A slightly different Poll here about SP2009

[Blueskies]

JSS: Blank stare

Neal: Just throw it on the panty pile with the rest of 'em...keep singing mofo...[/quote]

[SherriBerry]

I'm trying to remember where I saw a clip of someone throwing panties at the stage and they actually got caught on the neck of Neal's guitar. His roadie had to come out and pull them off as it was mid-song and Neal was standing there playing with panties on his guitar and trying not to laugh! It was during the Perry-era, but I'm not sure which tour. If anyone has a link to the clip, it was really funny.

[EightyRock]

WOULD YOU LIKE Steve Perry to release New Material in 2009? IMHO this question is more accurate...

Voted No because he would be doing it by force
His time is up
Great singer and performer
Not all there in the head.
Im was never part of the band Perry

That's about the flat out dumbest comment I've seen on this board in years, and there have been many. SMFP doesn't do ANYthing by force. In all my years as a Journey fan, I've never seen or heard of him doing anything he didn't want to do, when he didn't want to do it. You're out to lunch, dude...and definitely the one that ain't "all there in the head".

Friga's time as chief candy-ass songster has been up for years, but that doesn't stop him. He still writes the cheesiest ballads on the planet, but he doesn't have Perry anymore to give them credibility.

Yeah, there are plenty of singers that "their time is up", but still have fans that want to hear or see them perform....Lou Gramm, Steven Tyler, Robert Plant, etc. Perry would still blow away 99% of any from his era, regardless of range.

[Voyager]

WOULD YOU LIKE Steve Perry to release New Material in 2009? IMHO this question is more accurate...

Voted No because he would be doing it by force
His time is up
Great singer and performer
Not all there in the head.
Im was never part of the band Perry

How fucking stupid to think that Perry is "not all there in the head" just because he doesn't want to try to hit notes he cannot hit anymore. I'm guessing you would say the same about Augeri since he couldn't hit the high notes anymore either.

It makes me wonder if you are all there in the head. I have my doubts.

[Gideon]

Friga's time as chief candy-ass songster has been up for years, but that doesn't stop him. He still writes the cheesiest ballads on the planet, but he doesn't have Perry anymore to give them credibility.

You amuse me. Perry isn't half the writer Cain is.

[KDOUBLEU]

:lol: I'm trying to remember where I saw a clip of someone throwing panties at the stage and they actually got caught on the neck of Neal's guitar. His roadie had to come out and pull them off as it was mid-song and Neal was standing there playing with panties on his guitar and trying not to laugh! It was during the Perry-era, but I'm not sure which tour. If anyone has a link to the clip, it was really funny.

Ive seen that clip too. But, I believe it was a Bra and it is on Frontiers and Beyond video.

[Gideon]

:lol: I'm trying to remember where I saw a clip of someone throwing panties at the stage and they actually got caught on the neck of Neal's guitar. His roadie had to come out and pull them off as it was mid-song and Neal was standing there playing with panties on his guitar and trying not to laugh! It was during the Perry-era, but I'm not sure which tour. If anyone has a link to the clip, it was really funny.

Ive seen that clip too. But, I believe it was a Bra and it is on Frontiers and Beyond video.

Best part of that video was when Neal got hit by a bottle, kept on playing, and Perry was going to kick someone's ass.

[Saint John]

Friga's time as chief candy-ass songster has been up for years, but that doesn't stop him. He still writes the cheesiest ballads on the planet, but he doesn't have Perry anymore to give them credibility.

Cain was the lone architect for Faithfully, a song that Perry admitted is his very favorite to sing, and he was the main architect behind Don't Stop Believin', the most downloaded song in history. Perry was riding Cain's coattails as far as songwriting goes. That is, basically, without dispute. Look at Perry's solo work. He has a laundry list of co-collaborators and the lyrics still suck ass.

[Gideon]

Friga's time as chief candy-ass songster has been up for years, but that doesn't stop him. He still writes the cheesiest ballads on the planet, but he doesn't have Perry anymore to give them credibility.

