RECENT SP mention RE: "new material"

[Jana]

Yeah, but Perry has this thing called integrity...

That's why he jumped ship in 1987 and 1998. I think not.

Actually its "perceived integrity"... and the casual fan doesn't give a flying frigg about it... its a non-starter...

That's why he fired Ross Valory and the Great Steve Smith after all those years together. - Integrity.

[S2M]

Yeah, but Perry has this thing called integrity...

That's why he jumped ship in 1987 and 1998. I think not.

Actually its "perceived integrity"... and the casual fan doesn't give a flying frigg about it... its a non-starter...

That's why he fired Ross Valory and the Great Steve Smith after all those years together. - Integrity.

Yep, and the remainder of the band did absolutely nothing to stop it.....no one has any integrity in that band. NO ONE.

[Saint John]

Yep, and the remainder of the band did absolutely nothing to stop it.....

Bullshit. Everyone was against it, but there are bills to pay and mouths to feed. They did everything practical in their power. They fought it, made sure the guys he kicked to the curb got paid, and went and toured.

[SP Fan in Oregon]

Yeah, but Perry has this thing called integrity...

That's why he jumped ship in 1987 and 1998. I think not.

Actually its "perceived integrity"... and the casual fan doesn't give a flying frigg about it... its a non-starter...

That's why he fired Ross Valory and the Great Steve Smith after all those years together. - Integrity.

Yep, and the remainder of the band did absolutely nothing to stop it.....no one has any integrity in that band. NO ONE.

Steve did an interview which I'm sure most of you have seen where he reflected on his past decision to fire Ross and Steve Smith and admitted he
made a mistake doing that, but at the time it seemed like the right business decision to make, to take the band where he thought it should go. Remember,
his singing MADE THE BAND and he had every right to lead the band in the direction he felt was appropriate. The other band members let it happen to, because they believed in Perry's vision.
He had been right so far in his decision making for the band, the songs he chose, "Open Arms", etc. etc.
Obviously, Perry's arguments as to why he thought the firing was appropriate at the time, were valid as the other band members, Neal, went along with that decision.
Perhaps Perry made a mistake, but making mistakes are something wholly different then not having integrity...........

The word Integrity comes from the Greek words 'integritas' and 'integra' meaning whole. It enters into any aspect of one's life. It's belief system without faltering no matter how dangerous, how unpopular the person makes themselves to others. It includes: sincerity, keeping one's word and agreements, honesty, truthfulness, ethics, fairness and justice, punctuality and never faltering for what one believes in. A quote regarding integrity is 'It is better to have an enemy who keeps his word, than a friend who does not.' In addition, integrity is having values, being consistent with one's values or belief system, not wavering due to outside influences, standing strong in how one should live and believe.

I can't speak about the integrity of the other band members, but after watching every live interview of Perry speaking, I feel I can judge his character from everything he has said, what he says, how he says it, and the things he does not say even though he could.......... my conclusion.......... and just my opinion.... I think Steve Perry has lived his life with integrity and is a very classy man.

[Michigan Girl]

Perhaps Perry made a mistake, but making mistakes are something wholly different then not having integrity...........

True!!! :wink:

[Saint John]

Remember,
his singing MADE THE BAND

The lead singer is (almost) always the most recognizable, and in the case of Journey he was hired to do a job and did it well. Herbie was the visionary behind the band and when Perry wrestled that control away from him the band went right down the tubes.

and he had every right to lead the band in the direction he felt was appropriate.

Oh, the band that he "never felt like a part of"?

The other band members let it happen to, because they believed in Perry's vision.

No they didn't. Where are you getting this bullshit from? They believed in their manager's vision. You know, the guy that hired Perry and was the most innovative manager in the business.

He had been right so far in his decision making for the band, the songs he chose, "Open Arms", etc. etc.

Let's hear the "Etc, etc, etc" part. Herbie fought just as hard for that song. Perry wasn't right about shit. Herbie was the manager. You're clearly an empty-headed loon.

Obviously, Perry's arguments as to why he thought the firing was appropriate at the time, were valid as the other band members, Neal, went along with that decision.

The fuck Neal did. And there's nothing "obvious" about it. You can only say "no" for so long when you have bills to pay and mouths to feed. Because someone puts a gun to your head and you're forced to go along with it doesn't mean you agree with what's happening.

