Neal Schon Discusses TBF and Breakup of Band

[SherriBerry]

Pardon?

Herbie said that Perry impressed them? When was this? 1976 or 1996?

In 1996, in the rehearsal going in to TBF. Check my edit on the previous post regarding that - I quoted HH in his 'Castles Burning' interview with Matt Carty.

[Gideon]

:roll:

Now let's hear SP's version of it again. What's Neal GONNA say. Thanks for posting this, although I had read it before.
It's just a matter of who you believe.

Just as side note: How does it make you feel about it, when SP fired Steve Smith, then Smitty not only came back happily for the reunion, and once it was decided that SP wouldn't be in the band anymore, Smitty bailed saying, and I quote" No thanks, a Journey without Steve Perry doesn't interest me".

Now this is a man who was fired and pricked over by SP(and Jon and Neal), yet he comes back and won't go on without SP.

That speaks fucking volumes. That says that Smitty was a true, loyal friend, who felt shitty trying to push someone into major surgery for the sake of putting money in Neal's pockets. That's called integrity and Neal Schon doesn't have a drop of it. He's one of the greatest guitarists of all time. But as he said about SP in one childish interview, I'll say about Neal.................FUCK HIM!

Go keep playing your live tributes to Steve Perry. That's what they are now. What's the percentage of songs in the current set list SP DID sing, compared to the percentage of ones he didn't? Hmm........

I will say this about the whole 'who has been classier' argument, which I think is complete bullshit by the way. If you, as a grown adult, cannot even be mature enough to answer the phone from someone that you had a brilliant working relationship with, and refuse to even speak to that person because they made a business decision with the very business that THEY started...you are so void of any level of class, it's remarkable. I cannot begin to image the level of ego you must possess to think that is acceptable. NS made it very clear that he wanted Perry in the band. But he also said he was tired of sitting around, while watching the Journey 'brand' deteriorate to nothing. If you honestly have to lawyer up, and refuse to communicate to the people who helped make you a millionaire 100 times over...then don't be surprised when people start questioning your 'class'. Cause there isn't enough to even comment on.

What a ridiculous statement! How do you know what has gone down personally between them or why SP has chosen not to speak directly with Neal on the phone? I work with one woman who was married for 20 years whose ex calls her at work when he's drunk and screams at her. If she could block his calls, she would. I'm not saying that is the case here, but I'm sure SP has his reasons - it is his business and you have no basis to judge that.

Sort've makes it hard to bury the hatchet when one party refuses to have anything to do with the other party.

[Gideon]

Pardon?

Herbie said that Perry impressed them? When was this? 1976 or 1996?

In 1996, in the rehearsal going in to TBF.

By showing up or by his singing?

[SherriBerry]

Pardon?

Herbie said that Perry impressed them? When was this? 1976 or 1996?

In 1996, in the rehearsal going in to TBF.

By showing up or by his singing?

HH in 'Castles Burning': "He got to the rehearsal and impressed all those guys, singing the old material".

[SherriBerry]

:roll:

Now let's hear SP's version of it again. What's Neal GONNA say. Thanks for posting this, although I had read it before.
It's just a matter of who you believe.

Just as side note: How does it make you feel about it, when SP fired Steve Smith, then Smitty not only came back happily for the reunion, and once it was decided that SP wouldn't be in the band anymore, Smitty bailed saying, and I quote" No thanks, a Journey without Steve Perry doesn't interest me".

Now this is a man who was fired and pricked over by SP(and Jon and Neal), yet he comes back and won't go on without SP.

That speaks fucking volumes. That says that Smitty was a true, loyal friend, who felt shitty trying to push someone into major surgery for the sake of putting money in Neal's pockets. That's called integrity and Neal Schon doesn't have a drop of it. He's one of the greatest guitarists of all time. But as he said about SP in one childish interview, I'll say about Neal.................FUCK HIM!

Go keep playing your live tributes to Steve Perry. That's what they are now. What's the percentage of songs in the current set list SP DID sing, compared to the percentage of ones he didn't? Hmm........

I will say this about the whole 'who has been classier' argument, which I think is complete bullshit by the way. If you, as a grown adult, cannot even be mature enough to answer the phone from someone that you had a brilliant working relationship with, and refuse to even speak to that person because they made a business decision with the very business that THEY started...you are so void of any level of class, it's remarkable. I cannot begin to image the level of ego you must possess to think that is acceptable. NS made it very clear that he wanted Perry in the band. But he also said he was tired of sitting around, while watching the Journey 'brand' deteriorate to nothing. If you honestly have to lawyer up, and refuse to communicate to the people who helped make you a millionaire 100 times over...then don't be surprised when people start questioning your 'class'. Cause there isn't enough to even comment on.

