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finalfight wrote:Rick wrote:As to the topic of this thread. The reason behind some not posting here now is largely because of the negativity that's been hefted at the band and especially Arnel.
It's been way overboard and has left me kind of put off also.
I understand people have differing opinions, and that's what message boards are all about, and I love that. But it wasn't too long ago that Arnel had this board eating out of his hands, at least by a lot of posters. Not sure what happened. The Superbowl performance shouldn't be the defining moment of his time with Journey. He's done so much better, although I didn't think he stunk it up like many say he did.
Whitewash.
I can't speak for everyone but I am personally too busy with work to post at the moment and frankly the longer I spend away from here the less I want to come back. My decision has nothing to do with the subject matter or information found at MR but more to do with the lies, secrecy, negativity and general nastiness of a few bad apples. In fact I have only come back on now to address this topic with what are thought to be the actual facts rather then speculation.
Rick knows full well that there has been a falling out behind the scenes between several prominent forum members and whilst I personally don't know the full story it is now commonly known amongst many other MR members that a secret forum (or VIP forum as it was dubbed by some) was active behind the scenes at MR. This information was divulged to many MR members by one of the 'VIPs' upon their recent departure from the board and was believed to have contained a handful of preferred members personally invited to discuss subject matters and information that were not made available in other areas. Discussions such as behind the scenes happenings in the Journey and Steve Perry camps as well as information about MR members especially those deemed suspicious in their motives. For whatever reason the 'VIP' area was recently closed and consequently some of the members left the board, others simply decided to have a break and one or two returned to posting on the main board after a lengthy absence.
Before anyone asks I don't know why this board was created and won't be answering any questions on the subject. Maybe it was felt necessary to contain a few personalities out of public view or maybe it was simply an outlet for those 'in the know'. Judging by some of the members I would say it was the former but frankly I don't really care. What does upset me somewhat is that so many people know of it's existence and the general goings on but everyone seems to afraid to touch on it. So here it is, out in the open and not in it's own topic but simply as a valid response to a thread entitled 'What's Going On Around Here?'.
That's just what's going on at surface level, I will leave everyone else to speculate about the rumours of other nefarious actions, ticket scams and generally underhanded and frankly unwelcome behaviour. Due to work I will not be around to 'defend' these claims nor do I wish to. Anyone calling me out on this either openly or behind the scenes is simply wasting their time. The truth is out there for those wishing to find out more and although I don't encourage muck raking I will say that myself and many others do not feel comfortable being a part of a community that continues to let this happen. They say knowledge is power and the balance of knowledge has now shifted leaving the 'power' in the hands of the majority rather than just a few.
Thank you to everyone for all your messages and emails in my absence, I am doing very well but simply too busy working 18 hour days to find time for much else at the moment. I promise I will respond to you all very soon but if anyone wants more info about any of the above I am simply repeating what I have heard from many people and there are many others more qualified and more willing to fill in the blanks. What I will say in closing is that now this is out in the open this could well be a 'new dawn' of sorts for MR without the Private Message rumour mill and nastiness toward certain members and with a much more open and inviting atmosphere. I sincerely hope it lasts. Enjoy it!
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Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Blueskies wrote:I for one thank you for speaking out on this. I was told once of a private forum of select members by one of the so called "VIP's". The same person who was stabbing me in the back the whole time while acting like a good friend to me in private. It saddens me greatly how lowdown and meanspirited some people can be...especially when you've done nothing at all to them but be a nice person and caring friend and give to them.finalfight wrote:Rick wrote:As to the topic of this thread. The reason behind some not posting here now is largely because of the negativity that's been hefted at the band and especially Arnel.
It's been way overboard and has left me kind of put off also.
I understand people have differing opinions, and that's what message boards are all about, and I love that. But it wasn't too long ago that Arnel had this board eating out of his hands, at least by a lot of posters. Not sure what happened. The Superbowl performance shouldn't be the defining moment of his time with Journey. He's done so much better, although I didn't think he stunk it up like many say he did.
Whitewash.
I can't speak for everyone but I am personally too busy with work to post at the moment and frankly the longer I spend away from here the less I want to come back. My decision has nothing to do with the subject matter or information found at MR but more to do with the lies, secrecy, negativity and general nastiness of a few bad apples. In fact I have only come back on now to address this topic with what are thought to be the actual facts rather then speculation.
