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[Saint John]

Playing the SAME set list for the 27th year in a row is creative?

They play what the fans want to hear. Nobody wants to be bored to tears listening to fucking obscure bullshit. They're being creative in the sense that they're changing things up a bit and they're talking about writing, recording and releasing a DVD. Also, they're playing quite a few songs off of Revelation and they rock, live. I'm happy, fucker. Deal with it.

[Rockindeano]

Playing the SAME set list for the 27th year in a row is creative?

They play what the fans want to hear. Nobody wants to be bored to tears listening to fucking obscure bullshit. They're being creative in the sense that they're changing things up a bit and they're talking about writing, recording and releasing a DVD. Also, they're playing quite a few songs off of Revelation and they rock, live. I'm happy, fucker. Deal with it.

Obscure bullshit? You mean you want to hear LTS or WITS instead of say, City of the Angels, or maybe I Can Sre it in Your Eyes? If what you say is true, then I am glad to not be a fan of this band any more. True fans want to everything, not the same shit over and over. Where is the fun in that? Travel along with the band for a week on vacation, and you hear the same Goddamned thing every night. I don't get it. Is it because they can't do it? Don't laugh. I know Valory had a real hard time playing Infinity stuff back in 2006. I am sure Friga couldn't remember the keys and chords to say Precious time or Good Morning Girl. Any band can play the same shit nightly. I thought these guys were better than this.

And this is not a "Hater" post. It is a valid commentary of which many will not like, but like I said, it is valid.

[StevePerryHair]

Playing the SAME set list for the 27th year in a row is creative?

They play what the fans want to hear. Nobody wants to be bored to tears listening to fucking obscure bullshit. They're being creative in the sense that they're changing things up a bit and they're talking about writing, recording and releasing a DVD. Also, they're playing quite a few songs off of Revelation and they rock, live. I'm happy, fucker. Deal with it.

Yep, only hard core fans want that oscure stuff, and they are a minority. All the classic bands fight that same problem. To sell the tickets, they have to play all the hits and the audience eats it up every time! The audience is never more wild as a whole than when they play DSB.

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Don't Stop Believin'

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Separate Ways

[Saint John]

City of the Angels, or maybe I Can See it in Your Eyes?

Don't like either of those songs.

True fans want to everything, not the same shit over and over.

Easy, Webster. Our definitions obviously vary to some degree.

[Rockindeano]

Playing the SAME set list for the 27th year in a row is creative?

They play what the fans want to hear. Nobody wants to be bored to tears listening to fucking obscure bullshit. They're being creative in the sense that they're changing things up a bit and they're talking about writing, recording and releasing a DVD. Also, they're playing quite a few songs off of Revelation and they rock, live. I'm happy, fucker. Deal with it.

Yep, only hard core fans want that obscure stuff, and they are a minority.

What a shock. You agree with Dan over me. Ok, I am beaten here. Enjoy the dirty dozen another hundred times. Whatever floats your boat.

[Rockindeano]

City of the Angels, or maybe I Can See it in Your Eyes?

Don't like either of those songs.

I beg to differ. A true journey fan would love to hear either one of these two songs instead of OA or LTS again.

[StevePerryHair]

Playing the SAME set list for the 27th year in a row is creative?

They play what the fans want to hear. Nobody wants to be bored to tears listening to fucking obscure bullshit. They're being creative in the sense that they're changing things up a bit and they're talking about writing, recording and releasing a DVD. Also, they're playing quite a few songs off of Revelation and they rock, live. I'm happy, fucker. Deal with it.

Yep, only hard core fans want that obscure stuff, and they are a minority.

What a shock. You agree with Dan over me. Ok, I am beaten here. Enjoy the dirty dozen another hundred times. Whatever floats your boat.

It's not about beating anyone, or about what I enjoy, it's just smart business.

[Rockindeano]

It's not about beating anyone, or about what I enjoy, it's just smart business.

