I had no idea "Where Did I Lose Your Love" was on

[Ehwmatt]

By selling popular CD titles at a loss, Wal-Mart, Target, and other retailers have traded the easy profits on CDs--which formerly kept music stores in business--into store advertising and then wrote it off as a business expense.

That's it. Right now the big thing in disc production is "recession-proofing". I just designed an ad that's in this month's Illinois Entertainer for our company to run 1,000 CDs for $350. Completely unheard of. We're all taking a hit with the economy, so in order to stay profitable we have to practically give away things to get the "sell" and make up the difference with things like print and packaging, which between the market and the new eco-designs (I had a client request something on recycled stock with vegetable or soy based inks the other day... ) that's not exactly easy itself.

So for a major distributor incurring more expense from desktop publishing to assembly to sales floor staff to sell a product like Revelation for dirt... DIRT cheap, you know they're just using it as a promo. Even smaller artists are printing up 1 or 2 M of their own albums and tossing them about at gigs just to get fans to keep coming out and paying that cover charge.

Interesting stuff. And that eco-design shit is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[Rhiannon]

By selling popular CD titles at a loss, Wal-Mart, Target, and other retailers have traded the easy profits on CDs--which formerly kept music stores in business--into store advertising and then wrote it off as a business expense.

That's it. Right now the big thing in disc production is "recession-proofing". I just designed an ad that's in this month's Illinois Entertainer for our company to run 1,000 CDs for $350. Completely unheard of. We're all taking a hit with the economy, so in order to stay profitable we have to practically give away things to get the "sell" and make up the difference with things like print and packaging, which between the market and the new eco-designs (I had a client request something on recycled stock with vegetable or soy based inks the other day... ) that's not exactly easy itself.

So for a major distributor incurring more expense from desktop publishing to assembly to sales floor staff to sell a product like Revelation for dirt... DIRT cheap, you know they're just using it as a promo. Even smaller artists are printing up 1 or 2 M of their own albums and tossing them about at gigs just to get fans to keep coming out and paying that cover charge.

Interesting stuff. And that eco-design shit is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I won't quote it. Damn hippies... I crack up when they ask for a totally green project and then ask for UV-coating on their recycled board stock... both actually worse "envioronmentally" than just making it from fresh trees.

[Saint John]

Let's see here...Revelation sold 600,000 packages. If Journey made $7 per disc (and that is what has been reported) that leaves $4.88 X 600,000, which is a 2.93 MILLION dollar budget. They did not lose money, fuckers. Rhi-tard and Dumbot, just give this one up.

PS Rhiannon, Tito said he's gonna "Chris Brown" your ass when he logs on tomorrow.

[Don]

Let's see here...Revelation sold 600,000 packages. If Journey made $7 per disc (and that is what has been reported) that leaves $4.88 X 600,000, which is a 2.93 MILLION dollar budget. They did not lose money, fuckers. Rhi-tard and Dumbot, just give this one up.

PS Rhiannon, Tito said he's gonna "Chris Brown" your ass when he logs on tomorrow.

Do musician unions royalties and song writing royalties for Perry and and Jeremey get paid by Walmart or Journey?
Walmart paid for all advertising and promotion, not Frontline. How much did that cost?

[Don]

Let's see here...Revelation sold 600,000 packages. If Journey made $7 per disc (and that is what has been reported) that leaves $4.88 X 600,000, which is a 2.93 MILLION dollar budget. They did not lose money, fuckers. Rhi-tard and Dumbot, just give this one up.

PS Rhiannon, Tito said he's gonna "Chris Brown" your ass when he logs on tomorrow.

Are you typing this from your hotel room in Manila?

[Saint John]

Let's see here...Revelation sold 600,000 packages. If Journey made $7 per disc (and that is what has been reported) that leaves $4.88 X 600,000, which is a 2.93 MILLION dollar budget. They did not lose money, fuckers. Rhi-tard and Dumbot, just give this one up.

