This economy blows...thanks Bush..Thanks Barrack...

[stevew2]

most of the time, horses are animals that look strong and triumphant.

Something very wrong about a horse getting violated by an animal that can accomplish the act.

I Think its a donkey Frank,that makes it okay,a donkey is like a short retarded horse.Right now that giraff looks pretty triumpant i must say

SteveW I......... there are cool, Did you all get trashed and chased each other around the house last night? You and that drummer looking dude

Not trashed, but chased...yes..........where did you find that pic?

I got my ways,I found same really weird shit while searchin for that,which i didnt save.i got a retarded cat. Had him for 4 days, he hides the whole day,comes out @3 am, gets up in the bed for agout 3 mins, then hides for the remaining 23 hours and57 mins. i think he darted out the door this am, cant find him. i got three days to find him and give my fucking money back

Sounds too ferral to work out.......sorry. It can be done, but it takes a long time. I bet you can find a friendlier one later.

The cat the ole lady got was from a ferrel but was only 6 weeks old,this cat is 10 months.These people up the street have a male kitten that is 3 weeks old.If the retard ever comes back Im taking him back to the nut ward and get the kitten.I ,,of all people would have to get a retarded cat,i wonder if he was gay????

[hoagiepete]

Just a quick note to say I feel bad for everyone that is suffering job losses or changes.

However, economic cycles have occured forever. America has become the land of instant gratification and entitlement. If we can just be patient and endure some pain now, it will make us stronger in the long run. It may mean being underemployed for a while. CPA one day, bookkeeper the next. Might even have work construction. Might have to bag groceries. There is still plenty of work...may suck for a while, but we all need to do what it takes. Some will do this, others will sit around and ask the government for help. Just a difference in principles.

I have laid off 20% of my staff and expect to earn way less this year than last. It sucks losing a job, but it also sucks letting good people go. I don't think anyone is enjoying this. I just hope there is going to be someone to step to the front that actually has some brains and sends the country on the right course...for the long term...not just so people get a job asap...or to have money to maintain their lifestyle in the short term.

To blame this all on Bush is bush league. To blame it all on Obama is the same. There is plenty blame to go around. Pellosi scares the shit out of me and her agenda needs to stop. I love the repeated arguments on this board. Someone makes a point that Obama fucked up, the instant come back is..oh well, your President Bush did this or that (and vica versa). It's the immediate response. You did this... ...well you did that. Bunch of kids. Remind me of my 10 year old.

I think it improving. At least Obama has quit filling the airways with the statement we are in a "crisis" everytime he opened his mouth. He made his point that he inherited a tough situation. Hope he realized that was making the situation worse.

I don't blame anyone for being angry. I wish us all luck.

[Rick]

Just a quick note to say I feel bad for everyone that is suffering job losses or changes.

However, economic cycles have occured forever. America has become the land of instant gratification and entitlement. If we can just be patient and endure some pain now, it will make us stronger in the long run. It may mean being underemployed for a while. CPA one day, bookkeeper the next. Might even have work construction. Might have to bag groceries. There is still plenty of work...may suck for a while, but we all need to do what it takes. Some will do this, others will sit around and ask the government for help. Just a difference in principles.

I have laid off 20% of my staff and expect to earn way less this year than last. It sucks losing a job, but it also sucks letting good people go. I don't think anyone is enjoying this. I just hope there is going to be someone to step to the front that actually has some brains and sends the country on the right course...for the long term...not just so people get a job asap...or to have money to maintain their lifestyle in the short term.

To blame this all on Bush is bush league. To blame it all on Obama is the same. There is plenty blame to go around. Pellosi scares the shit out of me and her agenda needs to stop. I love the repeated arguments on this board. Someone makes a point that Obama fucked up, the instant come back is..oh well, your President Bush did this or that (and vica versa). It's the immediate response. You did this... ...well you did that. Bunch of kids. Remind me of my 10 year old.

I think it improving. At least Obama has quit filling the airways with the statement we are in a "crisis" everytime he opened his mouth. He made his point that he inherited a tough situation. Hope he realized that was making the situation worse.

I don't blame anyone for being angry. I wish us all luck.

Great post HP. Screw all of this, let's go to Vegas!

[strangegrey]

Just a quick note to say I feel bad for everyone that is suffering job losses or changes.

However, economic cycles have occured forever. America has become the land of instant gratification and entitlement. If we can just be patient and endure some pain now, it will make us stronger in the long run. It may mean being underemployed for a while. CPA one day, bookkeeper the next. Might even have work construction. Might have to bag groceries. There is still plenty of work...may suck for a while, but we all need to do what it takes. Some will do this, others will sit around and ask the government for help. Just a difference in principles.

