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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:45 am

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madsplash wrote:Like Colin Cowherd said. As great as he is, do you think if Tom Brady had been drafted by the Detroit Lions, he would be the same Tom Brady? No, he'd be more like Greg Brady.


LOL, you listen to the Herd in the mornings? I call in almost every day! LOL, he is on TV too, on some 200 number on TWC. If I am not on hold for Colin, I am trying to get into the Jungle on Rome's show.


I listen to Rome everyday, too. I've probably heard you call in and didn't even realize it was you. Do you use the name Dean or what?

I'll keep listening for you. I love all those shows. I listen to Mike and Mike, then Colin, Rome, Torico and Van Pelt, then I love watching PTI at 5:30pm. I'm a sports aholic.


I was in the Smack Off for three years. Flamed once and was pretty good the other two times. I ejected my first few times on the show. I was hyperventilating, because I was so nervous. hell, you are talking to what, 10 million people?

Dude, you need to listen to PMS on 570 AM. Petro Papadakas, the ex USC full back is hilarious. Goes by the name P. Talks about sports, music, and tits. He screams all show. I love that guy.

I cannot stand the Cannons with Mychal Thompson, Hartman and that baboon Vick the Brick.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:45 am

I also watch Around the Horn and Jim Rome is Burning daily.
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Postby Jubilee » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:50 am

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madsplash wrote:Like Colin Cowherd said. As great as he is, do you think if Tom Brady had been drafted by the Detroit Lions, he would be the same Tom Brady? No, he'd be more like Greg Brady.


LOL, you listen to the Herd in the mornings? I call in almost every day! LOL, he is on TV too, on some 200 number on TWC. If I am not on hold for Colin, I am trying to get into the Jungle on Rome's show.


I listen to Rome everyday, too. I've probably heard you call in and didn't even realize it was you. Do you use the name Dean or what?

I'll keep listening for you. I love all those shows. I listen to Mike and Mike, then Colin, Rome, Torico and Van Pelt, then I love watching PTI at 5:30pm. I'm a sports aholic.


I was in the Smack Off for three years. Flamed once and was pretty good the other two times. I ejected my first few times on the show. I was hyperventilating, because I was so nervous. hell, you are talking to what, 10 million people?

Dude, you need to listen to PMS on 570 AM. Petro Papadakas, the ex USC full back is hilarious. Goes by the name P. Talks about sports, music, and tits. He screams all show. I love that guy.

I cannot stand the Cannons with Mychal Thompson, Hartman and that baboon Vick the Brick.


:evil: :oops:

I love PMS and the Loose Cannons (when they were on). I listen to 570 via the internet daily. I LOVE Vic the Brick ("Feelin' YOU!"). Ha! Love it!
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:52 am

Jubilee wrote:I love PMS and the Loose Cannons (when they were on). I listen to 570 via the internet daily. I LOVE Vic the Brick ("Feelin' YOU!"). Ha! Love it!


All they ever talk about is Kobe, Phil and the Lakers. Puke.
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Postby Jubilee » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:55 am

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Jubilee wrote:I love PMS and the Loose Cannons (when they were on). I listen to 570 via the internet daily. I LOVE Vic the Brick ("Feelin' YOU!"). Ha! Love it!


All they ever talk about is Kobe, Phil and the Lakers. Puke.


Well, it is/was an LA station. Go figure. I guess the show in now on nationally so they're trying to branch out, but old habits ya know.

Petros & Matt Money Smith are hillarious.
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Postby madsplash » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:00 am

Rockindeano wrote:I also watch Around the Horn and Jim Rome is Burning daily.


Me too. I forgot about Around the Horn. Love when Woody and Mariotti get into it. Reali is cool too. Although I also really liked the show when it first came on with Max Kellerman was the host. I love boxing and Max is one of the best boxing guys in recent years.

I'm not home in time to watch Rome is Burning very often, but love Rome's radio show.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:28 am

I even watch First and ten with host Jay and Woodie and Skip Bayless.

Good bantering.
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Postby RedWingFan » Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:30 am

Rockindeano wrote:I even watch First and ten with host Jay and Woodie and Skip Bayless.

Good bantering.

I like Rob Parker. Can't believe he got fired for asking Rod Marinelli if he "wished his daughter had married a better defensive co-ordinator" :lol: Hilarious!!! :lol:
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Postby madsplash » Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:36 am

Rockindeano wrote:I even watch First and ten with host Jay and Woodie and Skip Bayless.