No it's not. The business will be there regardless what they play, for the concert attendee has no clue what the set list is when he/she buys tickets. If anything, the "smart business" is getting good write ups, with glowing reviews claiming how "every night is a different night," and "you never know what to expect from so and so." You ever see a review on Journey where the writer claimed to be "surprised" by anything? On the flip side, a Journey concert goer knows what he/she will get. The same old songs they heard 9 years ago at Buffalo Chip.

My mistake, shouldn't have posted this as I said I was done, but I am not about to erase this rant especially after it took me 6 minutes to write.

[Saint John]

A true journey fan

Stupid fucking saying, and completely subjective. Besides, I'm supposed to want to hear songs I don't like so I can be a "true Journey fan"? I'll pass.

[StevePerryHair]

It's not about beating anyone, or about what I enjoy, it's just smart business.

No it's not. The business will be there regardless what they play, for the concert attendee has no clue what the set list is when he/she buys tickets. If anything, the "smart business" is getting good write ups, with glowing reviews claiming how "every night is a different night," and "you never know what to expect from so and so." You ever see a review on Journey where the writer claimed to be "surprised" by anything? On the flip side, a Journey concert goer knows what he/she will get. The same old songs they heard 9 years ago at Buffalo Chip.

My mistake, shouldn't have posted this as I said I was done, but I am not about to erase this rant especially after it took me 6 minutes to write.

How much fun do you think it would be to play to an audience who will leave for a beer break, bathroom break or even sit down if they would try to play either of the above songs you mention? If they want to actually enjoy what they are doing in any way, they need to have the audience happy, and the hits are all that general audience cares about. It's not just Journey. It's all the classic bands. I see the same thing happen to Def Lep every year. They can plug in a new one here or there and get away with it, but those people will not be back the next year to buy tickets if it's a bunch of music they can't sing and dance to, that gives them a nostalgic moment from their youth back. Most Journey fans only know the hits.

[stargzr210]

Separate Ways

perfect!

[Rockindeano]

Most Journey fans only know the hits.

Glad I'm not a fan any longer.

[grimlocked]

Most Journey fans only know the hits.

Glad I'm not a fan any longer.

So were you a true journey fan?

Sorry, you don't have to answer that.

[JRNYFan]

I'm sure Journey (at least Neal) would love to play 'City of the Angels' and 'I Can See It In Your Eyes' and others like that, but the casual fans, those same fans that wanted their money back after hearing the first set on the 30th anniversary tour and sits or leaves during any new songs, will protest.

The casual fan ruins it for us all.

[fredinator]

I wish Journey could play a whole night of just 70s-era songs; but unless they tour like Bob Dylan does sometimes at small venues (like The Backyard or Stubblefields here in Austin) let's say, I can't see it happening. The time for taking big risks at concerts are over, I think. It was different then (in the 60s and 70s); I don't know how to describe it. Maybe it's because the music business has become an institution or something. Seems like after time everything becomes an institution. Maybe that's what Journey is, an institution... Anyhoo, I'm rambling.

[Jana]

It's not about beating anyone, or about what I enjoy, it's just smart business.

No it's not. The business will be there regardless what they play, for the concert attendee has no clue what the set list is when he/she buys tickets. If anything, the "smart business" is getting good write ups, with glowing reviews claiming how "every night is a different night," and "you never know what to expect from so and so." You ever see a review on Journey where the writer claimed to be "surprised" by anything? On the flip side, a Journey concert goer knows what he/she will get. The same old songs they heard 9 years ago at Buffalo Chip.

My mistake, shouldn't have posted this as I said I was done, but I am not about to erase this rant especially after it took me 6 minutes to write.

How much fun do you think it would be to play to an audience who will leave for a beer break, bathroom break or even sit down if they would try to play either of the above songs you mention? If they want to actually enjoy what they are doing in any way, they need to have the audience happy, and the hits are all that general audience cares about. It's not just Journey. It's all the classic bands. I see the same thing happen to Def Lep every year. They can plug in a new one here or there and get away with it, but those people will not be back the next year to buy tickets if it's a bunch of music they can't sing and dance to, that gives them a nostalgic moment from their youth back. Most Journey fans only know the hits.