I have laid off 20% of my staff and expect to earn way less this year than last. It sucks losing a job, but it also sucks letting good people go. I don't think anyone is enjoying this. I just hope there is going to be someone to step to the front that actually has some brains and sends the country on the right course...for the long term...not just so people get a job asap...or to have money to maintain their lifestyle in the short term.

To blame this all on Bush is bush league. To blame it all on Obama is the same. There is plenty blame to go around. Pellosi scares the shit out of me and her agenda needs to stop. I love the repeated arguments on this board. Someone makes a point that Obama fucked up, the instant come back is..oh well, your President Bush did this or that (and vica versa). It's the immediate response. You did this... ...well you did that. Bunch of kids. Remind me of my 10 year old.

I think it improving. At least Obama has quit filling the airways with the statement we are in a "crisis" everytime he opened his mouth. He made his point that he inherited a tough situation. Hope he realized that was making the situation worse.

I don't blame anyone for being angry. I wish us all luck.

This argument will continue on for at least another 3 years. However, I think it's run its course in this thread. I've tried to make very clear, I'm dreadfully angry at both presidents as I believe it's been within their power to have enacted actions/solutions (or not do things) that would have at the least tempered this perfect economic storm. I've been clear that both presidents stand shamefully irresponsible. In fact, you can rightfully spread the blame for our current economic climate at least 2 presidents before bush 43 and can hand select certain presidents pre bush 41 that have done damage that we are now feeling the effects of. Nixon (re: Bretton Woods) immediately comes to mind...

[hoagiepete]

Just a quick note to say I feel bad for everyone that is suffering job losses or changes.

However, economic cycles have occured forever. America has become the land of instant gratification and entitlement. If we can just be patient and endure some pain now, it will make us stronger in the long run. It may mean being underemployed for a while. CPA one day, bookkeeper the next. Might even have work construction. Might have to bag groceries. There is still plenty of work...may suck for a while, but we all need to do what it takes. Some will do this, others will sit around and ask the government for help. Just a difference in principles.

I have laid off 20% of my staff and expect to earn way less this year than last. It sucks losing a job, but it also sucks letting good people go. I don't think anyone is enjoying this. I just hope there is going to be someone to step to the front that actually has some brains and sends the country on the right course...for the long term...not just so people get a job asap...or to have money to maintain their lifestyle in the short term.

To blame this all on Bush is bush league. To blame it all on Obama is the same. There is plenty blame to go around. Pellosi scares the shit out of me and her agenda needs to stop. I love the repeated arguments on this board. Someone makes a point that Obama fucked up, the instant come back is..oh well, your President Bush did this or that (and vica versa). It's the immediate response. You did this... ...well you did that. Bunch of kids. Remind me of my 10 year old.

I think it improving. At least Obama has quit filling the airways with the statement we are in a "crisis" everytime he opened his mouth. He made his point that he inherited a tough situation. Hope he realized that was making the situation worse.

I don't blame anyone for being angry. I wish us all luck.

This argument will continue on for at least another 3 years. However, I think it's run its course in this thread. I've tried to make very clear, I'm dreadfully angry at both presidents as I believe it's been within their power to have enacted actions/solutions (or not do things) that would have at the least tempered this perfect economic storm. I've been clear that both presidents stand shamefully irresponsible. In fact, you can rightfully spread the blame for our current economic climate at least 2 presidents before bush 43 and can hand select certain presidents pre bush 41 that have done damage that we are now feeling the effects of. Nixon (re: Bretton Woods) immediately comes to mind...

Agree. Good luck and I think Rick nailed it. We all need a trip to Vegas. Drink, fellowship, and JOURNEY. Where the libs and the conservatives forget it all and have a good time.

[Rick]

Just a quick note to say I feel bad for everyone that is suffering job losses or changes.

However, economic cycles have occured forever. America has become the land of instant gratification and entitlement. If we can just be patient and endure some pain now, it will make us stronger in the long run. It may mean being underemployed for a while. CPA one day, bookkeeper the next. Might even have work construction. Might have to bag groceries. There is still plenty of work...may suck for a while, but we all need to do what it takes. Some will do this, others will sit around and ask the government for help. Just a difference in principles.

I have laid off 20% of my staff and expect to earn way less this year than last. It sucks losing a job, but it also sucks letting good people go. I don't think anyone is enjoying this. I just hope there is going to be someone to step to the front that actually has some brains and sends the country on the right course...for the long term...not just so people get a job asap...or to have money to maintain their lifestyle in the short term.

