The new generation of Journey fans

[journey062393]

Just wanted to tell you about my Journey Friday. I was on my way to school in the middle of the afternoon(to substitute teach for a 6th grade class) and right before i get there I hear Wheel in the Sky on the radio. So far a good day! Then I'm giving these kids a spelling test when quietly i hear one of the girls sing "Just a small town girl....." So I said "what did you just say" and she said "nothing", for fear of getting in trouble. So I asked again, because I was certain she was singing DSB, and the boy next to her said "she was singing DSB.....she always sings DSB". And then another boy across the room said, "yeah we really like that song. We love Journey". So I instantly took out my phone and showed them all my Vegas concert pics and instantly became the coolest teacher ever! Or at least for that day!

So then I'm at a fish fry later that day and there is a radio in the background. I wasn't even paying attention to it, but all of a sudden I hear the opening notes of "After All These Years". So as soon as it starts, the woman serving the fish said " I just love this song". Which of course, started an interesting conversation between us about the last 11 years of the band.

One last thing, about 2 weeks ago, I was volunteering at the school's Mother/Son dance and the last song they played was DSB. A large group of about 10-12 8th grade boys/girls got together in a tight circle and started LOUDLY singing the song. Today's youth is making me proud!

[Deacon]

Wow.

Too bad that the most of the kids at my school are so involved in that shitty rap music. I mean, even the redneck crew!

[weatherman90]

That's really cool! They're way ahead of me - I hadn't really heard of Journey in the 6th grade.

[Monker]

Just wanted to tell you about my Journey Friday. I was on my way to school in the middle of the afternoon(to substitute teach for a 6th grade class) and right before i get there I hear Wheel in the Sky on the radio. So far a good day! Then I'm giving these kids a spelling test when quietly i hear one of the girls sing "Just a small town girl....." So I said "what did you just say" and she said "nothing", for fear of getting in trouble. So I asked again, because I was certain she was singing DSB, and the boy next to her said "she was singing DSB.....she always sings DSB". And then another boy across the room said, "yeah we really like that song. We love Journey". So I instantly took out my phone and showed them all my Vegas concert pics and instantly became the coolest teacher ever! Or at least for that day!

So then I'm at a fish fry later that day and there is a radio in the background. I wasn't even paying attention to it, but all of a sudden I hear the opening notes of "After All These Years". So as soon as it starts, the woman serving the fish said " I just love this song". Which of course, started an interesting conversation between us about the last 11 years of the band.

One last thing, about 2 weeks ago, I was volunteering at the school's Mother/Son dance and the last song they played was DSB. A large group of about 10-12 8th grade boys/girls got together in a tight circle and started LOUDLY singing the song. Today's youth is making me proud!

Well, at least they are not like my kid who sings:

Domo Arigoto, big blob of paydough
His parts come from a can
I made him with my hands
He is a molded man!

[mmberry301]

I'm making sure that my kids and their friends know all about Journey.

Some laugh...some snicker...some like it

[journey062393]

I guess I just find it so amazing because when I was in 6th grade it was 1988-89. So Journey had really peaked a few years earlier than this. Even though they are still around today, its roughly 25 years since their prime, depending on who you ask. So in comparison, it would be like me being in 6th grade, and really being into a band that was popular in early 60's. And i know with the internet and tv and radio being what it is today, its much easier for younger kids to experience many many bands, but i can guarantee you that there wasn't anybody in my 6th grade class who would have been interested in a group from the 60's in 1988. Now today, I really like a lot of bands from the 50's and 60's, but not when I was in the 80's.

[artist4perry]

Just wanted to tell you about my Journey Friday. I was on my way to school in the middle of the afternoon(to substitute teach for a 6th grade class) and right before i get there I hear Wheel in the Sky on the radio. So far a good day! Then I'm giving these kids a spelling test when quietly i hear one of the girls sing "Just a small town girl....." So I said "what did you just say" and she said "nothing", for fear of getting in trouble. So I asked again, because I was certain she was singing DSB, and the boy next to her said "she was singing DSB.....she always sings DSB". And then another boy across the room said, "yeah we really like that song. We love Journey". So I instantly took out my phone and showed them all my Vegas concert pics and instantly became the coolest teacher ever! Or at least for that day!

So then I'm at a fish fry later that day and there is a radio in the background. I wasn't even paying attention to it, but all of a sudden I hear the opening notes of "After All These Years". So as soon as it starts, the woman serving the fish said " I just love this song". Which of course, started an interesting conversation between us about the last 11 years of the band.

