Weird Arnel Wiki Entry

[Don]

Hopefully, the Wiki-Police will straighten everything out.

[NealIsGod]

Well, just to bring the topic back to point. I think the Wiki entry is making a joke because the guy lives in Hawaii and Steve Perry's hip pain started while hiking in Hawaii. Just my opinion. Please proceed with the insanity.

Right. Like I said, lame attempt at humor.

[Arianddu]

If you don't like my attitude, it's really simple. DON'T READ MY POSTS AND RESPOND TO EVERYONE OF THEM, AS YOU HAVE BEEN DOING. Problem solved.

Then I'll say the same thing to you. The board doesn't need you to come in and point it out everytime I say something you perceive as negative. Leave my posts alone if you don't like it. PROBLEM SOLVED.

Deal. I'll only point it out if you say something negative about one of MY posts. That's fair isn't it? And I'll leave EVERY other one of your posts alone, gladly, because I could care less about what you have to say anyway. That should work for both of us, right?

Step three in the Madsplash response plan, I see.

[Jana]

You're right though, Arnel is already struggling a little. Neal and Jon will milk him for every last drop, though, won't they?

You sure seem to take a lot of joy out of this dude. You too Deeno, which is kind of surprising considering you seemed to really dig Arnel in Vegas (I may be remembering incorrectly).

"Already struggling"- He's been doing a LOT of singing lately with his own thing and Journey. The fact is, Arnel is working more in the past year and a half than Perry has in the past 20 years. He's entitled to have a bit of wear and tear. Also, he's not showing any more signs of struggling than any other vocalist out there doing what he does, and much less than some. The band lowered the keys a half step. So what? Maybe Arnel had nothing to do with that. Maybe Journey is actually taking preventative measures for once to keep this band intact. Who knows? From Augeri's situation, it looks like something could be up, but I certainly don't hear it in Arnel's voice. For my money, though Perry is/was a vocal god, Arnel doesn't seem to be ducking any notes live with the songs in lower keys. in fact he seems to be going for a lot more higher notes not in the original arrangements (check only the young, sw, anyway you...). During Perry's solo tour, with the band also lowered, Perry ducked a LOT of the money notes AND cut his tour short. Okay, it happens.

Perry MIGHT have an album out in November. Okay, great, I'll buy it. Think he'll tour? I don't. Think the CD will be a ROCK record? I don't. Think he'll end up with Journey? I don't. Okay, big deal. I don't understand why one guy has to fail to vindicate the other.

I agree with Brywool. God, Neal can't win nor Arnel. At the end of last year's tour everyone was saying how Neal is going to run Arnel's voice into the ground like he did Steve Augeri's. So maybe, just maybe Neal reads these boards and actually listened to the fans and decided he wanted a long run with Arnel and after all he is 41, so he takes the necessary precautions instead of waiting for Arnel's voice to go. I keep reading bitching by a lot of people on here about how they refuse to sing the songs in a lower key, so what does Neal do, he adjusts it and still some aren't happy and making remarks the other way, that Arnel might be struggling. I don't think he's struggling. But after another year or two, I believe he would be at his age without adjustments. I think it's a good decision for the longevity of the band. I get so confused on this board sometimes. Plus, I think it's smart to use Deen on songs. To have a second talented singer is silly not to keep using on some vocals like they have in the past, and also by having a good song selection for Arnel. If they're smart these next two years, this band can go on for many years to come.

[Don]

You're right though, Arnel is already struggling a little. Neal and Jon will milk him for every last drop, though, won't they?

You sure seem to take a lot of joy out of this dude. You too Deeno, which is kind of surprising considering you seemed to really dig Arnel in Vegas (I may be remembering incorrectly).