I can't speak about the integrity of the other band members, but after watching every live interview of Perry speaking, I feel I can judge his character from everything he has said, what he says, how he says it, and the things he does not say even though he could.......... my conclusion.......... and just my opinion.... I think Steve Perry has lived his life with integrity and is a very classy man.

And I've picked up on him closing his eyes and looking away as being a sign that a bunch of bullshit is about to be spewed. What's your point? And what's with so many ellipses? 3 in a row is standard legal procedure. You should know that.

[StevePerryHair]

Remember,
his singing MADE THE BAND

The lead singer is (almost) always the most recognizable, and in the case of Journey he was hired to do a job and did it well. Herbie was the visionary behind the band and when Perry wrestled that control away from him the band went right down the tubes.

and he had every right to lead the band in the direction he felt was appropriate.

Oh, the band that he "never felt like a part of"?

The other band members let it happen to, because they believed in Perry's vision.

No they didn't. Where are you getting this bullshit from? They believed in their manager's vision. You know, the guy that hired Perry and was the most innovative manager in the business.

He had been right so far in his decision making for the band, the songs he chose, "Open Arms", etc. etc.

Let's hear the "Etc, etc, etc" part. Herbie fought just as hard for that song. Perry wasn't right about shit. Herbie was the manager. You're clearly an empty-headed loon.

Obviously, Perry's arguments as to why he thought the firing was appropriate at the time, were valid as the other band members, Neal, went along with that decision.

The fuck Neal did. And there's nothing "obvious" about it. You can only say "no" for so long when you have bills to pay and mouths to feed. Because someone puts a gun to your head and you're forced to go along with it doesn't mean you agree with what's happening.

I can't speak about the integrity of the other band members, but after watching every live interview of Perry speaking, I feel I can judge his character from everything he has said, what he says, how he says it, and the things he does not say even though he could.......... my conclusion.......... and just my opinion.... I think Steve Perry has lived his life with integrity and is a very classy man.

And I've picked up on him closing his eyes and looking away as being a sign that a bunch of bullshit is about to be spewed. What's your point? And what's with so many ellipses? 3 in a row is standard legal procedure. You should know that.

I have never seen quoting functions used as I have seen them used today

[Rhiannon]

I have never seen quoting functions used as I have seen them used today

Is it a full moon?

[Deb]

I have never seen quoting functions used as I have seen them used today

Is it a full moon?

Yep.

[artist4perry]

I have never seen quoting functions used as I have seen them used today

Is it a full moon?

Yep.

MG needs to borrow some of your tush there, hers keeps falling off!

[Rhiannon]

I have never seen quoting functions used as I have seen them used today

Is it a full moon?

Yep.

That's not a full moon, that's Lynn's batsignal. Duhhhh.

[Jana]

Yeah, but Perry has this thing called integrity...

That's why he jumped ship in 1987 and 1998. I think not.

Actually its "perceived integrity"... and the casual fan doesn't give a flying frigg about it... its a non-starter...

That's why he fired Ross Valory and the Great Steve Smith after all those years together. - Integrity.

Yep, and the remainder of the band did absolutely nothing to stop it.....no one has any integrity in that band. NO ONE.

Steve did an interview which I'm sure most of you have seen where he reflected on his past decision to fire Ross and Steve Smith and admitted he
made a mistake doing that, but at the time it seemed like the right business decision to make, to take the band where he thought it should go. Remember,
his singing MADE THE BAND and he had every right to lead the band in the direction he felt was appropriate. The other band members let it happen to, because they believed in Perry's vision.He had been right so far in his decision making for the band, the songs he chose, "Open Arms", etc. etc.
Obviously, Perry's arguments as to why he thought the firing was appropriate at the time, were valid as the other band members, Neal, went along with that decision.
Perhaps Perry made a mistake, but making mistakes are something wholly different then not having integrity...........

The word Integrity comes from the Greek words 'integritas' and 'integra' meaning whole. It enters into any aspect of one's life. It's belief system without faltering no matter how dangerous, how unpopular the person makes themselves to others. It includes: sincerity, keeping one's word and agreements, honesty, truthfulness, ethics, fairness and justice, punctuality and never faltering for what one believes in. A quote regarding integrity is 'It is better to have an enemy who keeps his word, than a friend who does not.' In addition, integrity is having values, being consistent with one's values or belief system, not wavering due to outside influences, standing strong in how one should live and believe.