For the summer tour, they don't have to go obscure, but added in with the hits, they need to keep changing it up with the rest of their music. Journey has such a great catalogue of music that most songs are recognizable and they should mix it up. Like put some ROR in there and TBF and go back and do People and Places, etc, songs that will still hold the audience's attention but are not the same old same old. But you're right, SPH, the general audience will always want DSB and Lights and Open Arms, Separate Ways, Faithfully, etc. And I hope they do change the setlist around more than twice or so during the concert tour with the songs they add in around the core ones. I hope it's a two-hour concert this year rather than an hour and a half, so there's more songs in the setlist.

[DrFU]

Cripes; they played like 25 songs ... the DD, more than half of Revelation and 5 or 6 others from the back catalog. Only thing I can find to complain about is that Higher Place seems to have disappeared.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Arnel sounds good.
Even the pronunciation issues are under control.

Nocturne filmed a bunch of concerts during Augeri's era that went unreleased.
However, none of them, outside of Vegas 2001, involved Kevin Shirley.
His involvement here would seem to suggest this has a high likelihood of getting released in some form.

While Neal's guitar change-ups are appreciated, I agree with Deano; the band should've went full bore into the archives for this one.
Even if that means busting out a rushed medley of Feeling that Way, Anytime, and Just the Same Way.
At this late stage of the band's half life, how many more live dvds are they gonna get a chance to put out?
It can't just be about pleasing the casual fan.

[Rockindeano]

I'm sure Journey (at least Neal) would love to play 'City of the Angels' and 'I Can See It In Your Eyes' and others like that, but the casual fans, those same fans that wanted their money back after hearing the first set on the 30th anniversary tour and sits or leaves during any new songs, will protest.

The casual fan ruins it for us all.

That's my point. Relevant bands, like U2, Bruce, Petty, McCartney, and the like, do play stuff buried deep on older albums and their fans eat it up. They remain important and relevant. These classic bands Lynn referenced are just milking the cow for the last times. Why pay to see the songs you can watch on your own TV with good sound? Doesn't it get old?

As for the fans who didn't like the 30th Tour, well....I know why that is. For so long, Journey pandered to the pop and present crowd, alienating the true rock fan, and thus weren't taken serious, so as a result, the serious rock fan didn't go to a Journey show. The pop and present fan did, and that's what is in their audience today. The lacking attention fan, the shallow fan and the casual fan. Journey made their bad, and now get to sleep in the same sheets and covers every night.

By the way, the 30th tour was their finest, if you could forgive lip syncing and install Perry in there. Great concept though and I applaud that.

[Jana]

I wish Journey could play a whole night of just 70s-era songs; but unless they tour like Bob Dylan does sometimes at small venues (like The Backyard or Stubblefields here in Austin) let's say, I can't see it happening. The time for taking big risks at concerts are over, I think. It was different then (in the 60s and 70s); I don't know how to describe it. Maybe it's because the music business has become an institution or something. Seems like after time everything becomes an institution. Maybe that's what Journey is, an institution... Anyhoo, I'm rambling.

funny you say that, reading this thread I was thinking if all the major hits were taken off the table and they did a small venue, what 20 songs would I pick?

[Saint John]

I'm really digging the set list so far. It's near perfect to me.

[Jana]

I'm really digging the set list so far. It's near perfect to me.

I'm very happy with this set list, too. I think they did a good job with it for the DVD.

[fredinator]

I wish Journey could play a whole night of just 70s-era songs; but unless they tour like Bob Dylan does sometimes at small venues (like The Backyard or Stubblefields here in Austin) let's say, I can't see it happening. The time for taking big risks at concerts are over, I think. It was different then (in the 60s and 70s); I don't know how to describe it. Maybe it's because the music business has become an institution or something. Seems like after time everything becomes an institution. Maybe that's what Journey is, an institution... Anyhoo, I'm rambling.

funny you say that, reading this thread I was thinking if all the major hits were taken off the table and they did a small venue, what 20 songs would I pick?

