Official Website??

[Jubilee]

It has always been my contention that Journey couldn't care less about their long-time, hardcore fanbase …too many factions …we know all their dirty laundry … can’t please everyone.

Their past members’contributions be damned, it’s all about telling new fans (and the casuals that have found their site) that this is the only Journey lineup that is relevant (today). And no message forums allowed to muck the waters!!!

As Lora said …highly predictable.

::Sigh::

Yes. I suppose the band is in a bit of a sticky position here. The band does have a long (long) history, but it's been littered with false starts (how many singers have they burned through now?) and yawning gaps. There's no point in emphasizing that any more than necessary. One would think the band would want include a respectful nod to to past even as they look to the future, but perhaps that lends itself to too many uncomfortable questions.

Now, the loon in me says there's no way for Journey to relegate Perry to the dust heap of history. He may not have been the bands first singer, and he certainly wasn't the last, but, he's the only one who ever mattered. They better recognize...

[annie89509]

Calm down, Stevew, nobody but Journey worshippers are going there. This is still the place to be for "balanced" Journey talk and info.

[stevew2]

i havent seen to many[present company excluded}

[Don]

Relax Steve, it's just like when WTF came along. It was cool for a new york minute, then everybody got bored with it.

[annie89509]

It has always been my contention that Journey couldn't care less about their long-time, hardcore fanbase …too many factions …we know all their dirty laundry … can’t please everyone.

Their past members’contributions be damned, it’s all about telling new fans (and the casuals that have found their site) that this is the only Journey lineup that is relevant (today). And no message forums allowed to muck the waters!!!

As Lora said …highly predictable.

::Sigh::

Yes. I suppose the band is in a bit of a sticky position here. The band does have a long (long) history, but it's been littered with false starts (how many singers have they burned through now?) and yawning gaps. There's no point in emphasizing that any more than necessary. One would think the band would want include a respectful nod to to past even as they look to the future, but perhaps that lends itself to too many uncomfortable questions.

Now, the loon in me says there's no way for Journey to relegate Perry to the dust heap of history. He may not have been the bands first singer, and he certainly wasn't the last, but, he's the only one who ever mattered. They better recognize...

They recognize, Jubilee, but they don't want to emphasize. It's been this way since the SA era. Every publicity they ever released, SP's name is mentioned in passing, minimized to the role of a former lead singer (1 of several). Yet, JC and NS are the architects of soooo many hit songs. Haha, I had a fight with JoePa and J28 over this same debate year or 2 ago.

[Don]

The new site lets everyone blog. I think it's a way to let people recognize their favorite members of the band without getting trashed by the loons. You just put your profile on private so only your friends can comment. No threads get started where people can call you a hater because you prefer Perry over Arnel or JSS over Augeri. Getting rid of the forums saves the band a lot of headaches.

[Jubilee]

It has always been my contention that Journey couldn't care less about their long-time, hardcore fanbase …too many factions …we know all their dirty laundry … can’t please everyone.

Their past members’contributions be damned, it’s all about telling new fans (and the casuals that have found their site) that this is the only Journey lineup that is relevant (today). And no message forums allowed to muck the waters!!!

As Lora said …highly predictable.

::Sigh::

Yes. I suppose the band is in a bit of a sticky position here. The band does have a long (long) history, but it's been littered with false starts (how many singers have they burned through now?) and yawning gaps. There's no point in emphasizing that any more than necessary. One would think the band would want include a respectful nod to to past even as they look to the future, but perhaps that lends itself to too many uncomfortable questions.

Now, the loon in me says there's no way for Journey to relegate Perry to the dust heap of history. He may not have been the bands first singer, and he certainly wasn't the last, but, he's the only one who ever mattered. They better recognize...

They recognize, Jubilee, but they don't want to emphasize. It's been this way since the SA era. Every publicity they ever released, SP's name is mentioned in passing, minimized to the role of a former lead singer (1 of several). Yet, JC and NS are the architects of soooo many hit songs. Haha, I had a fight with JoePa and J28 over this same debate year or 2 ago.

Alas. Sad, but true...