Rick knows full well that there has been a falling out behind the scenes between several prominent forum members and whilst I personally don't know the full story it is now commonly known amongst many other MR members that a secret forum (or VIP forum as it was dubbed by some) was active behind the scenes at MR. This information was divulged to many MR members by one of the 'VIPs' upon their recent departure from the board and was believed to have contained a handful of preferred members personally invited to discuss subject matters and information that were not made available in other areas. Discussions such as behind the scenes happenings in the Journey and Steve Perry camps as well as information about MR members especially those deemed suspicious in their motives. For whatever reason the 'VIP' area was recently closed and consequently some of the members left the board, others simply decided to have a break and one or two returned to posting on the main board after a lengthy absence.
Before anyone asks I don't know why this board was created and won't be answering any questions on the subject. Maybe it was felt necessary to contain a few personalities out of public view or maybe it was simply an outlet for those 'in the know'. Judging by some of the members I would say it was the former but frankly I don't really care. What does upset me somewhat is that so many people know of it's existence and the general goings on but everyone seems to afraid to touch on it. So here it is, out in the open and not in it's own topic but simply as a valid response to a thread entitled 'What's Going On Around Here?'.
That's just what's going on at surface level, I will leave everyone else to speculate about the rumours of other nefarious actions, ticket scams and generally underhanded and frankly unwelcome behaviour. Due to work I will not be around to 'defend' these claims nor do I wish to. Anyone calling me out on this either openly or behind the scenes is simply wasting their time. The truth is out there for those wishing to find out more and although I don't encourage muck raking I will say that myself and many others do not feel comfortable being a part of a community that continues to let this happen. They say knowledge is power and the balance of knowledge has now shifted leaving the 'power' in the hands of the majority rather than just a few.
Thank you to everyone for all your messages and emails in my absence, I am doing very well but simply too busy working 18 hour days to find time for much else at the moment. I promise I will respond to you all very soon but if anyone wants more info about any of the above I am simply repeating what I have heard from many people and there are many others more qualified and more willing to fill in the blanks. What I will say in closing is that now this is out in the open this could well be a 'new dawn' of sorts for MR without the Private Message rumour mill and nastiness toward certain members and with a much more open and inviting atmosphere. I sincerely hope it lasts. Enjoy it!
Anyway, I hope those who have done things will take time to reflect on their actions and that they get a conscience and have regrets and will try to become better people. I also hope they will someday grow enough to try to make amends to those they have hurt along the way. Wishful thinking I know, but people can, if they are honest with at least themselves ... make an effort to change their ways and become better people. If they can't bring themselves to do the right thing and confess their wrongs and make amends to those they have done damage to here then I hope they at least learned enough of a lesson from it all that they will not continue to do hurtful things towards others in the future.
Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Hey 78, how are you?!?!? I have missed you, How're your Laker's doing?!?!?![]()
How's that for something new!?!
Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Hey 78, how are you?!?!? I have missed you, How're your Laker's doing?!?!?![]()
How's that for something new!?!
Been a little busy, got a new job and oh! I'm gettin Married!Laker's on rockin as usual!
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Missed you too!
Rhiannon wrote:Since 78 wrote:Been a little busy, got a new job and oh! I'm gettin Married!![]()
Oh yay! Good news all around! WTG, S78!
Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Hey 78, how are you?!?!? I have missed you, How're your Laker's doing?!?!?![]()
How's that for something new!?!
Been a little busy, got a new job and oh! I'm gettin Married!Laker's on rockin as usual!
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Missed you too!
Since 78 wrote:Rhiannon wrote:Since 78 wrote:Been a little busy, got a new job and oh! I'm gettin Married!![]()
Oh yay! Good news all around! WTG, S78!
Gracias!! Im stoked!!And, we are planning on Memorial Day, Ginger.
Gunbot wrote:Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Hey 78, how are you?!?!? I have missed you, How're your Laker's doing?!?!?![]()
How's that for something new!?!
Been a little busy, got a new job and oh! I'm gettin Married!Laker's on rockin as usual!
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Missed you too!
Is she rich? Does she own horses and a Tequila plantation? What's the scoop, homeboy?