To blame this all on Bush is bush league. To blame it all on Obama is the same. There is plenty blame to go around. Pellosi scares the shit out of me and her agenda needs to stop. I love the repeated arguments on this board. Someone makes a point that Obama fucked up, the instant come back is..oh well, your President Bush did this or that (and vica versa). It's the immediate response. You did this... ...well you did that. Bunch of kids. Remind me of my 10 year old.

I think it improving. At least Obama has quit filling the airways with the statement we are in a "crisis" everytime he opened his mouth. He made his point that he inherited a tough situation. Hope he realized that was making the situation worse.

I don't blame anyone for being angry. I wish us all luck.

This argument will continue on for at least another 3 years. However, I think it's run its course in this thread. I've tried to make very clear, I'm dreadfully angry at both presidents as I believe it's been within their power to have enacted actions/solutions (or not do things) that would have at the least tempered this perfect economic storm. I've been clear that both presidents stand shamefully irresponsible. In fact, you can rightfully spread the blame for our current economic climate at least 2 presidents before bush 43 and can hand select certain presidents pre bush 41 that have done damage that we are now feeling the effects of. Nixon (re: Bretton Woods) immediately comes to mind...

Agree. Good luck and I think Rick nailed it. We all need a trip to Vegas. Drink, fellowship, and JOURNEY. Where the libs and the conservatives forget it all and have a good time.

Certainly so.

[Rocker Chic]

Congress are a bunch of idiots too. Those fucking losers grilling Liddy the other day over the AIG situation. Fuck all of them hard, strong, and with a jagged object. Totally grandstanding so they can show their constituents how they "fought for them". Fuck that. THEY voted for the goddamn thing and then THEY have the balls to grill a guy who wasn't part of that problem. Liddy comes in, takes $1 for a salary, is trying to get AIG in order to sell off piece-by-piece so the government can get it's money back and these sanctimonious cocksuckers are taking HIM to task??? He is a lot more gracious than I would have been. I would have pulled out a dollar bill, put it on the table, told them to shove the whole thing up their asses and get their money back themselves.

What I don't understand is that the government put Liddy in the CEO position, and I'm pretty sure that the government went over all they could with a fine-toothed comb (and knew about the contracts regarding the retainer bonuses that were in place), yet they chose to do nothing and went ahead with taking over 80% the company anyway. Had the government used their freakin' heads in September, they could have headed off this mess and either renegotiated the contracts or nullified them and this wouldn't have happened. Wanting to tax the recipients by 90% for these bonuses isn't what I'd expect a democratic and free government to do either. It is highway robbery and shows how truly screwed up everything is from the top down! Our government and financial system is simply acting on a completely reactive rather than proactive manner. All this just makes things graver than they should have been in the first place. Doom and gloom does not make the public any more confident about any stimulous bills or bailouts and their ability to repair our economy, much less give anyone incentive to pump any of their own hard-earned cash into the economy.

I really feel sorry for all of those AIU Holdings employees who have to walk through those doors every day the media has been conducting all of their reporting in front of. That building is not owned by the parent company AIG. It is solely owned by the insurance business... who never needed any bail out money... who never asked for any bailout money... who never accepted any bailout money... who is doing extremely well and has the capital to pay every claim they have and any future claims that could arise... who is consistently rated very highly by state insurance departments and clients, and who has been granted the permission to separate from the parent company by the government and AIG to become a separate entity. The media is doing those employees a huge disservice by placing them squarely in the crosshairs of every wacko that wants to punish someone for this mess. Gee, I wonder where the media are going to go, when the name on that building changes.

And, I'm truly sorry that you've had to experience a layoff, Frank. I hope that you find something soon, as I know how hard you've worked to get where you wanted to be. Best of luck to you.

[strangegrey]

What I don't understand is that the government put Liddy in the CEO position, and I'm pretty sure that the government went over all they could with a fine-toothed comb (and knew about the contracts regarding the retainer bonuses that were in place), yet they chose to do nothing and went ahead with taking over 80% the company anyway. Had the government used their freakin' heads in September......

This is an easy one to field.

If you read the bailout document that was signed by our current president (when he was a junior senator from the most corrupt state in the union), it *had* language in it specific to these bonuses.

What this is, is a case of political capital bought and paid for and utilized when it was most advantageous. Obama, Dodd, Frank, Pelosi and Reid (the dirtiest 5) have parlayed this into a way to enact a retroactive tax on bonuses.

If someone thinks that the tax on AIG bonuses is where this will stop, they're naive. This will morph into a retroactive tax on all bonuses, irrespective of tarp money being used on the paying company. Obama and his enablers are more than happy to come to action for all of this outrage over the bonuses. They planned for it.