One last thing, about 2 weeks ago, I was volunteering at the school's Mother/Son dance and the last song they played was DSB. A large group of about 10-12 8th grade boys/girls got together in a tight circle and started LOUDLY singing the song. Today's youth is making me proud!

Well, at least they are not like my kid who sings:

Domo Arigoto, big blob of paydough
His parts come from a can
I made him with my hands
He is a molded man!

That is funny.......

[jrnyfan@nc.rr.com]

I'm a video production teacher and I had something fun happen this week actually, too.

I do a segment on music videos, and we watch a few quick sample clips from some to identify characteristics. I threw in Wheel in the Sky. Once in a while a kid will identify that as Journey, yes. But in one class this week, I had a shrimpy little 9th grader say, "Hey! That's Steve Perry!" I never would have thought anyone of his age would know the name Perry.

[StoneCold]

Good thread.

As with the Beatles, Stones and Elvis, this band will be remembered for a catalog good enough to cross generational lines.

While REO's Hi Infidelity had songs of this caliber, they failed to continue the momentum which is why few teenagers know who they are.

Pineda's publicity certainly helped but DSB as a flagship song is the entry point for all new fans it seems.

[strangegrey]

Good thread.

As with the Beatles, Stones and Elvis, this band will be remembered for a catalog good enough to cross generational lines.

While REO's Hi Infidelity had songs of this caliber, they failed to continue the momentum which is why few teenagers know who they are.

Pineda's publicity certainly helped but DSB as a flagship song is the entry point for all new fans it seems.

I'll agree with some of this...but lets be realistic here. Pineda is not the reason they're able to reach young fans right now. That's laughable. It's the sopranos, ipods and a healthy dose of good music writen by perry, cain and schlong. The songs are what's bringing the longevity, not the various bands that on most accounts are 3/5 original or less (and that includes REO, Styx and Journey among others)...

The songs are what does it...*not* what sound alikes they have touring....not until you can point to a significant amount of 6th graders at the shows to offset the dwindling mid-aged fan base. It's just not a plausable explanation.

[KDOUBLEU]

My 3 kids all love Journey. It makes me happy that the appreciate good/real music. My daughter and I listen to Journeys Greatest Hits all the time She knows all the words to every song. She does like the Jonas Brothers too though.( I guess it could be alot worse.)

[Saint John]

Good thread.

As with the Beatles, Stones and Elvis, this band will be remembered for a catalog good enough to cross generational lines.

While REO's Hi Infidelity had songs of this caliber, they failed to continue the momentum which is why few teenagers know who they are.

Pineda's publicity certainly helped but DSB as a flagship song is the entry point for all new fans it seems.

I'll agree with some of this...but lets be realistic here. Pineda is not the reason they're able to reach young fans right now. That's laughable. It's the sopranos, ipods and a healthy dose of good music writen by perry, cain and schlong. The songs are what's bringing the longevity, not the various bands that on most accounts are 3/5 original or less (and that includes REO, Styx and Journey among others)...

The songs are what does it...*not* what sound alikes they have touring....not until you can point to a significant amount of 6th graders at the shows to offset the dwindling mid-aged fan base. It's just not a plausable explanation.

Good points, Frank, but let me add something. I think Neal and Co. picking up in 1998 and hitting the road has allowed those "middle-aged fans" the opportunity to bring their kids to shows. I saw Journey with Augeri between 20 and 30 times, 3 shows with Soto and 8 with Pineda so far and it always amazes me how many parents still bring their children along. But you're right, most of the kids that do know the songs know them because of the music they grew up listening to because of their parents. I'd say it's the music first and a combination of The Sopranos, Laguna Beach, ipods, The Simpsons, Monster, etc, and Journey still out there playing their music live, which allows the parent/children concerts to still occur. GH has really exploded in sales over the last decade. That has to be due to, in part, the guys still playing the music live.

[strangegrey]

Good points, Frank, but let me add something. I think Neal and Co. picking up in 1998 and hitting the road has allowed those "middle-aged fans" the opportunity to bring their kids to shows. I saw Journey with Augeri between 20 and 30 times, 3 shows with Soto and 8 with Pineda so far and it always amazes me how many parents still bring their children along. But you're right, most of the kids that do know the songs know them because of the music they grew up listening to because of their parents. I'd say it's the music first and a combination of The Sopranos, Laguna Beach, ipods, The Simpsons, Monster, etc, and Journey still out there playing their music live, which allows the parent/children concerts to still occur. GH has really exploded in sales over the last decade. That has to be due to, in part, the guys still playing the music live.

