Tuning Down {its about time}

[Jana]

So what's the verdict on TDTWT? It was being pushed by all of us to be the next single. Now that it made an appearance at the Manila show, is that it? What's the story, did they sing it in Hawaii at all?

Nope. I would like to see them work on it and try it again. I still think it was the background vocals, and if there was more wrong with the performance, I haven't figured it out yet, what was missing. I think it would be a good single.

[Don]

So what's the verdict on TDTWT? It was being pushed by all of us to be the next single. Now that it made an appearance at the Manila show, is that it? What's the story, did they sing it in Hawaii at all?

...I dunno, it's gay ass ballad isn't it

I think it's a great song.

It sounded like shit at the Manila show though, going by the youtube clip. Maybe it can't be done justice when performed live?

[Rick]

So what's the verdict on TDTWT? It was being pushed by all of us to be the next single. Now that it made an appearance at the Manila show, is that it? What's the story, did they sing it in Hawaii at all?

...I dunno, it's gay ass ballad isn't it

I think it's a great song.

It sounded like shit at the Manila show though, going by the youtube clip. Maybe it can't be done justice when performed live?

That may be the case on that one. Tough backing vox to sing on that one.

[Gideon]

It sounded like shit? Gunbot, tell Liam to get off your fucking account. It sounded great, though the backing vocals were a little out of sync.

[Rick]

It sounded like shit? Gunbot, tell Liam to get off your fucking account. It sounded great, though the backing vocals were a little out of sync.

That's the only part that sounded off to me.

[Jana]

So what's the verdict on TDTWT? It was being pushed by all of us to be the next single. Now that it made an appearance at the Manila show, is that it? What's the story, did they sing it in Hawaii at all?

...I dunno, it's gay ass ballad isn't it

I think it's a great song.

It sounded like shit at the Manila show though, going by the youtube clip. Maybe it can't be done justice when performed live?

I didn't think it sounded like shit. The background vocals really bothered me the first half. It wasn't great, though. Strangely enough, off the Manila videos, I loved After All These Years. I thought it was his best performance of AATY.

[Gideon]

So what's the verdict on TDTWT? It was being pushed by all of us to be the next single. Now that it made an appearance at the Manila show, is that it? What's the story, did they sing it in Hawaii at all?

...I dunno, it's gay ass ballad isn't it

I think it's a great song.

It sounded like shit at the Manila show though, going by the youtube clip. Maybe it can't be done justice when performed live?

I didn't think it sounded like shit. The background vocals really bothered me the first half. It wasn't great, though. Strangely enough, off the Manila videos, I loved After All These Years. I thought it was his best performance of AATY.

The best part of that song (AAtY) is Neal's solo. It is easily one of my favorites.

[Don]

So what's the verdict on TDTWT? It was being pushed by all of us to be the next single. Now that it made an appearance at the Manila show, is that it? What's the story, did they sing it in Hawaii at all?

...I dunno, it's gay ass ballad isn't it

I think it's a great song.

It sounded like shit at the Manila show though, going by the youtube clip. Maybe it can't be done justice when performed live?

I didn't think it sounded like shit. The background vocals really bothered me the first half. It wasn't great, though. Strangely enough, off the Manila videos, I loved After All These Years. I thought it was his best performance of AATY.

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

I'm talking about the whole song, not Arnel's vocals or one individual piece, the total package. It did not sound good to me.

I'm not talking about the song itself but the live performance. The studio version is second only to NWA as the saving grace for the entire album IMO.

[Gideon]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

[mdaemon]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

three letters....

P-M-S

[Don]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

I just call them as I see them. I'm cool with Jana (I think).

[skinsguy]

Honest question: And this isn't to start anything other than a simple debate for conversation sake:

Cain said before that he wanted the "legacy Sound". He said he wanted the band to sound like their records. Wouldn't tuning songs, even 1/2 step off, not sound like the records?