What a ridiculous statement! How do you know what has gone down personally between them or why SP has chosen not to speak directly with Neal on the phone? I work with one woman who was married for 20 years whose ex calls her at work when he's drunk and screams at her. If she could block his calls, she would. I'm not saying that is the case here, but I'm sure SP has his reasons - it is his business and you have no basis to judge that.

Sort've makes it hard to bury the hatchet when one party refuses to have anything to do with the other party.

I think SP has moved on and for him, there may not be a hatchet to bury. They had a friendly conversation at the the Walk of Fame ceremony, but even then Neal tried to manipulate him on camera to perform later. Sometimes there are people you were really close to at one time in your life who no longer have a place in it.

[Gideon]

:roll:

Now let's hear SP's version of it again. What's Neal GONNA say. Thanks for posting this, although I had read it before.
It's just a matter of who you believe.

Just as side note: How does it make you feel about it, when SP fired Steve Smith, then Smitty not only came back happily for the reunion, and once it was decided that SP wouldn't be in the band anymore, Smitty bailed saying, and I quote" No thanks, a Journey without Steve Perry doesn't interest me".

Now this is a man who was fired and pricked over by SP(and Jon and Neal), yet he comes back and won't go on without SP.

That speaks fucking volumes. That says that Smitty was a true, loyal friend, who felt shitty trying to push someone into major surgery for the sake of putting money in Neal's pockets. That's called integrity and Neal Schon doesn't have a drop of it. He's one of the greatest guitarists of all time. But as he said about SP in one childish interview, I'll say about Neal.................FUCK HIM!

Go keep playing your live tributes to Steve Perry. That's what they are now. What's the percentage of songs in the current set list SP DID sing, compared to the percentage of ones he didn't? Hmm........

I will say this about the whole 'who has been classier' argument, which I think is complete bullshit by the way. If you, as a grown adult, cannot even be mature enough to answer the phone from someone that you had a brilliant working relationship with, and refuse to even speak to that person because they made a business decision with the very business that THEY started...you are so void of any level of class, it's remarkable. I cannot begin to image the level of ego you must possess to think that is acceptable. NS made it very clear that he wanted Perry in the band. But he also said he was tired of sitting around, while watching the Journey 'brand' deteriorate to nothing. If you honestly have to lawyer up, and refuse to communicate to the people who helped make you a millionaire 100 times over...then don't be surprised when people start questioning your 'class'. Cause there isn't enough to even comment on.

What a ridiculous statement! How do you know what has gone down personally between them or why SP has chosen not to speak directly with Neal on the phone? I work with one woman who was married for 20 years whose ex calls her at work when he's drunk and screams at her. If she could block his calls, she would. I'm not saying that is the case here, but I'm sure SP has his reasons - it is his business and you have no basis to judge that.

Sort've makes it hard to bury the hatchet when one party refuses to have anything to do with the other party.

I think SP has moved on and for him, there may not be a hatchet to bury. They had a friendly conversation at the the Walk of Fame ceremony, but even then Neal tried to manipulate him on camera to perform later. Sometimes there are people you were really close to at one time in your life who no longer have a place in it.

Your objectivity is a sight to behold.

Common sense, please: if they were so close to one another and Perry's "moved on" and "there is no hatchet to bury," then why do they have to go through attorneys to even contact one another?

Please. If all's forgiven, if bygones are bygones, if Steve Perry has "moved on"... they'd be in touch. You don't ignore someone, especially a former "brother", unless there's some intense negative feelings in the equation.

[SherriBerry]

:roll:

Now let's hear SP's version of it again. What's Neal GONNA say. Thanks for posting this, although I had read it before.
It's just a matter of who you believe.

Just as side note: How does it make you feel about it, when SP fired Steve Smith, then Smitty not only came back happily for the reunion, and once it was decided that SP wouldn't be in the band anymore, Smitty bailed saying, and I quote" No thanks, a Journey without Steve Perry doesn't interest me".

Now this is a man who was fired and pricked over by SP(and Jon and Neal), yet he comes back and won't go on without SP.