Good bantering.


Yes, Skip as really opinionated. I like when people are that way. Even if I don't always agree, have an opinion and stand behind it, ya know?

Did you see Woody host ATH earlier this week? Great.

Who is your least favorite panelist on ATH? I don't care much for JA Adande. Kinda wimpy, home-boy crap, I don't like. And fuck the Adande lounge, too! :lol:
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Postby mikemarrs » Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:33 am

forget detroit but this year the NFC north will be very competitive and its anyones division between chicago,minnesota and green bay.those aaron rodgers/jay cutler quarterback duels will make those packers/bears games very entertaining.who wins the north this year?
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:50 am

You guys are comparing Cutler to Tony fucking Romo? Did you guys SEE the talent Romo had to work with all those years? Romo had some what of a decent Defense the last couple of years, compared to what was given to Cutler, and he's made it to the playoffs TWICE and choked in each one of those games, single handily. It is NOT a fair assessment to compare a guy like Romo and Cutler, imfuckingpossible.

While Jay Cutler was throwing to only one receiving threat in Brandon Marshall, virtually without 0 running game, or tight end to bail him out, let alone had a HORRID defense play opposite from him....

Tony Romo was throwing to guys like Terrell Owens, AND Roy Williams!! Let alone one of the best receiving tight ends in the game in Jason Witten, and a helluva running back core behind him in Marion Barber, and Felix Jones. Give Cutler that talent and he wins 1 fucking playoff game.

Yes, Cutler never made it to the playoffs, but he certainly didn't have the team around him to help the young kid out. Romo is sitting there playing with All-pro's and I've watched him single handily lose games because of his poor-ass play. This is NOT the same case with Jay Cutler.

Romo sucks donkey nuts and will NEVER win anything. Cutler will.

Lets get one thing straight. Jay Cutler isn't going to turn the Bears into a juggernaut machine in 1 night. They have issues just like any other team has at this moment. Their defense is too inconsistent, and they must build around Cutler on the outsides, as well as the backfield. Minnesota and Green Bay have much better talent than the Bears do, and I see all teams in the North making a run for a division title. The draft is coming up, and this is a time for Chicago to get it right and build around a franchise QB like Cutler. We'll see how this shakes up the Norris.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:19 am

Interesting...

In the end, Denver did not want Jason Campbell. And that's why Jay Cutler is headed to Chicago. According to a source involved in the discussions, the Redskins were closing in on a three-way deal Thursday afternoon that involved Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn going to Denver. The source said he was told that the deal was likely to happen soon. The Examiner reported that a deal was close. Indeed, a CBS affiliate in Denver also reported that Jay Cutler had told them he was told by his agent that he was going to Washington. ESPN also reported that the Redskins were at the top of the list and a deal could happen at any time. However, the deal involving the Browns unraveled, prompting Chicago to jump back in and offer a less-complicated deal, knowing the Broncos liked Bears quarterback Kyle Orton. The source said Denver's preference of quarterbacks was Quinn and then Orton. They were not high on Campbell. So, rather than do a three-way deal with Washington and another team, the Bears, according to an NFL source, called to offer Orton, two first-round draft picks, and a third-round pick in exchange for Cutler and a fifth-round pick.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumo ... es?cnn=yes
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:29 am

NealIsGod wrote:Interesting...

In the end, Denver did not want Jason Campbell. And that's why Jay Cutler is headed to Chicago. According to a source involved in the discussions, the Redskins were closing in on a three-way deal Thursday afternoon that involved Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn going to Denver. The source said he was told that the deal was likely to happen soon. The Examiner reported that a deal was close. Indeed, a CBS affiliate in Denver also reported that Jay Cutler had told them he was told by his agent that he was going to Washington. ESPN also reported that the Redskins were at the top of the list and a deal could happen at any time. However, the deal involving the Browns unraveled, prompting Chicago to jump back in and offer a less-complicated deal, knowing the Broncos liked Bears quarterback Kyle Orton. The source said Denver's preference of quarterbacks was Quinn and then Orton. They were not high on Campbell. So, rather than do a three-way deal with Washington and another team, the Bears, according to an NFL source, called to offer Orton, two first-round draft picks, and a third-round pick in exchange for Cutler and a fifth-round pick.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumo ... es?cnn=yes


Sounds to me, Denver didn't want Brady Quinn. Campbell, Quinn or Orton- there's a buffet choice for ya. Shit, Puke and Jizz...take your pick.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:35 am

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NealIsGod wrote:Interesting...

