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[Gideon]

I think he does more than justice. Particularly on the shitheap that is "Open Arms", where he destroys Perry live and in the studio.

You should A) go get drug tested right now, and B) be suspended from MR for insane idiocy. No one destroys Perry in anything. Seriously, you ever see Perry live? There is no comparison between the two, on any fucking songs, period. You were probably the guy on Youtube that made the remark about "Perry never got Journey to the Super Bowl, but Arnel did in his first year."

Come on folks, Arnel is a great story and a great guy, but he is also fresh. Perry hasn't been around in 22 years and still commands this Board's fullest attention.

I agree with Gideon on this one. I heard Arnel's version of OA 7 times last year and I'd say that 5 of them were better than the doctored 81 Houston DVD version. I also think he sings Only The Young better (not a huge accolade considering Perry could never really sing this one live). He also wins When You Love A Woman by default, but that could change this year. The rest Perry wins easily.

There you go.

[wednesday's child]

I think he does more than justice. Particularly on the shitheap that is "Open Arms", where he destroys Perry live and in the studio.

You should A) go get drug tested right now, and B) be suspended from MR for insane idiocy. No one destroys Perry in anything. Seriously, you ever see Perry live? There is no comparison between the two, on any fucking songs, period. You were probably the guy on Youtube that made the remark about "Perry never got Journey to the Super Bowl, but Arnel did in his first year."

Come on folks, Arnel is a great story and a great guy, but he is also fresh. Perry hasn't been around in 22 years and still commands this Board's fullest attention.

I agree with Gideon on this one. I heard Arnel's version of OA 7 times last year and I'd say that 5 of them were better than the doctored 81 Houston DVD version. I also think he sings Only The Young better (not a huge accolade considering Perry could never really sing this one live). He also wins When You Love A Woman by default, but that could change this year. The rest Perry wins easily.

Open Arms, maybe. Only the Young, just as plausibly... but WYLAW?
Arnel shapes that song with the surgical accuracy of a chainsaw, compared to Perry's deft treatment.
But hey: JMO, YMMV, etc.

-wech

[annie89509]

I think he does more than justice. Particularly on the shitheap that is "Open Arms", where he destroys Perry live and in the studio.

You should A) go get drug tested right now, and B) be suspended from MR for insane idiocy. No one destroys Perry in anything. Seriously, you ever see Perry live? There is no comparison between the two, on any fucking songs, period. You were probably the guy on Youtube that made the remark about "Perry never got Journey to the Super Bowl, but Arnel did in his first year."

Come on folks, Arnel is a great story and a great guy, but he is also fresh. Perry hasn't been around in 22 years and still commands this Board's fullest attention.

I agree with Gideon on this one. I heard Arnel's version of OA 7 times last year and I'd say that 5 of them were better than the doctored 81 Houston DVD version. I also think he sings Only The Young better (not a huge accolade considering Perry could never really sing this one live). He also wins When You Love A Woman by default, but that could change this year. The rest Perry wins easily.

I dunno … this SP live performance of OA pretty darn unbeatable … Frontiers voice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

OTY .. I can agree with as Arnel’s present range may have surpassed Steve’s ROR range. But he sang all the ROR songs great.

[Rockindeano]

St Joan, the Houston DVD was not doctored one iota. Perry mixed it beautifully,but he didn't doctor any vox except that legal issue with MTV and Music Television bs...

Now, go throw that shit Arrival DVD 2001 on, and you will see 100% doctoring from the beginning to the end. Almost NONE of that shit (vox) were live. And the Revelation Vegas DVD was doctored up big time.

The Houston 1981 show is as good as good gets.

[cyndy!]

St Joan, the Houston DVD was not doctored one iota. Perry mixed it beautifully,but he didn't doctor any vox except that legal issue with MTV and Music Television bs...

lora & i are witnesses to that. we hung out in the studio while steve worked on the houston dvd. he painstakingly adjusted things to bring out the best sound, but did not re-record any of the music or vocals.