"Already struggling"- He's been doing a LOT of singing lately with his own thing and Journey. The fact is, Arnel is working more in the past year and a half than Perry has in the past 20 years. He's entitled to have a bit of wear and tear. Also, he's not showing any more signs of struggling than any other vocalist out there doing what he does, and much less than some. The band lowered the keys a half step. So what? Maybe Arnel had nothing to do with that. Maybe Journey is actually taking preventative measures for once to keep this band intact. Who knows? From Augeri's situation, it looks like something could be up, but I certainly don't hear it in Arnel's voice. For my money, though Perry is/was a vocal god, Arnel doesn't seem to be ducking any notes live with the songs in lower keys. in fact he seems to be going for a lot more higher notes not in the original arrangements (check only the young, sw, anyway you...). During Perry's solo tour, with the band also lowered, Perry ducked a LOT of the money notes AND cut his tour short. Okay, it happens.

Perry MIGHT have an album out in November. Okay, great, I'll buy it. Think he'll tour? I don't. Think the CD will be a ROCK record? I don't. Think he'll end up with Journey? I don't. Okay, big deal. I don't understand why one guy has to fail to vindicate the other.

I agree with Brywool. God, Neal can't win nor Arnel. At the end of last year's tour everyone was saying how Neal is going to run Arnel's voice into the ground like he did Steve Augeri's. So maybe, just maybe Neal reads these boards and actually listened to the fans and decided he wanted a long run with Arnel and after all he is 41, so he takes the necessary precautions instead of waiting for Arnel's voice to go. I keep reading bitching by a lot of people on here about how they refuse to sing the songs in a lower key, so what does Neal do, he adjusts it and still some aren't happy and making remarks the other way, that Arnel might be struggling. I don't think he's struggling. But after another year or two, I believe he would be at his age without adjustments. I think it's a good decision for the longevity of the band. I get so confused on this board sometimes. Plus, I think it's smart to use Deen on songs. To have a second talented singer is silly not to keep using on some vocals like they have in the past, and also by having a good song selection for Arnel. If they're smart these next two years, this band can go on for many years to come.

The necessary precautions would be spacing out the shows a bit, not altering the arrangements. Why is there this need to jam all the shows back to back. They made 7 dollars a disc off of Revelation, they can't be starving for money that badly can they?. Why do they have to put up with fucked touring schedules? Don't they have any say in the matter?

[Jana]

You're right though, Arnel is already struggling a little. Neal and Jon will milk him for every last drop, though, won't they?

You sure seem to take a lot of joy out of this dude. You too Deeno, which is kind of surprising considering you seemed to really dig Arnel in Vegas (I may be remembering incorrectly).

"Already struggling"- He's been doing a LOT of singing lately with his own thing and Journey. The fact is, Arnel is working more in the past year and a half than Perry has in the past 20 years. He's entitled to have a bit of wear and tear. Also, he's not showing any more signs of struggling than any other vocalist out there doing what he does, and much less than some. The band lowered the keys a half step. So what? Maybe Arnel had nothing to do with that. Maybe Journey is actually taking preventative measures for once to keep this band intact. Who knows? From Augeri's situation, it looks like something could be up, but I certainly don't hear it in Arnel's voice. For my money, though Perry is/was a vocal god, Arnel doesn't seem to be ducking any notes live with the songs in lower keys. in fact he seems to be going for a lot more higher notes not in the original arrangements (check only the young, sw, anyway you...). During Perry's solo tour, with the band also lowered, Perry ducked a LOT of the money notes AND cut his tour short. Okay, it happens.

Perry MIGHT have an album out in November. Okay, great, I'll buy it. Think he'll tour? I don't. Think the CD will be a ROCK record? I don't. Think he'll end up with Journey? I don't. Okay, big deal. I don't understand why one guy has to fail to vindicate the other.