That speaks fucking volumes. That says that Smitty was a true, loyal friend, who felt shitty trying to push someone into major surgery for the sake of putting money in Neal's pockets. That's called integrity and Neal Schon doesn't have a drop of it. He's one of the greatest guitarists of all time. But as he said about SP in one childish interview, I'll say about Neal.................FUCK HIM!

Go keep playing your live tributes to Steve Perry. That's what they are now. What's the percentage of songs in the current set list SP DID sing, compared to the percentage of ones he didn't? Hmm........

I will say this about the whole 'who has been classier' argument, which I think is complete bullshit by the way. If you, as a grown adult, cannot even be mature enough to answer the phone from someone that you had a brilliant working relationship with, and refuse to even speak to that person because they made a business decision with the very business that THEY started...you are so void of any level of class, it's remarkable. I cannot begin to image the level of ego you must possess to think that is acceptable. NS made it very clear that he wanted Perry in the band. But he also said he was tired of sitting around, while watching the Journey 'brand' deteriorate to nothing. If you honestly have to lawyer up, and refuse to communicate to the people who helped make you a millionaire 100 times over...then don't be surprised when people start questioning your 'class'. Cause there isn't enough to even comment on.

What a ridiculous statement! How do you know what has gone down personally between them or why SP has chosen not to speak directly with Neal on the phone? I work with one woman who was married for 20 years whose ex calls her at work when he's drunk and screams at her. If she could block his calls, she would. I'm not saying that is the case here, but I'm sure SP has his reasons - it is his business and you have no basis to judge that.

Sort've makes it hard to bury the hatchet when one party refuses to have anything to do with the other party.

I think SP has moved on and for him, there may not be a hatchet to bury. They had a friendly conversation at the the Walk of Fame ceremony, but even then Neal tried to manipulate him on camera to perform later. Sometimes there are people you were really close to at one time in your life who no longer have a place in it.

Your objectivity is a sight to behold.

Common sense, please: if they were so close to one another and Perry's "moved on" and "there is no hatchet to bury," then why do they have to go through attorneys to even contact one another?

Please. If all's forgiven, if bygones are bygones, if Steve Perry has "moved on"... they'd be in touch. You don't ignore someone, especially a former "brother", unless there's some intense negative feelings in the equation.

Not necessarily. And your reading comprehension is interesting too. Given that I base my opinions on published sources, I daresay I am a lot more objective than most. They were close in the past - they are obviously not close now and perhaps SP does not feel there is anything more to say - no hatchet to bury, but no relationship to continue. Over and in the past with nothing more to say on a personal level.

But as I said in a previous post, which I assume you read, there is no way to know what happens or is said when Neal contacts SP and there are still business issues regarding Journey - so it goes through the lawyers. That doesn't mean SP still has intense negative feelings - it means he doesn't want to deal with Neal for whatever reasons. There were people I was once close to in my life that I no longer wish to deal with either and since there are no business issues, I don't have to deal with them at all. I don't hate them, I'm not angry, but I don't want to bring up the past and there is no future - I've moved on.

Perhaps in another 20 years you'll have gone through some of this and have greater understanding. That's not a dig at your age - there are some things you just have to experience in life and feel for yourself to gain perspective.

[Gideon]

Not necessarily.

Oh? You know another reason why you'd avoid someone besides not liking them?

And your reading comprehension is interesting too.

It's a source of interest for many people and cultivated accordingly; thank you for noticing.

Given that I base my opinions on published sources, I daresay I am a lot more objective than most.

Is that so?

Well, apparently you've forgotten about 98% of "Castles Burning", since it's approximately that percentage that reveals Steve Perry to be the world's reigning champion of assholes.

Unless you're prepared to acknowledge that, I'd suggest that you only use "published sources" to your benefit and to the benefit of spouting Perry apologia.

They were close in the past - they are obviously not close now and perhaps SP does not feel there is anything more to say - no hatchet to bury, but no relationship to continue. Over and in the past with nothing more to say on a personal level.

Again, if all is forgiven, if the past is past, if bygones are bygones, there is no reason for there to not be -- at the very least -- a civil and friendly relationship between them. Having to go through middlemen to get in touch with one another isn't exactly the hallmark of a civil relationship.