I mean, don't get me wrong, if they can make it work, fine. I know Perry sang Journey songs on his last solo effort in a lower tone, and I thought it sounded pretty good. But then again, we're talking about Steve Perry. But, I just think it's the principle of the matter, that Jon Cain did say in an interview (I can't remember which one, but I know I heard it) that he wanted the band to sound like they do on the records when they go out and perform....in so many words of course. What I'm still perplexed on is why they are also down tuning the Revelation songs?

[Gideon]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

I just call them as I see them. I'm cool with Jana (I think).

Prior to your comment, lol. You might not be now.

[Don]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

three letters....

P-M-S

P-M-S

Pinoy music s... I can't figure out the last word, a little help please.

[Jana]

Honest question: And this isn't to start anything other than a simple debate for conversation sake:

Cain said before that he wanted the "legacy Sound". He said he wanted the band to sound like their records. Wouldn't tuning songs, even 1/2 step off, not sound like the records?

I mean, don't get me wrong, if they can make it work, fine. I know Perry sang Journey songs on his last solo effort in a lower tone, and I thought it sounded pretty good. But then again, we're talking about Steve Perry. But, I just think it's the principle of the matter, that Jon Cain did say in an interview (I can't remember which one, but I know I heard it) that he wanted the band to sound like they do on the records when they go out and perform....in so many words of course. What I'm still perplexed on is why they are also down tuning the Revelation songs?

Re turning down the song a half step, ask Maui Tom how it sounded compared to the records. He was at the concert there. Maybe he will pop in here and answer.

[Ehwmatt]

has anyone else noticed that neal has way more than normal " mess ups" and they seem to be him playing the licks just a half step off
examples : never walk away http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccR3fomAbhg
what i needed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rwYrDVHIY4

anyways who thinks this is because they are playing half step down and his mind is thinking one pitch but it should be playing the other

I'll have to watch the videos, but why would that screw him up if they're tuning the guitars down? Then he can play the shit on the same frets...

I doubt Neal would just transpose everything on the fly when he can just tune down

[Gideon]

Honest question: And this isn't to start anything other than a simple debate for conversation sake:

Cain said before that he wanted the "legacy Sound". He said he wanted the band to sound like their records. Wouldn't tuning songs, even 1/2 step off, not sound like the records?

I mean, don't get me wrong, if they can make it work, fine. I know Perry sang Journey songs on his last solo effort in a lower tone, and I thought it sounded pretty good. But then again, we're talking about Steve Perry. But, I just think it's the principle of the matter, that Jon Cain did say in an interview (I can't remember which one, but I know I heard it) that he wanted the band to sound like they do on the records when they go out and perform....in so many words of course. What I'm still perplexed on is why they are also down tuning the Revelation songs?

I'll tender an answer, but of course, it may not be the case. But this is how I see it: I think they [Journey] are paranoid. As I have mentioned time and time again, I truly believe that they recognize that Arnel Pineda is their last shot for credibility. They hired a singer after the great Steve Perry, worked with him for eight years, and then dropped him for another replacement when they perceived greater success with him. Apparently he didn't deliver on the goods and so they dumped him for Arnel. You have a band whose history is tied up with tremendous and frequent personnel changes. Steve Perry is their most identifiable member and Arnel, moreso than Augeri or Soto, has yielded considerable success and acclaim for his talent. If they lose Arnel, they're done. For good.

And so I think they're taking all the necessary precautions they can think of to ensure that his voice lasts.

[mdaemon]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

three letters....

P-M-S

P-M-S

Pinoy music s... I can't figure out the last word, a little help please.

Premenstrual Syndrome. I know it happens only to female but since you hang out often on Arnel's site, you became a pseudo-female.

[Jana]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

I just call them as I see them. I'm cool with Jana (I think).

Prior to your comment, lol. You might not be now.

I'm used to it.

[Gideon]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

I just call them as I see them. I'm cool with Jana (I think).

Prior to your comment, lol. You might not be now.

I'm used to it.

