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[Gideon]

I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.

You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?

Oh, for the love of god.....!!

Problem?

I've heard that retort!!!
I'm pretty sure the teenager comment was a joke....but Annie will have to verify!!

Indeed. And if it is, I'll apologize. But because I recognize that nuance can't be read into text with accuracy, I took the statement at face-value.

and if it isn't, I won't....
j/k...

Sounds like you.

[Michigan Girl]

I give up ... you can't convince a teenager of anything nowadays. LMAO .. Gideon .. a 17-yr old spouting off on the proper technique of singing. Saying SP shouldn't have stretched notes out is like saying he should have stayed on the turkey farm.

You seem to have a problem opinions that differ from yours. I realize Perry is a source of contention for many people, but this amuses me. Perhaps, as an adult, you could summon some sort of self control rather than bait or mock teenagers?

Oh, for the love of god.....!!

Problem?

I've heard that retort!!!
I'm pretty sure the teenager comment was a joke....but Annie will have to verify!!

Indeed. And if it is, I'll apologize. But because I recognize that nuance can't be read into text with accuracy, I took the statement at face-value.

and if it isn't, I won't....
j/k...

Sounds like you.

[Deb]

Hands down Perry wins in performance, vocals and even looks. I've been to a concert with Arnel singing and was not impressed at all. Yeah, at least Journey can still go out and do shows to keep the music alive for the old and newer generations but they could have done a lot better than AP. I saw them with JSS and was blown away. AP can't hold a candle to him either.

id have to disagree on this one.
just because jss is 6foot3 and pineda is a foot shorter doesnt mean the former is better.
its all about the music for me.
we'll its just a matter of preferrence i guess.

but if someone should post a poll about whos the best vocal performer for journey, id say the list would look like this:

perry
pineda
augeri
jss

Ummmm, what does Jeff's and Arnel's heights have to do with music/vocal capability?

And strictly vocals, my list looks like this:

Perry
JSS
Pineda
Augeri

[Jubilee]

Gideon ... on OTY I can agree with you that Arnel does that song very good ... but you can't tell me anyone can out-sing SP based on this performance, '83 at Budokan, look into his eyes, I swear it look like tears, and not "pussified" at all, just very emotional:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwCwrYwKbUg

Esc ... someone asked SP once whether he ever had formal training. His reply was no, other than in the school choir. So, basically, he was self-taught. He has said he was greatly influenced by listening to Sam Cooke growing up.

I can, actually. One of my chief complaints with Perry was his theatrics. He overdid it trying to be dramatic. Beautiful voice, but he needed to chill the fuck out and just sing it. That version is very good, especially in parts, but Arnel does it better, in my opinion.

Example, please.

During that version, Perry kept stretching the notes past what they should have been: "so here I aaaaaam with open aaaaaarms" being one that stood out. It's much like Arnel's tendancy to stretch out the lyric "the road ain't no place to start a family" during "Faithfully."

I am extremely critical when the vocalists are great, except Perry has no excuse. He was better than Arnel and his native language was English, so I tolerate less from him.

Edit: Deb, "emoting" is great. And Perry can do it without resorting to Vegas-class theatrics and stretching out the notes until the point that they become distracting. There is a thing as overdoing it, and I'm not a fan of it.

Ironically, the JSS one you quoted does not demonstrate overdoing it. He knows his limits and doesn't overdo it to the point that he momentarily fucks up the flow of the song. Great vocal.

Now, Gideon, you have to admit, that is completely subjective. One must take into account the very nature of that particular song. It happens to be a very languid and lilting song with a sweeping chorus. It's a ballad that lends itself to a great deal of sincerity and emotion. Was he milking every bit of it? Probably. I wouldn't quite call it "Vegas-class theatrics", though.

The long and the short of it is, hey, chicks dig it. Sometimes that's all there is to it.

[Jana]

Hands down Perry wins in performance, vocals and even looks. I've been to a concert with Arnel singing and was not impressed at all. Yeah, at least Journey can still go out and do shows to keep the music alive for the old and newer generations but they could have done a lot better than AP. I saw them with JSS and was blown away. AP can't hold a candle to him either.

id have to disagree on this one.
just because jss is 6foot3 and pineda is a foot shorter doesnt mean the former is better.
its all about the music for me.
we'll its just a matter of preferrence i guess.

but if someone should post a poll about whos the best vocal performer for journey, id say the list would look like this:

perry
pineda
augeri
jss

Ummmm, what does Jeff's and Arnel's heights have to do with music/vocal capability?