I read somewhere where Journey would do free concerts in the park pre-Perry--can you imagine what fun that was?

[fredinator]

Maybe they should try out Sweet and Simple or Stay Awhile or the others you mentioned, TNC. These are beautiful songs in their own right and might get the attention of some in the crowd who don't know about them and would appreciate them. I'm not complaining either--just nostalgic.

[JRNYFan]

I'm sure Journey (at least Neal) would love to play 'City of the Angels' and 'I Can See It In Your Eyes' and others like that, but the casual fans, those same fans that wanted their money back after hearing the first set on the 30th anniversary tour and sits or leaves during any new songs, will protest.

The casual fan ruins it for us all.

That's my point. Relevant bands, like U2, Bruce, Petty, McCartney, and the like, do play stuff buried deep on older albums and their fans eat it up. They remain important and relevant. These classic bands Lynn referenced are just milking the cow for the last times. Why pay to see the songs you can watch on your own TV with good sound? Doesn't it get old?

As for the fans who didn't like the 30th Tour, well....I know why that is. For so long, Journey pandered to the pop and present crowd, alienating the true rock fan, and thus weren't taken serious, so as a result, the serious rock fan didn't go to a Journey show. The pop and present fan did, and that's what is in their audience today. The lacking attention fan, the shallow fan and the casual fan. Journey made their bad, and now get to sleep in the same sheets and covers every night.

By the way, the 30th tour was their finest, if you could forgive lip syncing and install Perry in there. Great concept though and I applaud that.

I agree with you Deano about that tour. Kudos to Neal for coming up with that concept. Too bad we'll never see it again.

[Rockindeano]

I agree with you Deano about that tour. Kudos to Neal for coming up with that concept. Too bad we'll never see it again.

There's only one way you could see that tour again, and a certain someone would have to return. Maybe two certain somebodies.

[StevePerryHair]

I'm sure Journey (at least Neal) would love to play 'City of the Angels' and 'I Can See It In Your Eyes' and others like that, but the casual fans, those same fans that wanted their money back after hearing the first set on the 30th anniversary tour and sits or leaves during any new songs, will protest.

The casual fan ruins it for us all.

That's my point. Relevant bands, like U2, Bruce, Petty, McCartney, and the like, do play stuff buried deep on older albums and their fans eat it up. They remain important and relevant. These classic bands Lynn referenced are just milking the cow for the last times. Why pay to see the songs you can watch on your own TV with good sound? Doesn't it get old?
As for the fans who didn't like the 30th Tour, well....I know why that is. For so long, Journey pandered to the pop and present crowd, alienating the true rock fan, and thus weren't taken serious, so as a result, the serious rock fan didn't go to a Journey show. The pop and present fan did, and that's what is in their audience today. The lacking attention fan, the shallow fan and the casual fan. Journey made their bad, and now get to sleep in the same sheets and covers every night.

By the way, the 30th tour was their finest, if you could forgive lip syncing and install Perry in there. Great concept though and I applaud that.

Because you can not compare that to live. Hearing the live guitar, bass and being part of an audience who is having a great time. It's just fun. Those who don't find it fun, SHOULD stick to their DVD's. Those other bands you mention have something that Journey lacks, and that is their original lead singer. They have to hold on to nostalgia to sell the tickets. People can forgive it's not Perry up there if they can hear the music they heard on the radio and loved. I am happy with hits, obscure, anything, as long as it's live and I get to hear the music. With any of the bands. I only have so long to enjoy it before they are all too old to perform, so I will spend my money until they are done. Granted I don't spend near as much on them now as I did in the last couple of years, so I can live with it just fine.

[Rockindeano]

Hair,

Fair enough, and I respect that opinion. I just don't share it with you, but you make a good case.

However, if that dyky bus driver of the month hag, walkslikealady enters in here, I would tell her she was full of shit and the like. But you, you are just the nicest fucker on here. Mel too.