How much would Journey have made on tour if...

[Voyager]

I'm assuming Azzoff is either their publicist or something comparable to that. If I am wrong, please correct me.

But, as I stated before, the nostalgia would have worn off eventually if Perry wasn't up to par on vocals. Word would spread and ticket sales would decline either way.

I can understand wanting to see Perry for, possibly, one of the last times in his career, but for the sake of ticket sales, Arnel is a better bet. Perry is, simply put, worn out.

azoff is one of the most powerful people in the music industry at the moment. CEO of ticketmaster & manager of most bands (it seems). scary amount of power.

Irving Azoff is an Icon!
Kudos to the man!
I owe him a little piece of my heart...

And a piece of our wallets:

In October 2008, ticketing and marketing company Ticketmaster announced that they would acquire artist management company Front Line Management Group Inc.. As part of the deal, Irving Azoff, founder and chief executive officer of Front Line, became Chief Executive Officer of Ticketmaster.

Ticketmaster issued restricted stock awards to Mr. Azoff representing approximately 4.5% of Ticketmaster's stock. The deal includes $35 million of restricted Ticketmaster preferred stock that is convertible at Azoff's election into 1.75 million shares of Ticketmaster common stock, and 1 million shares of restricted Ticketmaster common stock.

Ticketmaster also agreed to grant Azoff options to purchase 2 million shares of Ticketmaster common stock at an exercise price of $20 per share.

[Shadowsong]

I'm assuming Azzoff is either their publicist or something comparable to that. If I am wrong, please correct me.

But, as I stated before, the nostalgia would have worn off eventually if Perry wasn't up to par on vocals. Word would spread and ticket sales would decline either way.

I can understand wanting to see Perry for, possibly, one of the last times in his career, but for the sake of ticket sales, Arnel is a better bet. Perry is, simply put, worn out.

azoff is one of the most powerful people in the music industry at the moment. CEO of ticketmaster & manager of most bands (it seems). scary amount of power.

Irving Azoff is an Icon!
Kudos to the man!
I owe him a little piece of my heart...
so what if he has a goldfinger
Let him dial up his own destiny.

And a piece of our wallets:

In October 2008, ticketing and marketing company Ticketmaster announced that they would acquire artist management company Front Line Management Group Inc.. As part of the deal, Irving Azoff, founder and chief executive officer of Front Line, became Chief Executive Officer of Ticketmaster.

Ticketmaster issued restricted stock awards to Mr. Azoff representing approximately 4.5% of Ticketmaster's stock. The deal includes $35 million of restricted Ticketmaster preferred stock that is convertible at Azoff's election into 1.75 million shares of Ticketmaster common stock, and 1 million shares of restricted Ticketmaster common stock.

Ticketmaster also agreed to grant Azoff options to purchase 2 million shares of Ticketmaster common stock at an exercise price of $20 per share.

All's fair in love N music
The man has never cost me a dime...

[annie89509]

Hell, why not do what Boston does and get mutliple Perry-style singers in the band? That way Arnel and Augeri could do backups for Perry and help him on some of the high notes like Fran Cosmo did for Brad Delp.

That would be fucking awesome!

I think I can post this here, as it's not for sale, but Delp and Goudreau did a song to bring to Scholz to encourage him to do another album. It's called Rockin' Away and was recorded just one year before he died. I think it's fantastic. Delp sounded great on this.

http://www.yousendit.com/download/UmNMa ... MTQwTVE9PQ

Rick, I think that song is awesome! It was just a demo? That song rocks better than anything in Revelation (imo).

[jrny84]

If Perry ever came back it would be the premiere concert of the year. Without a doubt I would put them in the top 5 concerts of the year if Perry were to return. Definetly around $100 million.

[Rick]

Hell, why not do what Boston does and get mutliple Perry-style singers in the band? That way Arnel and Augeri could do backups for Perry and help him on some of the high notes like Fran Cosmo did for Brad Delp.