And strictly vocals, my list looks like this:

Perry
JSS
Pineda
Augeri

Perry
Pineda
Augeri
JSS

I decided this strictly regarding vocals as a frontman for Journey, not looking at any of their other music.

[Gideon]

Now, Gideon, you have to admit, that is completely subjective. One must take into account the very nature of that particular song. It happens to be a very languid and lilting song with a sweeping chorus. It's a ballad that lends itself to a great deal of sincerity and emotion. Was he milking every bit of it? Probably. I wouldn't quite call it "Vegas-class theatrics", though.

Most of Journey's power ballads are "languid" and all that. The bottom line is that there's more to all of the songs than the vocals and thus Perry didn't (at least in the studio version) stretch the notes out to a ridiculous length at the expense of the underlying beat and rhythm. Live, I find that he was so caught up in his theatrics that he tried to dramatize the vocals to the point where it came off as overacted. You all call it emoting. That's fine, it's your opinion, no more or less valid than mine. But for me, Steve Perry's studio versions -- where everything was measured and refined -- was easily as 'emotive' as any live version. In the studio, he infused just enough emotion and sincerity to appreciate and believe the lyrics without messing with the rest of the song. Live? Not so much. At least, not on "Open Arms."

The long and the short of it is, hey, chicks dig it. Sometimes that's all there is to it.

That's all well and good for the chicks. But not enough for me to like it.

[Jubilee]

Now, Gideon, you have to admit, that is completely subjective. One must take into account the very nature of that particular song. It happens to be a very languid and lilting song with a sweeping chorus. It's a ballad that lends itself to a great deal of sincerity and emotion. Was he milking every bit of it? Probably. I wouldn't quite call it "Vegas-class theatrics", though.

Most of Journey's power ballads are "languid" and all that. The bottom line is that there's more to all of the songs than the vocals and thus Perry didn't (at least in the studio version) stretch the notes out to a ridiculous length at the expense of the underlying beat and rhythm. Live, I find that he was so caught up in his theatrics that he tried to dramatize the vocals to the point where it came off as overacted. You all call it emoting. That's fine, it's your opinion, no more or less valid than mine. But for me, Steve Perry's studio versions -- where everything was measured and refined -- was easily as 'emotive' as any live version. In the studio, he infused just enough emotion and sincerity to appreciate and believe the lyrics without messing with the rest of the song. Live? Not so much. At least, not on "Open Arms."

The long and the short of it is, hey, chicks dig it. Sometimes that's all there is to it.

That's all well and good for the chicks. But not enough for me to like it.

I can understand your point. It's the same problem I have in general with live performances. I don't know if its adrenalin or egomania, but artist do have a tendency to go off the reservation - so to speak - when they perform live. When it works, it's pure genius, but when it doesn't...::shudder:: It has always been my opinion that Perry is one of the few artists who actually sounds better in live performances that on his studio cuts.

[Esc]

Hands down Perry wins in performance, vocals and even looks. I've been to a concert with Arnel singing and was not impressed at all. Yeah, at least Journey can still go out and do shows to keep the music alive for the old and newer generations but they could have done a lot better than AP. I saw them with JSS and was blown away. AP can't hold a candle to him either.

id have to disagree on this one.
just because jss is 6foot3 and pineda is a foot shorter doesnt mean the former is better.
its all about the music for me.
we'll its just a matter of preferrence i guess.

but if someone should post a poll about whos the best vocal performer for journey, id say the list would look like this:

perry
pineda
augeri
jss

Ummmm, what does Jeff's and Arnel's heights have to do with music/vocal capability?
And strictly vocals, my list looks like this:

Perry
JSS
Pineda
Augeri

i believe i should have verified what no1uknow meant before i posted that comment.
but vocally comparing jss and pineda, would also be unfair.
the two have a different vocal range. pineda clearly has a higher register.

but dont get me wrong.
jss would blow pineda's ass away when singing Queen.

[Deb]

but vocally comparing jss and pineda, would also be unfair.
the two have a different vocal range. pineda clearly has a higher register.

but dont get me wrong.
jss would blow pineda's ass away when singing Queen.