Well, Jana, you're all right in my book. And for every lashing you get, I'll take three more out of every Loon with the "who cracked the stone first" argument.

[Don]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

three letters....

P-M-S

P-M-S

Pinoy music s... I can't figure out the last word, a little help please.

Premenstrual Syndrome. I know it happens only to female but since you hang out often on Arnel's site, you became a pseudo-female.

I thought it was from all the steroids I was taking.

[Rip Rokken]

So what's the verdict on TDTWT? ... Maybe it can't be done justice when performed live?

It sounded awesome live, and that was actually the best concert I've seen from the band in the past year. Really a killer show.

[Don]

So what's the verdict on TDTWT? ... Maybe it can't be done justice when performed live?

It sounded awesome live, and that was actually the best concert I've seen from the band in the past year. Really a killer show.

That one song didn't sound too hot on our end, have you checked out the clips? The backround vocals are screwy, and I'm not talking about the fan singing along either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqghI2PT1dY

[Gideon]

So what's the verdict on TDTWT? ... Maybe it can't be done justice when performed live?

It sounded awesome live, and that was actually the best concert I've seen from the band in the past year. Really a killer show.

That one song didn't sound too hot on our end, have you checked out the clips? The backround vocals are screwy, and I'm not talking about the fan singing along either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqghI2PT1dY

I loved the folks singing along. It was "omg 2 cute!!1!!!!"

[Jana]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

I just call them as I see them. I'm cool with Jana (I think).

Prior to your comment, lol. You might not be now.

I'm used to it.

Well, Jana, you're all right in my book. And for every lashing you get, I'll take three more out of every Loon with the "who cracked the stone first" argument.

Finally, I get some respect.

I tend to go mostly towards the light. Gunbot doesn't get it. He lives on the dark side.

[Don]

So what's the verdict on TDTWT? ... Maybe it can't be done justice when performed live?

It sounded awesome live, and that was actually the best concert I've seen from the band in the past year. Really a killer show.

That one song didn't sound too hot on our end, have you checked out the clips? The backround vocals are screwy, and I'm not talking about the fan singing along either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqghI2PT1dY

I loved the folks singing along. It was "omg 2 cute!!1!!!!"

Dude.

[Gideon]

So what's the verdict on TDTWT? ... Maybe it can't be done justice when performed live?

It sounded awesome live, and that was actually the best concert I've seen from the band in the past year. Really a killer show.

That one song didn't sound too hot on our end, have you checked out the clips? The backround vocals are screwy, and I'm not talking about the fan singing along either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqghI2PT1dY

I loved the folks singing along. It was "omg 2 cute!!1!!!!"

Dude.

Sorry.

[mdaemon]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

three letters....

P-M-S

P-M-S

Pinoy music s... I can't figure out the last word, a little help please.

Premenstrual Syndrome. I know it happens only to female but since you hang out often on Arnel's site, you became a pseudo-female.

I thought it was from all the steroids I was taking.

...you don't need roids to grow tits

[Don]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

three letters....

P-M-S

P-M-S

Pinoy music s... I can't figure out the last word, a little help please.

Premenstrual Syndrome. I know it happens only to female but since you hang out often on Arnel's site, you became a pseudo-female.

I thought it was from all the steroids I was taking.

...you don't need roids to grow tits

I was talking about my nuts shrinking.

[Gideon]

Of course you didn't think it did, just keep moving along please, nothing for you to see here.

Between this and the Pinoy Power thing, Gunbot, I've gotta ask: "what the hell is up?" Or were you just kidding?

three letters....

P-M-S

P-M-S

Pinoy music s... I can't figure out the last word, a little help please.

Premenstrual Syndrome. I know it happens only to female but since you hang out often on Arnel's site, you became a pseudo-female.

I thought it was from all the steroids I was taking.

...you don't need roids to grow tits

I was talking about my nuts shrinking.

Funny. You'd think once they got to that point, they couldn't get any smaller.