Cain was the lone architect for Faithfully, a song that Perry admitted is his very favorite to sing, and he was the main architect behind Don't Stop Believin', the most downloaded song in history. Perry was riding Cain's coattails as far as songwriting goes. That is, basically, without dispute. Look at Perry's solo work. He has a laundry list of co-collaborators and the lyrics still suck ass.

QFT.

[Saint John]

:lol: I'm trying to remember where I saw a clip of someone throwing panties at the stage and they actually got caught on the neck of Neal's guitar. His roadie had to come out and pull them off as it was mid-song and Neal was standing there playing with panties on his guitar and trying not to laugh! It was during the Perry-era, but I'm not sure which tour. If anyone has a link to the clip, it was really funny.

Ive seen that clip too. But, I believe it was a Bra and it is on Frontiers and Beyond video.

Best part of that video was when Neal got hit by a bottle, kept on playing, and Perry was going to kick someone's ass.

I always found that scene to be pretty tell-tale. You have Neal, a dude that just wants to play and nothing can stop him from getting on stage or staying on stage. Then you have Perry, a dude that probably would have walked off stage, fired the entire road crew and acted like a complete shitbag had it been him that got hit with that bottle. Beisdes, I'm quite sure that the bottle thrower would have beat Perry's scrawny ass from sea to shining sea. He's the greatest singer of all-time, but he's not imposing at all.

[Gideon]

:lol: I'm trying to remember where I saw a clip of someone throwing panties at the stage and they actually got caught on the neck of Neal's guitar. His roadie had to come out and pull them off as it was mid-song and Neal was standing there playing with panties on his guitar and trying not to laugh! It was during the Perry-era, but I'm not sure which tour. If anyone has a link to the clip, it was really funny.

Ive seen that clip too. But, I believe it was a Bra and it is on Frontiers and Beyond video.

Best part of that video was when Neal got hit by a bottle, kept on playing, and Perry was going to kick someone's ass.

I always found that scene to be pretty tell-tale. You have Neal, a dude that just wants to play and nothing can stop him from getting on stage or staying on stage. Then you have Perry, a dude that probably would have walked off stage, fired the entire road crew and acted like a complete shitbag had it been him that got hit with that bottle. Beisdes, I'm quite sure that the bottle thrower would have beat Perry's scrawny ass from sea to shining sea. He's the greatest singer of all-time, but he's not imposing at all.

Cain would be the one to be worried about. Gentle soul he may be, but based on what we've seen of his physique, he'd kick the shit out of everyone who has ever graced that band vice Arnel.

[walkslikealady]

LOL...that NS incident kind of lead me to believe that SP liked NS at the time and felt protective of him. Also, that SP had a temper. Of course, I could be wrong.

I thought SP said "Faithfully" was his mother's favorite song.

[Saint John]

I thought SP said "Faithfully" was his mother's favorite song.

I believe he said it reminded him of his mother and that she really enjoyed it because she used to see the video on television all the time. And because of that it was his favorite song to sing live.

[walkslikealady]

Ok, SJ...that means it was 'cause of his mother that he liked the song "Faithfully".

[walkslikealady]

BTW, as far as personal tastes, I liked LTS better than Faithfully myself.

[Saint John]

Ok, SJ...that means it was 'cause of his mother that he liked the song "Faithfully".

Listen, lady, I don't give a fuck why it's his favorite song to sing live, but it is.

[walkslikealady]

Why the hate, SJ?

Unless you or I know SP and have discussed this, it's just speculation or opinion about whether it's his favorite now.Don't know when the interview you're referring to was done and I'm sure SP can change his opinion.

I've been known to change my opinion at times...from good to bad or from bad to good.

[Saint John]

Why the hate, SJ?

No hate, ma'am. Just frustration at your insistence to want to split cu nt hairs.

Unless you or I know SP and have discussed this, it's just speculation or opinion about whether it's his favorite now.

Then why fucking talk about anything that anyone has ever said beacuse, for all we know, they may have changed their mind in the last 12 fucking seconds. You were wrong and won't admit it, and now you're acting like a fucking snobby ass-bag.

Don't know when the interview you're referring to was done and I'm sure SP can change his opinion.

You're just a beacon of enlightenment.

I've been known to change my opinion at times...from good to bad or from bad to good.