You're right Pineda has a higher register, but IMO JSS has more power and soul to his vocals. For me, tone and delivery is a much higher criteria than range, probably why I liked Perry's vocals more on the later Frontiers/ROR, etc, material. It's all good, we all have our different vocal preferences.

Oh hell ya, he kicks ass on Queen material, one of my favorite dvds. Thanks again Rickster! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECL0a26PdLw

[escapefan]

but vocally comparing jss and pineda, would also be unfair.
the two have a different vocal range. pineda clearly has a higher register.

but dont get me wrong.
jss would blow pineda's ass away when singing Queen.

You're right Pineda has a higher register, but IMO JSS has more power and soul to his vocals. For me, tone and delivery is a much higher criteria than range, probably why I liked Perry's vocals more on the later Frontiers/ROR, etc, material. It's all good, we all have our different vocal preferences.

Oh hell ya, he kicks ass on Queen material, one of my favorite dvds. Thanks again Rickster! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECL0a26PdLw

Okay Deb that is one hot video! I've never given him a listen.. I am impressed!

[Deb]

but vocally comparing jss and pineda, would also be unfair.
the two have a different vocal range. pineda clearly has a higher register.

but dont get me wrong.
jss would blow pineda's ass away when singing Queen.

You're right Pineda has a higher register, but IMO JSS has more power and soul to his vocals. For me, tone and delivery is a much higher criteria than range, probably why I liked Perry's vocals more on the later Frontiers/ROR, etc, material. It's all good, we all have our different vocal preferences.

Oh hell ya, he kicks ass on Queen material, one of my favorite dvds. Thanks again Rickster! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECL0a26PdLw

Okay Deb that is one hot video! I've never given him a listen.. I am impressed!

Allow me, here's another.......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlzlFP-k ... re=related

All 40 songs he performs of Queen's on that dvd are excellent!

[Jana]

but vocally comparing jss and pineda, would also be unfair.
the two have a different vocal range. pineda clearly has a higher register.

but dont get me wrong.
jss would blow pineda's ass away when singing Queen.

You're right Pineda has a higher register, but IMO JSS has more power and soul to his vocals. For me, tone and delivery is a much higher criteria than range, probably why I liked Perry's vocals more on the later Frontiers/ROR, etc, material. It's all good, we all have our different vocal preferences.

Oh hell ya, he kicks ass on Queen material, one of my favorite dvds. Thanks again Rickster! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECL0a26PdLw

Okay Deb that is one hot video! I've never given him a listen.. I am impressed!

I really love his Queen stuff usually. But this clip of him singing Another One Bites the Dust is just okay for me. But he looked gorgeous.

[Deb]

but vocally comparing jss and pineda, would also be unfair.
the two have a different vocal range. pineda clearly has a higher register.

but dont get me wrong.
jss would blow pineda's ass away when singing Queen.

You're right Pineda has a higher register, but IMO JSS has more power and soul to his vocals. For me, tone and delivery is a much higher criteria than range, probably why I liked Perry's vocals more on the later Frontiers/ROR, etc, material. It's all good, we all have our different vocal preferences.

Oh hell ya, he kicks ass on Queen material, one of my favorite dvds. Thanks again Rickster! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECL0a26PdLw

Okay Deb that is one hot video! I've never given him a listen.. I am impressed!

I really love his Queen stuff usually. But this clip of him singing Another One Bites the Dust is just okay for me. But he looked gorgeous.

Another One Bites The Dust has always been a Queen favorite of mine, along with My Best Friend and Hammer To Fall, I like this version and love the energy he and the guys bring to it.

[Jana]

but vocally comparing jss and pineda, would also be unfair.
the two have a different vocal range. pineda clearly has a higher register.

but dont get me wrong.
jss would blow pineda's ass away when singing Queen.

You're right Pineda has a higher register, but IMO JSS has more power and soul to his vocals. For me, tone and delivery is a much higher criteria than range, probably why I liked Perry's vocals more on the later Frontiers/ROR, etc, material. It's all good, we all have our different vocal preferences.

Oh hell ya, he kicks ass on Queen material, one of my favorite dvds. Thanks again Rickster! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECL0a26PdLw

Okay Deb that is one hot video! I've never given him a listen.. I am impressed!

I really love his Queen stuff usually. But this clip of him singing Another One Bites the Dust is just okay for me. But he looked gorgeous.