[slucero]

Comparing Pineda to Perry.. is like comparing Paris Hilton to Jenna Jameson...

[Vladan]

I think he does more than justice. Particularly on the shitheap that is "Open Arms", where he destroys Perry live and in the studio.

You should A) go get drug tested right now, and B) be suspended from MR for insane idiocy. No one destroys Perry in anything. Seriously, you ever see Perry live? There is no comparison between the two, on any fucking songs, period. You were probably the guy on Youtube that made the remark about "Perry never got Journey to the Super Bowl, but Arnel did in his first year."

Come on folks, Arnel is a great story and a great guy, but he is also fresh. Perry hasn't been around in 22 years and still commands this Board's fullest attention.

Hahaha, hey Deano where ya been mate? we miss you. It's good to see your back to your old sell, lol.

Esc, you said it mate. No matter who I show here, family, friends, anyone - they will always say the same thing, Perry is far superior, and even professional singers say the same thing, I am a big Arnel fan actually, I like him, his voice, his attitude, everything about the man is class, he's just fantastic.

My Take is there isn't a comparison, and really some of the major reasons why, is because Perry just understood how to build songs up probably better than anyone, or most anyway. Perry won't overly use Vibrato, where Arnel does overly use it (I feel because as good as Arnel is, and he is, I feel Perry was still that one step ahead). And because Arnel will overly use Vibrato, the song right there loses that "special touch" and thus sound like a cover song, or a best efforts karaoke track.

Perry also had better control of his voice as well and had more "character" I also strongly believe that even Perry in twilight years was still the superior singer, because those so called flaws or faults people will bring up, really are not faults, it just ads more character to his matured voice, as the voice does change in time... besides he's still in tune anyway, and even in Trial By Fire, Perry is still unmatched. The colors, the richness, the tones, the character, those little differences, all those things in Perry's voice, you will never ever hear Arnel produce. Listen to Only The Young, both versions, take a good listen to the vocal qualities. As I am learning to sing, I am understanding more and more, how good Perry really was, and how much skill the man has.

And I would guarantee, Neal, Jon, Ross sit there while listening to Arnel sing, probably remember Steve Perry, while reminising and how much of a good singer Perry was, and even such a talent as Arnel is, still cannot match the vocal ability of Steve Perry.

But the real question is, who is the bigger loon here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeoGyv1CXM8 - the Perry loon

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woCGZm5Rcb0 - the Arnel loon

[wednesday's child]

Comparing Pineda to Perry.. is like comparing Paris Hilton to Jenna Jameson...

Bravo, you bastard...
Soda out my nose = no fun.

[Jana]

I think he does more than justice. Particularly on the shitheap that is "Open Arms", where he destroys Perry live and in the studio.

You should A) go get drug tested right now, and B) be suspended from MR for insane idiocy. No one destroys Perry in anything. Seriously, you ever see Perry live? There is no comparison between the two, on any fucking songs, period. You were probably the guy on Youtube that made the remark about "Perry never got Journey to the Super Bowl, but Arnel did in his first year."

Come on folks, Arnel is a great story and a great guy, but he is also fresh. Perry hasn't been around in 22 years and still commands this Board's fullest attention.

Hahaha, hey Deano where ya been mate? we miss you. It's good to see your back to your old sell, lol.

Esc, you said it mate. No matter who I show here, family, friends, anyone - they will always say the same thing, Perry is far superior, and even professional singers say the same thing, I am a big Arnel fan actually, I like him, his voice, his attitude, everything about the man is class, he's just fantastic.

My Take is there isn't a comparison, and really some of the major reasons why, is because Perry just understood how to build songs up probably better than anyone, or most anyway. Perry won't overly use Vibrato, where Arnel does overly use it (I feel because as good as Arnel is, and he is, I feel Perry was still that one step ahead). And because Arnel will overly use Vibrato, the song right there loses that "special touch" and thus sound like a cover song, or a best efforts karaoke track.