Good Point (on bringing kids to shows)...but a band doing the small outdoor arena greatest hits circuit NEVER expands its fan base with new young listeners beyond the attrition of older listeners. I can point to every older band out there that has been doing the greatest hits BS...from Chicago to Doobies to Eddie Money. It doesnt work.

A very healthy combination of the above, plus new music, plus a smart public relations/ar group (carefully depositing the music in things like The OC, The Sopranos, etc)...all of those things, combined...helps. But not one thing alone...


It's very important to cut the legs off of the stupid, assinine suggestions that Pineda is this white fucking night that has saved this band from oblivion. The guy could get sent back to Manila tomorrow in a fucking diplomatic bag....and he could get replaced with anyone....and it wouldn't change a thing.

Applying a realist view on this is important....very important. Let's try not to give credit where it's not due...

[StoneCold]

Good thread.

As with the Beatles, Stones and Elvis, this band will be remembered for a catalog good enough to cross generational lines.

While REO's Hi Infidelity had songs of this caliber, they failed to continue the momentum which is why few teenagers know who they are.

Pineda's publicity certainly helped but DSB as a flagship song is the entry point for all new fans it seems.

I'll agree with some of this...but lets be realistic here. Pineda is not the reason they're able to reach young fans right now. That's laughable. It's the sopranos, ipods and a healthy dose of good music writen by perry, cain and schlong. The songs are what's bringing the longevity, not the various bands that on most accounts are 3/5 original or less (and that includes REO, Styx and Journey among others)...

The songs are what does it...*not* what sound alikes they have touring....not until you can point to a significant amount of 6th graders at the shows to offset the dwindling mid-aged fan base. It's just not a plausable explanation.

Pineda as the lead singer may not be the cause but his internet phenom, rags to riches story being bandied about on network TV shouldn't be underestimated.

A friend of mine told me her mom (65+ year old) saw this new singer on CBS morning show and said she liked him ("he sure sounded like the 'old singer'"). Ellen's show is watched by a lot of stay at home mom's with pre-schoolers hanging around.

How many of the other pre-historic bands got any of these plugs? None. REO can't get arrested despite putting out new releases.

The songs do hold up, but without publicity, they're waiting to be discovered.

[strangegrey]

A friend of mine told me her mom (65+ year old) saw this new singer on CBS morning show and said she liked him ("he sure sounded like the 'old singer'"). Ellen's show is watched by a lot of stay at home mom's with pre-schoolers hanging around.

Forgive me, so foolish of me. A friends mom saw him on TV.

That changes everything!
He's really all that and more!



Do you realize how fucking dumb that sounds?

[stevew2]

Just wanted to tell you about my Journey Friday. I was on my way to school in the middle of the afternoon(to substitute teach for a 6th grade class) and right before i get there I hear Wheel in the Sky on the radio. So far a good day! Then I'm giving these kids a spelling test when quietly i hear one of the girls sing "Just a small town girl....." So I said "what did you just say" and she said "nothing", for fear of getting in trouble. So I asked again, because I was certain she was singing DSB, and the boy next to her said "she was singing DSB.....she always sings DSB". And then another boy across the room said, "yeah we really like that song. We love Journey". So I instantly took out my phone and showed them all my Vegas concert pics and instantly became the coolest teacher ever! Or at least for that day!

So then I'm at a fish fry later that day and there is a radio in the background. I wasn't even paying attention to it, but all of a sudden I hear the opening notes of "After All These Years". So as soon as it starts, the woman serving the fish said " I just love this song". Which of course, started an interesting conversation between us about the last 11 years of the band.

One last thing, about 2 weeks ago, I was volunteering at the school's Mother/Son dance and the last song they played was DSB. A large group of about 10-12 8th grade boys/girls got together in a tight circle and started LOUDLY singing the song. Today's youth is making me proud!

Everytime I smell fish, i think of After All These Years

[StoneCold]

A friend of mine told me her mom (65+ year old) saw this new singer on CBS morning show and said she liked him ("he sure sounded like the 'old singer'"). Ellen's show is watched by a lot of stay at home mom's with pre-schoolers hanging around.

Forgive me, so foolish of me. A friends mom saw him on TV.

That changes everything!
He's really all that and more!

Do you realize how fucking dumb that sounds?