But as I said in a previous post, which I assume you read, there is no way to know what happens or is said when Neal contacts SP and there are still business issues regarding Journey - so it goes through the lawyers. That doesn't mean SP still has intense negative feelings - it means he doesn't want to deal with Neal for whatever reasons. There were people I was once close to in my life that I no longer wish to deal with either and since there are no business issues, I don't have to deal with them at all. I don't hate them, I'm not angry, but I don't want to bring up the past and there is no future - I've moved on.

Doesn't seem logical to me. There are people whom I was once close to and am no longer, and so I avoid them. But that's because there is clearly a problem between us; I don't hate this person either, but people don't simply part ways because of nothing. There is always a logical cause and if that relationship is not mended, it's because the cause, however mitigated, is still present on some level.

Perhaps in another 20 years you'll have gone through some of this and have greater understanding. That's not a dig at your age - there are some things you just have to experience in life and feel for yourself to gain perspective.

This isn't the first time I've been accused of "not feeling", but it is the first time that the cause has ever been attributed to my age. What I understand, even at age 17, is logic. And I understand it very well. Logically, there has to be some remaining feelings of negativity for the rift between those two to remain open.

[Red13JoePa]

Well yea perry admittedly was STEAMED at Sony/Columbia maybe the band was part collateral damage in his payback plan to label.

Bullshit. You a loon now, Joe?
Yeah, he was pissed at the label.
Yes, it sucks to have your "solo" career held hostage to another Journey album,
but "vengeance" as a motive is far nobler than what I think drove Perry.

I say it was insecurity over his voice.

Easy, WECH I was just supposing...I don't really believe payback at label was the main motive either.

[FishinMagician]

Not necessarily.

Oh? You know another reason why you'd avoid someone besides not liking them?

And your reading comprehension is interesting too.

It's a source of interest for many people and cultivated accordingly; thank you for noticing.

Given that I base my opinions on published sources, I daresay I am a lot more objective than most.

Is that so?

Well, apparently you've forgotten about 98% of "Castles Burning", since it's approximately that percentage that reveals Steve Perry to be the world's reigning champion of assholes.

Unless you're prepared to acknowledge that, I'd suggest that you only use "published sources" to your benefit and to the benefit of spouting Perry apologia.

They were close in the past - they are obviously not close now and perhaps SP does not feel there is anything more to say - no hatchet to bury, but no relationship to continue. Over and in the past with nothing more to say on a personal level.

Again, if all is forgiven, if the past is past, if bygones are bygones, there is no reason for there to not be -- at the very least -- a civil and friendly relationship between them. Having to go through middlemen to get in touch with one another isn't exactly the hallmark of a civil relationship.

But as I said in a previous post, which I assume you read, there is no way to know what happens or is said when Neal contacts SP and there are still business issues regarding Journey - so it goes through the lawyers. That doesn't mean SP still has intense negative feelings - it means he doesn't want to deal with Neal for whatever reasons. There were people I was once close to in my life that I no longer wish to deal with either and since there are no business issues, I don't have to deal with them at all. I don't hate them, I'm not angry, but I don't want to bring up the past and there is no future - I've moved on.

Doesn't seem logical to me. There are people whom I was once close to and am no longer, and so I avoid them. But that's because there is clearly a problem between us; I don't hate this person either, but people don't simply part ways because of nothing. There is always a logical cause and if that relationship is not mended, it's because the cause, however mitigated, is still present on some level.

Perhaps in another 20 years you'll have gone through some of this and have greater understanding. That's not a dig at your age - there are some things you just have to experience in life and feel for yourself to gain perspective.

This isn't the first time I've been accused of "not feeling", but it is the first time that the cause has ever been attributed to my age. What I understand, even at age 17, is logic. And I understand it very well. Logically, there has to be some remaining feelings of negativity for the rift between those two to remain open.

This is a serious question, I would ask my roomate but I don't want to make him mad, since he is a logic guy too. anyways, my question is what makes you so sure that logic is the method to go by? I know every "group" thinks that their views are the right ones, but what makes you logic fellows sure that yours are correct? do you evaluate your arguments using logic as a guideline? because of course that would confirm it. sorry thats a long question haha. basically, I'm assuming you have questioned logic, and what has led you to believe it is a valid method?

[SherriBerry]

Not necessarily.

Oh? You know another reason why you'd avoid someone besides not liking them?

Gideon, I've already explained this - if you are too limited in your understanding, I can't clarify it for you except to say, you can love someone very much and still find it necessary to avoid them.

And your reading comprehension is interesting too.