In the end, Denver did not want Jason Campbell. And that's why Jay Cutler is headed to Chicago. According to a source involved in the discussions, the Redskins were closing in on a three-way deal Thursday afternoon that involved Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn going to Denver. The source said he was told that the deal was likely to happen soon. The Examiner reported that a deal was close. Indeed, a CBS affiliate in Denver also reported that Jay Cutler had told them he was told by his agent that he was going to Washington. ESPN also reported that the Redskins were at the top of the list and a deal could happen at any time. However, the deal involving the Browns unraveled, prompting Chicago to jump back in and offer a less-complicated deal, knowing the Broncos liked Bears quarterback Kyle Orton. The source said Denver's preference of quarterbacks was Quinn and then Orton. They were not high on Campbell. So, rather than do a three-way deal with Washington and another team, the Bears, according to an NFL source, called to offer Orton, two first-round draft picks, and a third-round pick in exchange for Cutler and a fifth-round pick.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumo ... es?cnn=yes


Sounds to me, Denver didn't want Brady Quinn. Campbell, Quinn or Orton- there's a buffet choice for ya. Shit, Puke and Jizz...take your pick.


Yeah, maybe it's supposed to read the the Browns didn't want Campbell, not the Broncos. Which would explain why they backed out.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:39 am

If I were Denver, I would take Campbell asap, as they are without a legit starting QB. Actually, they still are. Orton is a career back up. Cutler fucked Denver, who fucked Shannahan. I believe it was Quinn who was the deal breaker, not Campbell.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:41 am

Rockindeano wrote:If I were Denver, I would take Campbell asap, as they are without a legit starting QB. Actually, they still are. Orton is a career back up. Cutler fucked Denver, who fucked Shannahan. I believe it was Quinn who was the deal breaker, not Campbell.


That's what you get when you involve a shitty franchise like the Browns in a trade.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:43 am

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Rockindeano wrote:If I were Denver, I would take Campbell asap, as they are without a legit starting QB. Actually, they still are. Orton is a career back up. Cutler fucked Denver, who fucked Shannahan. I believe it was Quinn who was the deal breaker, not Campbell.


That's what you get when you involve a shitty franchise like the Browns in a trade.


Browns? Oh that's their name? I always thought they were named the Clowns.

Seriously though, they have great great fans there. Cold lake effect snow, miserable teams, etc etc. Just a God awful place period. An American shithole, right up there with Detroit and Oakland. Third world cities which I hope to never fucking see again in my lifetime.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:04 am

There's already controversy in Chicago...


Newly-acquired Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler is known for holding a grudge, and he still seems to be holding one against Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner stemming from an old recruiting dispute, according to Brad Biggs of the Chicago Sun-Times.

Citing people close to Cutler and a Denver Post column, some fences may need to be mended between Cutler and Turner now that they’re going to work together.

As a high school senior in southern Indiana, Cutler accepted a scholarship to Illinois where Turner was the head coach at the time. Cutler committed without visiting campus, though, and when he arrived for an official visit Turner reportedly pulled the offer.

“When Jay went for his official visit, the coach told him they were rescinding the offer because they had some hot-shot quarterback from California,” Heritage Hills athletic director Jay Burch told Denver Post columnist Woody Paige.

Illinois wound up signing Mike Dlugolecki, who wound up transferring to San Diego State. And Cutler had turned down offers from Purdue, Duke and Maryland to go to Illinois before winding up at Vanderbilt.

“It’s not right,” Jake Cutler, Cutler’s father, told ESPN.com. “I still have a bitter taste in my mouth.”

In the past, Turner has denied that Illinois rescinded the scholarship offer because Cutler was never made an offer.

Obviously, they’ll need to rehearse their lines a bit before the press conference today.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:05 am

Rockindeano wrote:If I were Denver, I would take Campbell asap, as they are without a legit starting QB. Actually, they still are. Orton is a career back up. Cutler fucked Denver, who fucked Shannahan. I believe it was Quinn who was the deal breaker, not Campbell.