Its a random example of publicity getting word of mouth interest rolling. Isn't that what the "publicity" you said is required is supposed to do?

In my original post, credit to Pineda is minimal but the publicity has certainly helped the band. I don't see why you want to keep denying that.

[strangegrey]

Its a random example of publicity getting word of mouth interest rolling. Isn't that what the "publicity" you said is required is supposed to do?

In my original post, credit to Pineda is minimal but the publicity has certainly helped the band. I don't see why you want to keep denying that.

Honestly, I dont think Pineda has helped musically any more or less than Augeri or JSS could have. The shameful act of trying to capitalize on the economics/nationality of this may have resonated with some of the race-bait suceptable out there...but otherwise, musically...no different, one fucking iotta.

He's still just another body trying to emulate what Perry brought to the table....no more or no less.....


I do agree that your original post subdued his contributions...but seriously. I would put the use of DSB in the last Sopranos episode on a FAR higher responsibility to increased awareness to Journey than anything that Pineda has done (or the race-baiting shitbags that tried to parlay this into something more than what it was)....


The guy is a great singer....a nice, humble kid...and he's done a good job emulating perry....but to give him credit that he's out there 'creating' something out of thin air...or doing something magical, beyond compare...and expanding the reach of this band with his voice....eh, that doesn't fly any farther than your average female journey fan.

[jrny84]

Good thread.

As with the Beatles, Stones and Elvis, this band will be remembered for a catalog good enough to cross generational lines.

While REO's Hi Infidelity had songs of this caliber, they failed to continue the momentum which is why few teenagers know who they are.

Pineda's publicity certainly helped but DSB as a flagship song is the entry point for all new fans it seems.

I'll agree with some of this...but lets be realistic here. Pineda is not the reason they're able to reach young fans right now. That's laughable. It's the sopranos, ipods and a healthy dose of good music writen by perry, cain and schlong. The songs are what's bringing the longevity, not the various bands that on most accounts are 3/5 original or less (and that includes REO, Styx and Journey among others)...

The songs are what does it...*not* what sound alikes they have touring....not until you can point to a significant amount of 6th graders at the shows to offset the dwindling mid-aged fan base. It's just not a plausable explanation.

I totally agree, I dont think Journey's increased popularity in the last few years has anything to do with the new singer. Journey has had a huge surge of people recognizing them and using their music in the last few years. The white sox used their song, the sopranos thing, and it seems like more and more people are getting exposed to it. There are alot of people in the film industry and television side of things that are huge fans and are using their music. With all that Journey has found a whole new fan base and that definetly created lots of interest in their new album.

journey062393 I can relate to your experience with seeing young people interested and liking Journey. I used to sub and I was in a computer class where they could listen to music. Well Journey came on the radio and it was like mass excitement! The kids not only knew who they were, they also knew Steve Perry was the original vocalist, and they knew the songs and the words. Its really awesome to see Journey have such a legacy and to reach new people.

[Saint John]

The shameful act of trying to capitalize on the economics/nationality of this may have resonated with some of the race-bait suceptable out there...but otherwise, musically...no different, one fucking iotta.

This is bullshit, Frank. Journey didn't try to capitalize on anything. They took a chance, a fucking very big one. Actually, Neal was the one that demanded Pineda be "the guy." It's pretty well known that Cain wanted Hunsicker. Jeremey would have been the far safer choice. The white guy with perfect diction that looks and sounds far more like Perry than an Asian guy with, at times, an obvious accent. What Journey did could have blown up in their faces very easily. There was no guarantee that Pineda would be accepted. He could have easily been rejected and made Journey the laughing stock of music.

Now I'm not gonna deny that the liberal media didn't take the feel good "rags to riches" story of a guy thousands of miles away in a poverty stricken country and run with it...they did. But people that pay a lot of money at concerts don't give a shit about that. They care about what the guy brings to the stage, and the reviews, cheers, whispers at shows and the words of Ann Wilson and others have been overwhelmingly positive. Whether or not you want to admit it this guy dwarfs Augeri and Soto vocally and has made a far bigger contribution than Augeri ever did or Soto ever would have. The Soto part is part specualtion, but mostly common sense. He didn't sound remotely "Journey." That said, Perry was miles ahead of Pineda and will always be "the voice" of Journey and nothing will ever change that. And Arnel knows this. I just wish his fans would listen to him when he says the exact same thing. He's merely "celebrating the legacy." But he's putting out some pretty good music in the mean time.

