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How much would Journey have made on tour in 2008 if Steve Perry would have been with them?

$45-Million (The same as Journey made with Arnel)
7
13%
$75-Million (Almost as much as Neil Diamond made)
5
9%
$100-Million (Almost as much as The Police made)
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38%
$150-Million (Almost as much as Bon Jovi made)
12
21%
$200-Million ($40k Less than what Madonna made)
11
20%
 
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How much would Journey have made on tour if...

Postby Voyager » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:07 pm

Steve Perry would have been with them?

I know, the topic is worn - but I'm just curious. Journey made about $45-million in ticket sales during 2008 with Arnel singing (I believe that was total ticket sales with Heart and Cheap Trick on the ticket). If they made that much with a very good Perry-soundalike, how much more would they have made if Perry had toured with them? $100-million? $150-million? Would it have been as big as The Police reunion? Would ticket sales rely on Perry's voice being able to hit the high notes? Would they need a high profile touring partner to increase ticket sales?

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Postby Gideon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:09 pm

What are the stipulations? Are you talking about ideally, if Perry-in-his-prime were back fronting them?

If not, I think it would have been even bigger initially (particularly because of his name) but then if he couldn't sing it spectacularly, it would suffer.
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Postby Voyager » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:15 pm

Gideon wrote:What are the stipulations? Are you talking about ideally, if Perry-in-his-prime were back fronting them?


In whatever condition his voice is in right now.

Gideon wrote:If not, I think it would have been even bigger initially (particularly because of his name) but then if he couldn't sing it spectacularly, it would suffer.


Do you think ticket sales would sell out before the first show started? If so, the condition of Perry's voice probably wouldn't be a factor in ticket sales. If that was the case, any increase in ticket sales would have to rely completely on Perry's popularity as an artist.

But I realize this is just a fantasy, and the time for it to happen has probably long past.

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Postby Gideon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:19 pm

Voyager wrote:In whatever condition his voice is in right now.


Well, honestly, we have nothing to compare it to. From the pro-Perry camp, you have heard people claim that he's "still got the Voice!!1!" but these reports haven't been substantiated. From what we have actually heard, Perry's voice is withering. Still carries a beautiful soulful tone, but he's lost unimaginable amounts of range and power. The last real recording of Perry singing an entire song was '98's "I Stand Alone."

Do you think ticket sales would sell out before the first show started? If so, the condition of Perry's voice probably wouldn't be a factor in ticket sales. If that was the case, any increase in ticket sales would have to rely completely on Perry's popularity as an artist.

But I realize this is just a fantasy, and the time for it to happen has probably long past.

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That's a good point. They might sell out 99% of their shows, if not all of them. The difference is -- if Perry's voice is not up to par -- the audience will be walking away unhappy. At least, I believe so.
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Postby perryswoman » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:19 pm

AH Hell! I think it would have been one of the biggest ever and I could slap myself for saying this but I wouldn't care if he used tapes, just to be able to see him rule that stage alone would be worth the price of my front row ticket and to see Schon bowing down would double my ticket price easy!!!
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Postby Gideon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:24 pm

perryswoman wrote:AH Hell! I think it would have been one of the biggest ever and I could slap myself for saying this but I wouldn't care if he used tapes, just to be able to see him rule that stage alone would be worth the price of my front row ticket and to see Schon bowing down would double my ticket price easy!!!


But would Schon be bowing down if Perry weren't doing that well?
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Postby perryswoman » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:33 pm

I think he would be bowing down because concerts would be sold out even before they got to the stage and we all know what lengths Schon will go to for the $$$$ although I have to admit I love to see him playing that guitar!
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Postby Gideon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:39 pm

perryswoman wrote:I think he would be bowing down because concerts would be sold out even before they got to the stage and we all know what lengths Schon will go to for the $$$$ although I have to admit I love to see him playing that guitar!


I don't think so. They had quite a few sold out shows this year with large crowds. Honestly, given the bad blood between those two, I don't think Neal would ever bow before Perry.

Not voluntarily, anyways. :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:48 pm

Very little. He would have quit at some point...like he has on the last 3 tours/almost tours.
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Postby S2M » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:50 pm

Saint John wrote:Very little. He would have quit at some point...like he has on the last 3 tours/almost tours.


DLR hasn't near the voice he used to....and VH he's still touring.....I think this is a cop out response, SJ.
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Postby Saint John » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:52 pm

StocktontoMalone wrote:I think this is a cop out response, SJ.
Actually, it's got facts to back it up. Perry quit the ROR tour, quit the FTLOSM tour and backed out of the TBF tour. Hardly a cop out answer, sir.
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Postby Gideon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:52 pm

StocktontoMalone wrote:
Saint John wrote:Very little. He would have quit at some point...like he has on the last 3 tours/almost tours.