Perry also had better control of his voice as well and had more "character" I also strongly believe that even Perry in twilight years was still the superior singer, because those so called flaws or faults people will bring up, really are not faults, it just ads more character to his matured voice, as the voice does change in time... besides he's still in tune anyway, and even in Trial By Fire, Perry is still unmatched. The colors, the richness, the tones, the character, those little differences, all those things in Perry's voice, you will never ever hear Arnel produce. Listen to Only The Young, both versions, take a good listen to the vocal qualities. As I am learning to sing, I am understanding more and more, how good Perry really was, and how much skill the man has.

And I would guarantee, Neal, Jon, Ross sit there while listening to Arnel sing, probably remember Steve Perry, while reminising and how much of a good singer Perry was, and even such a talent as Arnel is, still cannot match the vocal ability of Steve Perry.

But the real question is, who is the bigger loon here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeoGyv1CXM8 - the Perry loon

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woCGZm5Rcb0 - the Arnel loon

Vladan, the points I bolded I agree with. There is a depth to Perry's singing and delivery of songs few singers can touch. He is truly a one of a kind. But Arnel has an amazing voice and I believe really moves people with his performances. If Arnel could add a little more finesse to his delivery of some of the songs , great, but if not he still has one of the best voices I've heard in a long time.

[TRAGChick]

Perry just understood how to build songs up probably better than anyone, or most anyway.

Perry also had better control of his voice as well and had more "character"

The colors, the richness, the tones, the character, those little differences, all those things in Perry's voice, you will never ever hear Arnel produce.

Jana & Vladan, I'm taking your Post one step further.

Another thing about Perry's unique voice & delivery is his very unique physicality:
The nasal cavities, the shape of the nose, the lung capacity, and the overall quality of the diaphragm control - they are all connected.

IMO, all of the qualities listed above in your excellent post were achieved BECAUSE of his uniqueness. Therefore, not everyone is going to sound like that.

If he ever got a nose-job to "satisfy" the shallowness of some people in the Industry whose only concern is the "aesthetic appearance" of somebody "pretty", then - well - his Beautiful Voice would've been DESTROYED.

[madsplash]

St Joan, the Houston DVD was not doctored one iota. Perry mixed it beautifully,but he didn't doctor any vox except that legal issue with MTV and Music Television bs...

Now, go throw that shit Arrival DVD 2001 on, and you will see 100% doctoring from the beginning to the end. Almost NONE of that shit (vox) were live. And the Revelation Vegas DVD was doctored up big time.

The Houston 1981 show is as good as good gets.

I agree with you 100%, Deano. (Not that you give a rat's-ass what I think). But you're 100% right. That Houston show is the best live concert ever.

Doctored? Get a clue.

[Tomulator]

Well, Arnel does do a better job that Perry on OTY, I mean that in terms of performance and not voice. As far as vocally, we should just enjoy the fact that he has the range to do justice to the Journey catalog and let it go at that.

I think his version in the studio is more or less equal to Perry's. Live? He kicks Perry's ass on OtY.

Neither "live", in the studio, in the kitchen, bathroom, car, or anywhere else does AP "kick Perry's ass" in ANYTHING vocal or performance related.

Sorry. He may be able to beat SP at checkers, dunno.

[Michigan Girl]

Well, Arnel does do a better job that Perry on OTY, I mean that in terms of performance and not voice. As far as vocally, we should just enjoy the fact that he has the range to do justice to the Journey catalog and let it go at that.

I think his version in the studio is more or less equal to Perry's. Live? He kicks Perry's ass on OtY.

Neither "live", in the studio, in the kitchen, bathroom, car, or anywhere else does AP "kick Perry's ass" in ANYTHING vocal or performance related.

Sorry. He may be able to beat SP at checkers, dunno.

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THIS ^ is why I adore you!!!