[stevew2]

The new site lets everyone blog. I think it's a way to let people recognize their favorite members of the band without getting trashed by the loons. You just put your profile on private so only your friends can comment. No threads get started where people can call you a hater because you prefer Perry over Arnel or JSS over Augeri. Getting rid of the forums saves the band a lot of headaches.

i went there and that site is so fucking retarded and over moderated. If you want join and have someone tell you what you can say , go for it.it is even worse than backtalk was. then you could post shit an it would get deleted [very timely] Now if you post it doesnt even go on there until they approve it ,and you cant even talk back and forth,if you like that shit you are a fuckin retard period,you might as well wet your lipps for frigas little dinkdong,what a peice of shit site that is.Grow some balls

[annie89509]

The new site lets everyone blog. I think it's a way to let people recognize their favorite members of the band without getting trashed by the loons. You just put your profile on private so only your friends can comment. No threads get started where people can call you a hater because you prefer Perry over Arnel or JSS over Augeri. Getting rid of the forums saves the band a lot of headaches.

Just not worth my time, GB. I never bothered to sign up as member of any of the incarnations of the official site. (Got everyone of their records, though)

[Don]

I guess we're all retards then for posting our Perry, JSS and Augeri pics and trying to represent. Better to just let them bury the past as if it never happened.
I can say though that the majority of people missing from here are not over there. They have gone somewhere else. For my 2 cents though, Andrew has put a lot into this site so I'm sticking it out here, even if there is only three or four of us posting.

[stevew2]

I guess we're all retards then for posting our Perry, JSS and Augeri pics and trying to represent. Better to just let them bury the past as if it never happened.
I can say though that the majority of people missing from here are not over there. They have gone somewhere else. For my 2 cents though, Andrew has put a lot into this site so I'm sticking it out here, even if there is only three or four of us posting.

Im hangin around fuck it,other sites have come and gone

[Don]

I'm not trying to win any popularity contests or anything. I just don't understand all the boardwars shit. This cyberwar crap is the gayest shit I ever heard of. Fucking fag battles that I totally don't get.

[stevew2]

i really dont know what happened,came on here , alot of people are gone

[Jana]

I guess we're all retards then for posting our Perry, JSS and Augeri pics and trying to represent. Better to just let them bury the past as if it never happened.
I can say though that the majority of people missing from here are not over there. They have gone somewhere else. For my 2 cents though, Andrew has put a lot into this site so I'm sticking it out here, even if there is only three or four of us posting.

Im hangin around fuck it,other sites have come and gone

I like this site, the good, the bad, and the ugly. It always balances itself out. If people bail, then they're not supporting their position regarding the band, which I miss hearing. I'll stay here and always celebrate Journey's music with Perry and Augeri, and support the band and always applaud Neal's decision to hire Arnel, but state my opinion if I feel strongly about something regarding their decisions or performances great, average or bad and gladly debate it.

Plus I like all the other topics and the comedy is priceless.

[SherriBerry]

I guess we're all retards then for posting our Perry, JSS and Augeri pics and trying to represent. Better to just let them bury the past as if it never happened.
I can say though that the majority of people missing from here are not over there. They have gone somewhere else. For my 2 cents though, Andrew has put a lot into this site so I'm sticking it out here, even if there is only three or four of us posting.

Where did everyone go? It can't be nearly as interesting as MR and after all of the time and work Andrew has put into this site, why would longtime posters bail?

[Don]

It's like Shakespeare's king Lear when all his sons went off to create their own kingdoms and then tried to overtake his.
"Ran", a movie by Akira Kurosawa illustrates it perfectly.

[stevew2]

It's like Shakespeare's king Lear when all his sons went off to create their own kingdoms and then tried to overtake his.
"Ran", a movie by Akira Kurosawa illustrates it perfectly.

Was Shakespeare gay?? he had to be

[Don]

It's like Shakespeare's king Lear when all his sons went off to create their own kingdoms and then tried to overtake his.
"Ran", a movie by Akira Kurosawa illustrates it perfectly.