I can't speak about the integrity of the other band members, but after watching every live interview of Perry speaking, I feel I can judge his character from everything he has said, what he says, how he says it, and the things he does not say even though he could.......... my conclusion.......... and just my opinion.... I think Steve Perry has lived his life with integrity and is a very classy man.

Sorry, I quit reading after the part I bolded. Perry had them by the balls. They sold their soul to make him happy and just get ROR made. They were weak and should have stood up for their band members, so they were no better than him.
My point was they have all been assholes at one time or another, even saintly Perry.

[walkslikealady]

Didn't I read an interview somewhere that it was Steve Smith's suggestion that SP produce/whatever ROR? Also, later didn't SS sort of admit that he (Smith) wasn't willing to play what SP was trying to create? When you're in control, you have to make some unpopular decisions sometimes.

Also, didn't Steve Perry state for him the music demanded it at the time...and state that he probably was wrong and wouldn't do it again.

As for NS and JC, I don't know what they did or didn't do at the time. Ultimately, it seems they didn't stand up for the other two. Was it their idea to pay the two, was it SP's, or just a contract no one could get out of at the time?

However, I do remember the "big grin" Neal Schon had on his face when he saw SP at the star ceremony.

[perryswoman]

Didn't I read an interview somewhere that it was Steve Smith's suggestion that SP produce/whatever ROR? Also, later didn't SS sort of admit that he (Smith) wasn't willing to play what SP was trying to create? When you're in control, you have to make some unpopular decisions sometimes.

Also, didn't Steve Perry state for him the music demanded it at the time...and state that he probably was wrong and wouldn't do it again.

As for NS and JC, I don't know what they did or didn't do at the time. Ultimately, it seems they didn't stand up for the other two. Was it their idea to pay the two, was it SP's, or just a contract no one could get out of at the time?

However, I do remember the "big grin" Neal Schon had on his face when he saw SP at the star ceremony.

Yes I remember that big old grin too and remember Schon talk about it as well but they haven't talked since have they?

[slucero]

Yeah, but Perry has this thing called integrity...

That's why he jumped ship in 1987 and 1998. I think not.

Actually its "perceived integrity"... and the casual fan doesn't give a flying frigg about it... its a non-starter...

That's why he fired Ross Valory and the Great Steve Smith after all those years together. - Integrity.

Roll your eyes if you want, hell I agree with you... but the REALITY is that for the casual fan, that is the equivalent of a thimble-full of jackshit. They simply aren't that invested in the history or the legacy... like we are.

[stevew2]

I have never seen quoting functions used as I have seen them used today

Is it a full moon?

Yep.

MG needs to borrow some of your tush there, hers keeps falling off!

If her tush falls off, id like to be there

[artist4perry]

I have never seen quoting functions used as I have seen them used today

Is it a full moon?

Yep.

MG needs to borrow some of your tush there, hers keeps falling off!

If her tush falls off, id like to be there

She is a great gal.

[SP Fan in Oregon]

Remember,
his singing MADE THE BAND

The lead singer is (almost) always the most recognizable, and in the case of Journey he was hired to do a job and did it well. Herbie was the visionary behind the band and when Perry wrestled that control away from him the band went right down the tubes.

HERBIE MAY HAVE HAD THE TITLE AS "MANAGER," BUT PERRY WAS THE LEADER. PERRY DIDN'T HAVE TO WRESTLE ANY CONTROL, HE WAS GIVEN CONTROL BECAUSE HE HAD ALL THE POWER.
THERE ARE LEAD SINGERS AND THEN THERE IS PERRY........... YOU CAN'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT HE WAS JUST DOING HIS JOB AND DOING IT WELL. JOURNEY DIDN'T BECOME GREAT JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD A GOOD SINGER STANDING OUT IN THE FRONT. PERRY WAS A CERTAINLY A DRIVING FORCE, A GREAT BUSINESS MAN AND SHOULD BE GIVEN MORE CREDIT THAN JUST THE "HIRED SINGER".

and he had every right to lead the band in the direction he felt was appropriate.