Since 78 wrote:Gunbot wrote:Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Hey 78, how are you?!?!? I have missed you, How're your Laker's doing?!?!?![]()
How's that for something new!?!
Been a little busy, got a new job and oh! I'm gettin Married!Laker's on rockin as usual!
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Missed you too!
Is she rich? Does she own horses and a Tequila plantation? What's the scoop, homeboy?
None of the above, but shes a hottie and her favorite beer is Guinness. What else could you ask for. And yes, she speaks Spanish!
Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Hey 78, how are you?!?!? I have missed you, How're your Laker's doing?!?!?![]()
How's that for something new!?!
Been a little busy, got a new job and oh! I'm gettin Married!Laker's on rockin as usual!
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Missed you too!
Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Hey 78, how are you?!?!? I have missed you, How're your Laker's doing?!?!?![]()
How's that for something new!?!
Been a little busy, got a new job and oh! I'm gettin Married!Laker's on rockin as usual!
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Missed you too!
WHUT!?!?![]()
Wasn't that fast?!?!
I think you better let me question her....![]()
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awww, I'm so happy for you!!! {{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}
She's a lucky girl!!!
Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Hey 78, how are you?!?!? I have missed you, How're your Laker's doing?!?!?![]()
How's that for something new!?!
Been a little busy, got a new job and oh! I'm gettin Married!Laker's on rockin as usual!
![]()
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Missed you too!
WHUT!?!?![]()
Wasn't that fast?!?!
I think you better let me question her....![]()
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awww, I'm so happy for you!!! {{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}
She's a lucky girl!!!
Thanks MG!! I'm the Lucky one this time!
artist4perry wrote:Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Hey 78, how are you?!?!? I have missed you, How're your Laker's doing?!?!?![]()
How's that for something new!?!
Been a little busy, got a new job and oh! I'm gettin Married!Laker's on rockin as usual!
![]()
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Missed you too!
WHUT!?!?![]()
Wasn't that fast?!?!
I think you better let me question her....![]()
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awww, I'm so happy for you!!! {{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}
She's a lucky girl!!!
Thanks MG!! I'm the Lucky one this time!
You need a Shivaree:
A shivaree, or charivari, or chivaree is a North American term for a clamorous salutation made to a newlywed couple by an assembled crowd of neighbours and friends. The shivaree was often conducted in the middle of the night with the party of friends and neighbors sneaking up on the couple's home, perhaps in hopes of catching them in a "compromising position". They would bring pots and pans to bang on or other noise makers, and sometimes a few men would stealthfully climb up on the roof (see "roof stomping"), to all start making as much noise as possible on the designated signal. This would of course wake up the couple and cause them to come outside, hopefully without loaded shotguns, to see what was going on. The assembled party would then wish them a blissful marriage, and the couple would of course be obligated to serve snacks and liquid refreshments to the gathered throng.
Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Hey 78, how are you?!?!? I have missed you, How're your Laker's doing?!?!?![]()
How's that for something new!?!
Been a little busy, got a new job and oh! I'm gettin Married!Laker's on rockin as usual!
![]()
![]()
Missed you too!
WHUT!?!?![]()
Wasn't that fast?!?!
I think you better let me question her....![]()
![]()
awww, I'm so happy for you!!! {{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}
She's a lucky girl!!!
Thanks MG!! I'm the Lucky one this time!
You need a Shivaree:
A shivaree, or charivari, or chivaree is a North American term for a clamorous salutation made to a newlywed couple by an assembled crowd of neighbours and friends. The shivaree was often conducted in the middle of the night with the party of friends and neighbors sneaking up on the couple's home, perhaps in hopes of catching them in a "compromising position". They would bring pots and pans to bang on or other noise makers, and sometimes a few men would stealthfully climb up on the roof (see "roof stomping"), to all start making as much noise as possible on the designated signal. This would of course wake up the couple and cause them to come outside, hopefully without loaded shotguns, to see what was going on. The assembled party would then wish them a blissful marriage, and the couple would of course be obligated to serve snacks and liquid refreshments to the gathered throng.
O.K., you can organize that Ginger!![]()
artist4perry wrote:Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Since 78 wrote:artist4perry wrote:I left to go to work, come back and all this...............................Next thread.............sick of Drama.....get enough teaching Elementary children......![]()
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I know, I can be gone for weeks and nothing changes, especially with certain posters.