It's a source of interest for many people and cultivated accordingly; thank you for noticing.

Your comment is merely silly.

Given that I base my opinions on published sources, I daresay I am a lot more objective than most.

Is that so?

Well, apparently you've forgotten about 98% of "Castles Burning", since it's approximately that percentage that reveals Steve Perry to be the world's reigning champion of assholes.

Unless you're prepared to acknowledge that, I'd suggest that you only use "published sources" to your benefit and to the benefit of spouting Perry apologia.

'Castles Burning' is an interview with Herbie Herbert, so it has an inherently negative bias, but given Herbie's insider knowledge and the fact that his statement regarding SP is positive, there is a greater probability in its veracity. The reference to the interview and that quote was in support of SP's ability to sing and nothing more, nor was greater scope implied. If you cannot understand that or analyze the bias of research material, you have a lot more to learn than you think.

They were close in the past - they are obviously not close now and perhaps SP does not feel there is anything more to say - no hatchet to bury, but no relationship to continue. Over and in the past with nothing more to say on a personal level.

Again, if all is forgiven, if the past is past, if bygones are bygones, there is no reason for there to not be -- at the very least -- a civil and friendly relationship between them. Having to go through middlemen to get in touch with one another isn't exactly the hallmark of a civil relationship.

When they have met in public, they have been civil and friendly.

But as I said in a previous post, which I assume you read, there is no way to know what happens or is said when Neal contacts SP and there are still business issues regarding Journey - so it goes through the lawyers. That doesn't mean SP still has intense negative feelings - it means he doesn't want to deal with Neal for whatever reasons. There were people I was once close to in my life that I no longer wish to deal with either and since there are no business issues, I don't have to deal with them at all. I don't hate them, I'm not angry, but I don't want to bring up the past and there is no future - I've moved on.

Doesn't seem logical to me. There are people whom I was once close to and am no longer, and so I avoid them. But that's because there is clearly a problem between us; I don't hate this person either, but people don't simply part ways because of nothing. There is always a logical cause and if that relationship is not mended, it's because the cause, however mitigated, is still present on some level.

You don't part ways because of nothing, but as time passes, why it ended no longer matters. It's long over and nothing to mend, because there is nothing there. Relationships and emotions are not based in logic.

Perhaps in another 20 years you'll have gone through some of this and have greater understanding. That's not a dig at your age - there are some things you just have to experience in life and feel for yourself to gain perspective.

This isn't the first time I've been accused of "not feeling", but it is the first time that the cause has ever been attributed to my age. What I understand, even at age 17, is logic. And I understand it very well. Logically, there has to be some remaining feelings of negativity for the rift between those two to remain open.

Again with comprehension - I did not accuse you of "not feeling" at all, but a significant passing of years impacts the depth of past relationships and how one perceives them. At 17 you could not have had a decades long friendship that ended, plus the additional perspective of it having been over for another decade and understand how that may influence a person. Logic is limited by understanding.

[brywool]

Horseshit. Unless you can say who the "firsthand accounts" are from, and not Neal or Jon, what you are saying is rumor.

You mean like your inside information Madsplash? Puhlease. The guy was never going to tour, it's a fact.

[Deb]

Again, if all is forgiven, if the past is past, if bygones are bygones, there is no reason for there to not be -- at the very least -- a civil and friendly relationship between them. Having to go through middlemen to get in touch with one another isn't exactly the hallmark of a civil relationship.

When they have met in public, they have been civil and friendly.

Was just going to post the same thing. Giddy, must have been a pretty tiny middleman sandwiched between them here.



When I met him he struck me as treasuring his time in Journey but is pretty much past all the drama that is Journey. I don't really care what any of these guys were like 25 years ago in the height of the Journey insanity, fame probably does crazy things to people. Matters more what they are like today. Perry seemed like quite a happy, likable, down to earth guy.......seems to be pretty ok in his own skin nowadays.

On another note, the talk of Perry screwing over his band mates back then, at least when he/they got rid of Smith and Valory, he admitted it was a mistake and in 86 had the balls to tell the band he was toast and had to quit. Can't say Schon/Cain treated Soto and Augeri any better nowadays that's for sure, especially Soto.

[squirt1]

WOW yrs of posting info that 85% would be deemed inadmissable in court. Some of you guys are worse than woman with gossip and innuendo. St Dan your halo is tarnished! This is getting old and like proving everything written in the bible is exact or believing in old wives tales.