The signed a document in October that spelled it out....feigned outrage last week, when someone in the enabling press wrote the story (with promises of white house splendor to be lavished at a date to be named later, no doubt)...and they are now utilizing the outrage of the public too dumb to know the difference....to ramrod this retroactive tax through congress (which will undoubtedly have earmarked proposals a mile long which further limit our economic freedoms)....


It was too much for me to watch last week. I'm probably one of the few people out there that read both drafts of the economic recovery act of 2008 from cover to cover....and these bonuses jumped off the page like a fucking cannon. Yet...now people are outraged.


I guess Rahm Emanuel wasn't lying. Never pass up a crissis you can take advantage of....


And Obama made it to office promising to end washington politics as usual. I guess some people are easily fooled....

[hoagiepete]

What I don't understand is that the government put Liddy in the CEO position, and I'm pretty sure that the government went over all they could with a fine-toothed comb (and knew about the contracts regarding the retainer bonuses that were in place), yet they chose to do nothing and went ahead with taking over 80% the company anyway. Had the government used their freakin' heads in September......

This is an easy one to field.

If you read the bailout document that was signed by our current president (when he was a junior senator from the most corrupt state in the union), it *had* language in it specific to these bonuses.

What this is, is a case of political capital bought and paid for and utilized when it was most advantageous. Obama, Dodd, Frank, Pelosi and Reid (the dirtiest 5) have parlayed this into a way to enact a retroactive tax on bonuses.

If someone thinks that the tax on AIG bonuses is where this will stop, they're naive. This will morph into a retroactive tax on all bonuses, irrespective of tarp money being used on the paying company. Obama and his enablers are more than happy to come to action for all of this outrage over the bonuses. They planned for it.

The signed a docuement in October that spelled it out....feigned outrage last week, when someone in the enabling press wrote the story (with promises of white house splendor to be lavished at a date to be named later, no doubt)...and they are now utilizing the outrage of the public to dumb to know the difference....to ramrod this retroactive tax through congress (which will undoubtedly have earmarked proposals a mile long which further limit our economic freedoms)....


It was too much for me to watch last week. I'm probably one of the few people out there that read both drafts of the economic recovery act of 2008 from cover to cover....and these bonuses jumped off the page like a fucking cannon. Yet...now people are outraged.


I guess Rahm Emanuel wasn't lying. Never pass up a crissis you can take advantage of....


And Obama made it to office promising to end washington politics as usual. I guess some people are easily fooled....

Ding, Ding, Ding we have a winner...GREAT POST!

Check this out....

President Barack Obama said he believes the global financial system remains at risk of implosion with the failure of Citigroup or AIG, touching off “an even more destructive recession and potentially depression.”

His remarks came in a “60 Minutes” interview in which he was pressed by an incredulous Steve Kroft for laughing and chuckling several times while discussing the perilous state of the world’s economy.

“You're sitting here. And you're— you are laughing. You are laughing about some of these problems. Are people going to look at this and say, "I mean, he's sitting there just making jokes about money—” How do you deal with— I mean: explain. . .” Kroft asks at one point.

“Are you punch drunk?” Kroft says.

“No, no. There's gotta be a little gallows humor to get you through the day,” Obama says, with a laugh

So much for him getting off "crisis." Just mentioned it twice in one sentence on 60 minutes.

[donnaplease]

I don't begin to claim that I understand all this economic crap (and I really don't try to), but I do understand how folks feel about losing a job. My hubby is in a similar boat. He works as a construction manager, and he just finished completion on a high school renovation/addition project and was getting ready to start on a public library. Well... guess what? Library has been put on hold. No job, unless he wants to travel to South Carolina for it. Fortunately, he is already primed for another position in a similar company so his period of unemployment shouldn't be too long. It's a scary time for us all, and those of us who have stable jobs (I'm a nurse, so for now I'm pretty okay) should feel grateful.

I know you're a bright, intelligent dude, Frank. I wish you luck. Keep your head up and things will turn around.

Now, my question for all you smart political guys (and gals): These so-called "shovel ready" jobs... They sound like construction-type jobs (reseeding the national lawn, etc). Knowing many people who work in the construction industry, I happen to know that these types of jobs are often held by, well, folks that don't speak the English language, and perhaps have come from south of the border to work here. I guess my question is... how do those jobs help the American people when many of them are jobs that (I believe it was GWB that said) 'none of the Americans want'...?