[jrny84]

Good thread.

As with the Beatles, Stones and Elvis, this band will be remembered for a catalog good enough to cross generational lines.

While REO's Hi Infidelity had songs of this caliber, they failed to continue the momentum which is why few teenagers know who they are.

Pineda's publicity certainly helped but DSB as a flagship song is the entry point for all new fans it seems.

I'll agree with some of this...but lets be realistic here. Pineda is not the reason they're able to reach young fans right now. That's laughable. It's the sopranos, ipods and a healthy dose of good music writen by perry, cain and schlong. The songs are what's bringing the longevity, not the various bands that on most accounts are 3/5 original or less (and that includes REO, Styx and Journey among others)...

The songs are what does it...*not* what sound alikes they have touring....not until you can point to a significant amount of 6th graders at the shows to offset the dwindling mid-aged fan base. It's just not a plausable explanation.

I totally agree, I dont think Journey's increased popularity in the last few years has anything to do with the new singer. Journey has had a huge surge of people recognizing them and using their music in the last few years. The white sox used their song, the sopranos thing, and it seems like more and more people are getting exposed to it. There are alot of people in the film industry and television side of things that are huge fans and are using their music. With all that Journey has found a whole new fan base and that definetly created lots of interest in their new album. While Arnel Pineda has a great voice, as big as Journey was and is, and how legendary Steve Perry is...Arnel i think will always be looked at as the guy who is imitating Perry "the perry soundalike".

journey062393 I can relate to your experience with seeing young people interested and liking Journey. I used to sub and I was in a computer class where they could listen to music. Well Journey came on the radio and it was like mass excitement! The kids not only knew who they were, they also knew Steve Perry was the original vocalist, and they knew the songs and the words. Its really awesome to see Journey have such a legacy and to reach new people.

[StoneCold]

Honestly, I dont think Pineda has helped musically any more or less than Augeri or JSS could have.

Agreed, its not his "vocal ability" that helped. It's the "we found him on the internet singing in a bar" story.

I do agree that your original post subdued his contributions...but seriously. I would put the use of DSB in the last Sopranos episode on a FAR higher responsibility to increased awareness to Journey than anything that Pineda has done (or the race-baiting shitbags that tried to parlay this into something more than what it was)....

DSB on Sopranos kicked it off, no question. They had dumped JSS and supposedly didn't have a singer yet (timeline's show a thread about Pineda on MR long before JSS was ousted so we know better).

The guy is a great singer....a nice, humble kid...and he's done a good job emulating perry....but to give him credit that he's out there 'creating' something out of thin air...or doing something magical, beyond compare...and expanding the reach of this band with his voice....eh, that doesn't fly any farther than your average female journey fan.

Schon was tired of waiting. He heard Pineda and said "Good enough, let's go". Had they kept searching I believe they could've convinced Jason Kelty to join or maybe found someone like him.

We remember Friga's reservations with Pineda. They're damn lucky Pineda's a likeable guy that had a backstory they could latch onto. Its only the publicity I credit with anything.

He's not Perry re-incarnated and I'll never equate the two.

[Maui Tom]

the six people I turned onto the Journey show talked of two things after the show...Arnel and Neal...in that order...

I promised a couple of the people who went to the show that I would send them some Journey...and they only WANTED Journey with AP...

[Jana]

The shameful act of trying to capitalize on the economics/nationality of this may have resonated with some of the race-bait suceptable out there...but otherwise, musically...no different, one fucking iotta.

This is bullshit, Frank. Journey didn't try to capitalize on anything. They took a chance, a fucking very big one. Actually, Neal was the one that demanded Pineda be "the guy." It's pretty well known that Cain wanted Hunsicker. Jeremey would have been the far safer choice. The white guy with perfect diction that looks and sounds far more like Perry than an Asian guy with, at times, an obvious accent. What Journey did could have blown up in their faces very easily. There was no guarantee that Pineda would be accepted. He could have easily been rejected and made Journey the laughing stock of music.

Now I'm not gonna deny that the liberal media didn't take the feel good "rags to riches" story of a guy thousands of miles away in a poverty stricken country and run with it...they did. But people that pay a lot of money at concerts don't give a shit about that. They care about what the guy brings to the stage, and the reviews, cheers, whispers at shows and the words of Ann Wilson and others have been overwhelmingly positive. Whether or not you want to admit it this guy dwarfs Augeri and Soto vocally and has made a far bigger contribution than Augeri ever did or Soto ever would have. The Soto part is part specualtion, but mostly common sense. He didn't sound remotely "Journey." That said, Perry was miles ahead of Pineda and will always be "the voice" of Journey and nothing will ever change that. And Arnel knows this. I just wish his fans would listen to him when he says the exact same thing. He's merely "celebrating the legacy." But he's putting out some pretty good music in the mean time.