[stevew2]

Again, if all is forgiven, if the past is past, if bygones are bygones, there is no reason for there to not be -- at the very least -- a civil and friendly relationship between them. Having to go through middlemen to get in touch with one another isn't exactly the hallmark of a civil relationship.

When they have met in public, they have been civil and friendly.

Was just going to post the same thing. Giddy, must have been a pretty tiny middleman sandwiched between them here.



When I met him he struck me as treasuring his time in Journey but is pretty much past all the drama that is Journey. I don't really care what any of these guys were like 25 years ago in the height of the Journey insanity, fame probably does crazy things to people. Matters more what they are like today. Perry seemed like quite a happy, likable, down to earth guy.......seems to be pretty ok in his own skin nowadays.

On another note, the talk of Perry screwing over his band mates back then, at least when he/they got rid of Smith and Valory, he admitted it was a mistake and in 86 had the balls to tell the band he was toast and had to quit. Can't say Schon/Cain treated Soto and Augeri any better nowadays that's for sure, especially Soto.

Looks like this kiss of death

[Arianddu]

But I am not going to make anyone a monster, without knowing them personally.

Damn, and I was hoping you'd make me a pair

[Arianddu]

Not necessarily.

Oh? You know another reason why you'd avoid someone besides not liking them?

And your reading comprehension is interesting too.

It's a source of interest for many people and cultivated accordingly; thank you for noticing.

Given that I base my opinions on published sources, I daresay I am a lot more objective than most.

Is that so?

Well, apparently you've forgotten about 98% of "Castles Burning", since it's approximately that percentage that reveals Steve Perry to be the world's reigning champion of assholes.

Unless you're prepared to acknowledge that, I'd suggest that you only use "published sources" to your benefit and to the benefit of spouting Perry apologia.

They were close in the past - they are obviously not close now and perhaps SP does not feel there is anything more to say - no hatchet to bury, but no relationship to continue. Over and in the past with nothing more to say on a personal level.

Again, if all is forgiven, if the past is past, if bygones are bygones, there is no reason for there to not be -- at the very least -- a civil and friendly relationship between them. Having to go through middlemen to get in touch with one another isn't exactly the hallmark of a civil relationship.

But as I said in a previous post, which I assume you read, there is no way to know what happens or is said when Neal contacts SP and there are still business issues regarding Journey - so it goes through the lawyers. That doesn't mean SP still has intense negative feelings - it means he doesn't want to deal with Neal for whatever reasons. There were people I was once close to in my life that I no longer wish to deal with either and since there are no business issues, I don't have to deal with them at all. I don't hate them, I'm not angry, but I don't want to bring up the past and there is no future - I've moved on.

Doesn't seem logical to me. There are people whom I was once close to and am no longer, and so I avoid them. But that's because there is clearly a problem between us; I don't hate this person either, but people don't simply part ways because of nothing. There is always a logical cause and if that relationship is not mended, it's because the cause, however mitigated, is still present on some level.

Perhaps in another 20 years you'll have gone through some of this and have greater understanding. That's not a dig at your age - there are some things you just have to experience in life and feel for yourself to gain perspective.

This isn't the first time I've been accused of "not feeling", but it is the first time that the cause has ever been attributed to my age. What I understand, even at age 17, is logic. And I understand it very well. Logically, there has to be some remaining feelings of negativity for the rift between those two to remain open.

Chill, padawan. Remember the mantra - "Remove stick from arse, THEN sit down at computer."

[wednesday's child]

Well yea perry admittedly was STEAMED at Sony/Columbia maybe the band was part collateral damage in his payback plan to label.

Bullshit. You a loon now, Joe?
Yeah, he was pissed at the label.
Yes, it sucks to have your "solo" career held hostage to another Journey album,
but "vengeance" as a motive is far nobler than what I think drove Perry.

I say it was insecurity over his voice.

Easy, WECH I was just supposing...I don't really believe payback at label was the main motive either.

You had me fuckin' worried there, Chief.

[artist4perry]

But I am not going to make anyone a monster, without knowing them personally.

Damn, and I was hoping you'd make me a pair

With paper and pencil.........anything is possible.........

[cheekymonkey]

Doesn't seem logical to me. There are people whom I was once close to and am no longer, and so I avoid them. But that's because there is clearly a problem between us; I don't hate this person either, but people don't simply part ways because of nothing. There is always a logical cause and if that relationship is not mended, it's because the cause, however mitigated, is still present on some level.