[Rick]

I don't begin to claim that I understand all this economic crap (and I really don't try to), but I do understand how folks feel about losing a job. My hubby is in a similar boat. He works as a construction manager, and he just finished completion on a high school renovation/addition project and was getting ready to start on a public library. Well... guess what? Library has been put on hold. No job, unless he wants to travel to South Carolina for it. Fortunately, he is already primed for another position in a similar company so his period of unemployment shouldn't be too long. It's a scary time for us all, and those of us who have stable jobs (I'm a nurse, so for now I'm pretty okay) should feel grateful.

I know you're a bright, intelligent dude, Frank. I wish you luck. Keep your head up and things will turn around.

Now, my question for all you smart political guys (and gals): These so-called "shovel ready" jobs... They sound like construction-type jobs (reseeding the national lawn, etc). Knowing many people who work in the construction industry, I happen to know that these types of jobs are often held by, well, folks that don't speak the English language, and perhaps have come from south of the border to work here. I guess my question is... how do those jobs help the American people when many of them are jobs that (I believe it was GWB that said) 'none of the Americans want'...?

They'll want them, if they get hungry enough.

I know that sounds like a fucked up "right wing" thing to say, but it's an ugly truth. And I fear that it's going to be a reality. Which is fine, in a way, because this country is so spoiled it isn't even funny. When people from other countries would die to have a job that we scoff at, that says something.

[Ehwmatt]

I don't begin to claim that I understand all this economic crap (and I really don't try to), but I do understand how folks feel about losing a job. My hubby is in a similar boat. He works as a construction manager, and he just finished completion on a high school renovation/addition project and was getting ready to start on a public library. Well... guess what? Library has been put on hold. No job, unless he wants to travel to South Carolina for it. Fortunately, he is already primed for another position in a similar company so his period of unemployment shouldn't be too long. It's a scary time for us all, and those of us who have stable jobs (I'm a nurse, so for now I'm pretty okay) should feel grateful.

I know you're a bright, intelligent dude, Frank. I wish you luck. Keep your head up and things will turn around.

Now, my question for all you smart political guys (and gals): These so-called "shovel ready" jobs... They sound like construction-type jobs (reseeding the national lawn, etc). Knowing many people who work in the construction industry, I happen to know that these types of jobs are often held by, well, folks that don't speak the English language, and perhaps have come from south of the border to work here. I guess my question is... how do those jobs help the American people when many of them are jobs that (I believe it was GWB that said) 'none of the Americans want'...?

They'll want them, if they get hungry enough.

I know that sounds like a fucked up "right wing" thing to say, but it's an ugly truth. And I fear that it's going to be a reality. Which is fine, in a way, because this country is so spoiled it isn't even funny. When people from other countries would die to have a job that we scoff at, that says something.

Why lower our standards Rick? I want us to be the best. I don't want to lower our country to the same expectations as others. That's the whole point of our entire value set, or at least to me it is. Exceptional, unique, prosperous, self-sustaining, the benchmark.

But yes, for the time being people will have to accept less. I just don't want that to be our fate for the next century or even decade.

[strangegrey]

I don't begin to claim that I understand all this economic crap (and I really don't try to), but I do understand how folks feel about losing a job. My hubby is in a similar boat. He works as a construction manager, and he just finished completion on a high school renovation/addition project and was getting ready to start on a public library. Well... guess what? Library has been put on hold. No job, unless he wants to travel to South Carolina for it. Fortunately, he is already primed for another position in a similar company so his period of unemployment shouldn't be too long. It's a scary time for us all, and those of us who have stable jobs (I'm a nurse, so for now I'm pretty okay) should feel grateful.

I know you're a bright, intelligent dude, Frank. I wish you luck. Keep your head up and things will turn around.

Now, my question for all you smart political guys (and gals): These so-called "shovel ready" jobs... They sound like construction-type jobs (reseeding the national lawn, etc). Knowing many people who work in the construction industry, I happen to know that these types of jobs are often held by, well, folks that don't speak the English language, and perhaps have come from south of the border to work here. I guess my question is... how do those jobs help the American people when many of them are jobs that (I believe it was GWB that said) 'none of the Americans want'...?

They'll want them, if they get hungry enough.

I know that sounds like a fucked up "right wing" thing to say, but it's an ugly truth. And I fear that it's going to be a reality. Which is fine, in a way, because this country is so spoiled it isn't even funny. When people from other countries would die to have a job that we scoff at, that says something.

This is an interesting philosophical question/point. I like to reitterate something judge smails said in caddyshack which rings true today:

"The world needs ditch diggers too"

These jobs aren't the jobs that should be 'reserved' for illegal aliens. They're american jobs that americans need to do. This country was built on the backs of hard work and labor of americans and LEGAL immigrants.

