm still playing gay shit like Open Arms, Well not anymore! I'll surprise all their asses! I am a great rock guitarist Damn it, Yes I am!"

Yep. He thought he was done with Open Arms when the Arrival Tour came around but the backlash was apparantly bad enough for him to reconsider...

[Gideon]

Neal must be sitting there thinking
"I'm about to turn 55, Perry is gone and I'm still playing gay shit like Open Arms, Well not anymore! I'll surprise all their asses! I am a great rock guitarist Damn it, Yes I am!"

Neal's skills were evident even when Perry was running the show. Though he's not nearly as famous as he'd like to be, I'm pretty sure that most musicians know who he is and that he's well respected by his peers.

[StoneCold]

Could Journey be debuting a load of live material at these festivals, signifying a move into a heavier and more progressive direction?

They could do it, no question.

Technically, they could...

But they wouldn't have made such a big deal of going back to the "legacy sound" with Arnel if they were going to shift to a heavier, more progressive direction.

Neal prolly sees this as a chance to veer away from the DD and play 1st3 album tracks and rip it up a little. Good move.

Progs suggestion is plausible as well but doubt they'll get to heavy on releases. These guys know which side their breads buttered on.

[Don]

I just learned a new (for me anyway) term for Journey, "Heritage act" meaning they're good for playing summer concerts every year but don't expect any new triple platinum or diamond record sales out of them when it comes to new material.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Neal must be sitting there thinking
"I'm about to turn 55, Perry is gone and I'm still playing gay shit like Open Arms, Well not anymore! I'll surprise all their asses! I am a great rock guitarist Damn it, Yes I am!"

Yep. He thought he was done with Open Arms when the Arrival Tour came around but the backlash was apparantly bad enough for him to reconsider...

They didn't play Open Arms on the first few dates of the tour with Def Leppard in 2006 either, but again the backlash made it return to the set.

[Arkansas]

Play different sets depending on where there are.
Do Euro festivals as a solid hard rock band.
Do America as the good old GH band.
I think they could take on different continental personas.

later~

Along these lines, maybe they keep AP for America & Asia, and get JSS for Europe?
They could go darker, heavier, and maybe do a little Soul Sirkus.
There might be some Euro-legs to Euro-Journey, no?
I mean, who says the same old constant band has to be the same old constant band?
Mix it up a little...depending on the audience.


later~

[JRNYFan]

Play different sets depending on where there are.
Do Euro festivals as a solid hard rock band.
Do America as the good old GH band.
I think they could take on different continental personas.

later~

Along these lines, maybe they keep AP for America & Asia, and get JSS for Europe?
They could go darker, heavier, and maybe do a little Soul Sirkus.
There might be some Euro-legs to Euro-Journey, no?
I mean, who says the same old constant band has to be the same old constant band?
Mix it up a little...depending on the audience.


later~

As different as that sounds, it actually sounds pretty good. Too bad JSS would spit in their face if offered.