That would be fucking awesome!

I think I can post this here, as it's not for sale, but Delp and Goudreau did a song to bring to Scholz to encourage him to do another album. It's called Rockin' Away and was recorded just one year before he died. I think it's fantastic. Delp sounded great on this.

http://www.yousendit.com/download/UmNMa ... MTQwTVE9PQ

Rick, I think that song is awesome! It was just a demo? That song rocks better than anything in Revelation (imo).

Yes. As I understand it, they were trying to coax Scholz into doing another album, so they recorded that in the old Boston style, to bring to him to get him sparked up about it. Very good track.

[Michigan Girl]

Hell, why not do what Boston does and get mutliple Perry-style singers in the band? That way Arnel and Augeri could do backups for Perry and help him on some of the high notes like Fran Cosmo did for Brad Delp.

That would be fucking awesome!

I think I can post this here, as it's not for sale, but Delp and Goudreau did a song to bring to Scholz to encourage him to do another album. It's called Rockin' Away and was recorded just one year before he died. I think it's fantastic. Delp sounded great on this.

http://www.yousendit.com/download/UmNMa ... MTQwTVE9PQ

Rick, I think that song is awesome! It was just a demo? That song rocks better than anything in Revelation (imo).

Yes. As I understand it, they were trying to coax Scholz into doing another album, so they recorded that in the old Boston style, to bring to him to get him sparked up about it. Very good track.

Indeed, I like it very much!! THANKS, Rick!!

[Granny]

I don't care, there are millions of Perry loons out here and even if he sounded like total shit which I don't believe he would, we would all go home a bunch of happy campers, just sayin.

Very happy campers, although I would have whiplash trying to watch Neal paly and Steve sing...although after thinking about it, Steve wins!

100 million!

[X factor]

Uhh...there is absolutely NO WAY this band wouldn't have (at least) doubled their gross with Perry. Anyone who thinks differently is either fooling themselves or has some Arnel inspired agenda.

Get real, ya'll.

[artist4perry]

Mute point considering it won't happen. But if the world starts revolving backwards........ every source that has heard him says he is in great voice.

Now great depending on your "view' of it can vary. I probably would love a more matured voice on Steve. Some are not happy unless his notes break glass. Personally, in my oppinion that does not make a great singer.

Some don't like it if he gets any rasp to his voice at all, again, no problem for me.

People would come to see him because lets face it, we blog about him almost every day! Love him, hate him, we would be so curious we would go. Some might not, but the majority I think would.

I think he would not disappoint the majority. Some are so picky, that unless he sounds like a studio release of his younger self, they will just bad mouth him and not go. So be it.............makes the seats closer to the front easier to get.

[Voyager]

Uhh...there is absolutely NO WAY this band wouldn't have (at least) doubled their gross with Perry. Anyone who thinks differently is either fooling themselves or has some Arnel inspired agenda.

Get real, ya'll.

Exactly. One call to Randy Jackson, and Steve Perry could be a guest mentor on American Idol (the most-watched TV program), allowing him to promote his new album and announce a tour with Journey. The seats would be sold out in arenas all over the world. If they worked it hard, it could be a $200-million world tour... or at least $150-million.

[EightyRock]

Uhh...there is absolutely NO WAY this band wouldn't have (at least) doubled their gross with Perry. Anyone who thinks differently is either fooling themselves or has some Arnel inspired agenda.

Get real, ya'll.

Exactly. One call to Randy Jackson, and Steve Perry could be a guest mentor on American Idol (the most-watched TV program), allowing him to promote his new album and announce a tour with Journey. The seats would be sold out in arenas all over the world. If they worked it hard, it could be a $200-million world tour... or at least $150-million.

That phone call to Randy Jackson, Azoff, or anybody else in the business is why Perry would be a huge draw w/ Journey again. There are loads of heavyweights in the industry, musicians, producers, etc., that are either friends of his or know first hand of his talent. They'd be snapping up tickets to see even ONE show like that. I don't care what register he's singing in, he can sing on pitch and deliver a song like nobody else out there today. That's worth some serious $$ to anybody in the biz (or otherwise) that's sick of all the no-talent hacks portraying themselves as singers these days.