The fact of the matter is that not everyone is destined for college and not everyone SHOULD go to college. Obama's claim that everyone should be entitled to an education isn't the right idea. Because lowering standards for entry, payment of and graduation from college, so everyone has a degree will only water down the value of a degree for everyone. I worked damn hard for my 3 degrees. I don't want someone making it easier for someone to get them, so that my market value is deflated.

If anything, the right idea is to make it HARDER for people to get into and graduate from college...NOT easier. That will gaurantee the best and brightest people will get through. But that's not Obama's intention.

He wants everyone to be the same so everyone stands an equal chance of being in the poor house...and subsequently everyone needs government assistance.....not good.

[Ehwmatt]

I don't begin to claim that I understand all this economic crap (and I really don't try to), but I do understand how folks feel about losing a job. My hubby is in a similar boat. He works as a construction manager, and he just finished completion on a high school renovation/addition project and was getting ready to start on a public library. Well... guess what? Library has been put on hold. No job, unless he wants to travel to South Carolina for it. Fortunately, he is already primed for another position in a similar company so his period of unemployment shouldn't be too long. It's a scary time for us all, and those of us who have stable jobs (I'm a nurse, so for now I'm pretty okay) should feel grateful.

I know you're a bright, intelligent dude, Frank. I wish you luck. Keep your head up and things will turn around.

Now, my question for all you smart political guys (and gals): These so-called "shovel ready" jobs... They sound like construction-type jobs (reseeding the national lawn, etc). Knowing many people who work in the construction industry, I happen to know that these types of jobs are often held by, well, folks that don't speak the English language, and perhaps have come from south of the border to work here. I guess my question is... how do those jobs help the American people when many of them are jobs that (I believe it was GWB that said) 'none of the Americans want'...?

They'll want them, if they get hungry enough.

I know that sounds like a fucked up "right wing" thing to say, but it's an ugly truth. And I fear that it's going to be a reality. Which is fine, in a way, because this country is so spoiled it isn't even funny. When people from other countries would die to have a job that we scoff at, that says something.

This is an interesting philosophical question/point. I like to reitterate something judge smails said in caddyshack which rings true today:

"The world needs ditch diggers too"

These jobs aren't the jobs that should be 'reserved' for illegal aliens. They're american jobs that americans need to do. This country was built on the backs of hard work and labor of americans and LEGAL immigrants.

The fact of the matter is that not everyone is destined for college and not everyone SHOULD go to college. Obama's claim that everyone should be entitled to an education isn't the right idea. Because lowering standards for entry, payment of and graduation from college, so everyone has a degree will only water down the value of a degree for everyone. I worked damn hard for my 3 degrees. I don't want someone making it easier for someone to get them, so that my market value is deflated.

If anything, the right idea is to make it HARDER for people to get into and graduate from college...NOT easier. That will gaurantee the best and brightest people will get through. But that's not Obama's intention.

He wants everyone to be the same so everyone stands an equal chance of being in the poor house...and subsequently everyone needs government assistance.....not good.

Spot on. Devaluing the college degree even further is not something I'm interested in seeing. People who REALLY want to go to college will find a way. Others aren't cut out for it. Truthfully, all of the friends/acquaintances I grew up with that aren't in college aren't those who can't handle it financially, it's those who just couldn't cut it as a college student and either knew it beforehand or dropped out after a year or two.

But, something has to give with these tuition increases every year... there needs to at least be a guarantee that someone who enters college being able to afford it can still afford it 2 or 3 years later. Maybe some kind of tuition fee schedule locked in for each new entering class? I dunno. All I know is that as a freshman I had a half scholarship to my school. Now it's about a 30% scholarship. I've got friends with the same deal and it's hurt them tremendously. I'm fortunate enough to be able to weather it. But, that's unacceptable for people who are counting beans to make it through. That's not fair.

It's going to reach a point where hardly anybody can reasonably afford going to college unless they can pay for it all out-of-pocket and that's not really right. School debt is one of the most onerous burdens one can carry and I think it would help us greatly in so many areas, including health care, if we could figure out a way to keep education costs reasonable.

[yulog]

Phyllis no offense but no way in hell I'm gonna read your post above.

I made it though 2 sentences then took an Advil

[Saint John]

Phyllis no offense but no way in hell I'm gonna read your post above.

I made it though 2 sentences then took an Advil

Welcome back, fucker!!!!

[artist4perry]

Phyllis no offense but no way in hell I'm gonna read your post above.

I made it though 2 sentences then took an Advil

Your Av would creep my 20 year old daughter out........I might send it to her in an e-mail.........LOL!