I wouldn't say Cutler fucked Denver, it was their rookie head coach who went behind doors to try to trade franchise Quarterback in a snake way to try to acquire "career backup" Matt Cassel, who will crash in burn in Kansas City. (He only benefited from N.E's system of screen passes and dump offs that resulted into intermediate plays, but that's another argument. )

Anyway, I wouldn't buy into that article anyhow, those are just what they are, rumors on this whole deal.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:07 am

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Rockindeano wrote:If I were Denver, I would take Campbell asap, as they are without a legit starting QB. Actually, they still are. Orton is a career back up. Cutler fucked Denver, who fucked Shannahan. I believe it was Quinn who was the deal breaker, not Campbell.


I wouldn't say Cutler fucked Denver, it was their rookie head coach who went behind doors to try to trade franchise Quarterback in a snake way to try to acquire "career backup" Matt Cassel


I completely disagree. It's Cutler's job to impress his coach, not the other way around. So you think Jason Campbell and Brady Quinn should sell their houses and pout like little bitches now? It's a sport and a business for men.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:19 am

Of course Cutler fucked Denver. He pulled a Schon and Cain act, and never answered a single call or text or email. He hung them out to dry. They had no choice but to move him. However he was only being reactive to his new coach.

As for impressing his coach, um, he is a Pro Bowl QB. What the Hell else can he do? He can't play defense!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:21 am

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Rockindeano wrote:If I were Denver, I would take Campbell asap, as they are without a legit starting QB. Actually, they still are. Orton is a career back up. Cutler fucked Denver, who fucked Shannahan. I believe it was Quinn who was the deal breaker, not Campbell.


I wouldn't say Cutler fucked Denver, it was their rookie head coach who went behind doors to try to trade franchise Quarterback in a snake way to try to acquire "career backup" Matt Cassel


I completely disagree. It's Cutler's job to impress his coach, not the other way around. So you think Jason Campbell and Brady Quinn should sell their houses and pout like little bitches now? It's a sport and a business for men.


#1 this isn't about Jason Campbell OR Brady Quinn.

#2. It IS NOT Cutlers job to impress a rookie head coach who's proven NOTHING, ESP when he's trying to trade you and

#3. Jason Campbell isn't considered a hot commodity, and Brady Quinn only has about what? 3 starts in his career? Those two were involved, but were not the main culprit as was Cutler. Cutler has shown something those other two haven't .. the ability to be a franchise Quarterback and that is EXACTLY what he is.

Denver's new coach completely did him wrong, and even though in some case's it's the players responsibility to keep their jobs, you do NOT handle your Quarterback in this way, and it will show when his team suffers because of it. You don't think the players are aware of this back-dooring? Esp from a NEW coach who has proven NOTHING yet?
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:23 am

Rockindeano wrote:Of course Cutler fucked Denver. He pulled a Schon and Cain act, and never answered a single call or text or email. He hung them out to dry. They had no choice but to move him. However he was only being reactive to his new coach.

As for impressing his coach, um, he is a Pro Bowl QB. What the Hell else can he do? He can't play defense!


This was AFTER the fact he found out they were trying to trade him without even telling him, so it was actually Denver and McDaniel's who pulled a Schon, Cain. I don't blame Cutler, why would you want to play for someone who doesn't want you and do that shit behind your back? It would be different to sit him down from the get-go to tell him he was on the trading block.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:25 am

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Rockindeano wrote:If I were Denver, I would take Campbell asap, as they are without a legit starting QB. Actually, they still are. Orton is a career back up. Cutler fucked Denver, who fucked Shannahan. I believe it was Quinn who was the deal breaker, not Campbell.


I wouldn't say Cutler fucked Denver, it was their rookie head coach who went behind doors to try to trade franchise Quarterback in a snake way to try to acquire "career backup" Matt Cassel


I completely disagree. It's Cutler's job to impress his coach, not the other way around. So you think Jason Campbell and Brady Quinn should sell their houses and pout like little bitches now? It's a sport and a business for men.


#1 this isn't about Jason Campbell OR Brady Quinn.

#2. It IS NOT Cutlers job to impress a rookie head coach who's proven NOTHING, ESP when he's trying to trade you and

#3. Jason Campbell isn't considered a hot commodity, and Brady Quinn only has about what? 3 starts in his career? Those two were involved, but were not the main culprit as was Cutler. Cutler has shown something those other two haven't .. the ability to be a franchise Quarterback and that is EXACTLY what he is.