[Tito]

I'm not even reading any previous comments. But I voted the same, although if I was being totally accurate, I would put it somewhere between the same and $75 million. They would've done a little better (50-60 million). I think the window has kind of closed as far as what a Perry reunion could've done. Had they have toured in '96 or '97, it would've been through the roof. Now, it would have a minimal impact especially after the success of last year's tour.

[S2M]

FYI, quit spanking it to gross receipts....instead, research attendance figures. A more logical way of assessing success.

[Voyager]

I think the window has kind of closed as far as what a Perry reunion could've done.

Someone could have said the same thing about The Police or DLR with Van Halen, but the window was obviously open for them. Don't underestimate the baby boomers who grew up with Steve Perry as their Elvis. Were you even around during that time? If not, I can see why you wouldn't understand it.

If anything, his demand has increased. Just look at how the loons foam at the mouth when someone posts a "Steve Perry hummed something this week" thread. Steve Perry's name always draws praise whenever someone brings it up. He's as well-known and well-respected in the USA as Mick Jagger or Paul McCartney. None of the other Journey singers can bring that type of high profile recognition to the band.

If an unknown foreign singer can sell $45k in tickets for Journey, a well-known American icon like Steve Perry could at least triple that figure for them.

(Nothing against Arnel, but he's just not well-known in the USA like Perry is.)

[lights1961]

no tour would have happened... so 0.00 would have been made...

[stevew2]

I'm not even reading any previous comments. But I voted the same, although if I was being totally accurate, I would put it somewhere between the same and $75 million. They would've done a little better (50-60 million). I think the window has kind of closed as far as what a Perry reunion could've done. Had they have toured in '96 or '97, it would've been through the roof. Now, it would have a minimal impact especially after the success of last year's tour.

You are never even close being accuate on anything you say ,go put on your survivior cds that you made them {along with a bunch of your other trash} sign from this weekend you loser

[Voyager]

no tour would have happened... so 0.00 would have been made...

I think Neal figured that out back in 1998 and made the right move for Journey. If he wouldn't have, we probably wouldn't even be here talking about Journey because the band wouldn't be relevant anymore.

It's still fun to say "What if?" once in a while. Perry has a lot of die-hard fans who will never be truly satisfied with a replacement.

[madsplash]

I think this is a cop out response, SJ.

Actually, it's got facts to back it up. Perry quit the ROR tour, quit the FTLOSM tour and backed out of the TBF tour. Hardly a cop out answer, sir.

Bullshit. Mother dying on ROR, horrible bronchitis/pnuemonia on FTLOSM, and needing a freaking hip replacement on TBF, all qualify as pretty legitimate reasons.

How about all of the other tours that he completed with Journey? You seem to be forgetting those.

[Voyager]

I think this is a cop out response, SJ.

Actually, it's got facts to back it up. Perry quit the ROR tour, quit the FTLOSM tour and backed out of the TBF tour. Hardly a cop out answer, sir.

Bullshit. Mother dying on ROR, horrible bronchitis/pnuemonia on FTLOSM, and needing a freaking hip replacement on TBF, all qualify as pretty legitimate reasons.

How about all of the other tours that he completed with Journey? You seem to be forgetting those.

Yeah, it's kind of like when Eddie Van Halen was wasted and went to rehab... people were dissing him on message boards everywhere... as if they had forgotten all the good stuff he did (I was guilty of it too). If it weren't for Perry, I doubt we would even be here on this forum. Journey probably would have never made it big as a band without him (he was their last chance at keeping their recording contract - Herbie said "Meet your new singer"), and Neal would have moved on to something better.

[Saint John]

I think this is a cop out response, SJ.