Oh, the band that he "never felt like a part of"? I BELIEVE HIM WHEN HE SAID THAT.
HE HAS SAID IN INTERVIEWS THAT WHILE THE REST OF THE GUYS WERE PARTYING, PERRY LEFT RIGHT FROM THE CONCERT, STRAIGHT TO HIS HOTEL ROOM, ALONE, BY HIMSELF BECAUSE HE NEEDED TO REST HIS VOICE, AND NOT TALK. HE WAS ISOLATED. ALL THE GUYS IN THE BAND WERE TOGETHER FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE PERRY. I CAN SEE HOW HE WOULD FEEL LIKE THE NEW GUY ON THE BLOCK, ESPECIALLY IF HE ALREADY WAS SHY WHICH MANY PEOPLE SAY HE WAS THEN, MAYBE STILL IS. JUST BECAUSE HE WAS PRESENT, DOESN'T MEAN HE FELT LIKE ONE OF THE GUYS. IT SOUNDS LIKE HE DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD THAT ARE MEMBERS OF GROUPS AND STILL FEEL LIKE THEY ARE NOT CONNECTED TO THAT GROUP, FEEL INSECURE ABOUT THEIR PLACE IN THE GROUP AND INSECURE ABOUT IT. I THINK THAT IS WHAT PERRY WAS SAYING ABOUT THAT.

The other band members let it happen to, because they believed in Perry's vision.

No they didn't. Where are you getting this bullshit from? They believed in their manager's vision. You know, the guy that hired Perry and was the most innovative manager in the business. THEN WHY DID NEAL SAY IN AN INTERVIEW THAT PERRY HAD THE BALL AND THEY LET HIM RUN WITH IT? OBVIOUSLY, NEAL LIKED WHAT PERRY WAS DOING, AND THE BAND WAS MOVING FORWARD, BEING SUCCESSFUL.

He had been right so far in his decision making for the band, the songs he chose, "Open Arms", etc. etc.

Let's hear the "Etc, etc, etc" part. Herbie fought just as hard for that song. Perry wasn't right about shit. Herbie was the manager. You're clearly an empty-headed loon. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW I CAN BE AN "EMPTY HEADED LOON" WITH A LAW DEGREE, A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN BUSINESS, AND A SUCCESSFUL LAW PRACTICE WITH MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CLIENTS? I HAVE CREDENTIALS THAT WOULD MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A MORON...........SO DON'T CHALLENGE MY INTELLIGENCE............. I CAN APPRECIATE YOU CHALLENGING MY OPINION, BUT NOT MY INTELLIGENCE...........

Obviously, Perry's arguments as to why he thought the firing was appropriate at the time, were valid as the other band members, Neal, went along with that decision.

The fuck Neal did. And there's nothing "obvious" about it. You can only say "no" for so long when you have bills to pay and mouths to feed. Because someone puts a gun to your head and you're forced to go along with it doesn't mean you agree with what's happening. GRANTED. THAT WAS SPECULATION ON MY PART.

I can't speak about the integrity of the other band members, but after watching every live interview of Perry speaking, I feel I can judge his character from everything he has said, what he says, how he says it, and the things he does not say even though he could.......... my conclusion.......... and just my opinion.... I think Steve Perry has lived his life with integrity and is a very classy man.

And I've picked up on him closing his eyes and looking away as being a sign that a bunch of bullshit is about to be spewed. What's your point? And what's with so many ellipses? 3 in a row is standard legal procedure. You should know that.

LEGAL PROCEDURE IS A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN PUNCTUATION STANDARDS; JUST LIKE MISTAKES ARE A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN INTEGRITY. ISN'T THAT HOW THIS ALL STARTED, SOMEONE CHALLENGING PERRY'S INTEGRITY? Sorry, I have bolded my response back to you. I just don't know how to do those quotes on quotes.

[Vladan]

Saint John, mmm I reckon you ahh opened a whole can worms now mate, this one is probably more than you or even the great Rockindeano could ever handle. I reckon call it a day now, before your eatin alive for the second time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gY_gFpUGJw

[StevePerryHair]

I have never seen quoting functions used as I have seen them used today

Is it a full moon?

Yep.

That's not a full moon, that's Lynn's batsignal. Duhhhh.