Another One Bites The Dust has always been a Queen favorite of mine, along with My Best Friend and Hammer To Fall, I like his vocals on this version and love the energy he and the guys bring to it.

I love him performing These Are The Days of Our Lives. Beautiful performance. I believe it was posted by Rick also.

[Esc]

but vocally comparing jss and pineda, would also be unfair.
the two have a different vocal range. pineda clearly has a higher register.

but dont get me wrong.
jss would blow pineda's ass away when singing Queen.

You're right Pineda has a higher register, but IMO JSS has more power and soul to his vocals. For me, tone and delivery is a much higher criteria than range, probably why I liked Perry's vocals more on the later Frontiers/ROR, etc, material. It's all good, we all have our different vocal preferences.

Oh hell ya, he kicks ass on Queen material, one of my favorite dvds. Thanks again Rickster! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECL0a26PdLw

Okay Deb that is one hot video! I've never given him a listen.. I am impressed!

Allow me, here's another.......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlzlFP-k ... re=related

All 40 songs he performs of Queen's on that dvd are excellent!

now THAT is how you front a band.

[Vladan]

Now, Gideon, you have to admit, that is completely subjective. One must take into account the very nature of that particular song. It happens to be a very languid and lilting song with a sweeping chorus. It's a ballad that lends itself to a great deal of sincerity and emotion. Was he milking every bit of it? Probably. I wouldn't quite call it "Vegas-class theatrics", though.

Most of Journey's power ballads are "languid" and all that. The bottom line is that there's more to all of the songs than the vocals and thus Perry didn't (at least in the studio version) stretch the notes out to a ridiculous length at the expense of the underlying beat and rhythm. Live, I find that he was so caught up in his theatrics that he tried to dramatize the vocals to the point where it came off as overacted. You all call it emoting. That's fine, it's your opinion, no more or less valid than mine. But for me, Steve Perry's studio versions -- where everything was measured and refined -- was easily as 'emotive' as any live version. In the studio, he infused just enough emotion and sincerity to appreciate and believe the lyrics without messing with the rest of the song. Live? Not so much. At least, not on "Open Arms."

The long and the short of it is, hey, chicks dig it. Sometimes that's all there is to it.

That's all well and good for the chicks. But not enough for me to like it.

Well, that's the thing. Perry invented the way the song was sung, and because of that, he simply sings it how he chooses (he does it, because he can) that's what "controlling" front men do - They take control and command the stage, and that's what Journey was in their Prime, driven by Steve Perry as per the VH1 Behind The Music documentary

Probably after a few months or years of singing the same song, over, and over, and over again... well you get bored of doing it the same old way. Personally, I prefer he would sing it the way he did in the studio. Perry and the boys, with all that success behind them, and "Ego" if you will, probably got the better of them at times, you just take a listen to Neal Schon these days, dragging out and changing the classic guitar solo, and riffs all over the shop, it just happens when you have been touring for 30+ years, you need to change it up. Can't please everybody.

In my opinion, of course.

[SherriBerry]

but vocally comparing jss and pineda, would also be unfair.
the two have a different vocal range. pineda clearly has a higher register.

but dont get me wrong.
jss would blow pineda's ass away when singing Queen.

You're right Pineda has a higher register, but IMO JSS has more power and soul to his vocals. For me, tone and delivery is a much higher criteria than range, probably why I liked Perry's vocals more on the later Frontiers/ROR, etc, material. It's all good, we all have our different vocal preferences.

Oh hell ya, he kicks ass on Queen material, one of my favorite dvds. Thanks again Rickster! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECL0a26PdLw

Okay Deb that is one hot video! I've never given him a listen.. I am impressed!

I really love his Queen stuff usually. But this clip of him singing Another One Bites the Dust is just okay for me. But he looked gorgeous.

Another One Bites The Dust has always been a Queen favorite of mine, along with My Best Friend and Hammer To Fall, I like this version and love the energy he and the guys bring to it.

I can't hear 'Another One Bites the Dust' now without thinking of the chocolate bar commercial that used it - I think it was for Crunchie bars in the late 80s! Recently some dental clinic in the US has TV ads using 'When I See You Smile'; luckily even though I really like Bad English, I can't stand Diane Warren songs so nothing was ruined for me on that one.