Actually, it's got facts to back it up. Perry quit the ROR tour, quit the FTLOSM tour and backed out of the TBF tour. Hardly a cop out answer, sir.

Bullshit. Mother dying on ROR, horrible bronchitis/pnuemonia on FTLOSM, and needing a freaking hip replacement on TBF, all qualify as pretty legitimate reasons.

How about all of the other tours that he completed with Journey? You seem to be forgetting those.

Quitters quit. I don't really care why. Any one of these I'd be able to give the benefit of the doubt to, but when you see it happen over and over again it's called a pattern.

[Rick]

I think this is a cop out response, SJ.

Actually, it's got facts to back it up. Perry quit the ROR tour, quit the FTLOSM tour and backed out of the TBF tour. Hardly a cop out answer, sir.

Bullshit. Mother dying on ROR, horrible bronchitis/pnuemonia on FTLOSM, and needing a freaking hip replacement on TBF, all qualify as pretty legitimate reasons.

How about all of the other tours that he completed with Journey? You seem to be forgetting those.

Quitters quit. I don't really care why. Any one of these I'd be able to give the benefit of the doubt to, but when you see it happen over and over again it's called a pattern.

Hey, you sound like my attendance counselor at work. They treat us like school children.

"Do you have a doctors note?" No, and I didn't bring a note from my mother, either.

[Gideon]

If Perry can't sing as well as he used to or hit the notes like he used to, regardless of what this thing would sell, I believe the vast majority of the audience would walk away pissed as all get out.

[artist4perry]

I've got a novel idea, why don't we wait and see what he can and cannot do before we speculate that he cannot? I crack up at people who have not heard him sing, saying he possibly can't, or probably can't. I think he can...........I think we haven't heard the last of MR. Perry. And he has more to offer than most of us know.

So it boils down to a glass is half empty or full kind of theory. Are you a pessimist or an optomist? Some are so Pro Arnel, that they will never be fair where Perry is concerned. Arnel deserves credit for walking into a hornets nest of resentment.

[artist4perry]

You are saying a Perry led band would make 200 million dollars huh?

Bruce made 156 Million. So you Journey fans are saying Journey would be a bigger draw than E Street band?


Bruce did it touring with no opening act. Journey had two acts opening for them, , and made 1/4th of what Bruce and band did.

Now I know I am wasting my time here.

And this is an honest post wit no bias in it at all.

Love the av. RD!

[Gideon]

I've got a novel idea, why don't we wait and see what he can and cannot do before we speculate that he cannot?

Fantastic idea.

It's just too bad you indulge in needless speculation yourself in the next few sentences.

I crack up at people who have not heard him sing, saying he possibly can't, or probably can't.

The cold fact of life is that the man has noticeably declined in all technical aspects. No one here has disputed whether or not he can sing; Perry was accomplished enough that he'll likely always carry a reasonably high tenor voice along with a remarkably pleasant tone. But the likelihood of him remaining some sort of vocal juggernaut as he was in his heyday is about slim to none.

Suffice it to say: it's a very real possibility.

I think he can...........I think we haven't heard the last of MR. Perry. And he has more to offer than most of us know.

This would be the needless speculation I mentioned. No offense, A4P, but it seems like you're trying to silence those who are skeptical, suspicious, or weary of the claims that present day Perry is "lulz teh uber god!!1!" That doesn't fly. His last recordings demonstrated that he is much weaker than his younger incarnation and it's essentially irrefutable.

Your entitled to your opinion; we're entitled to ours.

So it boils down to a glass is half empty or full kind of theory. Are you a pessimist or an optomist?

Personally, I'm a realist. If you compare his vocals from Infinity to Frontiers to Trial By Fire, you will notice significant changes. Judging his vocal on "I Stand Alone", he remains a reasonably high tenor with reasonable amounts of power, particularly for his age. Compared to what he used to be? From a technical perspective, he's declined. Vastly. Does he have a beautiful voice, even at 60? Logically, yes. He was far too accomplished and skilled to lose it all. But no one has presented any evidence that suggests how he'd somehow regain his vocal god status despite major inactivity and the drawbacks of age.