I agree with Brywool. God, Neal can't win nor Arnel. At the end of last year's tour everyone was saying how Neal is going to run Arnel's voice into the ground like he did Steve Augeri's. So maybe, just maybe Neal reads these boards and actually listened to the fans and decided he wanted a long run with Arnel and after all he is 41, so he takes the necessary precautions instead of waiting for Arnel's voice to go. I keep reading bitching by a lot of people on here about how they refuse to sing the songs in a lower key, so what does Neal do, he adjusts it and still some aren't happy and making remarks the other way, that Arnel might be struggling. I don't think he's struggling. But after another year or two, I believe he would be at his age without adjustments. I think it's a good decision for the longevity of the band. I get so confused on this board sometimes. Plus, I think it's smart to use Deen on songs. To have a second talented singer is silly not to keep using on some vocals like they have in the past, and also by having a good song selection for Arnel. If they're smart these next two years, this band can go on for many years to come.

The necessary precautions would be spacing out the shows a bit, not altering the arrangements. Why is there this need to jam all the shows back to back. They made 7 dollars a disc off of Revelation, they can't be starving for money that badly can they?. Why do they have to put up with fucked touring schedules? Don't they have any say in the matter?

I had that in there about the back to back shows three in a row. I must have deleted it out. I agree. It might not show in the beginning, like in Japan, but deeper into the tour it will. I don't get it.

[Rick]

I think the comment states that by Arnel singing the Journey songs, is not harming Steve Perry, financially or otherwise, in any way.

[Jubilee]

I think the comment states that by Arnel singing the Journey songs, is not harming Steve Perry, financially or otherwise, in any way.

I liked Memorex's interpretation of a pre-emptive denial regarding Arnel's brother not taking a hammer to Perry's hip Tonya Harding-style.

[steveo777]

I think the comment states that by Arnel singing the Journey songs, is not harming Steve Perry, financially or otherwise, in any way.

It's not, SP still gets paid like a motherfucker, as Neal has said.

[brywool]

The necessary precautions would be spacing out the shows a bit, not altering the arrangements. Why is there this need to jam all the shows back to back. They made 7 dollars a disc off of Revelation, they can't be starving for money that badly can they?. Why do they have to put up with fucked touring schedules? Don't they have any say in the matter?

Yeah, this seems to be the 'chicken and the egg' question for this band. However, since this is a foreign tour, maybe in order to not be away from home so long, but maximize their impact, they need to do more shows. That would necessitate them lowering the keys so they could do more shows and not have such a toll.

If they space out their shows on the US tour, maybe the songs'd be back in the original key. Just a thought...

[Rockindeano]

You sure seem to take a lot of joy out of this dude. You too Deeno, which is kind of surprising considering you seemed to really dig Arnel in Vegas (I may be remembering incorrectly).

I did like Arnel in Vegas, and still do. He is a great story. However, he isn't great like you all claim him tobe. Perry was great, as the 42 million records validates him to be.

"Already struggling"- He's been doing a LOT of singing lately with his own thing and Journey. The fact is, Arnel is working more in the past year and a half than Perry has in the past 20 years. He's entitled to have a bit of wear and tear.

Can't you AP lovers at least be honest with yourselves? No, he has been on the job for a year, and no, he shouldn't be struggling. This is a testament to Perry, especially after a pro-Pineda scab wrote this shit entry into Wiki. Pineda should not be struggling, but he most certainly is. First the bad SB show, and now the half step lowered routine. This is a tell tale sign that the machine has lost a gear tooth or even worse, has water in the fuel tank. Never said I don't Pineda. You all know I hate the Journey guys, all four of them, but that has no place in this post. This is about a Pineda backer, making a poking shot at Steve Perry. It's kind of like Perestroika. Gorbachev kicked his own ass. Well, Perry's legacy is kicking Journey's ass.

Also, he's not showing any more signs of struggling than any other vocalist out there doing what he does, and much less than some. The band lowered the keys a half step. So what? Maybe Arnel had nothing to do with that.

Ask any singer here. Jeremey, Nora, anyone. This is a definite show of wear, and it is entirely due to Pineda. You think Neal and Friga want to play the songs that made them rich in a lower than normal key? This is being done out of necessity.