PS Rhiannon, Tito said he's gonna "Chris Brown" your ass when he logs on tomorrow.

Do musician unions royalties and song writing royalties for Perry and and Jeremey get paid by Walmart or Journey?
Walmart paid for all advertising and promotion, not Frontline. How much did that cost?

Plenty of money to throw around. Let me ask you this, GB; Why would Walmart pick Journey to lose $5 per package on out of all the artists in the world? You're not making any sense here. They could have easily went to Journey and said "We're gonna charge $11.88 for your 3 disc package. We're gonna take out our 'break even' money and the rest will be yours." This is what I suspect happened. What makes Journey so fucking fascinating (at that unproven point in their career with a brand new singer) that they thought they needed to lose money on them? Dude, you don't think their people knew that they could offer Journey a "break even" deal and that Journey would accept it in a second? C'mon, man. It makes no sense for them to lose the wild amount of money that you're asserting.

[Rhiannon]

Let's see here...Revelation sold 600,000 packages. If Journey made $7 per disc (and that is what has been reported) that leaves $4.88 X 600,000, which is a 2.93 MILLION dollar budget. They did not lose money, fuckers. Rhi-tard and Dumbot, just give this one up.

Ok, I'll talk really slow on this one. 2.93 million dollars to make Revelation. Ok, so thats 1,200,000 CDs and 600,000 DVDs printed in PMS not 4cp, 600,000 booklet inserts and 6-panel 4/0 digipacks, 1,800,000 clear trays, assembling all parts and shrinkwrap plus promo stickers on the outside. (All that shit adds up, in case you're wondering) They probably got off per package price to manufacture somewhere near $3.00. This leaves $1.88 per, or $1.13 mil to pay expenses (did Neal's broad do all the desktop to proofing graphic work? ...for free?) such as marketing, desktop, graphics, mastering, stamping of 3 glass masters for replicating, freight, overs, "paying Shirley", studio time, travel expenses, equipment, legal/IPR shit, etc... and you think they didn't take a hit? Your guesstimation of $0.25/disc (which would be low-ball) adds up itself to almost half a mil, just on discs... and DVDs (assuming they're single layer) are at that quantity several cents more.

Try again, Mandy.

PS Rhiannon, Tito said he's gonna "Chris Brown" your ass when he logs on tomorrow.

Why do I doubt that?

[Saint John]

Let's see here...Revelation sold 600,000 packages. If Journey made $7 per disc (and that is what has been reported) that leaves $4.88 X 600,000, which is a 2.93 MILLION dollar budget. They did not lose money, fuckers. Rhi-tard and Dumbot, just give this one up.

PS Rhiannon, Tito said he's gonna "Chris Brown" your ass when he logs on tomorrow.

Are you typing this from your hotel room in Manila?

How many times are you gonna quote the same post...frustrated much? You're just pissed that you're not able to use the term J-Boys since I busted you out on it.

[Don]

Let's see here...Revelation sold 600,000 packages. If Journey made $7 per disc (and that is what has been reported) that leaves $4.88 X 600,000, which is a 2.93 MILLION dollar budget. They did not lose money, fuckers. Rhi-tard and Dumbot, just give this one up.

PS Rhiannon, Tito said he's gonna "Chris Brown" your ass when he logs on tomorrow.

Do musician unions royalties and song writing royalties for Perry and and Jeremey get paid by Walmart or Journey?
Walmart paid for all advertising and promotion, not Frontline. How much did that cost?

Plenty of money to throw around. Let me ask you this, GB; Why would Walmart pick Journey to lose $5 per package on out of all the artists in the world? You're not making any sense here. They could have easily went to Journey and said "We're gonna charge $11.88 for your 3 disc package. We're gonna take out our 'break even' money and the rest will be yours." This is what I suspect happened. What makes Journey so fucking fascinating (at that unproven point in their career with a brand new singer) that they thought they needed to lose money on them? Dude, you don't think their people knew that they could offer Journey a "break even" deal and that Journey would accept it in a second? C'mon, man. It makes no sense for them to lose the wild amount of money that you're asserting.