Was Shakespeare gay?? he had to be

I believe he was a womanizer but some actually believe he was a woman.

[stevew2]

It's like Shakespeare's king Lear when all his sons went off to create their own kingdoms and then tried to overtake his.
"Ran", a movie by Akira Kurosawa illustrates it perfectly.

Was Shakespeare gay?? he had to be

I believe he was a womanizer

i hate that fuckin song,my daughter plays that fucker all day long ,womanizer womanizer

[SherriBerry]

It's like Shakespeare's king Lear when all his sons went off to create their own kingdoms and then tried to overtake his.
"Ran", a movie by Akira Kurosawa illustrates it perfectly.

Anyone care to tell me which individuals are playing the roles of Taro, Jiro, and Saburo?

[Arianddu]

My guess is people are just busy at the moment. Work, real life - it happens. You step back for a bit while you do your real life stuff, then you come back to the internet to play. Just coincidence that a couple of busy posters have all taken a step back at the same time. And really - Deano, St John, Tito (for quite a while) - who else is MIA? FinalFight is working, ScarabGator said he was leaving; what's all the mystery?

[Red13JoePa]

Um the floral swirl designs are on the Revelation cover, why are people surprised to see them? The site is designed off that cover... I don't remember these complaints when the cover was released...

On one album cover is one thing, but given that it's all over the web pages and in combination with the colour scheme, it's a bit much. Instead of being part of the unique design of one cover, the floral scrolls are on everything on the site. I'm not saying that they should not be anywhere on their website, but unless they plan on making the floral scroll a band symbol, it's overkill.

Nice backpedal after being proved dead wrong. "Too many floral arrangements, reminds me of my bathroom"
Sara writes:"Er, that's the current album design."
You write: "Oh. Well, still too much."

If this kind of hair splitting bullshit doesn't prove that this band can and will never win by some fans of ex singers...

[SherriBerry]

Um the floral swirl designs are on the Revelation cover, why are people surprised to see them? The site is designed off that cover... I don't remember these complaints when the cover was released...

On one album cover is one thing, but given that it's all over the web pages and in combination with the colour scheme, it's a bit much. Instead of being part of the unique design of one cover, the floral scrolls are on everything on the site. I'm not saying that they should not be anywhere on their website, but unless they plan on making the floral scroll a band symbol, it's overkill.

Nice backpedal after being proved dead wrong. "Too many floral arrangements, reminds me of my bathroom"
Sara writes:"Er, that's the current album design."
You write: "Oh. Well, still too much."

If this kind of hair splitting bullshit doesn't prove that this band can and will never win by some fans of ex singers...

No backpedal and not proven wrong on any count. The fact that it's on the album cover is irrelevant; I don't like it there either and it still looks like the tile trim on my bathroom wall. It's on every line of the links page and every page on the site - overkill. If the band likes it, that's up to them, but I don't and I'm saying so. I'm assuming you bothered to read my original post and all you took from that was one comment about the floral scrolls? By the way, I'm as much a fan of the band as I am of Steve Perry - if you had read my own threads or other comments you might have known that and I've often defended Neal. That's why I am so disappointed in this latest screwup - did you even read my response to your last post or were you too fixated on my floral scroll commentary?

[Red13JoePa]

"Irrelevant."

OK

You didn't know what it WAS when you criticized it, we gave a perfectly good reason for it being there so you change the argument.

[SherriBerry]

"Irrelevant."

OK

You didn't know what it WAS when you criticized it, we gave a perfectly good reason for it being there so you change the argument.

No, I didn't recognize it when I saw it and I'm glad Sarah explained where it came from, but that doesn't change the fact that I don't like it as a design - that's why it's irrelevant to me. I think it was a poor design addition to the album cover and I don't like it for reasons already explained. The fact that they decided to take that particular element off of said cover and splatter it all over their new website was not, in my opinion, a good choice. Again, one point out of many. And now I want to change the tile in my bathroom - great

[Behshad]

"Irrelevant."

OK

You didn't know what it WAS when you criticized it, we gave a perfectly good reason for it being there so you change the argument.