Maybe Journey is actually taking preventative measures for once to keep this band intact.

LOL, since when has this band ever done anything smart as in doing the right thing? Just how many years/tours you think they have left? My money is under 3. They are in the late innings, trying to milk any last drop they can, and this is a testament to their ilk, that they could give two shits about Pineda. They know they can't go out and find another singer, that dog has done died. This is it. They are just frantically trying to get another tour down the hatch. I bet they retire next year.

Arnel doesn't seem to be ducking any notes live with the songs in lower keys. in fact he seems to be going for a lot more higher notes not in the original arrangements (check only the young, sw, anyway you...). During Perry's solo tour, with the band also lowered, Perry ducked a LOT of the money notes AND cut his tour short. Okay, it happens.

You said it yourself, or someone else did, that the Perry songs were written for Perry and not Pineda. Perry sang that impressive catalog for 12 years or so. No wonder he ran out of gas. Pineda is already on fumes not 2 years into his run.

Perry MIGHT have an album out in November. Okay, great, I'll buy it. Think he'll tour? I don't. Think the CD will be a ROCK record? I don't.

So what? Does it have to "rock?"

Think he'll end up with Journey?

Nope. So what?

[Gideon]

Don't use the "42 million" (thought it was 75, anyways) as a sign of Perry's "greatness." There are many more reasons to assert and prove why he was better than Arnel, but sales isn't one of them. Hell, a CD of Miley Cyrus gargling her boyfriend's balls would outsell anything JSS has or ever will produce in his entire career. Doesn't make her greater.

[bluejeangirl76]

Gorbachev kicked his own ass. Well, Perry's legacy is kicking Journey's ass.

No doubt about that.

[Rockindeano]

Don't use the "42 million" (thought it was 75, anyways) as a sign of Perry's "greatness." There are many more reasons to assert and prove why he was better than Arnel, but sales isn't one of them. Hell, a CD of Miley Cyrus gargling her boyfriend's balls would outsell anything JSS has or ever will produce in his entire career. Doesn't make her greater.

The 75 is always being thrown around. I have never seen 75 million validated. I KNOW they have sold 42 million in the USA though. 75 is a bit high IMO.

[Gideon]

Don't use the "42 million" (thought it was 75, anyways) as a sign of Perry's "greatness." There are many more reasons to assert and prove why he was better than Arnel, but sales isn't one of them. Hell, a CD of Miley Cyrus gargling her boyfriend's balls would outsell anything JSS has or ever will produce in his entire career. Doesn't make her greater.

The 75 is always being thrown around. I have never seen 75 million validated. I KNOW they have sold 42 million in the USA though. 75 is a bit high IMO.

Now I'm not nearly familiar with the record industry or sales, but Journey was a tremendously popular band. 42 million seems largely on the minimal side.

[Rockindeano]

Don't use the "42 million" (thought it was 75, anyways) as a sign of Perry's "greatness." There are many more reasons to assert and prove why he was better than Arnel, but sales isn't one of them. Hell, a CD of Miley Cyrus gargling her boyfriend's balls would outsell anything JSS has or ever will produce in his entire career. Doesn't make her greater.

The 75 is always being thrown around. I have never seen 75 million validated. I KNOW they have sold 42 million in the USA though. 75 is a bit high IMO.

Now I'm not nearly familiar with the record industry or sales, but Journey was a tremendously popular band. 42 million seems largely on the minimal side.

The 42 million is an exact number of units sold in the US. RIAA.com

[Gideon]

In the US. Everytime I've seen the 75 million statistic, it's been said "worldwide."

[brywool]

I did like Arnel in Vegas, and still do. He is a great story. However, he isn't great like you all claim him tobe. Perry was great, as the 42 million records validates him to be.