Walmart has been trying to make the record companies drop cd prices for years. By taking Journey or Reo SpeedWagon, they say "Look we took two nobody bands and sold close to million packages. Lower the price or we'll fucking stop selling your shit. We have 20 percent of music sales but we can drop the labels like a rock because music only account's for two percent of our business and you guys wil be fucked".
Fact: Walmart buys major releases for 12 dollars each from the big labels ad sell them for 10 dollars. They rely on other products being bought by that same consumer to make up for the loss.

[bluejeangirl76]

This leaves $1.88 per, or $1.13 mil to pay expenses (did Neal's broad do all the desktop to proofing graphic work? ...for free?) such as marketing, desktop, graphics, mastering, stamping of 3 glass masters for replicating, freight, overs, "paying Shirley", studio time, travel expenses, equipment, legal/IPR shit, etc... and you think they didn't take a hit? Your guesstimation of $0.25/disc (which would be low-ball) adds up itself to almost half a mil, just on discs... and DVDs (assuming they're single layer) are at that quantity several cents more.

Not to mention a fat check to He Who Must Not Be Named.

[Rhiannon]

This leaves $1.88 per, or $1.13 mil to pay expenses (did Neal's broad do all the desktop to proofing graphic work? ...for free?) such as marketing, desktop, graphics, mastering, stamping of 3 glass masters for replicating, freight, overs, "paying Shirley", studio time, travel expenses, equipment, legal/IPR shit, etc... and you think they didn't take a hit? Your guesstimation of $0.25/disc (which would be low-ball) adds up itself to almost half a mil, just on discs... and DVDs (assuming they're single layer) are at that quantity several cents more.

Not to mention a fat check to He Who Must Not Be Named.

That falls under the umbrella of legal (royalties) and IPR. But, yes...

[Saint John]

Again, the re-records were done in Jon's studio for...(probably) free. The DVD was done by a company that Neal owns/owned for (probably) cost. That leaves Revelation disc 1, Shirley's fees, and all of the little things you mentioned. There's enough money to cover it. Again, why wouldn't Walmart pick Miley Cyrus to throw $7 per disc sold at? You get a bunch of little snot-nosed fucking kids that have to be taken there by their parents. This way, you have a minimum of 2 people walking through the door and, in most cases, probably more. You know those little fuckers are going to grovel and whine until their parents buy them pop and a candy bar. Walmart could have picked 1,000 other artists to lose that amount of money over before Journey.

[stevew2]

This leaves $1.88 per, or $1.13 mil to pay expenses (did Neal's broad do all the desktop to proofing graphic work? ...for free?) such as marketing, desktop, graphics, mastering, stamping of 3 glass masters for replicating, freight, overs, "paying Shirley", studio time, travel expenses, equipment, legal/IPR shit, etc... and you think they didn't take a hit? Your guesstimation of $0.25/disc (which would be low-ball) adds up itself to almost half a mil, just on discs... and DVDs (assuming they're single layer) are at that quantity several cents more.

Not to mention a fat check to He Who Must Not Be Named.

That falls under the umbrella of legal (royalties) and IPR. But, yes...

Please dont say 'umbrella" I hate that song,thats what got the girls ass whopped on

[Don]

Again, the re-records were done in Jon's studio for...(probably) free. The DVD was done by a company that Neal owns/owned for (probably) cost. That leaves Revelation disc 1, Shirley's fees, and all of the little things you mentioned. There's enough money to cover it. Again, why wouldn't Walmart pick Miley Cyrus to throw $7 per disc sold at? You get a bunch of little snot-nosed fucking kids that have to be taken there by their parents. This way, you have a minimum of 2 people walking through the door and, in most cases, probably more. You know those little fuckers are going to grovel and whine until their parents buy them pop and a candy bar. Walmart could have picked 1,000 other artists to lose that amount of money over before Journey.