[mmberry301]

I have never seen quoting functions used as I have seen them used today

Is it a full moon?

That's no moon...... it's a spacestation

- Star Wars (A new hope)

[DracIsBack]

Look at all these Journey fans who were apparently in the studio with the guys at the time and apparently were personally there to witness what went down ...



Do you guys go to Neal's for lunch on Monday, Ross's for breakfast on Wednesday and then have a BBQ at Perry's on Sunday?

[Jana]

SPF FAN IN OREGON REPLIED TO SAINT JOHN:

"CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW I CAN BE AN "EMPTY HEADED LOON" WITH A LAW DEGREE, A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN BUSINESS, AND A SUCCESSFUL LAW PRACTICE WITH MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CLIENTS? I HAVE CREDENTIALS THAT WOULD MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A MORON"

We know. You've mentioned your law degree and undergraduate degree in business many times on here. I work with attorneys day in and day out. But I find COMMON SENSE to be very important in looking at a situation.

"And credentials that would make you look like a moron." Some of the smartest people I know or who post on here don't have a law degree. And I work with lawyers day in and day out, and there's a few I wonder how they ever got through undergrad, much less law school.

[madsplash]

Remember,
his singing MADE THE BAND

The lead singer is (almost) always the most recognizable, and in the case of Journey he was hired to do a job and did it well. Herbie was the visionary behind the band and when Perry wrestled that control away from him the band went right down the tubes.

HERBIE MAY HAVE HAD THE TITLE AS "MANAGER," BUT PERRY WAS THE LEADER. PERRY DIDN'T HAVE TO WRESTLE ANY CONTROL, HE WAS GIVEN CONTROL BECAUSE HE HAD ALL THE POWER.
THERE ARE LEAD SINGERS AND THEN THERE IS PERRY........... YOU CAN'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT HE WAS JUST DOING HIS JOB AND DOING IT WELL. JOURNEY DIDN'T BECOME GREAT JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD A GOOD SINGER STANDING OUT IN THE FRONT. PERRY WAS A CERTAINLY A DRIVING FORCE, A GREAT BUSINESS MAN AND SHOULD BE GIVEN MORE CREDIT THAN JUST THE "HIRED SINGER".

and he had every right to lead the band in the direction he felt was appropriate.

Oh, the band that he "never felt like a part of"? I BELIEVE HIM WHEN HE SAID THAT.
HE HAS SAID IN INTERVIEWS THAT WHILE THE REST OF THE GUYS WERE PARTYING, PERRY LEFT RIGHT FROM THE CONCERT, STRAIGHT TO HIS HOTEL ROOM, ALONE, BY HIMSELF BECAUSE HE NEEDED TO REST HIS VOICE, AND NOT TALK. HE WAS ISOLATED. ALL THE GUYS IN THE BAND WERE TOGETHER FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE PERRY. I CAN SEE HOW HE WOULD FEEL LIKE THE NEW GUY ON THE BLOCK, ESPECIALLY IF HE ALREADY WAS SHY WHICH MANY PEOPLE SAY HE WAS THEN, MAYBE STILL IS. JUST BECAUSE HE WAS PRESENT, DOESN'T MEAN HE FELT LIKE ONE OF THE GUYS. IT SOUNDS LIKE HE DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD THAT ARE MEMBERS OF GROUPS AND STILL FEEL LIKE THEY ARE NOT CONNECTED TO THAT GROUP, FEEL INSECURE ABOUT THEIR PLACE IN THE GROUP AND INSECURE ABOUT IT. I THINK THAT IS WHAT PERRY WAS SAYING ABOUT THAT.

The other band members let it happen to, because they believed in Perry's vision.

No they didn't. Where are you getting this bullshit from? They believed in their manager's vision. You know, the guy that hired Perry and was the most innovative manager in the business. THEN WHY DID NEAL SAY IN AN INTERVIEW THAT PERRY HAD THE BALL AND THEY LET HIM RUN WITH IT? OBVIOUSLY, NEAL LIKED WHAT PERRY WAS DOING, AND THE BAND WAS MOVING FORWARD, BEING SUCCESSFUL.

He had been right so far in his decision making for the band, the songs he chose, "Open Arms", etc. etc.