Different times. If Journey came out today with Perry, I doubt they'd be selling what they did. Music has moved on and record companies have gone in the toilet. I think he IS a great singer. As great as Perry? Never said that, but I think he was the best choice for this band, and HE wants to work.

Can't you AP lovers at least be honest with yourselves? No, he has been on the job for a year, and no, he shouldn't be struggling. This is a testament to Perry, especially after a pro-Pineda scab wrote this shit entry into Wiki. Pineda should not be struggling, but he most certainly is. First the bad SB show, and now the half step lowered routine. This is a tell tale sign that the machine has lost a gear tooth or even worse, has water in the fuel tank. Never said I don't Pineda. You all know I hate the Journey guys, all four of them, but that has no place in this post. This is about a Pineda backer, making a poking shot at Steve Perry. It's kind of like Perestroika. Gorbachev kicked his own ass. Well, Perry's legacy is kicking Journey's ass.

"You Ap lovers"- c'mon man, please don't generalize and throw me into the "Arnel can do no wrong camp". I don't think that way, though I do stick up for the guy.
First, you make it sound like Arnel just came out of nowhere and sang with Journey. As if he were, oh, I don't know, building turkey coops and not actually performing night after night for a living for the last 25 years. The guy has some serious time on his pipes. We do not really know if the reason that the keys were lowered was because he was having trouble. It MAY be so that he AVOIDS having trouble. He's also been singing the entire time the band has been off the road.
(This is probably wishful thinking on my part as Journey does NOT seem to learn from the past).

The SB show, Arnel was not struggling with the key or hitting the notes. He WAS struggling with diction and the accent deal. He also ran his notes together. He did not crack, and for the most part, his pitch was fine.
As for 'taking a shot at Perry'- is he off limits to that? Perry is NOT guiltless in any of the Journey-saga, though people try to paint him that way. So if I take a shot at Perry, it's usually a well thought out argument and not just to be a jerk. I love Perry but the guy had serious damage to his voice the last time I heard from him. After 20 years, yeah, he's probably recovered.

Ask any singer here. Jeremey, Nora, anyone. This is a definite show of wear, and it is entirely due to Pineda. You think Neal and Friga want to play the songs that made them rich in a lower than normal key? This is being done out of necessity.

Not necessarily true. If the band is trying to help THEIR situation, they may be doing this BEFORE anything happens. I've been a working singer since I was 15. I'm 46 now. I do know what I'm talking about Deano.

LOL, since when has this band ever done anything smart as in doing the right thing?

They DID hire Arnel, which was the right move. But yeah, I tend to agree with you here.

I bet they retire next year.

you don't seriously believe that do you?

You said it yourself, or someone else did, that the Perry songs were written for Perry and not Pineda. Perry sang that impressive catalog for 12 years or so. No wonder he ran out of gas. Pineda is already on fumes not 2 years into his run.

I didn't say that about who the songs were written for, though I agree with it. As for fumes, I don't hear it. I see they've lowered the keys, but I do not hear Arnel's pipes going bad.

So what? Does it have to "rock?"

For me, yes. Perry's album has to rock. If he comes out and does some kind of "American Songbook Tribute" ala Rod, I'll be disappointed. I'll still buy it, but I'll be disappointed.

Arnel's working his ass off for these guys.

[Rockindeano]

In the US. Everytime I've seen the 75 million statistic, it's been said "worldwide."

I'm not saying 75 million isn't right, but we do know 42 million in the States is. 75 seems high to me worldwide. Unless someone can prove it, I say no way.

[Gideon]

Brywool, you echo my thoughts on just about everything, bar the "rocking" of Steve Perry's solo stuff. With the exception of a couple of songs, Perry never rocked solo. I just don't want terrible pop.

[Rockindeano]

Brywool, you echo my thoughts on just about everything, bar the "rocking" of Steve Perry's solo stuff. With the exception of a couple of songs, Perry never rocked solo. I just don't want terrible pop.

Dude, Journey has been a pop band, since 1981. They are really not a rock band.