Denver's new coach completely did him wrong, and even though in some case's it's the players responsibility to keep their jobs, you do NOT handle your Quarterback in this way, and it will show when his team suffers because of it. You don't think the players are aware of this back-dooring? Esp from a NEW coach who has proven NOTHING yet?


You think coaches should tell every player when they are involved in trade talks? That's not how the NFL works. Maybe I'm old school, but the mentality behind #2 above is that of a spoiled brat who doesn't appreciate the privilege of playing in the NFL. If I was a new coach and had a player with that attitude I would ship his ass out of town quick. And I bet you would too.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:30 am

Rockindeano wrote:Sounds to me, Denver didn't want Brady Quinn.


Found this:

Citing a Washington source, the report stated that the Broncos were high on Quinn and Bears quarterback Kyle Orton, who wound up being traded to Denver. The Broncos didn’t want Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:31 am

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Rockindeano wrote:If I were Denver, I would take Campbell asap, as they are without a legit starting QB. Actually, they still are. Orton is a career back up. Cutler fucked Denver, who fucked Shannahan. I believe it was Quinn who was the deal breaker, not Campbell.


I wouldn't say Cutler fucked Denver, it was their rookie head coach who went behind doors to try to trade franchise Quarterback in a snake way to try to acquire "career backup" Matt Cassel


I completely disagree. It's Cutler's job to impress his coach, not the other way around. So you think Jason Campbell and Brady Quinn should sell their houses and pout like little bitches now? It's a sport and a business for men.


#1 this isn't about Jason Campbell OR Brady Quinn.

#2. It IS NOT Cutlers job to impress a rookie head coach who's proven NOTHING, ESP when he's trying to trade you and

#3. Jason Campbell isn't considered a hot commodity, and Brady Quinn only has about what? 3 starts in his career? Those two were involved, but were not the main culprit as was Cutler. Cutler has shown something those other two haven't .. the ability to be a franchise Quarterback and that is EXACTLY what he is.

Denver's new coach completely did him wrong, and even though in some case's it's the players responsibility to keep their jobs, you do NOT handle your Quarterback in this way, and it will show when his team suffers because of it. You don't think the players are aware of this back-dooring? Esp from a NEW coach who has proven NOTHING yet?


You think coaches should tell every player when they are involved in trade talks? That's not how the NFL works. Maybe I'm old school, but the mentality behind #2 above is that of a spoiled brat who doesn't appreciate the privilege of playing in the NFL. If I was a new coach and had a player with that attitude I would ship his ass out of town quick. And I bet you would too.


Your Quarterback? Yes, because this is what happens when you don't. I understand where you're coming from, and you can play the "spoiled brat" card all you want, I don't agree with the way a new coach can come in and ship your star Quarterback without even telling the kid, and that's what he is, a KID. Maturity comes with experience, and they gave him no shot to grow. Chicago is a different place, and he needs, and WILL mature in a place like that.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:34 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
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Rockindeano wrote:If I were Denver, I would take Campbell asap, as they are without a legit starting QB. Actually, they still are. Orton is a career back up. Cutler fucked Denver, who fucked Shannahan. I believe it was Quinn who was the deal breaker, not Campbell.


I wouldn't say Cutler fucked Denver, it was their rookie head coach who went behind doors to try to trade franchise Quarterback in a snake way to try to acquire "career backup" Matt Cassel


I completely disagree. It's Cutler's job to impress his coach, not the other way around. So you think Jason Campbell and Brady Quinn should sell their houses and pout like little bitches now? It's a sport and a business for men.


#1 this isn't about Jason Campbell OR Brady Quinn.

#2. It IS NOT Cutlers job to impress a rookie head coach who's proven NOTHING, ESP when he's trying to trade you and

#3. Jason Campbell isn't considered a hot commodity, and Brady Quinn only has about what? 3 starts in his career? Those two were involved, but were not the main culprit as was Cutler. Cutler has shown something those other two haven't .. the ability to be a franchise Quarterback and that is EXACTLY what he is.

Denver's new coach completely did him wrong, and even though in some case's it's the players responsibility to keep their jobs, you do NOT handle your Quarterback in this way, and it will show when his team suffers because of it. You don't think the players are aware of this back-dooring? Esp from a NEW coach who has proven NOTHING yet?