Beieve me, their dream is to get somebody like Miley and show the record companies that they own their ass if they don't drop the price. Bruce Springsteen was a major coup for them even if it was only a greatest hits disc. Look at their music store. 88 cents a song. Apple loses money at 99 cents a song but makes it up in ipod sales, while Walmart doesn't have anything like that. They just want to lure your ass in to the store or get you buying from them online.

[Rhiannon]

Again, the re-records were done in Jon's studio for...(probably) free. The DVD was done by a company that Neal owns/owned for (probably) cost.

Here's what I'm trying to get through your melon... Richie does all the 7h stuff in his home for free (minus the power bill) but he still has to pay for the discs to be produced. So unless you're telling me Neal and Jon both own pressing plants capable of offset printing and can produce Taiyo-Yuden media out of their browneye, then there were incurred expenses replicating discs. It costs more than you think, this is what I DOOO for a living, I got this. I'll go as far as to meet your half way though and say if Wal-Mart didn't take a serious loss on this, the best they did was break even. But I lean towards loss.

As for artist choice, who the hell knows... there's been quite the market surge in nostalgia acts for the most part of this decade and current artists are probably tied up in label, licensing, branding, and other legal bullshart.

[Don]

Target and BestBuy are doing the same thing now. Look for Journey to sign something with one of them, with a live cd ar DVD thrown into the mix.

[stevew2]

Again, the re-records were done in Jon's studio for...(probably) free. The DVD was done by a company that Neal owns/owned for (probably) cost. That leaves Revelation disc 1, Shirley's fees, and all of the little things you mentioned. There's enough money to cover it. Again, why wouldn't Walmart pick Miley Cyrus to throw $7 per disc sold at? You get a bunch of little snot-nosed fucking kids that have to be taken there by their parents. This way, you have a minimum of 2 people walking through the door and, in most cases, probably more. You know those little fuckers are going to grovel and whine until their parents buy them pop and a candy bar. Walmart could have picked 1,000 other artists to lose that amount of money over before Journey.

It was done in Frigas studio,no wonder there were all kind of plonkity plonk stupid ass keybord part on there

[Ehwmatt]

Again, the re-records were done in Jon's studio for...(probably) free. The DVD was done by a company that Neal owns/owned for (probably) cost. That leaves Revelation disc 1, Shirley's fees, and all of the little things you mentioned. There's enough money to cover it. Again, why wouldn't Walmart pick Miley Cyrus to throw $7 per disc sold at? You get a bunch of little snot-nosed fucking kids that have to be taken there by their parents. This way, you have a minimum of 2 people walking through the door and, in most cases, probably more. You know those little fuckers are going to grovel and whine until their parents buy them pop and a candy bar. Walmart could have picked 1,000 other artists to lose that amount of money over before Journey.

It was done in Frigas studio,no wonder there were all kind of plonkity plonk stupid ass keybord part on there

Worst keyboard tones ever.

[Saint John]

Again, the re-records were done in Jon's studio for...(probably) free. The DVD was done by a company that Neal owns/owned for (probably) cost. That leaves Revelation disc 1, Shirley's fees, and all of the little things you mentioned. There's enough money to cover it. Again, why wouldn't Walmart pick Miley Cyrus to throw $7 per disc sold at? You get a bunch of little snot-nosed fucking kids that have to be taken there by their parents. This way, you have a minimum of 2 people walking through the door and, in most cases, probably more. You know those little fuckers are going to grovel and whine until their parents buy them pop and a candy bar. Walmart could have picked 1,000 other artists to lose that amount of money over before Journey.

Beieve me, their dream is to get somebody like Miley and show the record companies that they own their ass if they don't drop the price. Bruce Springsteen was a major coup for them even if it was only a greatest hits disc. Look at their music store. 88 cents a song. Apple loses money at 99 cents a song but makes it up in ipod sales, while Walmart doesn't have anything like that. They just want to lure your ass in to the store or get you buying from them online.