[brywool]

Sorry Gideon, what I meant to say was, I don't want him doing some old Jazz covers or something and that's kind of what I'm expecting as that seems to be the way 'old singers come back' in record company's collective eyes. I don't expect it to rock anymore than FTLOSM or TBF did. I don't think it will be as hard as TBF. I hope that it's a good album if it happens, but I don't want to hear boring stuff like "Only for the moment girl" or "foolish heart". That stuff bores me to tears. I'd rather hear something good like "Listen to Your Heart" or "You Better Wait". I can't see the guy touring. I will expect they will Michael Bolton him and I'd rather not hear that.

[Gideon]

This is going to probably sound quite retarded, but given Perry's penchant for R&B and motown, he really should consider putting out such an album. Leave the weird songs and rejects from his Greatest Hits and make it simple yet elegant. Hell, I could see Perry doing a duet with a modern rap/R&B singer such as Kanye West, Usher, or Cobly O'Donis and enjoying it.

Brywool, you echo my thoughts on just about everything, bar the "rocking" of Steve Perry's solo stuff. With the exception of a couple of songs, Perry never rocked solo. I just don't want terrible pop.

Dude, Journey has been a pop band, since 1981. They are really not a rock band.

Are you kidding me, my good sir? If anything, the amount of 'rock' songs from Journey increased exponentially when Cain signed on. The Rolie days were pop. I've been to the concerts and own the CDs; they rock and they rock quite well.

[brywool]

Motown stuff would be cool- HOWEVER- I'd rather hear original stuff from the guy unless we're talking bonus tracks or something.

[stevew2]

It had nothing to do with Friga

This is going to probably sound quite retarded, but given Perry's penchant for R&B and motown, he really should consider putting out such an album. Leave the weird songs and rejects from his Greatest Hits and make it simple yet elegant. Hell, I could see Perry doing a duet with a modern rap/R&B singer such as Kanye West, Usher, or Cobly O'Donis and enjoying it.

Brywool, you echo my thoughts on just about everything, bar the "rocking" of Steve Perry's solo stuff. With the exception of a couple of songs, Perry never rocked solo. I just don't want terrible pop.

Dude, Journey has been a pop band, since 1981. They are really not a rock band.

Are you kidding me, my good sir? If anything, the amount of 'rock' songs from Journey increased exponentially when Cain signed on. The Rolie days were pop. I've been to the concerts and own the CDs; they rock and they rock quite well.

It had nothin to do with Friga joinin

[Gideon]

Yes it did. He co-wrote 99.7% of every rock song 1981 and beyond.

[Rockindeano]

Dude, Journey has been a pop band, since 1981. They are really not a rock band.

Are you kidding me, my good sir? If anything, the amount of 'rock' songs from Journey increased exponentially when Cain signed on. The Rolie days were pop. I've been to the concerts and own the CDs; they rock and they rock quite well.[/quote]

LOL, you are on drugs. You are telling me Journey rocks out? Especially with Friga in the band, versus Rolie? Ok if you say so.

[Rockindeano]

Brywool, you echo my thoughts on just about everything, bar the "rocking" of Steve Perry's solo stuff. With the exception of a couple of songs, Perry never rocked solo. I just don't want terrible pop.

Perry has never put out a rock cd. he is a pop musician, not a rock singer. That's ok too, and it's not a slam at all.

[wednesday's child]

If anything, the amount of 'rock' songs from Journey increased exponentially when Cain signed on. The Rolie days were pop.
I've been to the concerts and own the CDs; they rock and they rock quite well.

Pigfuckers.
Not. funny.

[Michigan Girl]

If anything, the amount of 'rock' songs from Journey increased exponentially when Cain signed on. The Rolie days were pop.
I've been to the concerts and own the CDs; they rock and they rock quite well.

Pigfuckers.
Not. funny.

LMAO!!!

But you're right!!!