Let's hear the "Etc, etc, etc" part. Herbie fought just as hard for that song. Perry wasn't right about shit. Herbie was the manager. You're clearly an empty-headed loon. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW I CAN BE AN "EMPTY HEADED LOON" WITH A LAW DEGREE, A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN BUSINESS, AND A SUCCESSFUL LAW PRACTICE WITH MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CLIENTS? I HAVE CREDENTIALS THAT WOULD MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A MORON...........SO DON'T CHALLENGE MY INTELLIGENCE............. I CAN APPRECIATE YOU CHALLENGING MY OPINION, BUT NOT MY INTELLIGENCE...........

Obviously, Perry's arguments as to why he thought the firing was appropriate at the time, were valid as the other band members, Neal, went along with that decision.

The fuck Neal did. And there's nothing "obvious" about it. You can only say "no" for so long when you have bills to pay and mouths to feed. Because someone puts a gun to your head and you're forced to go along with it doesn't mean you agree with what's happening. GRANTED. THAT WAS SPECULATION ON MY PART.

I can't speak about the integrity of the other band members, but after watching every live interview of Perry speaking, I feel I can judge his character from everything he has said, what he says, how he says it, and the things he does not say even though he could.......... my conclusion.......... and just my opinion.... I think Steve Perry has lived his life with integrity and is a very classy man.

And I've picked up on him closing his eyes and looking away as being a sign that a bunch of bullshit is about to be spewed. What's your point? And what's with so many ellipses? 3 in a row is standard legal procedure. You should know that.

LEGAL PROCEDURE IS A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN PUNCTUATION STANDARDS; JUST LIKE MISTAKES ARE A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN INTEGRITY. ISN'T THAT HOW THIS ALL STARTED, SOMEONE CHALLENGING PERRY'S INTEGRITY? Sorry, I have bolded my response back to you. I just don't know how to do those quotes on quotes.

Great post, SP Fan. Everything you've said is well thought out and accurate. But you're banging your head against a brick wall here. SJ is one of several here who think everything bad was SP's fault. It's VERY easy to be involved in a group and not feel like your part of it.

Either way, doesn't matter. Everyone involved with Journey can get down on their hands a knees and thank God that SP ever came into that band. If he hadn't, we wouldn't even be talking about this right now and Neal sure as hell wouldn't be able to make his outrageous alimony/child support payments. And Herbie would have many less millions than he does.

Yea, SJ, Neal hated what Perry was doing, give me a break. He was riding the cash bus.

[Rhiannon]

Everyone involved with Journey can get down on their hands a knees and thank God that SP ever came into that band. If he hadn't, we wouldn't even be talking about this right now

Not to overstate the obvious, MS... but you have no clue what would have happened with that band had Perry never come along. They may have disbanded, they may have had moderate yet unmemorable success with Fleischman, or perhaps some other dude might have come along and took them to fame. There's absolutely no way of knowing where the guys would be if things were different. And to say that other (TALENTED) musicians would have been more or less failures without one person's influence is putting an unrealistic god-power on someone. Which is nothing short of delusional. It was the combination of those five guys, and the two later replacements (Smitty & Jon) that gave their music the perfect storm of chemistry to be absolutely unstoppable. Not one man.

[madsplash]

Everyone involved with Journey can get down on their hands a knees and thank God that SP ever came into that band. If he hadn't, we wouldn't even be talking about this right now

Not to overstate the obvious, MS... but you have no clue what would have happened with that band had Perry never come along. They may have disbanded, they may have had moderate yet unmemorable success with Fleischman, or perhaps some other dude might have come along and took them to fame. There's absolutely no way of knowing where the guys would be if things were different. And to say that other (TALENTED) musicians would have been more or less failures without one person's influence is putting an unrealistic god-power on someone. Which is nothing short of delusional. It was the combination of those five guys, and the two later replacements (Smitty & Jon) that gave their music the perfect storm of chemistry to be absolutely unstoppable. Not one man.

Disagree. How were they doing BEFORE he got there? OK, that's what I thought.
I don't know for sure what would have happened, but I know what DID happen when he got there. That's fact, what DID happen, and they should all be thankful.