You think coaches should tell every player when they are involved in trade talks? That's not how the NFL works. Maybe I'm old school, but the mentality behind #2 above is that of a spoiled brat who doesn't appreciate the privilege of playing in the NFL. If I was a new coach and had a player with that attitude I would ship his ass out of town quick. And I bet you would too.


Your Quarterback? Yes, because this is what happens when you don't. I understand where you're coming from, and you can play the "spoiled brat" card all you want, I don't agree with the way a new coach can come in and ship your star Quarterback without even telling the kid, and that's what he is, a KID. Maturity comes with experience, and they gave him no shot to grow. Chicago is a different place, and he needs, and WILL mature in a place like that.


OK, let's say McDaniels tells Cutler he is planning on trying to trade him for Cassel. Then the deal never happens. You think Cutler would have just said, "That's OK. Now I will just prove that I am the right man for the job"? Of course not. That's obviously not his nature. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:41 am

In case anyone has forgotten...

In the last three games of 2008, all losses, Cutler threw two touchdown passes and four interceptions. The Broncos had a three-game division lead with three games left and didn't make the playoffs.
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YoungJRNY wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:If I were Denver, I would take Campbell asap, as they are without a legit starting QB. Actually, they still are. Orton is a career back up. Cutler fucked Denver, who fucked Shannahan. I believe it was Quinn who was the deal breaker, not Campbell.


I wouldn't say Cutler fucked Denver, it was their rookie head coach who went behind doors to try to trade franchise Quarterback in a snake way to try to acquire "career backup" Matt Cassel


I completely disagree. It's Cutler's job to impress his coach, not the other way around. So you think Jason Campbell and Brady Quinn should sell their houses and pout like little bitches now? It's a sport and a business for men.


#1 this isn't about Jason Campbell OR Brady Quinn.

#2. It IS NOT Cutlers job to impress a rookie head coach who's proven NOTHING, ESP when he's trying to trade you and

#3. Jason Campbell isn't considered a hot commodity, and Brady Quinn only has about what? 3 starts in his career? Those two were involved, but were not the main culprit as was Cutler. Cutler has shown something those other two haven't .. the ability to be a franchise Quarterback and that is EXACTLY what he is.

Denver's new coach completely did him wrong, and even though in some case's it's the players responsibility to keep their jobs, you do NOT handle your Quarterback in this way, and it will show when his team suffers because of it. You don't think the players are aware of this back-dooring? Esp from a NEW coach who has proven NOTHING yet?


You think coaches should tell every player when they are involved in trade talks? That's not how the NFL works. Maybe I'm old school, but the mentality behind #2 above is that of a spoiled brat who doesn't appreciate the privilege of playing in the NFL. If I was a new coach and had a player with that attitude I would ship his ass out of town quick. And I bet you would too.


Your Quarterback? Yes, because this is what happens when you don't. I understand where you're coming from, and you can play the "spoiled brat" card all you want, I don't agree with the way a new coach can come in and ship your star Quarterback without even telling the kid, and that's what he is, a KID. Maturity comes with experience, and they gave him no shot to grow. Chicago is a different place, and he needs, and WILL mature in a place like that.


OK, let's say McDaniels tells Cutler he is planning on trying to trade him for Cassel. Then the deal never happens. You think Cutler would have just said, "That's OK. Now I will just prove that I am the right man for the job"? Of course not. That's obviously not his nature. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.


At least he came and took it up with his Quarterback first and was being real in the situation. I can't speak for Cutler, but if that was me, being real with me in this situation would show me his true colors, and even know he's telling me he wants to ship me for whatever reason, I know he has enough balls to fill me in, FIRST. Now if the talks fall through, and knowing this guy is real with his players, then I would take the oppurtunity to show this guy I'm the real deal and lets get this thing right.

Whatever the case, this whole what if thing is fantasy. The only thing we know is, McDaniel's tried to trade Cutler without him knowing, and word got back to Cutler who was pissed off and wanted to play for someone who wants him, and in the end, both got their wish, but all this fall out could of been avoided if done properly, and the right way.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:42 am

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Rockindeano wrote:Sounds to me, Denver didn't want Brady Quinn.


Found this:

Citing a Washington source, the report stated that the Broncos were high on Quinn and Bears quarterback Kyle Orton, who wound up being traded to Denver. The Broncos didn’t want Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell.


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