Good points for sure, GB, but why not pick someone like Fall Out Boy or Coldplay? Why Journey to lose money over? Hell, there was a chance that they wouldn't even sell the 250,000 copies originally printed which is why I don't see why they would choose Journey to lose money over when there's a chance that the "lure your ass into the store" trick could have been a total failure. And Tito just told me on the phone that the Walmart by him has 2 HUGE posters/cardboard cutouts still advertising it. I guess they've now fallen in love with losing money, eh?

[Ehwmatt]

Again, the re-records were done in Jon's studio for...(probably) free. The DVD was done by a company that Neal owns/owned for (probably) cost. That leaves Revelation disc 1, Shirley's fees, and all of the little things you mentioned. There's enough money to cover it. Again, why wouldn't Walmart pick Miley Cyrus to throw $7 per disc sold at? You get a bunch of little snot-nosed fucking kids that have to be taken there by their parents. This way, you have a minimum of 2 people walking through the door and, in most cases, probably more. You know those little fuckers are going to grovel and whine until their parents buy them pop and a candy bar. Walmart could have picked 1,000 other artists to lose that amount of money over before Journey.

Beieve me, their dream is to get somebody like Miley and show the record companies that they own their ass if they don't drop the price. Bruce Springsteen was a major coup for them even if it was only a greatest hits disc. Look at their music store. 88 cents a song. Apple loses money at 99 cents a song but makes it up in ipod sales, while Walmart doesn't have anything like that. They just want to lure your ass in to the store or get you buying from them online.

Good points for sure, GB, but why not pick someone like Fall Out Boy or Coldplay? Why Journey to lose money over? Hell, there was a chance that they wouldn't even sell the 250,000 copies originally printed which is why I don't see why they would choose Journey to lose money over when there's a chance that the "lure your ass into the store" trick could have been a total failure. And Tito just told me on the phone that the Walmart by him has 2 HUGE posters/cardboard cutouts still advertising it. I guess they've now fallen in love with losing money, eh?

I don't wanna jump into the losses vs profits debate here, but one thing Journey has going for them is Azoff. That fucker gets deals done. He might have been persuasive even if Wal-Mart thought it had better options... just a thought.

[Don]

Again, the re-records were done in Jon's studio for...(probably) free. The DVD was done by a company that Neal owns/owned for (probably) cost. That leaves Revelation disc 1, Shirley's fees, and all of the little things you mentioned. There's enough money to cover it. Again, why wouldn't Walmart pick Miley Cyrus to throw $7 per disc sold at? You get a bunch of little snot-nosed fucking kids that have to be taken there by their parents. This way, you have a minimum of 2 people walking through the door and, in most cases, probably more. You know those little fuckers are going to grovel and whine until their parents buy them pop and a candy bar. Walmart could have picked 1,000 other artists to lose that amount of money over before Journey.

Beieve me, their dream is to get somebody like Miley and show the record companies that they own their ass if they don't drop the price. Bruce Springsteen was a major coup for them even if it was only a greatest hits disc. Look at their music store. 88 cents a song. Apple loses money at 99 cents a song but makes it up in ipod sales, while Walmart doesn't have anything like that. They just want to lure your ass in to the store or get you buying from them online.

Good points for sure, GB, but why not pick someone like Fall Out Boy or Coldplay? Why Journey to lose money over? Hell, there was a chance that they wouldn't even sell the 250,000 copies originally printed which is why I don't see why they would choose Journey to lose money over when there's a chance that the "lure your ass into the store" trick could have been a total failure. And Tito just told me on the phone that the Walmart by him has 2 HUGE posters/cardboard cutouts still advertising it. I guess they've now fallen in love with losing money, eh?