DLR hasn't near the voice he used to....and VH he's still touring.....I think this is a cop out response, SJ.


Not really.

DRL wasn't a vocal juggernaut like SP was. I'm telling you, people tend to have higher standards for great singers.
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Postby DrFU » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:54 pm

Anyone seen Eddie Money lately? He just can't sing his own songs any more. He talks through the lyrics. His backup singers sing them. He lets the audience sing. It's just PAINFUL. This notion that as long as its the original guy and the original songs, all is well, is wrongheaded ...
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Postby Gideon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:56 pm

DrFU wrote:Anyone seen Eddie Money lately? He just can't sing his own songs any more. He talks through the lyrics. His backup singers sing them. He lets the audience sing. It's just PAINFUL. This notion that as long as its the original guy and the original songs, all is well, is wrongheaded ...


I like Eddie Money, but I'd be the first to admit that he didn't seem like he had a long career ahead of him as far as his voice is concerned. He reminded me so much of Hewey Lewis (anyone else hear the similarities?). Decent singer with a lot of soul, but extremely limited otherwise. Loved "Shakin'" and "It's Gotta Be Love."
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Postby S2M » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:57 pm

OK...I forgot to add a whole sentence to my response, I apologize....

What I failed to add was that I think it is all his insecurities that stop him from touring....and that is just plain SAD.
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Postby perryswoman » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:57 pm

I don't care, there are millions of Perry loons out here and even if he sounded like total shit which I don't believe he would, we would all go home a bunch of happy campers, just sayin.
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Postby Gideon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:59 pm

StocktontoMalone wrote:OK...I forgot to add a whole sentence to my response, I apologize....

What I failed to add was that I think it is all his insecurities that stop him from touring....and that is just plain SAD.


You're a real bastard. You so poached that line from me on TRAGchick's thread. :lol:
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Postby Voyager » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:00 pm

I turned it into a poll, so cast your vote.

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Postby Gideon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:01 pm

I went for $100 million.
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Postby S2M » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:02 pm

200 million.....easy.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:03 pm

Gideon wrote:I went for $100 million.


Hey, see there we agreed on something!!!! :wink:

I hope I didn't JINX him!!! :shock:
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Postby Gideon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:04 pm

Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:I went for $100 million.


Hey, see there we agreed on something!!!! :wink:

I hope I didn't JINX him!!! :shock:


Well, in that case, I want to change my answer!!! :lol:
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Postby Voyager » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:06 pm

I stopped it at $200-million because i didn't think it would go bigger than that. The Police grossed $171-million in 2007, so I think it would be on par with that. Now, if Journey had never toured without Perry - I believe it could have gone $250-million or even more for a year-long world tour with Perry at the helm.

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Postby perryswoman » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:07 pm

Vote cast, 200 mil
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Postby Michigan Girl » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:08 pm

Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:I went for $100 million.


Hey, see there we agreed on something!!!! :wink:

I hope I didn't JINX him!!! :shock:


Well, in that case, I want to change my answer!!! :lol:


Go UP!!! :wink:
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Postby Gideon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:10 pm

Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gideon wrote:I went for $100 million.


Hey, see there we agreed on something!!!! :wink:

I hope I didn't JINX him!!! :shock:


Well, in that case, I want to change my answer!!! :lol:


Go UP!!! :wink:


(that's what she said) :lol: :wink: :twisted:

Edit: Failed in emote school.
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:17 pm

You are saying a Perry led band would make 200 million dollars huh?

Bruce made 156 Million. So you Journey fans are saying Journey would be a bigger draw than E Street band?


Bruce did it touring with no opening act. Journey had two acts opening for them, , and made 1/4th of what Bruce and band did.

Now I know I am wasting my time here.

And this is an honest post wit no bias in it at all.
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Postby cyndy! » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:19 pm

perryswoman wrote:I don't care, there are millions of Perry loons out here and even if he sounded like total shit which I don't believe he would, we would all go home a bunch of happy campers, just sayin.

not all loons have such low standards. i would be disappointed if any of my favorite musicians expected their fans to be happy with shit.
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Postby Gideon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:20 pm

cyndy! wrote:
perryswoman wrote:I don't care, there are millions of Perry loons out here and even if he sounded like total shit which I don't believe he would, we would all go home a bunch of happy campers, just sayin.

not all loons have such low standards. i would be disappointed if any of my favorite musicians expected their fans to be happy with shit.


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Postby DrFU » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:21 pm

Apples and oranges anyhoo -- it's all a function of numbers of shows, ticket prices, and venue sizes. Some of these acts did relatively few shows and others did extended tours.
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