Really great post, Saint John. I agree with absolutely everything you said.

People now say that Neal was genius in hiring Arnel b/c of all the publicity and the Asian connection now for sales. Back then everything I read people were saying he was crazy, that this was the end of Journey. This could have definitely backfired in his face, but he believed in Arnel. He went from the gut and he was right.

And at the concert I went to people were really raving about Arnel's voice and performance. My brother-in-law kept looking at me, who was a singer when he was in his twenties, saying what a voice this guy has and how good he was on the Journey songs. Some concert-goers there mentioned to me they had been disappointed in the last few concerts they had gone to with Journey, but loved Arnel.

Is he Perry? Absolutely not. He doesn't pretend to be better than Perry. But he has a fantastic voice and, to me, is a great fit with Journey. Just watching the Manila videos shows how energized they are and how far he as come with them.

[strangegrey]

The shameful act of trying to capitalize on the economics/nationality of this may have resonated with some of the race-bait suceptable out there...but otherwise, musically...no different, one fucking iotta.

This is bullshit, Frank. Journey didn't try to capitalize on anything. They took a chance, a fucking very big one.

Bullshit Dan. They did their research...they new there was a fan base to tap that wasn't jaded here in the states. If you think they didn't do the market research, you're gullable. It wasn't a chance...it was far more of a sure thing than Hunsicker or anyone else....I'd clean your shoes, you're stepping in it...

[Saint John]

The shameful act of trying to capitalize on the economics/nationality of this may have resonated with some of the race-bait suceptable out there...but otherwise, musically...no different, one fucking iotta.

This is bullshit, Frank. Journey didn't try to capitalize on anything. They took a chance, a fucking very big one.

Bullshit Dan. They did their research...they new there was a fan base to tap that wasn't jaded here in the states. If you think they didn't do the market research, you're gullable. It wasn't a chance...it was far more of a sure thing than Hunsicker or anyone else....I'd clean your shoes, you're stepping in it...

Then why did not one person here ever say that this was a great move...including you? You're Monday morning quarterbacking, dude. And what "market research" are you referring to? The 2-4 thousand Pinoys at each show? Had he been roundly rejected by Journey's mainstream concert audience those people wouldn't have made a damned bit of difference. They took a big chance and you know it.

[S2M]

The shameful act of trying to capitalize on the economics/nationality of this may have resonated with some of the race-bait suceptable out there...but otherwise, musically...no different, one fucking iotta.

This is bullshit, Frank. Journey didn't try to capitalize on anything. They took a chance, a fucking very big one.

Bullshit Dan. They did their research...they new there was a fan base to tap that wasn't jaded here in the states. If you think they didn't do the market research, you're gullable. It wasn't a chance...it was far more of a sure thing than Hunsicker or anyone else....I'd clean your shoes, you're stepping in it...

Then why did not one person here ever say that this was a great move...including you? You're Monday morning quarterbacking, dude. And what "market research" are you referring to? The 2-4 thousand Pinoys at each show? Had he been roundly rejected by Journey's mainstream concert audience those people wouldn't have made a damned bit of difference. They took a big chance and you know it.

A decision's value judgment is independent from the results.....riding over Niagra Falls in a barrel is loopy no matter if you survive or not.....

Hiring Arnel does nothing but give people another reason to go to a journey show.....

[Saint John]

A decision's value judgment is independent from the results

Which is why I pointed out that no one liked the idea or thought it was a great move before he was officially announced.

.....riding over Niagra Falls in a barrel is loopy no matter if you survive or not.....

I disagree. Try it and report back with your findings.

Hiring Arnel does nothing but give people another reason to go to a journey show.....

A new Asian lead singer probably had hoards of people lined up to give him a listen. Give me a break. Had he not been embraced on merit Journey would have been playing nearly empty venues with a few Pinoys there. They're not and that's due to him winning fans over.

[mikemarrs]

i do agree that they were taking a chance with arnel.there was no way in knowing if the audiences here would accept him or not.it was definitely a gamble for the band at that point in time especially coming on the heels of having augeri leave and then the short term thing with JSS.