Well goody, goody gumdrops for you. How 'bout changing your diet to include about a shovel-full of arsenic.

[walkslikealady]

WOW!

Related to creepyDeano and WIX, are you? Or a guy I call Fishy?

I have a feeling you'll never change my opinion about you now...it's a thumbs down!

[Gideon]

Even critics who detested the band credit a great deal of their launch to superstardom to Cain's lyrics and arrival; he completed the triumvirate, providing the writing to Neal's melodies and to Perry's voice. He's lightyears ahead of either Schon or Perry in the writing department, imho. It's not even close.

[walkslikealady]

For anyone reading the thread...did I say I didn't like the song "Faithfully"...love the sentiment that a guy can be faithful!

I just like the tempo of LTS.

[EightyRock]

Friga's time as chief candy-ass songster has been up for years, but that doesn't stop him. He still writes the cheesiest ballads on the planet, but he doesn't have Perry anymore to give them credibility.

You amuse me. Perry isn't half the writer Cain is.

That's your opinion. I happen to like Stone in Love, Lights , LTS and Whose Cryin' Now better than Faithfully. Perry was an architect during his Journey tenure in all the songs, except two, as far as I can recall. His strong suit wasn't lyrics, it was M E L O D Y. If you were old enough to have read any of Cain's gazillion interviews of their glory days, you'd realize that. His stories about about the writing of most of their hits and all those stories center around his partnership with Perry. Cain can sit around and write all the poetry he wants, but until he has someone to construct the melody so it will soar, then it is a snoozefest.

By the way....isn't it past your bedtime, Jr.?

[EightyRock]

Even critics who detested the band credit a great deal of their launch to superstardom to Cain's lyrics and arrival; he completed the triumvirate, providing the writing to Neal's melodies and to Perry's voice. He's lightyears ahead of either Schon or Perry in the writing department, imho. It's not even close.

Neal's melodies????? So you think all Perry did was sing, huh? Listen, Junior, you really need to brush up on your Journey trivia before you storm this place like you actually know something about the band.

[Gideon]

That's your opinion. I happen to like Stone in Love, Lights , LTS and Whose Cryin' Now better than Faithfully.

And that's your opinion. The majority of the world (including the crowds at the concerts) disagree. Suspiciously, you'll find Cain's name under "Stone In Love" and "Who's Cryin' Now" as well.

Perry was an architect during his Journey tenure in all the songs, except two, as far as I can recall.

An architect. The three of their biggest hits (OA, DSB, and "Faithfully" according to SJ) were all masterminded by Cain, not just Perry. In the definite case of "Faithfully" and "Open Arms", the songs wouldn't exist at all without Cain.

His strong suit wasn't lyrics, it was M E L O D Y.

Hell, FtLoSM suggests neither were his strong suits.

If you were old enough to have read any of Cain's gazillion interviews of their glory days, you'd realize that.

No one denies that Perry contributes. But he's not half the writer Cain is.

His stories about about the writing of most of their hits and all those stories center around his partnership with Perry.

You... do realize that a partnerships works both ways, right? But somehow, I doubt you've had the experience to understand a relationship with another person.

Cain can sit around and write all the poetry he wants, but until he has someone to construct the melody so it will soar, then it is a snoozefest.

As SJ pointed out, Perry had football stadiums worth of lyricists and co-writers to help him during FtLoSM and it was still a snoozefest.

By the way....isn't it past your bedtime, Jr.?

It's getting there.

[Gideon]

[Neal's melodies?????

Referring to Neal's melodic playing.

So you think all Perry did was sing, huh?

No, because unlike you, I read the names under the song titles in the album liners. Perry wrote, but as you said, "it wasn't his strong suit." Perry's identifying trait was his voice; Neal's was his melodic playing; Cain's was the writing.

Listen, Junior, you really need to brush up on your Journey trivia before you storm this place like you actually know something about the band.

I know a great deal about it. It's one of the benefits of not having my head up Steve Perry's ass.

Hey, maybe that is why his voice isn't as strong as it used to be. Your head is blocking the vocal cords.

[EightyRock]

Friga's time as chief candy-ass songster has been up for years, but that doesn't stop him. He still writes the cheesiest ballads on the planet, but he doesn't have Perry anymore to give them credibility.