[bluejeangirl76]

Everyone involved with Journey can get down on their hands a knees and thank God that SP ever came into that band. If he hadn't, we wouldn't even be talking about this right now

Not to overstate the obvious, MS... but you have no clue what would have happened with that band had Perry never come along. They may have disbanded, they may have had moderate yet unmemorable success with Fleischman, or perhaps some other dude might have come along and took them to fame. There's absolutely no way of knowing where the guys would be if things were different. And to say that other (TALENTED) musicians would have been more or less failures without one person's influence is putting an unrealistic god-power on someone. Which is nothing short of delusional. It was the combination of those five guys, and the two later replacements (Smitty & Jon) that gave their music the perfect storm of chemistry to be absolutely unstoppable. Not one man.

Agreed. And may I add... *YAWN*. Same old argument. While I do say that the success level Journey did reach once upon a time was in great part due to Perry's presence, this is not to say they could not or would not have had success otherwise. But we only know what did happen, not what could have or would have, and to take away from the other talent in the band, NAMELY (for me) Schon and Smith, is highly unfair.

[Rhiannon]

Everyone involved with Journey can get down on their hands a knees and thank God that SP ever came into that band. If he hadn't, we wouldn't even be talking about this right now

Not to overstate the obvious, MS... but you have no clue what would have happened with that band had Perry never come along. They may have disbanded, they may have had moderate yet unmemorable success with Fleischman, or perhaps some other dude might have come along and took them to fame. There's absolutely no way of knowing where the guys would be if things were different. And to say that other (TALENTED) musicians would have been more or less failures without one person's influence is putting an unrealistic god-power on someone. Which is nothing short of delusional. It was the combination of those five guys, and the two later replacements (Smitty & Jon) that gave their music the perfect storm of chemistry to be absolutely unstoppable. Not one man.

Disagree. How were they doing BEFORE he got there? OK, that's what I thought.
I don't know for sure what would have happened, but I know what DID happen when he got there. That's fact, what DID happen, and they should all be thankful.

Yet Steve Perry leaves the band and it's still called Journey. Steve Perry leaves the band and they didn't crumble to dust, and have actually done decently.
So if you're one of those "Journey was Steve Perry" people, then why wasn't he more successful in his solo career than he was? Riddle me this...

[bluejeangirl76]

Yet Steve Perry leaves the band and it's still called Journey. Steve Perry leaves the band and they didn't crumble to dust, and have actually done decently.
So if you're one of those "Journey was Steve Perry" people, then why wasn't he more successful in his solo career than he was? Riddle me this...

Rhi, step outside and have this argument with the closest brick wall. You'll get farther.

[SP Fan in Oregon]

Everyone involved with Journey can get down on their hands a knees and thank God that SP ever came into that band. If he hadn't, we wouldn't even be talking about this right now

Not to overstate the obvious, MS... but you have no clue what would have happened with that band had Perry never come along. They may have disbanded, they may have had moderate yet unmemorable success with Fleischman, or perhaps some other dude might have come along and took them to fame. There's absolutely no way of knowing where the guys would be if things were different. And to say that other (TALENTED) musicians would have been more or less failures without one person's influence is putting an unrealistic god-power on someone. Which is nothing short of delusional. It was the combination of those five guys, and the two later replacements (Smitty & Jon) that gave their music the perfect storm of chemistry to be absolutely unstoppable. Not one man.

Disagree. How were they doing BEFORE he got there? OK, that's what I thought.
I don't know for sure what would have happened, but I know what DID happen when he got there. That's fact, what DID happen, and they should all be thankful.

Yet Steve Perry leaves the band and it's still called Journey. Steve Perry leaves the band and they didn't crumble to dust, and have actually done decently.
So if you're one of those "Journey was Steve Perry" people, then why wasn't he more successful in his solo career than he was? Riddle me this...

The band is still named Journey. There is no doubt that "Journey was Steve Perry," the Journey that they were before Perry left the band. The band has spent years trying to recreate what they had, when they had Perry. Most fans want the songs sung the way Perry sang them. It sounds like nails scratching a chalk board when there are changes from the way Perry sang them. Arnel even mimics Steve Perry's hand gestures while singing the old Journey songs. Arnel's physical stature and long black hair provides a Perry like edge. Imitation is the best compliment. However, I agree that the BEST of Perry was when he was with Journey. The combination of all of them together was magical.