There was a time when I used to take pleasure in your beating of some EX-members , when you would throw some facts in their faces and make them walk down the hall of shame, bro. It saddens me to see that a floral design on Journey's website is the latest victory you've accomplished in a while

Guess times have changed and we've all adjusted to accept the fact thet we are easily entertained by any little thing that happens around here and most importantly we're proud to win a battle, even if it is over something as stupid as proving SherriBerry that there is no connection between Journey's website design and her new bathroom !!

[Red13JoePa]

Yea, there was a time (wipes tear).
Then the band makes perfectly rightful business decisions and some people who get attached to singers get angry, choose up sides and that's it...

no more fact-laden beatdowns that send people down halls of shame, we just all beat eachother with our own severed limbs, those that choose to allow the band to do what it does and those who don;t.

[strangegrey]

This has been a laugable thread to read....

I'm amazed that a redesign of the band's website, a change of web personnel or the way with which the site is moderated raises such contention.

Hell, it even happened to me. Stupid c*ntrags with nothing better to do than dry hump their cats and propose hair-brained theories as to why I no longer worked on the site....It really eclipses any amount of bile me or anyone else on Journey's death ring of websites has ever done.

Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is here. The band wants to maintain full control of their website and how people interact on it. It's their choice. Personally, if I were an artist and I threw out a few douchebags or better yet, sandbagged a few worthy folks as well...the last thing I'd want are fans or ex-fans (that haven't bought a record of mine in 8 years) trying to dredge up past history and make me look bad. I'd tell em to fuck off and kick their asses off the site too....and there'd probably be a few dozen sites where they can talk shit about me and put my face onto Napoleon's body. whatever...lol

Let the band fully control the site the way they want...if you don't like it, deal. But to stretch a thread out over here, waste good Andrew's bandwidth on all this crap...is, well, a waste of time, money, energy, feces and anything else worthy to those that have posted in it.


Who cares....You may like, love or hate these people with all of your expendable energy....but to direct it at their fucking website? holy crap...this is silly.

Neal got his future ex-wife to do the site....big fucking deal. He probably saved some money on the deal. Hell, I *know* how fucking cheap they can be when it comes to paying for their websites.....Neal probably thought, "I could pay CJ XXX dollars for this, or I can shoot a few loads into Carpenter's mouth"...hmmm....I'm not sure I'd do any different as Neal.

[Jana]

This has been a laugable thread to read....

I'm amazed that a redesign of the band's website, a change of web personnel or the way with which the site is moderated raises such contention.

Hell, it even happened to me. Stupid c*ntrags with nothing better to do than dry hump their cats and propose hair-brained theories as to why I no longer worked on the site....It really eclipses any amount of bile me or anyone else on Journey's death ring of websites has ever done.

Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is here. The band wants to maintain full control of their website and how people interact on it. It's their choice. Personally, if I were an artist and I threw out a few douchebags or better yet, sandbagged a few worthy folks as well...the last thing I'd want are fans or ex-fans (that haven't bought a record of mine in 8 years) trying to dredge up past history and make me look bad. I'd tell em to fuck off and kick their asses off the site too....and there'd probably be a few dozen sites where they can talk shit about me and put my face onto Napoleon's body. whatever...lol

Let the band fully control the site the way they want...if you don't like it, deal. But to stretch a thread out over here, waste good Andrew's bandwidth on all this crap...is, well, a waste of time, money, energy, feces and anything else worthy to those that have posted in it.


Who cares....You may like, love or hate these people with all of your expendable energy....but to direct it at their fucking website? holy crap...this is silly.

Neal got his future ex-wife to do the site....big fucking deal. He probably saved some money on the deal. Hell, I *know* how fucking cheap they can be when it comes to paying for their websites.....Neal probably thought, "I could pay CJ XXX dollars for this, or I can shoot a few loads into Carpenter's mouth"...hmmm....I'm not sure I'd do any different as Neal.

Wow, first post back and it's a winner. I don't necessarily agree with all of it but some of it I do, but a great read.

[Amanda]

I'm just disappointed Neal's name wasn't misspelled anywhere