Cain was the lone architect for Faithfully, a song that Perry admitted is his very favorite to sing, and he was the main architect behind Don't Stop Believin', the most downloaded song in history. Perry was riding Cain's coattails as far as songwriting goes. That is, basically, without dispute. Look at Perry's solo work. He has a laundry list of co-collaborators and the lyrics still suck ass.

Agreed, Cain wrote Faithfully himself and Perry liked it because his Mother liked it. Sooooooo?

Cain and Perry came up with lyrics to DSB in a shared hotel room, in the middle of the night, while watching people still hanging around outside under the streetlights.

As I told Junior/Gideon, Perry's songwriting had more to do with melody and less about words/lyrics. If I look at the melodies of his solo work, as you suggest, alot of it is stunning. Melody, What Was, Missing You, Foolish Heart, You Better Wait, I Stand Alone, etc.

Cain was sent to Nashville by JDK for major help writing Arrival. I think Cain and Perry were about even, as far as needing eachother to make Journey what it became in it's heyday. As good a collaboration as Friga and Perry were, Perry and Schon were better....and less ballad laden.

[Michigan Girl]

By the way....isn't it past your bedtime, Jr.?

It's getting there.

LOL.....
I'm seeing this a lot lately, Giddy!!!

[Saint John]

Cain and Perry came up with lyrics to DSB in a shared hotel room, in the middle of the night, while watching people still hanging around outside under the streetlights.

That is not correct. Jon Cain had a "skeleton" of that song for some time. Here the guys talk about it. It was obviously co-written, but it was also obviously Cain's "baby" and he told Perry what direction he wanted the lyrics to go in:



Jonathan Cain, the band’s keyboardist, found himself picking out a four-chord piano figure in the band’s Oakland, California, rehearsal hall. Perry liked what he heard and began improvising vocal melodies. Soon, guitarist Neal Schon joined in, working up a bass line and a churning little lead he wanted to sound “like a locomotive.” Before long, they had created the skeleton of a new song. “Like every great thing we ever wrote, it all came together in five minutes,” Schon recalls.

Cain had strong ideas about where the track needed to go. “I told Steve, ‘What you’re missing is you’re not relating to your fans. Let’s turn the mirror on them, write about their lives.’” Together, they came up with a narrative about two young lovers on a train trip, adding noirish images of smoke-filled nightclubs and shadowy streets — and a big, climactic chorus about holding fast to dreams. The result was an undeniable anthem with an unusual arrangement. It contains three verses and a pair of slow-boiling bridges (“Strangers waiting, up and down the boulevard”), but the actual chorus arrives in one soaring, emotional money-shot at the song’s end. “Don’t stop believin’/Hold on to that feelin’/Streetlight people,” Perry belts in his rippling, rock-operatic tenor.

Edit: I can't find the other article where Jon mentions that he already had decided on "Don't stop believin', hold on to that feeling" as the chorus. He is, undoubtedly, the main architect of DSB. This is, for all intents and purposes (to those with any logic), indisputable.

[EightyRock]

[quote="Gideon"]

You... do realize that a partnerships works both ways, right? But somehow, I doubt you've had the experience to understand a relationship with another person.

....and you, just a bit past puberty would be an expert on personal relationships, I'm sure. Let's just stick to Journey and leave the personal barbs out of it, shall we?

If SJ is the one feeding you all your Journey info, then I can see why you are so confused! To say OA wouldn't exist w/o Cain is dead wrong. OA wouldn't have existed if Perry hadn't insisted Cain pull the part he had written out of mothballs and they work on it, including write the lyrics. If Schon would have had his way, that song would not have been recorded. He made fun of Perry in the studio and that song would have not existed if Perry hadn't insisted they work on it, finish it and record it.......Einstein! Monet can start a painting, but if he hides it in the basement and doesn't finish it, he is lacking somewhere as an artist.

[Vladan]

You... do realize that a partnerships works both ways, right? But somehow, I doubt you've had the experience to understand a relationship with another person.

See that is not very nice Gideon, won't win you any favors with personal attacks mate, things like that will only piss Andrew off, probably get you banned again at some point.