[Jana]

Well, Arnel does do a better job that Perry on OTY, I mean that in terms of performance and not voice. As far as vocally, we should just enjoy the fact that he has the range to do justice to the Journey catalog and let it go at that.

I think his version in the studio is more or less equal to Perry's. Live? He kicks Perry's ass on OtY.

Neither "live", in the studio, in the kitchen, bathroom, car, or anywhere else does AP "kick Perry's ass" in ANYTHING vocal or performance related.

Sorry. He may be able to beat SP at checkers, dunno.

Disagree. Arnel flat-out delivers on Only The Young.

[Michigan Girl]

Well, Arnel does do a better job that Perry on OTY, I mean that in terms of performance and not voice. As far as vocally, we should just enjoy the fact that he has the range to do justice to the Journey catalog and let it go at that.

I think his version in the studio is more or less equal to Perry's. Live? He kicks Perry's ass on OtY.

Neither "live", in the studio, in the kitchen, bathroom, car, or anywhere else does AP "kick Perry's ass" in ANYTHING vocal or performance related.

Sorry. He may be able to beat SP at checkers, dunno.

Disagree. Arnel flat-out delivers on Only The Young.

He sure does!!!!
I just don't think he kicks SP's ass, as Tommy stated!!
Course, I can only base my opinion on the live versions and the
recorded versions.....I haven't heard either of them
in the bathroom, kitchen, car....etc.

[annie89509]

Well, Arnel does do a better job that Perry on OTY, I mean that in terms of performance and not voice. As far as vocally, we should just enjoy the fact that he has the range to do justice to the Journey catalog and let it go at that.

I think his version in the studio is more or less equal to Perry's. Live? He kicks Perry's ass on OtY.

Neither "live", in the studio, in the kitchen, bathroom, car, or anywhere else does AP "kick Perry's ass" in ANYTHING vocal or performance related.

Sorry. He may be able to beat SP at checkers, dunno.

Disagree. Arnel flat-out delivers on Only The Young.

He sure does!!!!
I just don't think he kicks SP's ass, as Tommy stated!!
Course, I can only base my opinion on the live versions and the
recorded versions.....I haven't heard either of them
in the bathroom, kitchen, car....etc.

Agreed also! lol

[artist4perry]

Perry just understood how to build songs up probably better than anyone, or most anyway.

Perry also had better control of his voice as well and had more "character"

The colors, the richness, the tones, the character, those little differences, all those things in Perry's voice, you will never ever hear Arnel produce.

Jana & Vladan, I'm taking your Post one step further.

Another thing about Perry's unique voice & delivery is his very unique physicality:
The nasal cavities, the shape of the nose, the lung capacity, and the overall quality of the diaphragm control - they are all connected.

IMO, all of the qualities listed above in your excellent post were achieved BECAUSE of his uniqueness. Therefore, not everyone is going to sound like that.

If he ever got a nose-job to "satisfy" the shallowness of some people in the Industry whose only concern is the "aesthetic appearance" of somebody "pretty", then - well - his Beautiful Voice would've been DESTROYED.

NO NOSE JOB! I use that shape of nose on a lot of my characters because to me it lends itself to a certain kind of charm. I have seldom seen where plastic surgery ever made anyone look good. Fake yes, good no............

[moangel58]

I think he does more than justice. Particularly on the shitheap that is "Open Arms", where he destroys Perry live and in the studio.

You should A) go get drug tested right now, and B) be suspended from MR for insane idiocy. No one destroys Perry in anything. Seriously, you ever see Perry live? There is no comparison between the two, on any fucking songs, period. You were probably the guy on Youtube that made the remark about "Perry never got Journey to the Super Bowl, but Arnel did in his first year."

Come on folks, Arnel is a great story and a great guy, but he is also fresh. Perry hasn't been around in 22 years and still commands this Board's fullest attention.