[stevew2]

Barrack is to blame for the recent gains in Wall Street today,so eat that good shit for awile retards

[RossValoryRocks]

Barrack is to blame for the recent gains in Wall Street today,so eat that good shit for awile retards

I will believe it when it is more than 1 day...I would bet tomorrow a LARGE portion of today's gain in lost.

I think they are glad the government has SOME kind of plan, but one day does not a Presidency make.

[stevew2]

Barrack is to blame for the recent gains in Wall Street today,so eat that good shit for awile retards

I will believe it when it is more than 1 day...I would bet tomorrow a LARGE portion of today's gain in lost.

I think they are glad the government has SOME kind of plan, but one day does not a Presidency make.

he is trying something better than the idiot we had before,Bush should write a book on how to be a fuckin loser

[RossValoryRocks]

Barrack is to blame for the recent gains in Wall Street today,so eat that good shit for awile retards

I will believe it when it is more than 1 day...I would bet tomorrow a LARGE portion of today's gain in lost.

I think they are glad the government has SOME kind of plan, but one day does not a Presidency make.

he is trying something better than the idiot we had before,Bush should write a book on how to be a fuckin loser

God you are a fuckwad.

Bush is done, he is no longer the President. It's up to Obama now. It doesn't matter what went before, because we cannot change it. And now a bad plan could hurt worse than no plan at all.

As my liberal friends told me in 2001...leave the antipathy toward the former President at the door.

[stevew2]

Barrack is to blame for the recent gains in Wall Street today,so eat that good shit for awile retards

I will believe it when it is more than 1 day...I would bet tomorrow a LARGE portion of today's gain in lost.

I think they are glad the government has SOME kind of plan, but one day does not a Presidency make.

he is trying something better than the idiot we had before,Bush should write a book on how to be a fuckin loser

God you are a fuckwad.

Bush is done, he is no longer the President. It's up to Obama now. It doesn't matter what went before, because we cannot change it. And now a bad plan could hurt worse than no plan at all.

As my liberal friends told me in 2001...leave the antipathy toward the former President at the door.

You are a retard,the former retard is partlly to blame for the nightmare that we have now ,he had his head in Chaneys ass the whole time this shit went on. At least Obama is trying to do something,and not trying to be John fuckin Wayne while the country is falling apart

[RossValoryRocks]

Barrack is to blame for the recent gains in Wall Street today,so eat that good shit for awile retards

I will believe it when it is more than 1 day...I would bet tomorrow a LARGE portion of today's gain in lost.

I think they are glad the government has SOME kind of plan, but one day does not a Presidency make.

he is trying something better than the idiot we had before,Bush should write a book on how to be a fuckin loser

God you are a fuckwad.

Bush is done, he is no longer the President. It's up to Obama now. It doesn't matter what went before, because we cannot change it. And now a bad plan could hurt worse than no plan at all.

As my liberal friends told me in 2001...leave the antipathy toward the former President at the door.

You are a retard,the former retard is partlly to blame for the nightmare that we have now ,he had his head in Chaneys ass the whole time this shit went on. At least Obama is trying to do something,and not trying to be John fuckin Wayne while the country is falling apart

I guess that makes you a full blown idiot then.

Your ignorance is astounding...every President from Nixon up to and including Bush had a hand in getting us where we are now economically. Go study some history and see where the seeds were planted to start all this. It started in '77 and progessed from there.

And us the general public is as much to blame as anyone else. The public has racked up TREMENDOUS debt obligations that are killing us economically. It has been the woeful ignorance of sound personal fiscal policy that has led us here as much, if not more, as the governments lack of foresight. WE are to blame.

Blaming this mess on any one man not only shows you are ignorant and uneducated but willfully so.

I am much more concerned with what is going on in the here and now than I am in assigning blame. If this rally holds up then I will happily give Obama the credit, but based on experience it won't hold up.

[stevew2]

Barrack is to blame for the recent gains in Wall Street today,so eat that good shit for awile retards

I will believe it when it is more than 1 day...I would bet tomorrow a LARGE portion of today's gain in lost.

I think they are glad the government has SOME kind of plan, but one day does not a Presidency make.

he is trying something better than the idiot we had before,Bush should write a book on how to be a fuckin loser

God you are a fuckwad.

Bush is done, he is no longer the President. It's up to Obama now. It doesn't matter what went before, because we cannot change it. And now a bad plan could hurt worse than no plan at all.

As my liberal friends told me in 2001...leave the antipathy toward the former President at the door.

You are a retard,the former retard is partlly to blame for the nightmare that we have now ,he had his head in Chaneys ass the whole time this shit went on. At least Obama is trying to do something,and not trying to be John fuckin Wayne while the country is falling apart

I guess that makes you a full blown idiot then.