Hey 78, how are you?!?!? I have missed you, How're your Laker's doing?!?!?![]()
How's that for something new!?!
Been a little busy, got a new job and oh! I'm gettin Married!Laker's on rockin as usual!
![]()
![]()
Missed you too!
WHUT!?!?![]()
Wasn't that fast?!?!
I think you better let me question her....![]()
![]()
awww, I'm so happy for you!!! {{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}
She's a lucky girl!!!
Thanks MG!! I'm the Lucky one this time!
You need a Shivaree:
A shivaree, or charivari, or chivaree is a North American term for a clamorous salutation made to a newlywed couple by an assembled crowd of neighbours and friends. The shivaree was often conducted in the middle of the night with the party of friends and neighbors sneaking up on the couple's home, perhaps in hopes of catching them in a "compromising position". They would bring pots and pans to bang on or other noise makers, and sometimes a few men would stealthfully climb up on the roof (see "roof stomping"), to all start making as much noise as possible on the designated signal. This would of course wake up the couple and cause them to come outside, hopefully without loaded shotguns, to see what was going on. The assembled party would then wish them a blissful marriage, and the couple would of course be obligated to serve snacks and liquid refreshments to the gathered throng.
O.K., you can organize that Ginger!![]()
Anyone want to help? I need a few guys with a shotgun...........Oh and did I tell you that Arkansas Shivaree includes kidnapping the groom taking him far into the woods in the middle of the night blindfolded and letting him find his way back?![]()
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finalfight wrote:
I can't speak for everyone but I am personally too busy with work to post at the moment and frankly the longer I spend away from here the less I want to come back. My decision has nothing to do with the subject matter or information found at MR but more to do with the lies, secrecy, negativity and general nastiness of a few bad apples. In fact I have only come back on now to address this topic with what are thought to be the actual facts rather then speculation.
Rick knows full well that there has been a falling out behind the scenes between several prominent forum members and whilst I personally don't know the full story it is now commonly known amongst many other MR members that a secret forum (or VIP forum as it was dubbed by some) was active behind the scenes at MR. This information was divulged to many MR members by one of the 'VIPs' upon their recent departure from the board and was believed to have contained a handful of preferred members personally invited to discuss subject matters and information that were not made available in other areas. Discussions such as behind the scenes happenings in the Journey and Steve Perry camps as well as information about MR members especially those deemed suspicious in their motives. For whatever reason the 'VIP' area was recently closed and consequently some of the members left the board, others simply decided to have a break and one or two returned to posting on the main board after a lengthy absence.
finalfight wrote:
For the record most of the above conflicts with everything many have heard. The not -so-secret forum was only recently closed (same time everyone started leaving) and is not a rumour. Many of those named above were amongst the 'VIPs' and reportedly did not leave under the terms described. There was apparently a Mexican standoff of sorts and the place imploded.
Behshad wrote:How did I show that I was VIP in this thread???? By posting here? Havent you noticed that ALL the VIPs have taken the vows of silence?
Shoot Drew a PM. He will tell you if I was a VIP or not.
Andrew wrote:Behshad wrote:How did I show that I was VIP in this thread???? By posting here? Havent you noticed that ALL the VIPs have taken the vows of silence?
Shoot Drew a PM. He will tell you if I was a VIP or not.
Correct. You were not. And why does anyone even care about this crap?
Arianddu wrote:Andrew wrote:Behshad wrote:How did I show that I was VIP in this thread???? By posting here? Havent you noticed that ALL the VIPs have taken the vows of silence?
Shoot Drew a PM. He will tell you if I was a VIP or not.
Correct. You were not. And why does anyone even care about this crap?
Because conspiracies are so much more interesting than thinking that maybe people have real lives and don't have as much time to be on-line any more. And because some people do/have talked as though they have special insider information, when what they are really good at doing is just reading the posts, picking up clues and drawing their own conclusions. Hell, I know of one person who was so good at that, she persuaded another forum member that she could access his PMs! I showed him exactly where she coould have found the information she referred to on the boards, and the logical connections to make, but he was still so freaked out he quit posting for a while.
Sad truth is, some people enjoy playing mindfucks. Here's to hoping those folks get mental VD![]()
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