This was talked about in the Wallstreet Journel before. Frontline management represents The Eagles and Journey and Azoff has more acts in his stable. Take a risk on Journey to keep the goodwill going with Azoff and the pressure on Sony/Warner.
The novelty of AP factored in also in the risk anaylsis.

Just remember these are one trick ponies, that's why I see Journey signing elsewhere for the next album.

[Saint John]

So unless you're telling me Neal and Jon both own pressing plants

The discs were "manufactured and distributed by Nomata LLC" in San Rafael, Ca. Hmmm...same town where Neal lives. And doesn't Nomota stand for No More Tails. Wonder who owns (at least partof) that?

[Saint John]

Again, the re-records were done in Jon's studio for...(probably) free. The DVD was done by a company that Neal owns/owned for (probably) cost. That leaves Revelation disc 1, Shirley's fees, and all of the little things you mentioned. There's enough money to cover it. Again, why wouldn't Walmart pick Miley Cyrus to throw $7 per disc sold at? You get a bunch of little snot-nosed fucking kids that have to be taken there by their parents. This way, you have a minimum of 2 people walking through the door and, in most cases, probably more. You know those little fuckers are going to grovel and whine until their parents buy them pop and a candy bar. Walmart could have picked 1,000 other artists to lose that amount of money over before Journey.

Beieve me, their dream is to get somebody like Miley and show the record companies that they own their ass if they don't drop the price. Bruce Springsteen was a major coup for them even if it was only a greatest hits disc. Look at their music store. 88 cents a song. Apple loses money at 99 cents a song but makes it up in ipod sales, while Walmart doesn't have anything like that. They just want to lure your ass in to the store or get you buying from them online.

Good points for sure, GB, but why not pick someone like Fall Out Boy or Coldplay? Why Journey to lose money over? Hell, there was a chance that they wouldn't even sell the 250,000 copies originally printed which is why I don't see why they would choose Journey to lose money over when there's a chance that the "lure your ass into the store" trick could have been a total failure. And Tito just told me on the phone that the Walmart by him has 2 HUGE posters/cardboard cutouts still advertising it. I guess they've now fallen in love with losing money, eh?

I don't wanna jump into the losses vs profits debate here, but one thing Journey has going for them is Azoff. That fucker gets deals done. He might have been persuasive even if Wal-Mart thought it had better options... just a thought.

Oh, for sure, Matt. If Walmart incurred any sort of (minor) loss it was because of Azoff's stable of artists.

[Ehwmatt]

Again, the re-records were done in Jon's studio for...(probably) free. The DVD was done by a company that Neal owns/owned for (probably) cost. That leaves Revelation disc 1, Shirley's fees, and all of the little things you mentioned. There's enough money to cover it. Again, why wouldn't Walmart pick Miley Cyrus to throw $7 per disc sold at? You get a bunch of little snot-nosed fucking kids that have to be taken there by their parents. This way, you have a minimum of 2 people walking through the door and, in most cases, probably more. You know those little fuckers are going to grovel and whine until their parents buy them pop and a candy bar. Walmart could have picked 1,000 other artists to lose that amount of money over before Journey.

Beieve me, their dream is to get somebody like Miley and show the record companies that they own their ass if they don't drop the price. Bruce Springsteen was a major coup for them even if it was only a greatest hits disc. Look at their music store. 88 cents a song. Apple loses money at 99 cents a song but makes it up in ipod sales, while Walmart doesn't have anything like that. They just want to lure your ass in to the store or get you buying from them online.

Good points for sure, GB, but why not pick someone like Fall Out Boy or Coldplay? Why Journey to lose money over? Hell, there was a chance that they wouldn't even sell the 250,000 copies originally printed which is why I don't see why they would choose Journey to lose money over when there's a chance that the "lure your ass into the store" trick could have been a total failure. And Tito just told me on the phone that the Walmart by him has 2 HUGE posters/cardboard cutouts still advertising it. I guess they've now fallen in love with losing money, eh?