Perhaps in another 20 years you'll have gone through some of this and have greater understanding.  That's not a dig at your age - there are some things you just have to experience in life and feel for yourself to gain perspective.

This isn't the first time I've been accused of "not feeling", but it is the first time that the cause has ever been attributed to my age. What I understand, even at age 17, is logic. And I understand it very well. Logically, there has to be some remaining feelings of negativity for the rift between those two to remain open.


Spock, is that you?
 :D   

[artist4perry]

Doesn't seem logical to me. There are people whom I was once close to and am no longer, and so I avoid them. But that's because there is clearly a problem between us; I don't hate this person either, but people don't simply part ways because of nothing. There is always a logical cause and if that relationship is not mended, it's because the cause, however mitigated, is still present on some level.

Perhaps in another 20 years you'll have gone through some of this and have greater understanding.  That's not a dig at your age - there are some things you just have to experience in life and feel for yourself to gain perspective.

This isn't the first time I've been accused of "not feeling", but it is the first time that the cause has ever been attributed to my age. What I understand, even at age 17, is logic. And I understand it very well. Logically, there has to be some remaining feelings of negativity for the rift between those two to remain open.


Spock, is that you?
 :D   

Funny Cheeky! We need a Spock Av for these logic guys......sometimes life does not follow logic........you have to tie a human factor into it.

Logic and interviews where the editor tries to stir up crap are not mixed. Folks sometimes these interviewers say stuff to get these guys mad and say things they normally would not. Now I am not saying all cases, but it was known in the past that interviewers took things out of context. The Fan Asylum would get inundated with angry letters and the staff would have to tell people hey it was not that way.

And sometimes things are said because hurt feelings are fresh and your mad. I have learned there are always, always two sides to a story. And somewhere in between lies a truth. Only an objective party can say what really happened.

As I said what are musicians.........humans. Not above being hurt, creating a slight, etc...... And I just don't see tallying the wrongs of 5, 10, and 20+ years ago.

We all make mistakes, and we have all hurt someone, either intentionally or not. Can any of you say you have never hurt anyone in your life? Never made a mistake? Your better than me...........I have feet of clay.

[texafana]

"Do you know about the hours and hours of arduous takes it required for Perry sing the simplest of lines on TBF?"

Urban fkin legend until proven otherwise.

[walkslikealady]

Oh, I loved Spock! Seemingly so logical until his human half snuck in! And that's the problem with logic...humans aren't logical, are they?!

Logic tells you one thing but your heart says another.

[walkslikealady]

I still like SP and he still comes across as likable to me in the interviews I've read.

Also, for me, SP's a great showman with a marvelous (though raspy) voice. That video showing the making of a video shows what an actor SP can be. All business until the camera rolls and then he turns "it" on...the bedroom eyes, flirty eyes, and licking his lips, etc.
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[bionic]

What always puzzles me is the band got together and by all accounts Perry's voice was not up to it...o.k understood then why was the band willing to tour if Perry had given the go ahead?

[walkslikealady]

Didn't John Kalendar (sp?) take credit somewhere for getting the original hit-making band together again?

[alesson]

What always puzzles me is the band got together and by all accounts Perry's voice was not up to it...o.k understood then why was the band willing to tour if Perry had given the go ahead?

Guaranteed dollars in gazillion..no other explanation.

Loons or no loons will take it, Anyway they want it..as long as Perry's on board.

Neal was so fuckin pissed that the when Perry agreed to do the album one more time I think he was expecting the tour to come along with it.

But Perry bailed out...and the dollars went KAPUT !! And he have to pay for all those separation and divorces

[jrnyjetster]

madsplash: Steve Perry (can do no wrong) fan.....LET ME ASK YOU THIS.....

Do you think Steve Perry will tour behind his supposed new solo effort...whenever it's released? Will he have big label support?


Seriously though, I'm so over this arguement....it's been what..13 years now for cryin' out loud?!! Journey's doing just fine w/o your friggin' hero!

And for the record, I've always been a Steve Perry fan...just a majorly disappointed one.

[wednesday's child]

And for the record, I've always been a Steve Perry fan...just a majorly disappointed one.

Describes me as well.

[mmberry301]

And for the record, I've always been a Steve Perry fan...just a majorly disappointed one.

Describes me as well.

right there with ya'