You got that right Deano, Perry is THE MAN. NO one can touch him at all. EVER! By the way this is School of Rock, awesome time my new friend, I see MBPL giving you a hard time. We took nice pix, but that one she posted in the other forum, I was covering my face for some reason. Once again Trev and those darn boobage hands. YIKES! OH MBPL, that was the best. I just hope she can get the one where I am on my...well you know about that one. That was the only place I could get to. LOL!

[Jana]

Perry just understood how to build songs up probably better than anyone, or most anyway.

Perry also had better control of his voice as well and had more "character"

The colors, the richness, the tones, the character, those little differences, all those things in Perry's voice, you will never ever hear Arnel produce.

Jana & Vladan, I'm taking your Post one step further.

Another thing about Perry's unique voice & delivery is his very unique physicality:
The nasal cavities, the shape of the nose, the lung capacity, and the overall quality of the diaphragm control - they are all connected.

IMO, all of the qualities listed above in your excellent post were achieved BECAUSE of his uniqueness. Therefore, not everyone is going to sound like that.

If he ever got a nose-job to "satisfy" the shallowness of some people in the Industry whose only concern is the "aesthetic appearance" of somebody "pretty", then - well - his Beautiful Voice would've been DESTROYED.

NO NOSE JOB! I use that shape of nose on a lot of my characters because to me it lends itself to a certain kind of charm. I have seldom seen where plastic surgery ever made anyone look good. Fake yes, good no............

He didn't need a nose job. He's a good-looking man for his age, looks way younger than he is, especially now that he's lost a few pounds, and he was very sexy and handsome when he was younger in all the photos and videos. Sexy mouth and eyes and great hair. Just my two cents.

[artist4perry]

Perry just understood how to build songs up probably better than anyone, or most anyway.

Perry also had better control of his voice as well and had more "character"

The colors, the richness, the tones, the character, those little differences, all those things in Perry's voice, you will never ever hear Arnel produce.

Jana & Vladan, I'm taking your Post one step further.

Another thing about Perry's unique voice & delivery is his very unique physicality:
The nasal cavities, the shape of the nose, the lung capacity, and the overall quality of the diaphragm control - they are all connected.

IMO, all of the qualities listed above in your excellent post were achieved BECAUSE of his uniqueness. Therefore, not everyone is going to sound like that.

If he ever got a nose-job to "satisfy" the shallowness of some people in the Industry whose only concern is the "aesthetic appearance" of somebody "pretty", then - well - his Beautiful Voice would've been DESTROYED.

NO NOSE JOB! I use that shape of nose on a lot of my characters because to me it lends itself to a certain kind of charm. I have seldom seen where plastic surgery ever made anyone look good. Fake yes, good no............

He didn't need a nose job. He's a good-looking man for his age, looks way younger than he is, especially now that he's lost a few pounds, and he was very sexy and handsome when he was younger in all the photos and videos. Sexy mouth and eyes and great hair. Just my two cents.

I love his nose..........it needs nothing to improve it.............as I said, it inspires my drawings a great deal!

[whirlwind]

I've been three different personalties for the last 10 years on these boards and have done my damnest to get this board to see the light, where Perry and his greatness are concerned and it's been worth the fight to see that a topic like this is covered with such overwhelming approval of the man and his special talent.

Like Dean wrote. He rules this board.

[Esc]

Perry just understood how to build songs up probably better than anyone, or most anyway.

Perry also had better control of his voice as well and had more "character"

The colors, the richness, the tones, the character, those little differences, all those things in Perry's voice, you will never ever hear Arnel produce.

Another thing about Perry's unique voice & delivery is his very unique physicality:
The nasal cavities, the shape of the nose, the lung capacity, and the overall quality of the diaphragm control - they are all connected.
IMO, all of the qualities listed above in your excellent post were achieved BECAUSE of his uniqueness. Therefore, not everyone is going to sound like that.

so it all boils down to perry as being a freak of nature.

seriously folks, the intention of this thread is not to compare the two as stated on my initial post.
i just want to see if you guys agree if arnel, with the help of journey, can at least get some technical help to somehow improve his raw talent.

yup, perry has that unique inborn talent to unbelievably sing.
but does anybody here knows if he had any formal training on singing?
heck, he even has that ability to be a great actor.
which helps him deliver songs like that music video of "when you love a woman."



arnel should learn a few tips from him.