Some are so Pro Arnel, that they will never be fair where Perry is concerned.

It's far more the reverse, actually.

Arnel deserves credit for walking into a hornets nest of resentment.

Yes he does.

[artist4perry]

I've got a novel idea, why don't we wait and see what he can and cannot do before we speculate that he cannot?

Fantastic idea.

It's just too bad you indulge in needless speculation yourself in the next few sentences.

I crack up at people who have not heard him sing, saying he possibly can't, or probably can't.

The cold fact of life is that the man has noticeably declined in all technical aspects. No one here has disputed whether or not he can sing; Perry was accomplished enough that he'll likely always carry a reasonably high tenor voice along with a remarkably pleasant tone. But the likelihood of him remaining some sort of vocal juggernaut as he was in his heyday is about slim to none.

Suffice it to say: it's a very real possibility.

I think he can...........I think we haven't heard the last of MR. Perry. And he has more to offer than most of us know.

This would be the needless speculation I mentioned. No offense, A4P, but it seems like you're trying to silence those who are skeptical, suspicious, or weary of the claims that present day Perry is "lulz teh uber god!!1!" That doesn't fly. His last recordings demonstrated that he is much weaker than his younger incarnation and it's essentially irrefutable.

Your entitled to your opinion; we're entitled to ours.

So it boils down to a glass is half empty or full kind of theory. Are you a pessimist or an optomist?

Personally, I'm a realist. If you compare his vocals from Infinity to Frontiers to Trial By Fire, you will notice significant changes. Judging his vocal on "I Stand Alone", he remains a reasonably high tenor with reasonable amounts of power, particularly for his age. Compared to what he used to be? From a technical perspective, he's declined. Vastly. Does he have a beautiful voice, even at 60? Logically, yes. He was far too accomplished and skilled to lose it all. But no one has presented any evidence that suggests how he'd somehow regain his vocal god status despite major inactivity and the drawbacks of age.

Some are so Pro Arnel, that they will never be fair where Perry is concerned.

It's far more the reverse, actually.

Arnel deserves credit for walking into a hornets nest of resentment.

Yes he does.

First off Giddy, never said anyone is not entitled to their own theories or oppinions, just said it cracks me up. Part two: you haven't heard him sing, and so you know as little as I do about his abilities right now. And I sing all the time, though not professionally, so who knows if he isn't singing around the house, in studios etc?
Don't knock us old folks junior, some day you too will join our ranks, and much faster than you will ever realize. I actually sing richer notes than I did when I was 20, not as high, but more solid.

Love you Giddy, you would turn the girls heads on the debate team.......but dreamers like me love to be optomistic. I know you deal only in what is analytical........you miss out some. You are definately a left brained individual. Nothing wrong with that!

Sugar, I had a tooth pulled today, so debating right now is a bit of a lost cause........pain meds and all........ But I am not saying that no one has a right to say or feel anything. Free country and all........I am just saying their are two types of people, pessimists and optomists......the world revolves with both in tow.............

[Gideon]

We'll agree to disagree.

And don't worry. I'm not going to send all you "old folks" to the gulag just yet.

[artist4perry]

We'll agree to disagree.

And don't worry. I'm not going to send all you "old folks" to the gulag just yet.

Your such as sweet boy, and agreeing to disagree is fine with me. I like you just the same.

[perryswoman]

Uhh...there is absolutely NO WAY this band wouldn't have (at least) doubled their gross with Perry. Anyone who thinks differently is either fooling themselves or has some Arnel inspired agenda.

Get real, ya'll.

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[Deacon]

Uhh...there is absolutely NO WAY this band wouldn't have (at least) doubled their gross with Perry. Anyone who thinks differently is either fooling themselves or has some Arnel inspired agenda.

Get real, ya'll.

+2

Could you provide some substantiation behind that opinion?