Your ignorance is astounding...every President from Nixon up to and including Bush had a hand in getting us where we are now economically. Go study some history and see where the seeds were planted to start all this. It started in '77 and progessed from there.

And us the general public is as much to blame as anyone else. The public has racked up TREMENDOUS debt obligations that are killing us economically. It has been the woeful ignorance of sound personal fiscal policy that has led us here as much, if not more, as the governments lack of foresight. WE are to blame.

Blaming this mess on any one man not only shows you are ignorant and uneducated but willfully so.

I am much more concerned with what is going on in the here and now than I am in assigning blame. If this rally holds up then I will happily give Obama the credit, but based on experience it won't hold up.

Well think about it when you buy your $4.59 latte from fuckin starbucks tom, am,Im sleepin in ,and will enjoy my 401 k going up in value

[RossValoryRocks]

Barrack is to blame for the recent gains in Wall Street today,so eat that good shit for awile retards

I will believe it when it is more than 1 day...I would bet tomorrow a LARGE portion of today's gain in lost.

I think they are glad the government has SOME kind of plan, but one day does not a Presidency make.

he is trying something better than the idiot we had before,Bush should write a book on how to be a fuckin loser

God you are a fuckwad.

Bush is done, he is no longer the President. It's up to Obama now. It doesn't matter what went before, because we cannot change it. And now a bad plan could hurt worse than no plan at all.

As my liberal friends told me in 2001...leave the antipathy toward the former President at the door.

You are a retard,the former retard is partlly to blame for the nightmare that we have now ,he had his head in Chaneys ass the whole time this shit went on. At least Obama is trying to do something,and not trying to be John fuckin Wayne while the country is falling apart

I guess that makes you a full blown idiot then.

Your ignorance is astounding...every President from Nixon up to and including Bush had a hand in getting us where we are now economically. Go study some history and see where the seeds were planted to start all this. It started in '77 and progessed from there.

And us the general public is as much to blame as anyone else. The public has racked up TREMENDOUS debt obligations that are killing us economically. It has been the woeful ignorance of sound personal fiscal policy that has led us here as much, if not more, as the governments lack of foresight. WE are to blame.

Blaming this mess on any one man not only shows you are ignorant and uneducated but willfully so.

I am much more concerned with what is going on in the here and now than I am in assigning blame. If this rally holds up then I will happily give Obama the credit, but based on experience it won't hold up.

Well think about it when you buy your $4.59 latte from fuckin starbucks tom, am,Im sleepin in ,and will enjoy my 401 k going up in value

I don't waste my money drinking $4.59 lattes thanks.

I get free coffee at work.

I save it for the future.

[stevew2]

Barrack is to blame for the recent gains in Wall Street today,so eat that good shit for awile retards

I will believe it when it is more than 1 day...I would bet tomorrow a LARGE portion of today's gain in lost.

I think they are glad the government has SOME kind of plan, but one day does not a Presidency make.

he is trying something better than the idiot we had before,Bush should write a book on how to be a fuckin loser

God you are a fuckwad.

Bush is done, he is no longer the President. It's up to Obama now. It doesn't matter what went before, because we cannot change it. And now a bad plan could hurt worse than no plan at all.

As my liberal friends told me in 2001...leave the antipathy toward the former President at the door.

You are a retard,the former retard is partlly to blame for the nightmare that we have now ,he had his head in Chaneys ass the whole time this shit went on. At least Obama is trying to do something,and not trying to be John fuckin Wayne while the country is falling apart

I guess that makes you a full blown idiot then.

Your ignorance is astounding...every President from Nixon up to and including Bush had a hand in getting us where we are now economically. Go study some history and see where the seeds were planted to start all this. It started in '77 and progessed from there.

And us the general public is as much to blame as anyone else. The public has racked up TREMENDOUS debt obligations that are killing us economically. It has been the woeful ignorance of sound personal fiscal policy that has led us here as much, if not more, as the governments lack of foresight. WE are to blame.

Blaming this mess on any one man not only shows you are ignorant and uneducated but willfully so.

I am much more concerned with what is going on in the here and now than I am in assigning blame. If this rally holds up then I will happily give Obama the credit, but based on experience it won't hold up.

Well think about it when you buy your $4.59 latte from fuckin starbucks tom, am,Im sleepin in ,and will enjoy my 401 k going up in value

I don't waste my money drinking $4.59 lattes thanks.

I get free coffee at work.

I save it for the future.

Well thats is smart,i felt bad going there today just for a regular coffe for $1.75.it wasnt even hot, WaWa was better,im just fuckin with ya anyway