[Tomulator]

Well, Arnel does do a better job that Perry on OTY, I mean that in terms of performance and not voice. As far as vocally, we should just enjoy the fact that he has the range to do justice to the Journey catalog and let it go at that.

I think his version in the studio is more or less equal to Perry's. Live? He kicks Perry's ass on OtY.

Neither "live", in the studio, in the kitchen, bathroom, car, or anywhere else does AP "kick Perry's ass" in ANYTHING vocal or performance related.

Sorry. He may be able to beat SP at checkers, dunno.

I am LMAO!!!
THIS ^ is why I adore you!!!

Right back at ya MG!

[Gideon]

We'll agree to disagree. I think Arnel kicked Perry's ass everywhere on any version of "Open Arms" I've heard. Perry's version was pussified, whereas Arnel adds some muscle to it. Live recordings, he demonstrates far greater technical skills on "Only the Young."

Honestly, having listened to Perry's FtLoSM OTY and comparing it to Arnel's, I really don't know how you all think it remotely compares. Then again, I think some of you believe Perry's White Sox rendition of DSB was better than anything Arnel has sang, too. Or on par.

Personally, I think simply because it's Steve Perry, half of you think that the sound of him shitting is more appealing than the best efforts of professional vocalists abroad. I don't get it.

But that's the beauty of opinion.

[squirt1]

Like I said a few years back, if you never saw Perry live please refrain from having an opinion. The guy was genius on stage.He used his vocal inflections to make those songs his forever ! He contributed heavily to what got written and how it was performed. That is gone now and why Revelation & Arrival tanked in comparison to Journey with Perry. If you don't believe me check the tickets sales and the record sales. Jeff did a great job but I believe too much of a musician for Neal to compete with at the time. Listen to Deano !!! He is right 89.999999% of the time. That is pretty close to the Ivory soap commercials fom the 60's-70's.

[Gideon]

Like I said a few years back, if you never saw Perry live please refrain from having an opinion. The guy was genius on stage.He used his vocal inflections to make those songs his forever ! He contributed heavily to what got written and how it was performed. That is gone now and why Revelation & Arrival tanked in comparison to Journey with Perry. If you don't believe me check the tickets sales and the record sales. Jeff did a great job but I believe too much of a musician for Neal to compete with at the time. Listen to Deano !!! He is right 89.999999% of the time. That is pretty close to the Ivory soap commercials fom the 60's-70's.

No one denies his contributions. It's just that not all of us believe he's always perfect.

[artist4perry]

Like I said a few years back, if you never saw Perry live please refrain from having an opinion. The guy was genius on stage.He used his vocal inflections to make those songs his forever ! He contributed heavily to what got written and how it was performed. That is gone now and why Revelation & Arrival tanked in comparison to Journey with Perry. If you don't believe me check the tickets sales and the record sales. Jeff did a great job but I believe too much of a musician for Neal to compete with at the time. Listen to Deano !!! He is right 89.999999% of the time. That is pretty close to the Ivory soap commercials fom the 60's-70's.

No one denies his contributions. It's just that not all of us believe he's always perfect.

Nobody's perfect Giddy. But he was beautiful to hear and see. Seen him twice, 1983, 1986. I was in complete awe. No other performer that I have seen has moved me as he did. I have gone to see quite a few concerts.

Not perfect, human. And talented as I am sure we can agree.

[squirt1]

Gid- What part of Ky?

[squirt1]

Gid- What part of Ky?

[Gideon]

Gid- What part of Ky?

Bowling Green, sir!