I don't wanna jump into the losses vs profits debate here, but one thing Journey has going for them is Azoff. That fucker gets deals done. He might have been persuasive even if Wal-Mart thought it had better options... just a thought.

Oh, for sure, Matt. If Walmart incurred any sort of (minor) loss it was because of Azoff's stable of artists.

Don't you start work at like 6? How the fuck are you still awake? I guess you're an hour behind me, but still... damn.

[Don]

I think Van Halen has a good chance of being the next big Walmart release. They have the novelty of being quite a dysfuntional act. Throw in a live DVD and put it out there.

[Rhiannon]

So unless you're telling me Neal and Jon both own pressing plants

The discs were "manufactured and distributed by Nomata LLC" in San Rafael, Ca. Hmmm...same town where Neal lives. And doesn't Nomota stand for No More Tails. Wonder who owns (at least partof) that?

*Beating head against a wall* I give up...

[Saint John]

Again, the re-records were done in Jon's studio for...(probably) free. The DVD was done by a company that Neal owns/owned for (probably) cost. That leaves Revelation disc 1, Shirley's fees, and all of the little things you mentioned. There's enough money to cover it. Again, why wouldn't Walmart pick Miley Cyrus to throw $7 per disc sold at? You get a bunch of little snot-nosed fucking kids that have to be taken there by their parents. This way, you have a minimum of 2 people walking through the door and, in most cases, probably more. You know those little fuckers are going to grovel and whine until their parents buy them pop and a candy bar. Walmart could have picked 1,000 other artists to lose that amount of money over before Journey.

Beieve me, their dream is to get somebody like Miley and show the record companies that they own their ass if they don't drop the price. Bruce Springsteen was a major coup for them even if it was only a greatest hits disc. Look at their music store. 88 cents a song. Apple loses money at 99 cents a song but makes it up in ipod sales, while Walmart doesn't have anything like that. They just want to lure your ass in to the store or get you buying from them online.

Good points for sure, GB, but why not pick someone like Fall Out Boy or Coldplay? Why Journey to lose money over? Hell, there was a chance that they wouldn't even sell the 250,000 copies originally printed which is why I don't see why they would choose Journey to lose money over when there's a chance that the "lure your ass into the store" trick could have been a total failure. And Tito just told me on the phone that the Walmart by him has 2 HUGE posters/cardboard cutouts still advertising it. I guess they've now fallen in love with losing money, eh?

I don't wanna jump into the losses vs profits debate here, but one thing Journey has going for them is Azoff. That fucker gets deals done. He might have been persuasive even if Wal-Mart thought it had better options... just a thought.

Oh, for sure, Matt. If Walmart incurred any sort of (minor) loss it was because of Azoff's stable of artists.

Don't you start work at like 6? How the fuck are you still awake? I guess you're an hour behind me, but still... damn.

I'm up from 5:45 am til midnight every night. 6 hours is plenty. I start work at 6:30 and it's less than 5 miles from my house. I leave at 6:20.

[Ehwmatt]

I think Van Halen has a good chance of being the next big Walmart release. They have the novelty of being quite a dysfuntional act. Throw in a live DVD and put it out there.

I'm all for that if it's good. Not sure how much faith I have in that being the case...

[Ehwmatt]

I'm up from 5:45 am til midnight every night. 6 hours is plenty. I start work at 6:30 and it's less than 5 miles from my house. I leave at 6:20.

I suppose that helps not having much of a commute. I can do that here and there, but not all week every week. Not if I wanna get to the gym and all that after work every day. I still seem to need 7 to feel 100%, can work off less if I have to.

[texafana]

It's weird, like Revelation has a slow or long fuse. Very little got released to air play right away, but it seems like this album is kind of a sleeper. No? Just seems weird to me that a song is just now hitting the charts. Good song, but I would sure like to hear TDTWT on the radio.

That's a very good thing when done properly in the biz. It's actually better to have a stable interest over the course of a release than a quick peek and fizzle out.